M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Bloons TD]

And the reason why I suspect Coc's death:

As a killing target, coc is a bad choice for warmongers.
High risk:
First of all, I thought Coc would not be dead so easily because I worship him as a town leader,
that means, if town protective did not protect mayor, then the Coc is the 2nd most likely protected target.

Low Benefit:
Coc is a peaceful.
Assume warmongers are stupid or did not know he is a peaceful.
Coc lead two trains that crushed two towns.
What the actual mud was he a threat other than leading the town and get blamed for?


So, why would warmongers do that?
Most noticeably of Coc's contributing is his list, and reads,
which I had commented one Day ago.
Other than that,
Seriously there was almost nothing else.

So warmongers killed him because of that reading walls.

If his readings were correct, then warmongers would not kill him,
because if it is so accurate that he must die,
then his death would backward indicate his accurate.

I would never expect you two show up so quickly and use his last will to manipulate the game into your own favored end without giving a single suspicion on it.

That is all I want to say.

Temple run, or me, or others,
today we must be carefully.

I hoped you had listened to me yesterday and lynch a lurker instead of that bad wreckage.
But coc was so stubborn and think lynch fall down is better.

If today, this shit happens again, don't say I didn't warn you guys.

[Temple Run]

Lol cut the rope I think scum let you live so that you can help them mislynch me

Seriously, stop tunnel vissioning (the only reason you gave was like because I told you top stop making walls of text?). Give stronger reasons if you fos someone

Also I spent 16 production on wc, fyi

[Bloons TD]

I would support kik, because I have growing suspicion toward QuizUP and Cuttherope right now.

Also if I had logged in fast enough yesterday, I would have supported Kik's angry bird train since Coc said my lynch on pianotile is retarded.

-vote Angry Birds

[Cut the Rope]

Kik, Angry Birds, not happening. It's Temple Run or 2048 period. I'm working on a wall for Temple Run but I posted briefly why earlier. If you're town like I think you are, you will vote Temple Run.


And Bloons, we HAVE to unify. There are 7 townies/8 townies and 1 SK 1 researcher and 7 to lynch. They were likely killed to prevent that unification. They were two of the biggest driving forces for town. We need to put our differences aside and hit inside 2048 and Temple Run and Instagram. One of them HAS to be scum. Since Instagram won't happen it's 2048 and Temple Run and Temple Run is the most likely of the bunch.

[Bloons TD]

I spent 16 production on wc, fyi

Woo mathematically, I did Nazi dat coming.

[Quizup]

Scum on scum violence?

Kik: You know, I actually think everyone on the Fall Down lynch was, and that's why you're bringing it up.

Everyone else: Thoughts on a massclaim?

[Cut the Rope]

Let's hold off til I get my read wall. I want to run it because I want to do it weird Quizup, not just roles. That will enable us to catch more liars. But really this Temple Run should be painfully clear as our strategy.

[Bloons TD]

Kik, Angry Birds, not happening. It's Temple Run or 2048 period. I'm working on a wall for Temple Run but I posted briefly why earlier. If you're town like I think you are, you will vote Temple Run.


And Bloons, we HAVE to unify. There are 7 townies/8 townies and 1 SK 1 researcher and 7 to lynch. They were likely killed to prevent that unification. They were two of the biggest driving forces for town. We need to put our differences aside and hit inside 2048 and Temple Run and Instagram. One of them HAS to be scum. Since Instagram won't happen it's 2048 and Temple Run and Temple Run is the most likely of the bunch.

I might help you because Coc had trusted you too.
Also, I think if coc were alive, he would lynch temple run. -- for not only he pushed a temple train but also he said so in last will.
but just like what kik says, you are not convincing enough.

If coc were alive, then for unification, I might give him a hand if the train is short.
but coc's record of lynching choice is not good. -- seriously he has been wrong for twice, and warmonger must have killed him because the temple run lynch is so painfully predictable.

I want some change, because I'm afraid we are caged already.
Please lynch angry birds,

Angery bird is a risk taker, the only one can officially excuse herself from mislynch.
Distincted from all other voters.

I do not have some red handed evidence against him, but I really don't think anyone should get away from any mislynch that easily with such a personality claim.

[Bloons TD]

Everyone else: Thoughts on a massclaim?

I would not support mass claim for the fuck's sake that there are 5 TPR in the graveyard.
And possible scientist.

Good thing witch is dead, but still.

someone mentioned peaceful would out produce scums and win, day 1.

Was that you?

[Bloons TD]

For progressive discussion.
So far


Agreement:
Temple run was a predictable next lynch target yesterday
Cuttherope claimed TPR and Feedback block.

Dispute:
Purpose warmonger kill coc
WC construction
Mass claim
today's lynch

[Temple Run]

I support massclaim, if we mislynch today we are almost 100% going to lose. Need to hit scum

[Bloons TD]

So do we still need TPR to win? MAss claim means if there are not more than 3 TPR, killers can easily target us.

Mathematically, Mayor + Cut the rope + X + Y, otherwise, it would be wrecked by killing and scientist in two nights.

We need a safe net for at least 3 nights since 5 non town exist,

would peaceful win alone with help of mechanic?

[Kik]

Scum on scum violence?

Kik: You know, I actually think everyone on the Fall Down lynch was, and that's why you're bringing it up.

Everyone else: Thoughts on a massclaim?

Everyone on the Fall Down lynch was... scum? not possible? Town? Possible, but highly unlikely.

The scum want town dead. Why would they miss an opportunity to add votes to ensure a mislynch? Especially with the train switching so many times that close to day's end. They must have wanted to seize the mislynch opportunity and ensure an extra town death.

But you trying to bury this will be noted.

As to the massclaim: bad plan. Scum will just claim citizen and we'll be painting targets on the backs of our remaining PRs.

[Cut the Rope]

Kik it's a bad plan at first. But if we start with reverse feedback half way and then role claim then final feedback we have a mapping. That's the only way I'd support it.

*Continues working on read wall*

[Bloons TD]

even without a scientist, it is hella risk to expose TPR if without critical feedback or something else.

Let me give you guys my most probable role claim list,
Don't comment on it because it might leak your role out.
(also didn't put myself in it)

Warmongers (4)
Words with Friends - Montezuma, Witch (Died Night 2)
Random Mafia Power (Shaka Zulu)
Random Mafia Power (Alexander the Great)
Random Mafia Power (Attila the Hun)

Peaceseekers (14)
SnapChat - Washington, Lookout (Died Night 2)
Fall Down - Elizabeth, Detective (Lynched Day 3)
iFunny - Bismarck, Filibuster (Died Night 2)
Candy Crush Saga
Temple Run
Cut The Rope
4pics1word
Tapatalk - Cleopatra, Cultural (Died Night 1)
-above claim TPR, below claim Peaceful-
Flappy Bird - Kamehameha, Peaceful (Died Night 3)
Angry Birds
2048
QuizUp
Instagram
Clash of Clans - Enrico Dandolo, Peaceful (Died Night 3)
Piano Tiles
Kik

Doomsday Killer (Pacal) *Role name is a homage to Dexter

Fruit Ninja - Researcher (Sejong)

[Quizup]

Everyone on the Fall Down lynch was... scum? not possible? Town? Possible, but highly unlikely.

The scum want town dead. Why would they miss an opportunity to add votes to ensure a mislynch? Especially with the train switching so many times that close to day's end. They must have wanted to seize the mislynch opportunity and ensure an extra town death.

But you trying to bury this will be noted.

As to the massclaim: bad plan. Scum will just claim citizen and we'll be painting targets on the backs of our remaining PRs.

Yeah, they're all town. The answer to your question is obvious: none of the scum team were online.

Why are you voting for angry birds again?

[Bloons TD]

Yeah, they're all town. The answer to your question is obvious: none of the scum team were online.

Why are you voting for angry birds again?

Why don't you support my pianotile train if you knew this all along? =_=?

[Quizup]

Why don't you support my pianotile train if you knew this all along? =_=?

....

What?

[Cut the Rope]

Temple Run is scum case
1) Spending 16 on the production on WC (self-claimed)

a. Rules say only 6 production per night. {Reference: All nations have an additional night ability, constructing International Projects, Wonders, or Buildings with an income of 6 Production every night.}
b. This means that he spent ALL three nights doing some flavor of production on it. The researcher did not give anyone plus 2 happiness or plus 2 production on multiple nights to get to 8 and 8.
c. During Day one Temple Run said EC > World Congress but then spends production night one on Word Congress.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449251
d. This means at the very least anti-town behavior.

2) Being the top contributor to World Congress

a. Again mentioned earlier but being the top contributor to World Congress after not following the plan he mentioned that EC was greater. There is still 2 production missing from that self claimed 16 for 3 nights. It’s unlikely that this two production went anywhere or that this is the right number because then this two percent is wasted.
b. Scum need that extra vote in the end. There’s an alive mayor. More than likely if they kill the mayor tonight using a possible Warmonger and/or protective roles aren’t wasted on the mayor we’re in trouble. If they stop us from majority today there’s two more deaths (if the SK is smart they will kill mafia if they care about self preservation at ALL) and it becomes very likely we will lose.

3) Mathematics

Spoiler : Boring formula shit that no one except me or other math nerds like to read :

a. 19 players posted during the day 1 festivities. There were 4 mafia scum. 9 players posted (confirmably) derpy suggestions.
b. The odds at that point of no scum were 5 percent (I made it 89.7 because of some other items different before)
i. Formula
(FACT(19-4)/FACT(19-4-9))/(FACT(19)/FACT(19-9)*100
1. The *100 is for easy percentages
ii. 15!/6!*(10!/19!) *100 = 5.4179567
c. The odds of no scum in that list were at the start of day 1 95% (approximately)
d. The 9 players were with colors to highlight roles {green = town, yellow = researcher, regular text = unconfirmed}

2048 Yes 120
Vine Many
Fruit Ninja Yes 212
TapATalk Yes 16
Instagram Yes 106
Clash of Clans Yes 15,Many
Temple Run Yes 280
iFunny Yes 324
Candy Crush Saga Yes 327
e. This means due to the Let’s make a deal effect there is a greater than 95% chance of scum in Instagram, Temple Run, and 2048. Instagram is off of most people’s scum reads…so then 2048 or Temple Run safe play.

4) Suggesting Power Roles complete wonders while citizens complete international wonders

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449298
b. Again if Temple Run believed this why the World Congress before EC?
c. This suggestion reads like scum is going to kill power roles so if we have them work on wonders then nothing useful comes out of it.

5) He doesn’t outright refute a peaceful claim but then mentioned that this would make TPR’s easier to find. It’s as if he wants town to provide a reason to make scum's life easier

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449299
b. If they pose it as a question it looks like a refute while giving town more room to hang themselves.

6) Surprised after the Vine flip and the WC wasn’t done. But why wasn’t he surprised Vine was TOWN and why were they so calm about this?

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post450683

7) Suggests that they are in collusion with other players when asking me to make my posts shorter.

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post450754
b. No one should be asking someone to change their meta unless it is ANTI town. My meta is very pro town as I have logical reasons for what I do. If scum deceives me through beating me in logic then they deserve the victory.

8 ) Says it’s obvious why TapATalk was killed due to big posts. I had long posts too. Why did SK AND mafia scum killed the same target? It’s like he doesn’t bother explaining because he knows the answer why scum and/or SK did it.

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post450107

9) Flappy Bird’s read wall – Listen to the dead townies yo!

a. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post450831

In closing, please vote Temple Run.

[Temple Run]

I'll read the rest of your wall soon but for the first point, that's bullshit. I spent 6 on ETC first night, 8 on WC second and another 8 on third

[Temple Run]

Actually the rest of your points makes even less sense

[Cut the Rope]

I'll read the rest of your wall soon but for the first point, that's bullshit. I spent 6 on ETC first night, 8 on WC second and another 8 on third

OMG Stop lying
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post451268

You said 16 production on world congress. Rules say 6 production a night. So you're a liar then a liar now or mods let you break the rules. I'm not even counting the last one as valid.

[Quizup]

Rope: Bad. Anyone who spent 4 or more on EC night 1 has 8 production per night now.

I'm starting the massclaim. Hi, I'm the jailor. I jailed no one on Night 1, because I was an idiot and didn't read my role properly. I have no had an opportunity since.

Everyone should claim in their next post, with all relevant info.

[Cut the Rope]

Actually the rest of your points makes even less sense

Then refute them. I'll give you the production one. I was in a hurry and forgot about the +2 prod because of EC like Quizup mentioned but you are still scumfuck.

[Cut the Rope]

And no I'm not claiming because claiming that way as I have said before is stupid and it's fucking obvious what I am.

[Cut the Rope]

We claim it my way or not at all.

[Quizup]

Rope: Your way requires a level of organization that we do not have. This is the only way.

[Cut the Rope]

Bullshit I have the organization. We do it my way or not at all since I'm the townfirm.

[Cut the Rope]

Let me put it this way. This is we do this right or we are fucked. I'm not letting anyone derail what is a sure thing in Temple Run for anyone else.

I'm not letting anyone enough room to bullshit a peaceful claim. So if we claim we do this to where scumfuck has to put in enough lies to fuck themselves over.

[Quizup]

We. Can't. Do. That.

Half the players aren't even likely to show up toDay and you want to orchestrate a complicated massclaim?

[Cut the Rope]

Yes. We. Can.

The reason being Temple Run is here. If you think we can't do it my way we aren't doing it because there's a damn good possibility you are serial killer or scum. I'm taking control of any mass claim if there is one. Take it or leave it.

[Quizup]

Then do it while we still have time. But you're just going to get nothing done until we run out of time.

[Cut the Rope]

Everyone post your night 4 feedback that is online. If you we do not have enough participation in 1 hour the mass claim will be cancelled as unproductive and/or not enough people willing.

<<No Feedback >>

[Piano Tiles]

Night everyone (at least where i am XP). Just got off work. Seems I have not missed much yet. I should be here now that weekend is here and work has settled down a bit.

@Cut the Rope:

I dunno where your trying to take form this exactly but I will tag along. Nothing happened to me.

[Cut the Rope]

Piano Tiles -- It's good you can't see where it is going. This means that most everyone else won't either and can't fake it. I'll explain why this catches scum after the game.


Quite honestly this is so fucking simple. The TOWNIES agreed Temple Run was the lynch the conf townie is saying Temple Run is the lynch. The fact we are discussing anyone else after the World Congress flip boggles my fucking mind.

[Quizup]

No feedback.

[Cut the Rope]

No feedback or nothing happened to you Quizup?

[Quizup]

Temple Run, we can see you viewing the thread. Come on man. :/

Rope: I got one happiness. That would be the extent of my feedback.

[Temple Run]

4. Peaceful complete internationals while tpr spend most on wonder, obvious enough

5. Don't really understand
6. I was surprised that vine flipped town, what else is there to say?
7. Lol
8. Because tapatalk's walls of text actually seemed protown instead of 3 paragraphs of shit reads

[Cut the Rope]

I'm being anal retentive for a reason Quizup. Are you 100% certain there were no other words sentences or anything else in the PM?

[Temple Run]

Temple Run, we can see you viewing the thread. Come on man. :/

Rope: I got one happiness. That would be the extent of my feedback.

Viewing doesn't mean I'm on my computer, and what do you want me to do?

[Quizup]

I'm being anal retentive for a reason Quizup. Are you 100% certain there were no other words sentences or anything else in the PM?

My total happiness was the extent of my feedback. This is irritating.

[Quizup]

Viewing doesn't mean I'm on my computer, and what do you want me to do?

Claim feedback from last Night and possibly role.

[Temple Run]

Didn't see you claimed your role

I'm peaceful, nothing has happened

[Cut the Rope]

4. Peaceful complete internationals while tpr spend most on wonder, obvious enough

5. Don't really understand
6. I was surprised that vine flipped town, what else is there to say?
7. Lol
8. Because tapatalk's walls of text actually seemed protown instead of 3 paragraphs of shit reads

Not going to refute 2 and 3 and yet no vote on 2048...Wow...*facepalms*
4. Not obvious -- It's what scum fucking wants. If it was obvious nearly every wonder here would be completed instead only one.
5. Then ask what you don't understand.
6. No you put surprised peaceful. Not surprised town. And there was no emotion or anything behind it. It's in what ISN'T there
7. LOL doesn't make it not true.
8. My shit was so protown TapATalk fucking knew it. That's bullshit.

Quizup

Then Fruit Ninja is a liar with X= 0 and I wasn't scientisted. This means he's a fucker and worked against win con and now we have to work on the possibility of three scum not just two. Fruit Ninja has officially claimed he wants to win with scum. You are voting for BloonsTD and so is he. Come with me to Temple Run.

The other option is that you are a liar and are serial killer or scum. So vote move please

[Cut the Rope]

worked against our win con*

[Cut the Rope]

Didn't see you claimed your role

I'm peaceful, nothing has happened

Cmon now...Nothing has happened how? Be specific...and yes I'm being annoying for a reason.

[Quizup]

Rope, dear, I claimed a confirmable role.

[Temple Run]

Not going to refute 2 and 3 and yet no vote on 2048...Wow...*facepalms*
4. Not obvious -- It's what scum fucking wants. If it was obvious nearly every wonder here would be completed instead only one.
5. Then ask what you don't understand.
6. No you put surprised peaceful. Not surprised town. And there was no emotion or anything behind it. It's in what ISN'T there
7. LOL doesn't make it not true.
8. My shit was so protown TapATalk fucking knew it. That's bullshit.

Quizup

Then Fruit Ninja is a liar with X= 0 and I wasn't scientisted. This means he's a fucker and worked against win con and now we have to work on the possibility of three scum not just two. Fruit Ninja has officially claimed he wants to win with scum. You are voting for BloonsTD and so is he. Come with me to Temple Run.

The other option is that you are a liar and are serial killer or scum. So vote move please

Is your shit so protown that you have found 0 scum? I remember you were also the one leading the train against vine

[Cut the Rope]

Not in the time we have you'd have to die for it to be plausible. With three scum very likely this is possible mislynch or endgame. You could have claimed a mod firm role and the only way I'd be able to prove it in time. So no...Your vote to Temple Run or you are a potential townie associating with a known Researcher that is trying to screw over town which might as well make you scum for the level of derp you'd have to have to work with Fruit Ninja after he feedblocked you.