Day VI: No Surrender

[FM Sifa Grent]

As a cit, you should be more willing to give reads

Hmm... I'm not in right mood for doing this right now. I need to clear my mind of idle thoughts in order to come up with the fresh ideas. You don't mind waiting for some time, hmm?

[FM Masrath]

Hmm... I'm not in right mood for doing this right now. I need to clear my mind of idle thoughts in order to come up with the fresh ideas. You don't mind waiting for some time, hmm?

Sure, we've got some time.

We don't want to lynch anyone until Elspeth shows up to give her info. And you prolly won't be the one we want to lynch, anyway.

You've probably got 24 hours before Elspeth doesn't show up and we are forced to just wing it on who to lynch.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

Put aside your feelings about just how bad of a player Ral Zarek is. Do you think it's possible that he might actually be the cit slot that I gave to Sifa?

It's possible, yes. But doubtful.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

what are you leaning ravi? ral or sifa s the cit?

wait. those are the claims right? ral, sifa, and sarkhan all claim the last cit slots.

[FM Ravi Sengir]

what are you leaning ravi? ral or sifa s the cit?

wait. those are the claims right? ral, sifa, and sarkhan all claim the last cit slots.

Ugh. Hard to say. I don't really like any of them.

[FM Masrath]

what are you leaning ravi? ral or sifa s the cit?

wait. those are the claims right? ral, sifa, and sarkhan all claim the last cit slots.

Sifa, Sarkhan, and Ashiok claim cit.

I don't believe I ever saw Ral Zarek claim cit.

[FM Masrath]

Sifa, Sarkhan, and Ashiok claim cit.

I don't believe I ever saw Ral Zarek claim cit.

Also it should be noted that there's only two possible citizens left.

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

"But hey, maybe we'll get lucky and Vraska is the framer. "
-Ravi

Ravi, why would you say that Vraska is framer, given that she got a green on her?

[FM Joseph Bertrand]

I think hosts may have screwed up?
Dack claims jailed, but he was killed by the beast

[FM Nicol Bolas]

I think hosts may have screwed up?
Dack claims jailed, but he was killed by the beast

Not jailed the night he died

[FM Ral Zarek]

Joseph Bertrand
Cop - domri
Investigator - masrath
Coroner - elspeth
Random Power Militia cop - karn?
Random Power Militia - cleaned


priest - meshuval
priest - hidden
Militia Member x 2: sifa, sarkan

green militia: tessebik


by the end of d5 i thought nicol would be town because he was against lynching the medic. but now that i think about it, it also makes perfectly sense if he was the beast. so he looks more like a townie. it didn't take that much brain to see that both parcher and sorin were medics.
i doubt though that he's mafia member. so i think he's the beast or neutral killer. his interactions on the start of this day, where he wanted to lynch ashiok support this thought. besides, ashiok is imo scum aswell, very possible he's indeed cole. ashiok thinks that nicol is the beast too, based off the death note of the beast he might have further intel. and he sure wants the beast lynched. so yea i think we should lynch nicol as second lynch

-vote FM Nicol Bolas

i want a roleclaim from him

pls get a replacement for elspeth this has absolute priority
probably went afk i think. if we don't get the beast today and he isn't replaced/gives us results we should lynch him tomorrow because that means he's prolly the beast

scum list in lynch priority for today (not accounting ugin)
1. nicol
2. sandruu
3. ashiok
4. tessebik
5. ravi
6. kiora
7. Teferi
8. Xenogos

there are exactly 3 green mafs, 3 orange mafs and 3 neutrals left. i'm pretty sure these 8 and ugin are exactly these 9 scums. should be easy going from now, unless scum outnumbers us

[FM Ral Zarek]

there are no cases which cannot be solved. there's always only one truth and i'll find it

[FM Domri Rade]

there are no cases which cannot be solved. there's always only one truth and i'll find it

Based on your rolelist you don't fit into the town. Why should I believe you when you have that contradiction?

[FM Ral Zarek]

check again. one of the 2 citizen claimers might be the hidden priest. so i could be a citizen. of course i could be the hidden priest too. and i could even be a TPR if this slot wasn't cleaned but a citizen slot. either way, i am definitely town and all town slots are given out. unless tamiyo was scum, then one of my scumlist is town somehow. doubt it though

[FM Domri Rade]

check again. one of the 2 citizen claimers might be the hidden priest. so i could be a citizen. of course i could be the hidden priest too. and i could even be a TPR if this slot wasn't cleaned but a citizen slot. either way, i am definitely town and all town slots are given out. unless tamiyo was scum, then one of my scumlist is town somehow. doubt it though

Not gonna cut it right now.

[FM Domri Rade]

Tessibik, I hope you realize that you're going to have to kill Vermaaks sooner or later. Why not let the town do your dirty work? Tell us who the disguiser is. Vermaak will still be able to kill and get their 1 KPN to try and kill town. It's either that or we will seriously consider lynching you.

That would be bad for your team. Have you thought of that? Why are you trying to protect your enemy right now? Doing so only weakens your own chances of winning. What you're doing is very close to gamethrowing. Do you want to be the reason Cole's conduits lost the game?

[FM Domri Rade]

Is there anyone around here to bounce ideas off of?

[FM Ashiok]

I'll be here for the next 30 minutes but then I have to go for several hours. In case I don't get a chance later I will place my vote.

-vote FM Nicol Bolas

I believe Sarkhan over Sifa as one of the last citizens not including me. I will vote for Sifa if Meshuval says he doesn't mind lynching him.

[FM Domri Rade]

What are your thoughts to a bodyguard being in the game? Now that I think about it, the possibility is likely. If there was an investigative role alive, there would have been more claims out there. A role that wants to stay quiet only makes sense with all these citizen claims.

[FM Ashiok]

Now that I look at my list I see there are 2 unconfirmed tprs; when I thought coroner was limited to 2 cleanings total I had a second coroner as a possibility, followed by a veteran. But now I think a bodyguard is likely, I think we would have heard about a vet by now.

[FM Domri Rade]

What are your thoughts on Ugin?

I thought his lynch was too fast. Too many unconfirmed people voted him. Do you think it would be wise to assume that since so many unconfirmed players voted him that he was a citizen? Scum want a mislynch so they would want the day to get over quickly. Now that we have so many citizen claimers (yourself included) and the green citizen outed, I think chances of getting scum on a citizen lynch is likely.

[FM Ral Zarek]

lol guys you forget there was one guy cleaned. from my perspective i know his category (citizen or TPR) considering my own role and from your perspective it should be likely or at least very possible he was the last TPR, based on the many citizen claimers

[FM Domri Rade]

lol guys you forget there was one guy cleaned. from my perspective i know his category (citizen or TPR) considering my own role and from your perspective it should be likely or at least very possible he was the last TPR, based on the many citizen claimers

How do you know that he was town?

[FM Ral Zarek]

What are your thoughts on Ugin?

I thought his lynch was too fast. Too many unconfirmed people voted him. Do you think it would be wise to assume that since so many unconfirmed players voted him that he was a citizen? Scum want a mislynch so they would want the day to get over quickly. Now that we have so many citizen claimers (yourself included) and the green citizen outed, I think chances of getting scum on a citizen lynch is likely.

no way he's a citizen, there are no slots left. must be some sort of scum

[FM Ral Zarek]

How do you know that he was town?

ok yea that is the only possibility, if this is the case i don't know his category either. as i wrote above already, in this case one guy of my scum list is actually town. but i don't think it's likely that this guy was scum

[FM Domri Rade]

no way he's a citizen, there are no slots left. must be some sort of scum

I see a conflict of interest here. You, having claimed citizen, do not want us to lynch a citizen claimer. I want the truth. You assert something without giving reasoning. Very suspicious.

[FM Ashiok]

Ugin was scum. I had him listed as kidnapper because I thought his way of posting was a good mask for his night chat as kidnapper. It's possible all scum besides orange and a portion of town voted off a Vermaak. I think it is more likely he was a neutral conduit, or maybe Sasha's reaper recruit?

[FM Domri Rade]

Ugin was scum. I had him listed as kidnapper because I thought his way of posting was a good mask for his night chat as kidnapper. It's possible all scum besides orange and a portion of town voted off a Vermaak. I think it is more likely he was a neutral conduit, or maybe Sasha's reaper recruit?

See, Ral? This is reasoning.

[FM Ashiok]

What do you think of possibility Ugin was the last reaper?

[FM Ral Zarek]

I see a conflict of interest here. You, having claimed citizen, do not want us to lynch a citizen claimer. I want the truth. You assert something without giving reasoning. Very suspicious.

sry i dont understand you right now. i never claimed anything but that i am town aligned.
and why would i not want to lynch a citizen claimer? i want to lynch everyone who claims citizen apart from the real citizens, which are in my eyes sarkam and sifa (one might also be the priest)
i was just saying there are no town slots left for him, based on my role list above and based on that i am in a town slot too. that is ofc if tamiyo was town. if tamiyo was scum, someone else might be town. this someone might even be a citizen, if not i am the last citizen, which you don't know and i won't tell you yet. or it might be a TPR (bg possibly) if i am in the last citizen spot.
you want what truth?

[FM Ral Zarek]

What do you think of possibility Ugin was the last reaper?

See, Ral? This is reasoning.

yeah well this is just a clue, proofs nothing. however there not being any town slots left for him makes it pretty sure he's scum, doesn't it? so how is this not a reason

[FM Meshuvel]

What are your thoughts on Ugin?

I thought his lynch was too fast. Too many unconfirmed people voted him. Do you think it would be wise to assume that since so many unconfirmed players voted him that he was a citizen? Scum want a mislynch so they would want the day to get over quickly. Now that we have so many citizen claimers (yourself included) and the green citizen outed, I think chances of getting scum on a citizen lynch is likely.

Orange and green maf would also want beast dead.

I would rather use both lynches today to ensure we got the beast so I would like us to either focus on someone in my original beast list or pick someone you think is the beast.

Ashiok sifa and Nicol are my remaining beast short list targets. Nicol is still my strongest feel but I could be convinced to vote any of them.

[FM Domri Rade]

What do you think of possibility Ugin was the last reaper?

I frankly do not know. I think it would be impossible to say right now since there's only one reaper (at most).

[FM Ral Zarek]

What do you think of possibility Ugin was the last reaper?

oops forgot to answer this

reaper can only convert citizens, so the only possibility for the last reaper is sarkan and safi but this is really unlikely. as sarkan was obvious mason target and safi was not outed as citizen. well if one of the 2 guys is priest, there is actually another citizen who might be reaper now, but this is either me (and i'm not reaper) or the cleaned guy or (if the cleaned guy was scum and i am TPR) someone else on my scum list/ugin
last one is very unlikely though

[FM Domri Rade]

Orange and green maf would also want beast dead.

I would rather use both lynches today to ensure we got the beast so I would like us to either focus on someone in my original beast list or pick someone you think is the beast.

Ashiok sifa and Nicol are my remaining beast short list targets. Nicol is still my strongest feel but I could be convinced to vote any of them.

Tessebik is too defensive about the disguiser target. I don't think any scum wants to lynch another scum. It boggles the mind but it's what I see.

[FM Domri Rade]

oops forgot to answer this

reaper can only convert citizens, so the only possibility for the last reaper is sarkan and safi but this is really unlikely. as sarkan was obvious mason target and safi was not outed as citizen. well if one of the 2 guys is priest, there is actually another citizen who might be reaper now, but this is either me (and i'm not reaper) or the cleaned guy or (if the cleaned guy was scum and i am TPR) someone else on my scum list/ugin
last one is very unlikely though

Reaper =/= revolutionist. Reaper is the cult and can convert anyone.

[FM Meshuvel]

I frankly do not know. I think it would be impossible to say right now since there's only one reaper (at most).

Who ever is reaper doesn't matter with the exception of using him to confirm the increasingly suspicious Elspeth.

You have 1 person who is trying to win by himself without any added abilities. He is not worth even thinking about.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

If bodyguard was in the game comma he is doing a very poor job at protecting people period Even you were shot while jailed period
So I say bodyguard is not in the list

[FM Ral Zarek]

Orange and green maf would also want beast dead.

I would rather use both lynches today to ensure we got the beast so I would like us to either focus on someone in my original beast list or pick someone you think is the beast.

Ashiok sifa and Nicol are my remaining beast short list targets. Nicol is still my strongest feel but I could be convinced to vote any of them.

why ashiok? i doubt beast would request a lynch on himself. sifa is very likely citizen i think.
anyway, you are confirmed town, maybe you should try to lead a lynch on your top beast suspect, i'm sure town would follow

[FM Ral Zarek]

Reaper =/= revolutionist. Reaper is the cult and can convert anyone.

oh shit you're right
this means i have to rethink.

[FM Domri Rade]

If bodyguard was in the game comma he is doing a very poor job at protecting people period Even you were shot while jailed period
So I say bodyguard is not in the list

What else could there be? Every other role has some way to indicate its presence. There hasn't been anything that I noticed that indicates another PR.

[FM Ashiok]

I have to leave now, I assume since Meshuval suspects Sifa that he is not the last priest. My vote will remain on Nicol as he is the strongest Beast read to me.

[FM Nicol Bolas]

What else could there be? Every other role has some way to indicate its presence. There hasn't been anything that I noticed that indicates another PR.

Smart conservative gunsmith who has only given guns to people that wouldnt kill town dash those people just happen to be dead right now
Veteran
3rd medic due to extremely high kpn in this game

[FM Domri Rade]

Smart conservative gunsmith who has only given guns to people that wouldnt kill town dash those people just happen to be dead right now
Veteran
3rd medic due to extremely high kpn in this game

Doesn't disprove a bodyguard's existence. I still think there is one sulking around.

[FM Ral Zarek]

ok that means the last reaper might be:
any former scum
the cleaned guy, who could have been former scum or town
sifa, sarkam
ANY former tpr as they keep their role

so yea it might be anyone apart from priests and ns guys
and it's pretty sure that one was recruited, as recruits happen before death in OoO.
that also means that if someone who was recruited dies in same night, he would show up as reaper in graveyard so we can exclude this too.
we can also exclude that he tried to convert someone who was enforced, because it's unlikely there is an enforcer.
and we can exclude he tried to recruit the starting priest or the n1 priest target, as priests would have informed us about the failed conversion.

anyway, we shouldn't focus on the last reaper. would be nice though if we find him as it would be an additional scum kill since priests can take him out

[FM Karn]

I strongly believe that Sifa is not a citizen. I have been reading Nicol town so far, but the possible town list is diminishing and I don't think there's any other slot for Nicol.

[FM Ral Zarek]

Doesn't disprove a bodyguard's existence. I still think there is one sulking around.

yes it doesnt. there might be a bodyguard if tamiyo was not the last TPR. that's a fact

[FM Ral Zarek]

i also think green mafia is quite odd... orange disguiser takes out their consig and still they don't want to kill that disguiser lol

[FM Meshuvel]

My vote is on Nicol unless he can convince me otherwise

-vote FM Nicol Bolas

[FM Domri Rade]

i also think green mafia is quite odd... orange disguiser takes out their consig and still they don't want to kill that disguiser lol

It could be that Elspeth is the janitor who is claiming coroner but is really lying out of her ass and doesn't know shit about who the cleaned bodies are.

If Tessebik doesn't tell us who the disguiser took, then it's likely that they don't want us to verify Elspeth. Lynching whoever he names will prove Elspeth scum or town.