S-FM 337: Play at Your Own Risk

[FM-Matrix6]

Your choice.

my choice is to vote u. whaTS UP?

[FM-Silent Night]

Elaborate. In what direction?

A town about to kill someone would believe that person is scum and want to get information out of them. The lack of desire to ask questions or get information from me suggests that if they kill me they do not care about getting information which speaks to a scum perspective of only caring that I die. Even if they changed their read to believing I am town they would still want to get information from me because it would give them a confirmed town perspective allowing them to triangulate reads.

Its alignment indicative if I die and they did not take advantage of the time to get information from me.

[FM-Looney Toons]

my choice is to vote u. whaTS UP?

You chose more than that by being extremely cryptic and shady AF.

[FM-Looney Toons]

A town about to kill someone would believe that person is scum and want to get information out of them. The lack of desire to ask questions or get information from me suggests that if they kill me they do not care about getting information which speaks to a scum perspective of only caring that I die. Even if they changed their read to believing I am town they would still want to get information from me because it would give them a confirmed town perspective allowing them to triangulate reads.

Its alignment indicative if I die and they did not take advantage of the time to get information from me.

Thank you for this.

[FM-Bisected Souls]

A town about to kill someone would believe that person is scum and want to get information out of them. The lack of desire to ask questions or get information from me suggests that if they kill me they do not care about getting information which speaks to a scum perspective of only caring that I die. Even if they changed their read to believing I am town they would still want to get information from me because it would give them a confirmed town perspective allowing them to triangulate reads.

Its alignment indicative if I die and they did not take advantage of the time to get information from me.

Agree

[FM-Matrix6]

t his is awesome! i madsew up shit about 3 froot to die to see how silent would respond (way too calm tbh).
but who got really agitated is Looney Toons. and you failed to answer my qs and tried to redirect. so bye bye bye

[vote]FM-Looney Toons[/votge]

[FM-Matrix6]

-vote FM-Looney Toons

[FM-Bisected Souls]

-vote matrix6

Im not off of you Lag ;) just a small delay

[FM-Matrix6]

-vote matrix6

Im not off of you Lag ;) just a small delay

i will go watermelon on ur ass

[FM-Matrix6]

-vote matrix6

Im not off of you Lag ;) just a small delay

what are u doing?

[FM-Silent Night]

t his is awesome! i madsew up shit about 3 froot to die to see how silent would respond (way too calm tbh).
but who got really agitated is Looney Toons. and you failed to answer my qs and tried to redirect. so bye bye bye

[vote]FM-Looney Toons[/votge]

I think their reaction is understandable. Your kinda flailing around jumping from person to person without very much reason or follow through.

Interesting reaction test though. Although I got something out of it as well. You could have used it to pull information from me but you didn't. Why?

[FM-Matrix6]

I think their reaction is understandable. Your kinda flailing around jumping from person to person without very much reason or follow through.

Interesting reaction test though. Although I got something out of it as well. You could have used it to pull information from me but you didn't. Why?

i dont need to answer to uu. and this is a joke lol cuz i got the result and u didnt boither to lok for a lifeline

[FM-Silent Night]

i dont need to answer to uu. and this is a joke lol cuz i got the result and u didnt boither to lok for a lifeline

So what you were looking for was my survival focus and just did not care about my reads or potential associations?

[FM-Matrix6]

So what you were looking for was my survival focus and just did not care about my reads or potential associations?

i asked ur role befure u die and u didnt give it. whats up? i gave u benefit of doubt cuz u seemed to accept the outcome . meanwhile toons went insane. ima keep it on loons for now.

[FM-Silent Night]

i asked ur role befure u die and u didnt give it. whats up? i gave u benefit of doubt cuz u seemed to accept the outcome . meanwhile toons went insane. ima keep it on loons for now.

If I am going to die giving my exact role details is dumb because you will likely get them anyways when I die. I gave you as much information as I could without potentially causing issues if I did not die. Part of that was because I did not 100% believe what you were saying and part of it was because the risk-benefit ratio was bad. I also was fine dieing because I feel like I did well to start a train on Wilder and that even as I died I was making plays to sort your alignment. If I get 1 scum each game I am happy and I saw potential for 2. The fact you were not asking me questions made me happy. It meant you would kill me but my death would blow your cover and I would get you in the end. But my win condition is not to survive.

All that and I have this fucked up nature that keeps me from bending the knee regardless of whats over my head. Threats just don't work well on me in general and I am rather obstinate when someone leverages a situation over me. I like to tell myself that I am smart enough to flip it on them in the moment and I felt I was doing well there.

[FM-Looney Toons]

-vote FM-Matrix6

[FM-Matrix6]

If I am going to die giving my exact role details is dumb because you will likely get them anyways when I die. I gave you as much information as I could without potentially causing issues if I did not die. Part of that was because I did not 100% believe what you were saying and part of it was because the risk-benefit ratio was bad. I also was fine dieing because I feel like I did well to start a train on Wilder and that even as I died I was making plays to sort your alignment. If I get 1 scum each game I am happy and I saw potential for 2. The fact you were not asking me questions made me happy. It meant you would kill me but my death would blow your cover and I would get you in the end. But my win condition is not to survive.

All that and I have this fucked up nature that keeps me from bending the knee regardless of whats over my head. Threats just don't work well on me in general and I am rather obstinate when someone leverages a situation over me. I like to tell myself that I am smart enough to flip it on them in the moment and I felt I was doing well there.

ok

[FM-Matrix6]

D1sucks

[FM-Silent Night]

ok

I explained my side. How about yours? This reaction test will allow people to understand your alignment every bit as much (or maybe more) than mine.

Why didn't you pull more information out of me? Why was it so important to you for me to vote someone? What do you think about Loony Toons reacting aggressively? How does their reaction translate to them being scum?

[FM-Bisected Souls]

Phone running low
Good nighthis tienm for reaal

[FM-Silent Night]

I suppose I will not be getting an answer tonight.

-vote FM-Matrix6

I feel like the gambit was not well prepared or thought through. But that does not necessarily make it AI. Until I get a response what I think is AI is the jump to Loony Toons and 'Ah ha! I cotcha' attitude without reasoning. Slightly opportunistic.

While I don't have strong reason to push Matrix past not asking me questions to generate information from their gambit I would like to leave my vote here to open the door for pressure going into EOD. If tonight goes like last night did there won't be much progress. If anyone wants to kick around some ideas or talk about players I will poke in and out for a few hours and I will try to be back on before days end. The time is not the best for me.

[FM-All Stars]

I don't think Matrix is the best second train to make.
I'd rather have it be bisected or toons if we're going to decide between a second train and wilder.

[FM-All Stars]

Reads in order:
Pro Town Box:
All Stars
Last Hope
Silent Night
Matrix6
Once Upon a Town
Self Resolving Box:
Gravity Falls
Mid-Atlantic
Null Box:
Politico
Looney Toons
Scummy Box:
Bisected Souls
Wilder Wastelander

I really like Last Hope and Silent Night, they're contributing to town discussion and are poking and prodding other players.
Matrix seems like bored town.
Once Upon a Town is my weakest town read at the moment, call it hunch that they're towny for now.
Gravity and Mid-Atlantic are mechanically linked, and knowing what one flips will likely solve the other.
No strong read on Politico at the moment.
I want to hear more from Looney Toons.
I don't like Bisected at the moment, I put them in the scummy box because all the joking around and voting host is really putting me off this late into D1, low substance per post ratio, don't see any scum hunting from this slot at all.
I've gone on and on about Wilder, but as a refresher I think their claim is wack, their reasoning is wack, their reads list is totally wack, and their OMGUS vote is wack.

[FM-All Stars]

FM-Last Hope (1 [L-5]):
FM-Once Upon a Town
FM-Wilder Wastelander (3 [L-3]):
FM-All Stars, FM-Gravity Falls, FM-Last Hope
FM-Looney Toons (1 [L-5]):
FM-Matrix6
FM-All Stars (1 [L-5]):
FM-Wilder Wastelander
FM-Matrix6 (2 [L-4]):
FM-Silent Night, FM-Looney Toons

We should consolidate trains soon.

[FM-Silent Night]

I don't think Matrix is the best second train to make.
I'd rather have it be bisected or toons if we're going to decide between a second train and wilder.

I do want a 2nd train. 2 trains mean decisions made that can be used to generate information later.

Why Toons or Bisected over Matrix? I had concerns about Bisected that I partially resolved but Toons anger reaction to the gambit felt towny to me. Although I may have bias in that view given it was anger at someone threatening to kill me and I know my alignment.



(Saw you just posted a read wall but I will let this post anyways just because)

[FM-Silent Night]

FM-Last Hope (1 [L-5]):
FM-Once Upon a Town
FM-Wilder Wastelander (3 [L-3]):
FM-All Stars, FM-Gravity Falls, FM-Last Hope
FM-Looney Toons (1 [L-5]):
FM-Matrix6
FM-All Stars (1 [L-5]):
FM-Wilder Wastelander
FM-Matrix6 (2 [L-4]):
FM-Silent Night, FM-Looney Toons

We should consolidate trains soon.

I agree.

[FM-All Stars]

I do want a 2nd train. 2 trains mean decisions made that can be used to generate information later.

Why Toons or Bisected over Matrix? I had concerns about Bisected that I partially resolved but Toons anger reaction to the gambit felt towny to me. Although I may have bias in that view given it was anger at someone threatening to kill me and I know my alignment.



(Saw you just posted a read wall but I will let this post anyways just because)

Matrix is a town read for me, simple as that. I'd rather have trains on slots that I read as scum or my null reads to gather information.

[FM-Silent Night]

Matrix is a town read for me, simple as that. I'd rather have trains on slots that I read as scum or my null reads to gather information.

I am not very set on any of the people in that group. But to help me triangulate what makes you feel Matrix is town? I absolutely question a motive for pulling that gambit outside of town but running off without explaining a thought process and voting Loony without reason hardly make me more comfortable.

[FM-All Stars]

I am not very set on any of the people in that group. But to help me triangulate what makes you feel Matrix is town? I absolutely question a motive for pulling that gambit outside of town but running off without explaining a thought process and voting Loony without reason hardly make me more comfortable.

It has to do with stealing the fruit vendor role, the general banter in the first half of D1, the light amount of troll, and I think the gambit helped to generate a bit of discussion in a lull in day activity. I expect the slot to do more D2.

[FM-Silent Night]

It has to do with stealing the fruit vendor role, the general banter in the first half of D1, the light amount of troll, and I think the gambit helped to generate a bit of discussion in a lull in day activity. I expect the slot to do more D2.

I only think what the gambit did is AI to the person doing it if it was intended. I kinda got the vibe they just did that. But between Loony and Bisected which one do you feel I should shift to and why? Or should I say fuck it and self vote while advocating to make myself some monies?

[FM-All Stars]

I only think what the gambit did is AI to the person doing it if it was intended. I kinda got the vibe they just did that. But between Loony and Bisected which one do you feel I should shift to and why? Or should I say fuck it and self vote while advocating to make myself some monies?

I'd recommend Bisected, I want them to get serious sooner rather than later, it'd help improve my read. I think a bit of pressure could do that slot some good. But that would only matter if a train gets rolling on them. If we can't consolidate votes on Bisected then if I were you, I'd self vote.

[FM-All Stars]

Ideally though the 2nd train would be someone that a majority of people scum read, (duh) so I'd hope that you'd help form a second train organically with the rest of town.

[FM-Silent Night]

That is fair.

My issue with reading them is also because everything has been a joke. The aspects I would be more aggressive on I discounted because everything said has been a joke. If we can pressure them a bit it may be a step forward.

-vote FM-Bisected Souls

I will go back here for a bit. I do have the intention of waking up early enough to be active at EOD but we will see what happens.

For what it matters I need 3 votes today to buy and use a vest. 2 more given I can self vote and earn from it. It changes in cost over time and other things cost ratios of currency.

[FM-Silent Night]

Ideally though the 2nd train would be someone that a majority of people scum read, (duh) so I'd hope that you'd help form a second train organically with the rest of town.

A bit hard to do given most people are not around. I have not been looking at consensus opinions but I think we are the only two who have given a full reads list.

[FM-Silent Night]

I suppose we can work to make an argument given they will wake up and read our posts. I may not have thread presence at end of day though.

[FM-Silent Night]

Gave it some thought. I am not good with making an argument to push someone. Its what I do when I am evil.

I am fine with it when I am active in a thread and pushing someone or applying pressure that I can walk back afterwards but I don't like doing it and then putting it in the hands of whoever is around for EoD. I would potentially be putting the day chat equivalent of a gun in the hands of scum to curve a lynch.

On the other hand something I feel could be productive is simple.
@FM-Bisected Souls
Could you give some straightforward reads on players so we can understand your thoughts? Your interactions leave a lot of questions but everything is just a joke so nothing can be held to you.

[FM-Gravity Falls]

I guess i have to admit silent night is town, they are way too quick on their feet. Sad.

-vote FM-Looney Toons

wild whatever is a mislynch. This is way more juicy looking.

[FM-Gravity Falls]

I guess i have to admit silent night is town, they are way too quick on their feet. Sad.

-vote FM-Looney Toons

wild whatever is a mislynch. This is way more juicy looking.

Well actually this is feigned confidence but I still want to go after looney instead

[FM-Silent Night]

I guess i have to admit silent night is town, they are way too quick on their feet. Sad.

-vote FM-Looney Toons

wild whatever is a mislynch. This is way more juicy looking.

Sounds like you are unhappy about recognizing my alignment. I am not sure how I feel about that.

What makes you feel Wild is a mislynch? If they are town who are our scum and why?

[FM-All Stars]

A bit hard to do given most people are not around. I have not been looking at consensus opinions but I think we are the only two who have given a full reads list.

Yeah if everyone could start making full read lists for EoD lynching that'd be great.

[FM-Silent Night]

Yeah if everyone could start making full read lists for EoD lynching that'd be great.

Understanding how to break RVS, triangulate reads, do basic scum hunting and fill out their their TPS reports with the correct header would be greeeaaaate
If I was mayor everyone would be fired!

: P

[FM-Silent Night]

If I didn't mention it before I requested my name to be butt blaster. I was told no though.

My hope is that before the end of this game that changes and Lag changes their ways to be as corrupted as we want our admins.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Once Last Silent Looney walked into town and got his head chopped off. the end.

ffs stop posting fluff its getting really infuriating.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

D1sucks

well when 75% of what you do is flood, probably, yes.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

I don't like Bisected at the moment, I put them in the scummy box because all the joking around and voting host is really putting me off this late into D1, low substance per post ratio, don't see any scum hunting from this slot at all.

But that description feels very close to what matrix has been doing... Why is it scummy for one and "okay bored town" for the other ? Esp since there are people that you townread less than matrix, meaning you are quite confident about matrix being town for the same reason that bisected is scum ?
Both of them angered me with their fluffy spammy posts, ghost has had some seriously solvy moments but matrix's ideal spot is about as wacky as Wastelander's IMO.

I've gone on and on about Wilder, but as a refresher I think their claim is wack, their reasoning is wack, their reads list is totally wack, and their OMGUS vote is wack.[/QUOTE]

Idk i have towny vibes from the slot, but i have to agree it doesnt make sense... Something's off

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

ghost has had some seriously solvy moments

Fuck i mean Souls.

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

@FM-Once Upon a Town
@FM-Matrix6

Do y'all really not like Last hope?

My vote on last hope was mainly for two reasons :
poke Last Hope
Offer a counter wagon outside Wastelander & Silent Night, why (aka reads) are on their way

This feels towny, as saying that they don't want to put someone at L-2 early makes sense in wanting to avoid a quick hammer.

What ? Talk about free town points

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

@FM-Matrix6 You didnt answer me about the alleged "typo" you mention in #153, was it what i thought it was : Matrix instead of Matrix6 ?

[FM-Once Upon a Town]

Rather you will piss me with your style of play.
I do not mean you personally, but this community as a whole.

What style of play are you referring to ?

How sure are you about Silent Night & All Stars being scum, respectively ? Preferably a numerical answer. From my POV you are adamant that they are scum with so little evidence that it comes down mainly to gut instinct/interpretation. I dont think you're scum, but you're not really acting like town either.

Getting aggressive under pressure is understandable, but you are getting more and more passive-aggressive, not conflicting with anyone in particular but simply criticizing everyone more or less subtly :

Spoiler : agressive quotes :

But most don't give a damn, which is not surprising.

Rather you will piss me with your style of play.
this community as a whole.
Scums can finish me, looks like this town deserved that.

It looks like everyone here is terrible in this game.
I don't understand the logic by which you are playing at all.
Three random votes for me, not a single reason to vote was announced, no one cares.

Am I only one reading the posts?

Reaction to the stupidity of the town, you mean?

There is no reason for town to do that, as that doesnt help their case, quite the opposite in fact. Are you really that frustrated about the alleged incomprehension between you & apparently everyone else ?
Are there things you (or anyone, might as well) are forbidden from communicating us ?

[FM-Last Hope]

FM-Last Hope (1 [L-5]):
FM-Once Upon a Town
FM-Wilder Wastelander (2 [L-4]):
FM-All Stars, FM-Last Hope
FM-Looney Toons (2 [L-4]):
FM-Gravity Falls, FM-Matrix6
FM-All Stars (1 [L-5]):
FM-Wilder Wastelander
FM-Bisected Souls (1 [L-5]):
FM-Silent Night
FM-Matrix6 (1 [L-5]):
FM-Looney Toons

The train formation tells me that town isn't united on who should eliminated as of now. Personally the only trains that have a significant chance of flipping a scum are Wilder, Bisected Souls and maybe Looney Toons.
Still, I'll want to back read in case i missed anything.