S-FM 222: Black Flag Nightless (2.0)

[Cryptonic]

Aaaand now for mechanically solving the game.

Where is the fun in that?

[Whad]

Aaaand now for mechanically solving the game. Right now, we can afford two mislynches, and we only need to lynch one scum in order to win. The best way to pick the lynches is to have everyone suggest 3-person lynch pools today, and go from there. Scum can't win if their partner gets lynched, so they're likely to avoid putting their partner in the pool. (and if they did, easy win) Narrow down the possible associations and then we pick the best lynch. With the numbers we have now, it's basically impossible to select a town only pool.

My candidates:
Gyrlander
Mesk
SuperJack

Crypt gets a pass for hammering scum in a game where we only need to lynch two scum, yzb for having correct insights and a VERY productive town tone, Whad truce'd for now, Orpz for sharing my view and not being associated with Titus, and Iced off of gut feeling townier than the other three.

Someone ping me if I need to fish myself out of the lynch pool. Otherwise, I'm going to be busy for the rest of the night.
@Whad , it appears I'm probably wrong about you. If you're the town I'm now suspecting you are, do we have a truce? I don't know how we've gotten to misunderstanding each other so far, but it doesn't need to continue for now. I'm not going after you for your heretical playstyle today.

I don't have any hard feelings, but if you're one of the remaining two scum in the game (which tbh looks probable), no amount of waving the white flag is going to prevent me from coming after you

[Mesk514]

How the fuck am I a candidate for lynch? I'm just as confirmed as Crypt. Titus pushed me as low hanging fruit and I jokingly voted her cause why the fuck not, I have nothing to lose. There's no way anyone can make as case that Titus and I were aligned.

[Whad]

How the fuck am I a candidate for lynch? I'm just as confirmed as Crypt. Titus pushed me as low hanging fruit and I jokingly voted her cause why the fuck not, I have nothing to lose. There's no way anyone can make as case that Titus and I were aligned.

Honestly it's probably because MattZed is scum. Wanna pick out your top 3 scum reads though, dear?

[SuperJack]

I'll read this tintype. Tomorrow.

[Mesk514]

I would go orpz mattzed or iced. Iced could have been bussing Titus

[Cryptonic]

How the fuck am I a candidate for lynch? I'm just as confirmed as Crypt. Titus pushed me as low hanging fruit and I jokingly voted her cause why the fuck not, I have nothing to lose. There's no way anyone can make as case that Titus and I were aligned.

Not nearly as confirmed, but definitely much more town than not.
There are some cases for you and Titus, but they're complex and exhausting as Mafia

[Cryptonic]

I think MattZed or SuperJack today.
Gyrlander wouldn't be horrible either.
Followed by Orpz.

[Whad]

My two top scum picks after rereading the gamethread are Orpz and Mattzed.

I actually couldn't find the vote count, but I think it was:
Titus (4): Iced_Monopoly, Mesk514, Yzb25, Cryptonic
Whad (3): Orpz, MattZed, Titus

Is it too obvious that the whole scum team would have voted me to push for my mislynch D1? Hear me out.

First, Orpz:
A post that really stuck out to me as scummy from Orpz's posts from D1 is:

-vote Whad

I cannot get over how lazy the reads he posted last night were.

Those who think Crypt is more scummy than Whad need to explain to me why they think Whad is an inferior lynch choice. Yzb post is pretty good though. At this point, my hesitation on joining the Crypt hype train is because of how awful the justification from SJ and Whad was.

So Orpz decided to vote me for "lazy" reads. This is juxtaposed with him saying Yzb's post on cryptonic being scummy is "pretty good". I think if Orpz had a real scum read on me, enough to actually merit his vote on me, then he shouldn't just comment that I had "awful justification" for being on Cryptonic. He should be incensed about the train on Cryptonic since his biggest scum read is on it! Because he fails to do this, the post doesn't seem sincere to me and seems like a way to 1.) push a Whad train and 2.) leave the door open for a Cryptonic train (both of which I believe are trains on townmembers).

Re: MattZed:
I still really feel like this is something S says to T in games:

If you're scum, then I appreciate your boldness. It's something we don't see from scum as much these days, but I really can't let it slide.

In Mafia, I find it exceptionally rare that people will throw around compliments like this. Or at least ones where in the context of the rest of the quote MattZed is raking me over a pile of hot coals for what he claims to be terribad town play and then in the next sentence saying it's actually pretty nice if I'm scum. That all just seems insincere and triggers my S talking to T radar.

Aaaand now for mechanically solving the game. Right now, we can afford two mislynches, and we only need to lynch one scum in order to win. The best way to pick the lynches is to have everyone suggest 3-person lynch pools today, and go from there. Scum can't win if their partner gets lynched, so they're likely to avoid putting their partner in the pool. (and if they did, easy win) Narrow down the possible associations and then we pick the best lynch. With the numbers we have now, it's basically impossible to select a town only pool.

My candidates:
Gyrlander
Mesk
SuperJack

Crypt gets a pass for hammering scum in a game where we only need to lynch two scum, yzb for having correct insights and a VERY productive town tone, Whad truce'd for now, Orpz for sharing my view and not being associated with Titus, and Iced off of gut feeling townier than the other three.

Someone ping me if I need to fish myself out of the lynch pool. Otherwise, I'm going to be busy for the rest of the night.
@Whad , it appears I'm probably wrong about you. If you're the town I'm now suspecting you are, do we have a truce? I don't know how we've gotten to misunderstanding each other so far, but it doesn't need to continue for now. I'm not going after you for your heretical playstyle today.

I dislike this post by MattZed for two reasons:

1.) At this point, if we are about to lynch a mafia member, then the mafia will use their lynch redirect. MattZed's plan will help scum identify the unlynchable confirmed townies to better inform the lynch redirect.

2.) I note it very interesting that MattZed leaves Orpz off his list of people that he finds the most scummy. Instead he picks out the 3 lowest hanging fruits who are more likely than not townies. I'll get to why I don't find Gyrlander, Mesk, or SJ very scummy in my next post though.

[Whad]

Town reads that need little explanation:
Cryptonic - for being the deciding vote on Titus (scum) when the other option was Whad (town)
yzb25 - this guy GETS me. And always seeks to understand players and motivations. Liked his defense of me when I wasn't around and MattZed was hugely misrepping me.
Iced_Monopoly - #238 was the first to focus on Titus and was responsible for sheparding in the train.

My less straightforward town reads:
Gyrlander:
[spoiler]1.

W-wa-wait... do you mean... this case?

Cryptonic flagged this earlier, but Gyrlander pointing out that SJ didn't have a good case against Cryptonic seemed very town motivated to cut through the bullshit.

2.

@yzb25 Last Explanation

When I said the post about the "if I was Mafia you would die tonight" I was completely unaware of the setup being nightless. It was a pretty basic comment about the desire to murder someone when you actually can't because you're town.

Then, after you said that the setup was nightless I thought it would be funny and amazing if I told that I actually said that saying that as I couldn't kill you because the setup is Nightless, it also means that I'm not mafia. However, you started to comment more about it and I decided to say that it was... well... not planned at all.

After that, you said that it was impossible for me to not know the setup is Nightless because it is on the title. Well, I didn't read it. It is a quite long title and I just click the link, switch to my current Sc2 Mafia Arcade game and wait for it to load. I don't have to read the title ALL the time. The setup is also 2 months old (I mean in sign-ups) and the mechanics are hyper basic, so I didn't feel the need to re-read it. (AS IT IS FUCKING VANILLA).

I'm amazed by how much we have talked about something SO tiny and stupid. I don't know if it was a waste of time or a way for you to analyse me. I hope it was the second. However, I hope your vote isn't based on this but another thing.

I literally read this as too stupid of a mistake for a scum player to make. Gyrlander seems really sincere here and I can sense his embarassment. VI, but town nonetheless.

3.

In your reads list you said you were slightly town-reading me and now you claim to have changed from scum-reading me to village idiot?

Congrats with the contradiction, my friend.

I also like this post where Gyrlander is actively trying to probe me and discern my alignment as opposed to the blatant misreps thrown my way by people like MattZed.

4.

Considering yzb is one of the most town-read here, you should focus on others.

In this post by Gyrlander, he is telling Titus not to read yzb and focus on something more productive. This doesn't seem like S talking to S, instead it reads very much to me like T talking to T/S which is what it would have been from Gyrlander's perspective at the moment.

5.

HUEHUEHUE

This response to Titus revealing as scum doesn't seem at all like something Titus's scum partner would say.

6. If Gyrlander hadn't unvoted me then Titus and I would have been tied and it would have been randomed. That gives him townpoints even if he didn't end up placing that vote on Titus.[/spoiler]

Mesk514
[spoiler]
1.

I am a god when it comes to this game, Im happy Gyrlander can finally appreciate me.

I'll admit that a large portion of my townread on Mesk is still based on meta, but there are also some non-meta kernels in there, too. This post, however is typical bold town mesk play.

2.

All I have to say is, I'm a citizen and I am easy to sort!

Flagged this as typical town mesk, too.

3.

I think posting fans would be more beneficial

Especially this. This is town mesk.

4. Mesk was a random voter on Titus, but we needed that vote to get the lynch off, nonetheless. Slight outside chance of being mafia who wanted to bus but didn't think the train would get off the ground. Mesk's D2 posts seems like sincere townie who thinks she should be cleared though.

5. Titus was pushing so hard for Mesk on D1. I find it really hard to believe that Titus would tunnel so aggressively after a teammate.[/spoiler]

SuperJack:
[spoiler]
I still have a gut town read on this slot simply because the posting demeanor seems very town-like to me.

Looks like you are trying to really over sell the value of a mesk lynch. Even using her own town read on herself as "information"

Mesk isn't readable. She is just a flip. It's like Mcnuggets. They are and always will be Mcnuggets, unless they change. Yet there is no change.

Stop cosigning.

He obviously hasn’t really read... Mesk's read on herself should have been Whad’s read on Mesk and I just feel like the lack of game mechanics exhibited by this slot and happy go-lucky nature seems more townie than scummy.

Obviously this is the weakest of my townreads but I'm confident enough in MattZed/Orpz scum to let my SJ gut town feel ride.[/spoiler]

[Whad]

-vote Orpz

To be honest at this point I don't mind Orpz or MattZed. Let's see what they have to say.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Two posts detailing me as potentially bussing titus, or being potential scum. Id like to remind you that I drove that lynch at the beginning half of the second day, and didnt veer off of it at any point. If she were my partner, this play would be incredibly bad, and she probably wouldve raged harder at me.

It seems my town reads are all in agreement that MZ is a target; Less convinced that Gyr is a target, but all seem interested in Orpz. I will re-read his position when I get the chance.

Im willing to clear mesk on the grounds that her vote on titus was absolute trash, and titus didnt react all that badly too it. Not nearly as badly as she shouldve if mesk was her teammate. Gyr is going to be null since nobody else is currently getting the same scum vibes from him that I am, I wont be forgetting him though.

This leaves my town pool at YZB, Whad, Crypt, Mesk
Null pool at Gyr, Sj, Orpz
Scum pool at MZ

[Iced_Monopoly]

-unvote

fixed

[Iced_Monopoly]

Literally shocked beyond belief that I didn't get lynched.

Going to reread the thread and see what I can pick up. Crypt looking 99.999% townie for swapping his vote from me to Titus at the last second. At this point we just need to lynch one more goon and then we win.


Wanted to ping one thing before I get started:
@Iced_Monopoly

I don't see scum behaving like this in response to Titus admitting she was scum.

I see it as NAI

[Whad]

I see it as NAI

What about the other stuff I posted about Gyrlander?

Especially this post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...111#post674111

Where Gyrlander asks Titus to do something productive and please read someone other than yzb who is basically townread by everyone. Doesn't seem like a SvS interaction to me.

[Iced_Monopoly]

What about the other stuff I posted about Gyrlander?

Especially this post: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...111#post674111

Where Gyrlander asks Titus to do something productive and please read someone other than yzb who is basically townread by everyone. Doesn't seem like a SvS interaction to me.

Im not sure, I might be too focused on trying to read his behaviour as scum motivated, I just have a gut feeling on him.

Il concede that hes probably off the table for being lynched today anyways, barring something big changing. Its definitely going to be Orpz or MZ.

[Whad]

Im not sure, I might be too focused on trying to read his behaviour as scum motivated, I just have a gut feeling on him.

Il concede that hes probably off the table for being lynched today anyways, barring something big changing. Its definitely going to be Orpz or MZ.

People also seem to like SJ so it might be good to hear your thoughts on that slot too since maybe he's falling in my blind spot.

[Iced_Monopoly]

People also seem to like SJ so it might be good to hear your thoughts on that slot too since maybe he's falling in my blind spot.

I too have turned a blind eye to this slot, I think I became far too invested in reading and arguing with titus. I have a bit to catch up on. Playing some OW atm, will get round to it tonight.

[Mesk514]

Let's get Orpz!

[Iced_Monopoly]

Let's get Orpz!

Why are you so interested in lynching Orpz over MZ?

Looking for actual differences you find in the players that indicate scum/town leans for you?

[Gyrlander]

I feel pretty confident with how many mislynches we have. MZ / Orpz / SJ ... Pretty sure there's the scum that will give us our victory

[Mesk514]

Why are you so interested in lynching Orpz over MZ?

Looking for actual differences you find in the players that indicate scum/town leans for you?

Orpz quick sheeped Titus

[Mesk514]

but after some reading...orpz is a little meh
titus seemed a little friendly to yah

[Mesk514]

yzb * tho
Titus was nice to the urinal dude.

stupid auto correct.

[Orpz]

WTF STOP I didn't sheep anyone, I've been gunning for Whad the whole time

Though I will admit Titus's flip makes him look better

[Orpz]

My two top scum picks after rereading the gamethread are Orpz and Mattzed.

I actually couldn't find the vote count, but I think it was:
Titus (4): Iced_Monopoly, Mesk514, Yzb25, Cryptonic
Whad (3): Orpz, MattZed, Titus

Is it too obvious that the whole scum team would have voted me to push for my mislynch D1? Hear me out.

First, Orpz:
A post that really stuck out to me as scummy from Orpz's posts from D1 is:


So Orpz decided to vote me for "lazy" reads. This is juxtaposed with him saying Yzb's post on cryptonic being scummy is "pretty good". I think if Orpz had a real scum read on me, enough to actually merit his vote on me, then he shouldn't just comment that I had "awful justification" for being on Cryptonic. He should be incensed about the train on Cryptonic since his biggest scum read is on it! Because he fails to do this, the post doesn't seem sincere to me and seems like a way to 1.) push a Whad train and 2.) leave the door open for a Cryptonic train (both of which I believe are trains on townmembers).

Re: MattZed:
I still really feel like this is something S says to T in games:


In Mafia, I find it exceptionally rare that people will throw around compliments like this. Or at least ones where in the context of the rest of the quote MattZed is raking me over a pile of hot coals for what he claims to be terribad town play and then in the next sentence saying it's actually pretty nice if I'm scum. That all just seems insincere and triggers my S talking to T radar.



I dislike this post by MattZed for two reasons:

1.) At this point, if we are about to lynch a mafia member, then the mafia will use their lynch redirect. MattZed's plan will help scum identify the unlynchable confirmed townies to better inform the lynch redirect.

2.) I note it very interesting that MattZed leaves Orpz off his list of people that he finds the most scummy. Instead he picks out the 3 lowest hanging fruits who are more likely than not townies. I'll get to why I don't find Gyrlander, Mesk, or SJ very scummy in my next post though.

Are you saying me calling your "Titus and Crypt are scum cause lul underperforming" reads lazy is somehow inaccurate? Also your entire paragraph is based on the assumption that I thought Crypt was Town. Who said I townread Crypt yesterday?

[Orpz]

-vote Orpz

To be honest at this point I don't mind Orpz or MattZed. Let's see what they have to say.

>When you call someone scum for keeping lynch options open as you make a post declaring your lynch options are open

I don't even think you're scum anymore because of Titus's flip but your arguments against me are weak.

Let's start a new hype train AWAY FROM ME

-vote Superjack

[Whad]

Are you saying me calling your "Titus and Crypt are scum cause lul underperforming" reads lazy is somehow inaccurate? Also your entire paragraph is based on the assumption that I thought Crypt was Town. Who said I townread Crypt yesterday?

Ok well given that you thought my 1st half of D1 reads were lazy, can you explain some of your reasoning on how they seemed scum motivated? I already gave reasoning to mattzed for why they were town motivated. The main two prongs being 1.) actually my reads even if lazy and 2.) gave town a baseline to talk about reads and who needed to get shifted around.

Also regarding you keeping the option of cryptonic open: I'll admit that I found cryptonic scummy yesterday. However I think most people were of either the Cryptonic town/Whad Scum (Gyrlander, Cryptonic) or the Whad town/Cryptonic Scum (yzb, Whad, SuperJack), or Cryptonic town/Whad town (Iced_Monopoly) so it looks weird that you were fencesitting it. I'd like to understand how you came to the conclusion of Cryptonic scum/Whad scum because at the present moment it seems scum motivated to keep ML options open and fuel both trains.

>When you call someone scum for keeping lynch options open as you make a post declaring your lynch options are open

I don't even think you're scum anymore because of Titus's flip but your arguments against me are weak.

Let's start a new hype train AWAY FROM ME

-vote Superjack

Why SuperJack and not MattZed? What do you think of the stuff I pointed out about MattZed's behavior?
Link here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post674394

[Cryptonic]

Is no one else alarmed by MattZed's "Time to mechanically solve the game".

It's basically giving him a free pass from scum hunting lol

[Gyrlander]

-vote MattZed

Because I suspected him enough before Titus flipped.

[yzb25]

Present. Will start reading up.

[Orpz]

Ok well given that you thought my 1st half of D1 reads were lazy, can you explain some of your reasoning on how they seemed scum motivated? I already gave reasoning to mattzed for why they were town motivated. The main two prongs being 1.) actually my reads even if lazy and 2.) gave town a baseline to talk about reads and who needed to get shifted around.

Also regarding you keeping the option of cryptonic open: I'll admit that I found cryptonic scummy yesterday. However I think most people were of either the Cryptonic town/Whad Scum (Gyrlander, Cryptonic) or the Whad town/Cryptonic Scum (yzb, Whad, SuperJack), or Cryptonic town/Whad town (Iced_Monopoly) so it looks weird that you were fencesitting it. I'd like to understand how you came to the conclusion of Cryptonic scum/Whad scum because at the present moment it seems scum motivated to keep ML options open and fuel both trains.



Why SuperJack and not MattZed? What do you think of the stuff I pointed out about MattZed's behavior?
Link here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post674394

Tbh I would lynch the Zed of Matts too, but Superjack is gut-feeling scummier than Matt. The scummiest thing Matt has done is lurk and then go on to ISO Whad when Whad already had a case presented against him and was at L-3.

[Orpz]

Ok well given that you thought my 1st half of D1 reads were lazy, can you explain some of your reasoning on how they seemed scum motivated? I already gave reasoning to mattzed for why they were town motivated. The main two prongs being 1.) actually my reads even if lazy and 2.) gave town a baseline to talk about reads and who needed to get shifted around.

Also regarding you keeping the option of cryptonic open: I'll admit that I found cryptonic scummy yesterday. However I think most people were of either the Cryptonic town/Whad Scum (Gyrlander, Cryptonic) or the Whad town/Cryptonic Scum (yzb, Whad, SuperJack), or Cryptonic town/Whad town (Iced_Monopoly) so it looks weird that you were fencesitting it. I'd like to understand how you came to the conclusion of Cryptonic scum/Whad scum because at the present moment it seems scum motivated to keep ML options open and fuel both trains.



Why SuperJack and not MattZed? What do you think of the stuff I pointed out about MattZed's behavior?
Link here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post674394

It's not weird that I was fencesitting it. I couldn't make up my mind on Crypt so I decided not to think about it. You don't have to find all of the scum in the game to win, and Crypt is one of the best scum players on the site. Gotta allocate my IQ efficiently.

[Orpz]

Basically, my thoughts today can be summed up as: 1 scum in SJ/MZ, who care about the last scum

Also everyone who pushed Titus should be more or less cleared because it was obvious from the day that Titus was someone who could potentially control the day chat if needed. I'd like to think that Mafia would choose to bus another player if they really did have to bus one.

[yzb25]

Mattzed is being really scummy.

-He reasonlessly gave the 3 baitest lynch choices (Gyr, Mesk and SJ) then proceeded to justify the townreads instead. Most of the townreads were obvious anyway (Me, Crypt, exc.).
-He conveniently had just enough time to post his Whad ISO (the only read he'd made all game) to justify voting the largest train, but conveniently couldn't be around for peak-time LYLO to discuss his lynch choice properly. His schedule may have just been unlucky, but the scum perspective is impossible to ignore.
-After writing an entire essay about why Whad's entire game makes him either scum or so anti-town he's worth PLing, he comfortably flipped his read without showing any emotion. Generally people show some kind of stubbornness / reluctance about going back on their reads, shame or shock, or just fucking anything. Being like "yo wanna truce ex-hard-scumread?" feels so insincere.
-His pro-town attitude just feels fake and forced. <--- I don't generally make these kinds of reasons the crux of my reads, but given my townread Iced seems to also be getting inexplicable scum-gutread vibes from Matt and my townread Whad seemed to feel a similar response to that "if you're scum I admire your boldness" crap I'm including it.

His supposed unawareness of how his actions can be construed as scummy feels fake AF, too. We shouldn't even need to ping him - it's extremely obvious he's on the chopping block.

@MattZed Yeah you're needed. Respond to Whad's criticisms while you're at it (#509).

[yzb25]

Tbh I would lynch the Zed of Matts too, but Superjack is gut-feeling scummier than Matt. The scummiest thing Matt has done is lurk and then go on to ISO Whad when Whad already had a case presented against him and was at L-3.

Can you find any way to communicate your SJ scum gutread?

[Gyrlander]

We have SO many mislynches that I'm feeling totally comfortable if we just lynch following a lynch order, something like:

MZ -> Orpz -> Whad -> Mesk -> Iced

Or something like that.

[yzb25]

We have SO many mislynches that I'm feeling totally comfortable if we just lynch following a lynch order, something like:

MZ -> Orpz -> Whad -> Mesk -> Iced

Or something like that.

We're only allowed 3 lynch choices, excluding the mislynch scum force.

Furthermore, if Orpz and Mattzed flip town, you'll almost certainly be the third choice XP. You're getting way too lax.

[yzb25]

Is no one else alarmed by MattZed's "Time to mechanically solve the game".

It's basically giving him a free pass from scum hunting lol

I'm not alarmed. It certainly won't give him a free pass from scum hunting lol.

-vote Mattzed

[Gyrlander]

We're only allowed 3 lynch choices, excluding the mislynch scum force.

Furthermore, if Orpz and Mattzed flip town, you'll almost certainly be the third choice XP. You're getting way too lax.

I'm almost 100% sure they won't flip town, so my body isn't getting the "omg you have to GET SOME SHIT GOING" feeling, and makes me very lazy :/

[Cryptonic]

Basically it's almost confirmed that the lynch will be swapped today, regardless of who we're lynching (unless we're lynching "confirmed" Town).
We should almost just fast hammer someone semi-scummy and go from there.

[yzb25]

Basically it's almost confirmed that the lynch will be swapped today, regardless of who we're lynching (unless we're lynching "confirmed" Town).
We should almost just fast hammer someone semi-scummy and go from there.

If I were scum, I'd personally be trying to save the lynch swap for when the lynches get more ambiguous. I'd have the mentality of "if we can't even survive today then we're fucked anyway". I dunno if scum has my mentality tho.

[Cryptonic]

If I were scum, I'd personally be trying to save the lynch swap for when the lynches get more ambiguous. I'd have the mentality of "if we can't even survive today then we're fucked anyway". I dunno if scum has my mentality tho.

To what end, though?

I mean, if I were scum, I'd be swapping the second lynch. Especially true if it were a misslynch.
Swapping a misslynch forces the idea that the lynch was correct, and Mafia was saving their own. The next day would proceed with the misslynch. Then Mafia only needs 1 more lynch after that.

That's why I hope people will stand back and consider other lynch possibilities after the lynch-swap takes place.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Rereading the Orpz/SJ/MZ slots and taking notes while I go through their ISOs:

Orpz
- Oddly centric on mesk around the same time that Titus was. Took a different approach in discussing her than Titus did, but seemingly dropped her the same time whad's train gained traction
- Advocates a SJ lynch over MZ, even though he presents why MZ is scummy - he presents no case for SJ but 'gut feels'

SuperJack
- Doesnt read the game, (setup or posts)
- Shitposts, or falls into a thesaurus and makes post that are constantly asked for clarification
- Large interest in cryptonic, even when hes not a target for a train, continues through to the end when titus and whad are on the chopping block

MattZed
- Suprised game is active without him (joke?) Promises to ISO major trains - Ignores titus completely and only ISO's whad
- Far too interested in Whad, doesnt even consider titus as a viable lynch, makes no case for her (+ve or -ve), only tunnels whad
- Game cannot be mechanically solved, but he insists it can, looks like an attempt to take town leader slot.


From these 3, only two were on either train yesterday, Orpz and MZ. With that information, and the reads on SJ, im willing to excuse him from the lynch pool today. Between MZ and Orpz, MZ is by far the scummier player.

I was right about titus, Im confident im right about MZ too.

-vote MattZed

[Iced_Monopoly]

@Whad @Cryptonic @Mesk514

We're not having a lynch flip, MZ is going to be lynch today.

[Cryptonic]

I'm good with MZ or SJ today.

-vote MattZed

[Iced_Monopoly]

Aight, I dont want to see L-1 with 24hrs left, so il change my vote to a placeholder

-unvote

Still voting MZ

[Gyrlander]

Rereading the Orpz/SJ/MZ slots and taking notes while I go through their ISOs:

Orpz
- Oddly centric on mesk around the same time that Titus was. Took a different approach in discussing her than Titus did, but seemingly dropped her the same time whad's train gained traction
- Advocates a SJ lynch over MZ, even though he presents why MZ is scummy - he presents no case for SJ but 'gut feels'

SuperJack
- Doesnt read the game, (setup or posts)
- Shitposts, or falls into a thesaurus and makes post that are constantly asked for clarification
- Large interest in cryptonic, even when hes not a target for a train, continues through to the end when titus and whad are on the chopping block

MattZed
- Suprised game is active without him (joke?) Promises to ISO major trains - Ignores titus completely and only ISO's whad
- Far too interested in Whad, doesnt even consider titus as a viable lynch, makes no case for her (+ve or -ve), only tunnels whad
- Game cannot be mechanically solved, but he insists it can, looks like an attempt to take town leader slot.


From these 3, only two were on either train yesterday, Orpz and MZ. With that information, and the reads on SJ, im willing to excuse him from the lynch pool today. Between MZ and Orpz, MZ is by far the scummier player.

I was right about titus, Im confident im right about MZ too.

-vote MattZed

I would agree with turbo lynch all these 3.

[MattZed]

Okay, no.
@Whad , if you're town, you REALLY need to stop assuming your own innocence is self-evident. Regardless of your alignment, there have been legitimately scummy things in your posts, and when people vote you for it, it doesn't make them scum. You're proposing that your EoD train was 100% scum. When has that ever happened? Really, I understand scum wanting to coordinate to save their own, but when is a train ONLY scum, especially on D1?

And besides, the "scum were voting Whad to save Titus" idea ENTIRELY misses the chronology of what happened. Crypt made a switch at last minute, long after many players would have been able to vote to save a scum partner. Hell, with how close it was, there's a very good chance a scum vote was sitting on Titus that couldn't be moved in time (*coughMeskcough*) Unless Orpz is somehow playing waaaaay better than I know him to as scum, your train was town driven and you need to accept that.

The notion that Orpz and I are scumbuddies is absurd and needs to stop right now.
@Cryptonic , if you're sincere about being okay with a SuperJack lynch, then join me. He's in my lynch pool, and if he's in yours then you should have no problem changing.

-vote SuperJack

[MattZed]

I would agree with turbo lynch all these 3.

Oh, I'm sure you would.