S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

[FM-ohno]

Well, I dont know what is going on with Purple, given the Lie Detector result was incorrect. It is clear no one is going to hammer Purple today, and frankly the presence of Triad with that Kitty flip gives some points to Purple's alleged N1 check of "Triad" on Incon. But there are still plenty of red flags around Purple slot: waiting so long to change "not town" to actually "Triad", incorrect LD result on me, pressuring me to say "Im town." in a single post. The one thing that was curious to me and what I don't understand yet is why would Purple lie about me, given that I know my flip will be Town (maybe they also have a death tailor like what was given to Kitty by SOMETHING). Or maybe Purple is town after all and this is BASTARD and I dont know why LD failed.

The kitty flip tells us that Triad has the ability to investigate for Mafia. I expect the same on the other side. I expect Purple to be Mafia here whose faction (not necessarily he himself) detected Triad in Incon, if Incon indeed flips as Triad. Mafia<>Triad stuff may be inverted as questions still remain over DU inversion and SOMETHING's survival. With that said, since I don't think there will be a consensus to lynch Purple today, I am fine with Incon given the developments today. If Incon doesn't flip Triad, then we will have more questions tomorrow.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

Sorry, Comrade. Also, I still don't understand how Incon can be Triad, if Kitty's flip there listed out the role of Lover that reads as a 3P and not Triad/Mafia.

Roles are aligment AGNOSTIC. They will be given a RANDOM aligment regardless of sound

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

Is there an explanation for why Kitty did not utilize disguise to modify their alignment in the flip? If I understood correctly, SOMETHING granted them the disguise ability? Why is SOMETHING alive if they got the Mafia prediction wrong? Or maybe Kitty is actually Mafia but inversion flipped it to Triad and Triad's list of factional abilities?

I said this about it earlier

Spoiler : Quote :

Their Flip
Alignment: Triad
Role: The PQ Maneuver

Whoever took that shot may want to claim it. It certainly reflects that person is not Triad alignment scum.

Also, Its something claimed they had to guess Kittys alignment right or die and it appears they guessed wrong. That is an issue. Maybe WvW situation there. It really bothered me that Its Something was unwilling to talk about their reasoning (I still think they should especially given they got the alignment wrong)


Also a potential that my parasite messed with that if it inverts investigative results. The Triad would be the inverse of the Mafia but its a weird thing to call investigative. Something we should certainly keep an eye on moving forward regardless.

At least now we can be relatively certain we do not have neutral madness and aligned indicators will absolutely matter. Im going to try to Iso Kitty for alignment indicators before the days end but have quite a bit going on. That and the way the train on them was forming can give a bit.

Very valid point though.

I can not really think of a reason a mafia would disguise into Triad. Even if the team had some sort of Day Tailor function and it was used to make Its Something look bad swapping to Triad does not make sense. It would look worse if they flipped town.

@FM-Its SOMETHING
When you have time I feel like you should still explain your reasoning for being so sure about their alignment you risked your life to get the check. Also why you thought Mafia instead of Triad when Triad was what was being discussed in the thread yesterday.

And anything you could see that would explain the flip with you still being alive.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

I don't want to be "that" guy but a certain someone's mention of Triad D1, although could be harmless, may have been a true slip. It is evident that we have both Mafia and Triad, and they knew from the start of each others' existence because of that Criminal Network ability.

Who is "that certain someone"? Give us a quote, a post link, or a post number. Go on, explain yourself.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

-vote FM-Earless Artiste

Doing my usual self-preservation vote with the expectation that if town lynches Incon, I might be able to pull off one last thing with the new painting and my other ability before dying.

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

Being completely honest, I have no motivation to read all these pages.
I did skim the posts I was tagged in though. Nice shot, whoever that was.

[FM-Myopia]

I care about town winning, and my role is extremely versatile to aide us in this mission.

Knowing now that you faked the later lie detector test on me makes me even more convinced that your "check" on Inconspicuous was a gambit. I said it before, I will say it again, it is good odds that a Lover (especially after a town Lovestruck has flipped in Eyes) is not town. I could have made that same "not town" check on Inconspicuous and it would be right probably 70% of the time. In your position, which I expect to be part of a multi-player scum faction, it is an even higher percentage when you know that Incons is not your teammate and is therefore not the heartbreaker on your team.

F off with the teaching lessons, you know I am town and I know that you are not. Now you are acting all powerful because you have managed to get many votes on me and you are the one misleading town. I am leading, you are misleading. The reason you want me gone is precisely because you know I am a threat to your scum team. And yeah, we should have gotten you killed, my mistake in those last 30 mins having second thoughts on Eyes. I will take that as a mistake and a lesson.

Mr Bones is an obvious neutral frog. I actually took the time to watch gameplay on youtube lol, it's a silly game with apples and insects and such. Even his win con is spelled out. Get the hell outta here with your scumreads on Mr Bones. Oh, right, I must be pocketing him. I am not content with either Incons or Bones getting lynched, for they are neutrals and the much bigger threat to town is YOU! oh no!

Di u even understand mafia basics?
Nnnnnneutrals are the ones that give the final hit on.lylo
Also frog could perfextly well be an evil 3p like scum aligne

[FM-Tesseract]

Maybe

Just hear me out here

Maybe it's because

And I know this is crazy

Roles are alignment agnostic

Uhhh I need to quit being so stubborn. You are actually right, I just re-read the hidden info and it was kind of confusing to read it first time because it goes like "the player" "their lover (referring not to Lover role but to their partner/lover)". I think you are correct actually. I think in this context, where it says "If the player is Mafia" I now read it as "If Lover role holder is aligned to Mafia[or perhaps Triad in this case] and their garget (not the Lover role) dies then ..."

Okay, I am feeling better about lynching Incon now. It will at least tell me if Purple is legit, but don't forget the possibility that he could be Mafia, as it is likely Mafia has the same Criminal Network ability that Triad does.

Hidden Info:
If your lover dies before you do, you will not die. Instead, you will become a vengeful lover, and will turn against the alignment who killed your lover.

If the player is town, and their lover was killed by the mafia or a third party, their alignment will change to a townsided third party, the only difference being that they will check as third party by cops and other investigative roles.

If the player is town and their lover is killed by the town (this included town KP and the elimination), their wincon will change to mafia's, and they will be given access to the Mafia chat.

If the player is Mafia and their lover is killed by the town, their alignment will change to a mafiasided third party; they will maintain their wincon and will stay in the groupscum chat but will investigate as a third party.

If the player is mafia and their Lover is killed by mafia, they will leave the mafia's chat but maintain their wincon.

if the player is third party and their lover is killed by town or mafia, host may decide what happens.
such a cute lil guy, he could never betray his alignment

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

lol epic formatting fail on my ISO. oh well

[FM-Is that a leaf]

?KRC M-FM Edition

A shot was fired at FM-Kitty Cat Dance!

The shot hit and killed FM-Kitty Cat Dance!

Their Flip

Spoiler : Flip : Alignment: Triad Role: The PQ Maneuver Factional Abilities: Factional Communication You share a permanent (day and night) factional chat with all other members of the Triad. Role Cop The triad may assign a member to visit another player to determine their role, but not their alignment. This factional action may be multitasked with role actions, but may not be multitasked with other factional actions. Kill The triad may assign a member to visit another player to kill them. This factional action may be multitasked with role actions, but may not be multitasked with other factional actions. Criminal Network The triad may assign a member to visit another player to determine if they are a member of the mafia. This factional action may be multitasked with role actions, but may not be multitasked with other factional actions. Win Condition: The Triad is an anti-town faction. The Triad wins if any day begins with all of the following conditions met, or nothing can stop this from happening: - There is at least one triad alive - There are no other anti-town factions alive - The triad consists of 50% or more of the living players Rolecard: Introduction PQ (AKA PQRnHack; August 7th, 2014 - Present), born into an aristocratic Prussian family with a long history spamming. He is the son of Kaiser Erich von Paopan VII and Archduchess Maria Antonia SuperJack Josepha and is the sole heir apparent to the spam throne of Spamziland. PQ joined the KRC (Code: S-FM 339) at a young age of 7 despite his hereditary condition known as Tourette’s Syndrome and saw service on Once Upon a Time, Politico, and Deck Mafia 008. During free time, he used his fair share of time practicing for being flatulist. Historically, despite his performance during his service in Deck 008, the paramount leaders denied him distinguished service cross and it causes him to be more mentally unstable and his Tourette’s are getting more and more out of hand. Now, during at KRC. The king gives him this following condition to keep his sanity and decency. Will PQ succumb to his weakness and give the wolves a win? or will PQ keep your sanity and strategize how many he will post? Role Information During the day, the number of your accumulated post will determine what item you will receive at night 11-20 post -> Sarin Gas + Gas Mask(N) 21-30 post -> Candy Van (D/N) 31-40 post -> Gavel (D) 41-50 post -> Signal Jammer(D) 51-60 post -> Lantern (N) 51-60 post -> Laptop (N) 61-70 post -> Bonker Hammer (N) 71-80 post -> Tape (N) 81-90 post -> Chocolate (N) 91-inf post -> PQ MANEUVER (N) Legend: (N) - Night use | (D) - Day use Note: Items can be stored Items are for single use only Post count does not stack, resets to zero (0) every SoD Item Descriptions Sarin Gas + Gas Mask(N) Everyone visiting the targeting slot will be poisoned (will die on the following EoD) - if the targeted player visited another house, he won't be affected, you also won’t be due to the gas mask Candy Van (D/N) May choose between 1-3 players to kidnap. Kidnapped players are immune to NK and are given a candy on EoN (Candy: Swells the throat of the kidnapped players, publicly reducing their post cap to 25) Gavel (D) The number of votes to hammer is multiplied by 60% and rounded up. (e.g 22 players = 12 votes to hammer. 12 * 0.6 = 7.2, therefore 8 votes to hammer after the Gavel is used) This change is announced publicly, although you are not announced to be the one that made the change. If the change puts a player over the hammer threshold, then the day immediately ends. Signal Jammer(D) Can make all forms of night chat disabled on the following night only Lantern (N) Can place a lantern on someone's slot during the night and the host will reveal all players visiting the said slots the following day Laptop (N) Choose a player and the host will send you 1/2 (by character length) of the specified players last will the following day (first 1/2 or last 1/2 depends on host RNG) Bonker Hammer (N) Item that can be used to turn someone into an amnesiac. All of: the user of this item, the target of this item, and the role the target remembers as will be publicly announced in the thread. Tape (N) Can tape players (max. of 2 players per use) and give them a post cap of 30 on the following day. They will be notified by the host privately and should not disclose this on public. If they violated the said rules, they are subjected for a mod kill Chocolate (N) Slots who are given a chocolate will cause them to fall in love with you (If the giver dies, the receiver dies as well. But if the receiver dies, the giver won't die) Special Mechanics: PQ MANEUVER If you managed to post 91+ post within a single day. All players visiting you will acquire random items. Limited Supply Most items may only be obtained at most twice: once by yourself, and once by a visitor. The Gavel and the Bonker Hammer may only be obtained once in total. If your post count matches a bracket for which you've already received the item, you receive nothing. If you execute the PQ Maneuver but have no items left to give, visitors get nothing.

Their Edited Role Submission

Spoiler : Flip : Role: Lover Rolecard: You are in love with [x] and share a chat with them. If your lover dies, you will die and vice versa. Hidden Info: If your lover dies before you do, you will not die. Instead, you will become a vengeful lover, and will turn against the alignment who killed your lover. If the player is town, and their lover was killed by the mafia or a third party, their alignment will change to a townsided third party, the only difference being that they will check as third party by cops and other investigative roles. If the player is town and their lover is killed by the town (this included town KP and the elimination), their wincon will change to mafia's, and they will be given access to the Mafia chat. If the player is Mafia and their lover is killed by the town, their alignment will change to a mafiasided third party; they will maintain their wincon and will stay in the groupscum chat but will investigate as a third party. If the player is mafia and their Lover is killed by mafia, they will leave the mafia's chat but maintain their wincon. if the player is third party and their lover is killed by town or mafia, host may decide what happens. such a cute lil guy, he could never betray his alignment Their role's picture will change based on what happens:

The original post has also been updated.

Oh... Oh. Okay. That makes no sense. At all. Triad is not Mafia, and tailoring yourself as triad is entirely ridiculous, even as scum (you should just tailor yourself as town to confuse people). SOMETHING is wrong with SOMETHING

[FM-Tesseract]

Who is "that certain someone"? Give us a quote, a post link, or a post number. Go on, explain yourself.

Someone whose posts I am no longer reading or responding to. Go figure it out, it is not complicated. Sorry that you might be dying after Incon goes. I thought and still think that you are Town. Not much to do if you are coupled with an alleged Triad-aligned Lover.

[FM-Blue Beard]

Sooo ITS SOMETHING is confirmed?

[FM-Forsaken Bones]

Who is "that certain someone"? Give us a quote, a post link, or a post number. Go on, explain yourself.

Probably Myopia. I mentioned this before Tesseract did, but it must have gotten lost in a sea of spam.

[FM-Myopia]

I know that you faked the whole thing and you must be doing an all-in strategy here, either due to flip manipulation or due to disguise tactics. I don't blame you, since ya'll failed to get a kill last night and you know I will keep roleblocking if alive.

You are paired with ohno, I am sure. I need to do more homework to figure out where leaf, kitty, and Myopic fit in.

But it's funny because I know the reason you are asking such questions is just for show "to the town" as you are blatantly lying, scumboi. You are good at being aggressive. In part, probably because ohno is not going to carry your ship.

Wasnt i town to u like 20 psosts ago
What a shtsjow this is

[FM-Myopia]

I know that you faked the whole thing and you must be doing an all-in strategy here, either due to flip manipulation or due to disguise tactics. I don't blame you, since ya'll failed to get a kill last night and you know I will keep roleblocking if alive.

You are paired with ohno, I am sure. I need to do more homework to figure out where leaf, kitty, and Myopic fit in.

But it's funny because I know the reason you are asking such questions is just for show "to the town" as you are blatantly lying, scumboi. You are good at being aggressive. In part, probably because ohno is not going to carry your ship.

Also
My name is fuccing myopiA
not myopiC
Substantive
Not adjective

[FM-Myopia]

I entertained TvT earlier, and the only ways this could be TvT is if I got framed or if his supposed lie detector ability does not truly work around my Miller effect. I don't believe either, because framing should not affect lie detector test and because Purple was adamant that their supposed lie detector is not affected by Miller. And Purple triple-downed on me, so I am confident this is an all-in move to bury the important town role that I am.

Hey @FM-Purple scumbag, how did you so quickly find out that your Lie Detector was not impacted by Miller? You had all your answers prepped in advance, huh?

Importnat town role that i am
Roflol
Coughcopter
I cant

[FM-Myopia]

What a great town role cluttering themselfes and making others spam

[FM-Myopia]

Ok so Inconspicuous Man is your partner.

Here is some info that I had left out today.

Inconspicuous Man is from the Triad Faction

Triad?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
Wtf is this a scumslip
Omfg i said triad at the start of game
"Chuckles im in danger "

[FM-Tesseract]

Hey it was nice knowing most of ya'll. In the event my LW doesn't come through for whatever reasons, I went to heal Dark Unicorn and to roleblock ohno n1. But given Comrade allegedly tried to copy an ability and got no feedback, it may be that I got perfectly roleblocked and was also unvisitable. That's the only explanation I can come up with.

Town, please do not forget that Triad flip on Kitty stated they had a factional ability to check if a player is Mafia. Mafia probably has a similar one to check if a player is Triad. So take investigative results with some reservation.

Need eyes on:
Purple (in case Mafia, who used Criminal Network on Incon, provided Incon actually flips Triad; Lie Detect result on me was not correct)
Is that a leaf
ohno
Dark Unicorn
Earless Artiste

I don't think the remaining 4 hours are needed, so enjoy my last double vote there and let's hope Incon indeed flips scum. Press F for Comrade if they die as a result.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

Внимание, ребята!

I have asked a couple questions to Lag about my role.

Question 1. If Lover gets lynched today, could I do my night actions before I die of heartbreak?
The answer, unfortunately, is NO.

Question 2. If I purchase a painting, will that prevent me from being roleblocked?
The answer, semi-fortunately but also semi-unfortunately, is YES.
It is fortunate because that means I can vote anyone I want. So I never needed to vote Earless Artiste.
It is also unfortnate because that meant that all the headache I caused at the EoD1 regarding the tiebreaker was all for nothing, because I had purchased a painting on Day 1, meaning I could have voted Myopia, and therefore come into Night 1 and Day 2 with a much more clearer view of things and less misplays.
The fault is squarely mine for not understanding my own rolecard well enough.

Now what does that mean?
That means that, for one, I still suspect Purple more than Tess, so up he goes.

-vote FM-Purple

This also means that voting Inconspicious will guarantee that me, a town role with two potentially powerful abilities for finding and stopping the scum: an ability-copy and a one-time roleblock, will have no chance to use them before I die of heartbreak.

Say it with me....
...Say it with me!
Voting Inconspicious today is a mistake!

[FM-Myopia]

Im so happy with my night actions

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

To repeat, Tesseract has no night action, b/c I tried to copy his night action and got nothing.

To also repeat, Purple has asked questions to Kitty that allowed him to try and misdirect suspicion on him onto SOMETHING. A behavior that Dark Unicorn refused to condemn despite condemning similar behavior from less contentious people. Confused on my reasoning? Read this fucking shit: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post961753

[FM-Myopia]

My role says it cannot be influenced by any other role mechanics. I do read the roles, I'm a mechanic player I love roles, when I get my role is like opening a Christmas gift and I read it and analyze it and prepare to play with it.

I've been majorly busy so I can't be as influential in the thread as I used to be when I didn't work, like today, this activity you see? This was my normal activity for every day phase, but work takes priority now.

I like your midnset towrads the role
reminds me of meyself

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Well things just got interesting. Apparently we are dealing with both Mafia and Triad factions. Not surprising to see Kitty as scum, they were one of the people voting me (in addition to ohno, Purple, leaf, blue beard last time I checked yesterday).

I have a few pages of catching up, which I may or may not have time get to before EOD. Purple's Triad check on Inconspicuous, if it is true, may be a Mafia's factional ability to check if the player is Triad (the equivalent of Criminal Network above). So keep in mind that Purple may very well be Mafia who found a Triad, if that is what Incons flips. What doesn't quite make sense though is that I thought Incons is lover, and we just got a Lover role in the Kitty flip and it reads like a 3P neutral unless their lover dies.

Things that still do not add up:

• I visited DU and ohno n1 (got no feedback), yet Father stated that no one visited 2 different players.
• Comrade claims they went to steal an ability from me, yet they got no feedback and I do have two night-time abilities (heal, roleblock).
• Purple claims that I failed Lie Detector test, while I know that I did not.

Considering that the Lover role specifies some hidden info, it is possible that some of the inconsistencies that exist are due to hidden information we don't know about ourselves. For all I know, maybe my heal and roleblock are not real abilities and in reality I did nothing?

Ohhhhh, well that (criminal network) is an interesting ability. It explains why Kitty was scumhunting earlier, too.

And yeah, considering the Triad check on Inconspicuous, he is the most confirmed scum here. You are not off the hook, but this is simply better

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

[FM-Tesseract]

Внимание, ребята!

I have asked a couple questions to Lag about my role.

Question 1. If Lover gets lynched today, could I do my night actions before I die of heartbreak?
The answer, unfortunately, is NO.

Question 2. If I purchase a painting, will that prevent me from being roleblocked?
The answer, semi-fortunately but also semi-unfortunately, is YES.
It is fortunate because that means I can vote anyone I want. So I never needed to vote Earless Artiste.
It is also unfortnate because that meant that all the headache I caused at the EoD1 regarding the tiebreaker was all for nothing, because I had purchased a painting on Day 1, meaning I could have voted Myopia, and therefore come into Night 1 and Day 2 with a much more clearer view of things and less misplays.
The fault is squarely mine for not understanding my own rolecard well enough.

Now what does that mean?
That means that, for one, I still suspect Purple more than Tess, so up he goes.

-vote FM-Purple

This also means that voting Inconspicious will guarantee that me, a town role with two potentially powerful abilities for finding and stopping the scum: an ability-copy and a one-time roleblock, will have no chance to use them before I die of heartbreak.

Say it with me....
...Say it with me!
Voting Inconspicious today is a mistake!

Eh, to be honest I dont know what to believe at this point. Why would Purple lie about lie detector though, that part I do not understand. How would he get out of it when I flipped town? Actually now that I asked this, I remember he made some post that was like "unless" some kind of bastard mechanic. Anyway i really gotta go now, meeting in 4 minutes. Here, I will put my vote back, but it doesn't look like this is happening today.

Also one thing that needs to be considered: if Purple is Mafia and is cleaning up the Triad competition, what is the optimal strategy for town? Maybe it's OK for town to eliminate ALL the triads and call it good and remove their factionals for good. On the other hand, we will then need to zero in on the mafias and eliminate then in a decent succession. Keeping Maf+Triad both alive means they might take care of one another to some extent. Anyways, gotta go.

-vote FM-Purple

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

FM-Purple (2 [L-9]):
FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Comrade PickleRadish

FM-Tesseract (4 [L-7]):
FM-CBI Agent, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Forsaken Bones, FM-Blue Beard

FM-Inconspicuous Man (9 [L-2]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Purple, FM-ohno, FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Earless Artiste, FM-Tesseract (Mayor), FM-Demonic TP, FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Kitty Cat Dance (3 [L-8]):
FM-Father and Sun, FM-Mr Pain, FM-Its SOMETHING

FM-Dark Unicorn (1 [L-10]):
FM-Mr Bones

To repeat, if Incon the Lover is lynched, I won't be able to do ANY night actions before I die.

@FM-Father and Sun
@FM-Its SOMETHING
@FM-Mr Pain
don't forget to change your vote from Kitty Cat Dance to Purple, Tesseract, or Dark Unicorn. KCD was shot in the middle of the day and flipped triad.

@FM-Earless Artiste
@FM-Purple
@FM-Bizarro Pepsi
@FM-Demonic TP
@FM-Tesseract
@FM-Chad Knight
@FM-ohno
Reconsider your vote at once.

and


@FM-Blue Beard


prepare to shoot any of the Incon voters.

[FM-Comrade PickleRadish]

oh ok tess reconsidered his vote, lol

[FM-Myopia]

Yeah well maybe you need to get 4 fake red checks before people start uhhh trusting you. What happened to your aggression? You think I'm just gonna sit back and let town lose? Piss off. You want to touch the bull, you will get the horns. I know for certain you lied about the lie detector. There is nothing to stop me now and I appreciate your giving me a 100% indicator today. You know that I know what you attempted. I don't even care if your other mates are Kitty or Leaf (but ohno is a shoe-in). I will zero in on you because I go where 100% lies. But... I will do some research to see if your other partner gave hints of being team with you. I would normally ask my right- or left-hand man, but my town has abandoned me (BLUE BEARD WHY!). Ahhh, so tiring, and town not trusting me. It's okay, having that 100% makes things a lot easier for me to dissect. Making me do work, and I will do it.

Your hand d1 was pepsi and not bb
U sr bb d1
Wtf man

[FM-Myopia]

welcome to my town core

Coughcopter
(Consider that as laughing)

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish
To put it bluntly saying:

I do not like that you are answering this. Its something that needs to provide their reasoning. Immediately gave me the feeling you could be aligned somewhere. Maybe you want to get the pressure off the Tess/Incon/Purple situation?

@FM-Its SOMETHING
Can you clarify your thought process on giving a death tailor to someone N0 and also giving it to a player you were willing to bet your life on that they are mafia?

Also, Why do you scum read Leaf? They are a town read for me.

Is not ATTACKING Its Something. You keep presenting the situation as if I was going at them hard fighting their position when I was literally just asking for reasoning to a very valid point I brought up. When a player claims a reveal in an odd way I question their reasoning. I still question that reasoning and the fact a Triad flipped does not change that fact. It bothers me that they came in and ignored the question instead of answering. It bothers me that what they said does not match what we currently see in that flip.

That was never an attack. I pushed against people speaking for them and giving them ways to fabricate reasoning because I felt there was potential they could be scum. I still feel there is potential they are scum. But then you read me asking people not to give reasoning for them and you keep describing it as if I was Attacking Mafia Bro in a diehard 1v1.

The things you are saying does not match the words you are quoting. You keep trying to escalate my words and cast shade. Yes, I absolutely want resolution between Tess/Incon/Purple. I am not too interested in reading into them or you because its a waste of time and I am honestly really hurting for time this game. Those flips will do truckloads to resolve their alignments and we have multiple red checks on 2 players I do not town read.

So to repeat, Dark Unicorn, why have you not condemned Purple's behavior towards Kitty Cat Dance, a triad flip, which is remarkably similar to that of Father and Sun and Mafia Bro, of which you heavily criticized as "anti-town"?

I did not ever say Father and Sun was scum for doing that. I just asked them not to respond for Something so we could get information. When I said I Scum Lean Mafia Bro its something I said before. Feel free to Iso me and you will find it. As for why I did not condemn Purples behavior its totally different. He asked Kitty a question. A valid question that would help to see what we were dealing with. That is nothing like responding to someone else on behalf of someone else in a way that gives them arguments they can use to fabricate reasoning. So yet again- please stop painting things.

You just keep phrasing things in the worst way possible to misconstrue the situation and make it sound like the situation was something different than what it was. Saying I was Attacking people and ignoring arguments and scum reading people is just not how things happened in the slightest. Anyone that reads the thread will see it.

So go find another train to try to save your ass. Honestly, before these interactions I felt bad for you. Figured you were just in a shitty situation that was not your fault. But now, I am as curious about seeing you resolved as I am to see Incon. The more you push me the more I feel like you are reaching to fabricate a case.

You would honestly probably have more luck pushing Its Something given its likely they flatly lied about the entire situation but also somehow had knowledge Kitty was not town that does not match their role claim. If you keep this up you will have to forgive me if I start ignoring you until after Incon is resolved (if you live)

[FM-ohno]

Eh, to be honest I dont know what to believe at this point. Why would Purple lie about lie detector though, that part I do not understand. How would he get out of it when I flipped town? Actually now that I asked this, I remember he made some post that was like "unless" some kind of bastard mechanic. Anyway i really gotta go now, meeting in 4 minutes. Here, I will put my vote back, but it doesn't look like this is happening today.

Also one thing that needs to be considered: if Purple is Mafia and is cleaning up the Triad competition, what is the optimal strategy for town? Maybe it's OK for town to eliminate ALL the triads and call it good and remove their factionals for good. On the other hand, we will then need to zero in on the mafias and eliminate then in a decent succession. Keeping Maf+Triad both alive means they might take care of one another to some extent. Anyways, gotta go.

-vote FM-Purple

Tess. There is 0 logical reason to not 1 for 1ing confirmed scum for POSSIBLE town. Comrade is trying to make us go for the POSSIBILITY of them finding a scum overnight. That is just plain bad, there is no other confirmed scum slot, we are seriously risking a misslynch + a night kill. Like ???? just kill the red check. comrade refusing to go for it as "town" is just scummy af

[FM-Myopia]

also I do not recommend cramming out 1.6k words in 10 hours

the paper won't even be formatted well for ease of reading and if you just so happen are presenting it then my sincerest good luck to you

Man im reading dozens of ks of words rn
I have a comeptition wednesday and im not lwarning fir you
Not sleeping for you
And u come up withbthis shit
Only my respect infront of lag keeps me up

[FM-Myopia]

Friday competitin

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Внимание, ребята!

I have asked a couple questions to Lag about my role.

Question 1. If Lover gets lynched today, could I do my night actions before I die of heartbreak?
The answer, unfortunately, is NO.

Question 2. If I purchase a painting, will that prevent me from being roleblocked?
The answer, semi-fortunately but also semi-unfortunately, is YES.
It is fortunate because that means I can vote anyone I want. So I never needed to vote Earless Artiste.
It is also unfortnate because that meant that all the headache I caused at the EoD1 regarding the tiebreaker was all for nothing, because I had purchased a painting on Day 1, meaning I could have voted Myopia, and therefore come into Night 1 and Day 2 with a much more clearer view of things and less misplays.
The fault is squarely mine for not understanding my own rolecard well enough.

Now what does that mean?
That means that, for one, I still suspect Purple more than Tess, so up he goes.

-vote FM-Purple

This also means that voting Inconspicious will guarantee that me, a town role with two potentially powerful abilities for finding and stopping the scum: an ability-copy and a one-time roleblock, will have no chance to use them before I die of heartbreak.

Say it with me....
...Say it with me!
Voting Inconspicious today is a mistake!

How do we know you are town?
How do we know Inconspicuous doesn't have an highly detrimental ability?
Why in the world would we lynch Purple, considering the Triad check he has?

You will not convince me of lynching Purple here, not today. I will always lynch Tesseract before Purple here, considering Purple is acting like a town with checks should act (trying to find associations) and considering Tesseract is still scummy to me. The question is whether Tesseract should be lynched before or after Inconspicuous.

And actually, if you think that way, I guess

-vote FM-Tesseract

can work too. We can always have a town vigi-like role shoot Inconspicuous at night.

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

You keep presenting the situation as if I was going at them hard fighting their position when I was literally just asking for reasoning to a very valid point I brought up.

^Valid point someone else brought up. I was sheeping the thought what they were saying needed clarification.

I would also ask @FM-Comrade PickleRadish do you feel the question I asked held no value in sorting the claimed Mafia result? It feels like you are discounting the value of that information in the first place.

[FM-Myopia]

The main thing that has value so far from my POV is the confrontation between Purple and Tesseract.

I suspected Purple on the first day, but now he is getting town points in my eyes, and the Tesseract (which, let me remind you, has already confused the city twice) is rapidly losing them.
That doesn't mean Tesseract is not town. But his claims to leadership in the city, to put it mildly, are not justified.

We have a rolecheck claim that has revealed the triad. Why shouldn't we lynch the triad and roleblock/vigi-kill Purple if he lied?

Triad again...
I fear my words
What if me saying the first group scum name ingame made a group scum get that name
And if would have said wolfes...
Ih man triad is kimda uncool as a word form desinigng standpoint
And we go t no prrrof yet of triad existing

[FM-Myopia]

I actually don't know, what I know is I roleblocked you and there were no night kills. But I intend to deal with you later. I know Purple lied, and that is the best lynch today for town today. You can be eliminated later, so enjoy stay in my town for the time being, scummy

U healwd someone, yet dont think the heal target was the scum nk
Roflol u rnt a clown
Bit a citcus

[FM-ohno]

How do we know you are town?
How do we know Inconspicuous doesn't have an highly detrimental ability?
Why in the world would we lynch Purple, considering the Triad check he has?

You will not convince me of lynching Purple here, not today. I will always lynch Tesseract before Purple here, considering Purple is acting like a town with checks should act (trying to find associations) and considering Tesseract is still scummy to me. The question is whether Tesseract should be lynched before or after Inconspicuous.

And actually, if you think that way, I guess

-vote FM-Tesseract

can work too. We can always have a town vigi-like role shoot Inconspicuous at night.

How about lynching THE CONFIRMED TRIAD INCONPICOUS MAN

[FM-Myopia]

Alright im going to go full devils adovacate

TESSERACT AND MR PURPLE AND TOWN VERSUS TOWN.

"But oh no, how is that possible? there is CLEARLY mechanical evidence to make this a 1 for 1"

You see my friend, we are playing something called KRC. Each person makes their own roles, and humans are dicks. Some Humans also have an obssesion with irony.

TESSERACTS ROLE CLAIM IS LITERALLY CALLED "POWERWOLF". I WOULD BE CALLING BULLSHIT IF HIS ROLE WAS NOT A MILLER

As for purple, i entirely belive his mindset is townie. I would not trust the "this isint affected by anything" part of the role, this is krc, nothing is guaranteed.

on a side note, tesseract how the fuck do you even have a read on me i memed all game long. i honestly do not give a flying fuck about anything but the roles

Contrary opinion

[FM-Is that a leaf]

How about lynching THE CONFIRMED TRIAD INCONPICOUS MAN

How about shooting him at night? I certainly won't oppose his lynch, though. And lynching him is 99999 times better than lynching Purple.

[FM-ohno]

Triad again...
I fear my words
What if me saying the first group scum name ingame made a group scum get that name
And if would have said wolfes...
Ih man triad is kimda uncool as a word form desinigng standpoint
And we go t no prrrof yet of triad existing

"no proof"

*looks at the triad flip*

[FM-ohno]

How about shooting him at night? I certainly won't oppose his lynch, though. And lynching him is 99999 times better than lynching Purple.

I have not seen anyone else claim night KP besides me, and i have my reasons for not wanting to use it on inco

[FM-Myopia]

Because I know 100% that Purple lied about his lie detector on me, and so this supposed Triad check on Inconspicuous means nothing as it is coming from a scum. Also, if you want to roleblock, that uhhh kind of requires me? How did I confuse the town twice btw?

There was A TRIAD check on consp
A TRIAD
Dang man u scum slipped if triad rly exists
You cant play that down
Coz purple never said incon is triad
Just not town irrc

[FM-ohno]

Myopia pls stop actively trying to overtake the person that mechanically has to top ppst

[FM-Myopia]

elaborate, please?

Thats my sentence!

[FM-Myopia]

Also man 1.6k replies to read yet

[FM-Myopia]

40 x 20 =800
800 replies to read

[FM-Is that a leaf]

There was A TRIAD check on consp
A TRIAD
Dang man u scum slipped if triad rly exists
You cant play that down
Coz purple never said incon is triad
Just not town irrc

I assume Tesseract was telling the truth a little fast and believed them when they said it was a triad check, but I think you're right o.O

[FM-Is that a leaf]

Myopia pls stop actively trying to overtake the person that mechanically has to top ppst

I see absolutely no issue with this, honestly. If they die from not being top poster, we don't have to lynch them lol. What i see an issue with is spam

[FM-Dark Unicorn]

^Valid point someone else brought up. I was sheeping the thought what they were saying needed clarification.

I would also ask @FM-Comrade PickleRadish do you feel the question I asked held no value in sorting the claimed Mafia result? It feels like you are discounting the value of that information in the first place.

Actually.. Thinking about it. I just dont care.

You took a bunch of positions that did not make sense. When you got called for having shit reasoning you went and tried to make it seem like I did a bunch of stuff I didn't. The fact that you had next to no reasoning at all and chose to go create some is batshit scummy. So how about this.

-vote FM-Inconspicuous Man

2 birds, 1 stone. Although I really think its dumb to flip 2 slots to resolve 2 when we could flip 1 to resolve 2, I am totally good with both you and Inconspicuous getting lynched. He has done nothing to make me think he is town and has a red check. Now I doubt you are town. Your flips will now clear Purple, Tess and to some extent- Me.

Maybe next time as scum don't try to shade the main guy pushing the counter wagon that keeps you alive. You said you wanted a 1v1 to resolve me. Congrats. Its gona be you.

[FM-Chad Knight]

oh my god.

So to recap we have what, four investigative claims?
1.) Purple's lie detector/ alignment checker
2.) Mr. Pain role cop'd something
3.) Myopia's claim (I think it's alignment checker but I've been mostly skimming through their posts rather than actually reading them)
4.) It's something has a risky alignment check stapled onto their gadget role.

Killing tesseract and having them flip solves purple AND inconspicuous.
Killing either It's something or Kitty Cat solves the other.

If we are to take EVERYTHING that our investigatives claim at face value then we know there's a triad faction, mafia faction, and the malevolent A.I solo-faction. Oh boy mulitball sure is fun.

I am also an investigative. I claimed that on day 1. I confirmed that Mafia Bro tried to dayshoot Purple and that Dark Unicorn visited me.