S-FM 361: Rectangle VS. Rhombus (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[powerofdeath]

ohhh day 1 almost over? damn that was fast, ill try to make reads and figure out a vote

[Helz]

-vote Ewianking

Duno how much I will be around but I do not want to risk not voting for end of day.

Vote count for referance:

Phraze (2):
Marshmallow Marshall, jmw
powerofdeath (1):
SuperJack
Helz (1):
Phraze
jmw (1):
Auwt
Aeoryi (1):
Gikkle
SuperJack (1):
Aeoryi

[powerofdeath]

Anyway I do think Horkos is probably town. I dont think a mafia jailor would react so negatively and openly toward me trying to render them useless.

Something about reading Superjack through out day 1 ping me as town though i havent pinpointed where.

Still figuring out if Helz is powerwolfing or being a town leader

Phraze is someone I would be down to vote today. I did not like their posts.

A lot of people are blending in like jmw, aeroyi, gikkle, auwt. I think they dont really deserve to be lynched day 1, as day 2 would probably make them more readable and we can lynch them then.

[The Lawyer]

...huh? Your reasoning needs to be explicited. This looks like a potential dumb slip lol.

As for your agreement regarding not lynching PoD, I find it strange, because it is most certainly not based on the same reasons as Helz's take. Helz does not want to lynch specific roles, which is why he wants to spare those two; it is strange of you to want to spare one, but not necessarily the other (especially considering you have not opposed any mechanical objection to sparing the bodyguard).

From a town perspective, your agreement with the PoD spare plan would thus have to be based on a behavioral read on him, which does not look very realistic to me (not just because I don't have a read on him, but because there really isn't anything to read him on at all, at least not enough to make such a strong statement about him). This leaves one option: you are sheeping Helz dishonestly because you feel like there is a read from a strong town player to sheep.

This strongly reads like scum!Lawyer interacting with town!Helz to me. I do not wish to stop pressuring Phraze, but this is a vote in spirit.

I don't believe in your spirits... If you are so convinced that I'm scum, why arent you voting me?

I'm not sheeping Helz on the PoD read... PoD is one of few players here that I've played with and I'm actually trying to read him.

Fyi Helz is not a strong town read for me. As it says in my post where I asked him about the scum slip. Which you quoted.

[powerofdeath]

I don't believe in your spirits... If you are so convinced that I'm scum, why arent you voting me?

I'm not sheeping Helz on the PoD read... PoD is one of few players here that I've played with and I'm actually trying to read him.

Fyi Helz is not a strong town read for me. As it says in my post where I asked him about the scum slip. Which you quoted.

is it bad I dont remember you? I remember you saying you played with me when I was mafia, but I only been mafia once in the last couple of years, and that was in some big mash. Before that was 10 years ago.

[powerofdeath]

Gonna ISO Phraze and I'll probably decide on my stance on him

[Auwt]

Either SJ is pocketting POD or it's the other way around.
Only time shall tell us.
And yes, if you ask me, I do believe we've a scum among those two.

Apart from that, I also believe that at least 1 scum is in the jmw-MM-Phraze pool.

[The Lawyer]

is it bad I dont remember you? I remember you saying you played with me when I was mafia, but I only been mafia once in the last couple of years, and that was in some big mash. Before that was 10 years ago.

I think it was about 7-8 years ago, the game was called "O", I was the town Sheriff and you were mafia, you fake claimed Sheriff and got me lynched, you said you were the real Sheriff and you checked me and found I was scum. So I was lynched and was a bit salty, which is probably why I still remember it

[powerofdeath]

Spoiler : ISO :

Present.

This was hilarious (did I comment on that? I don't think so).

Reading.

Okay so

Nice to finally play a forum game with Helz. Many words.

Oh yikes, everyone uses dark mode here.

I wanted to vote but didn't know how you do it here.

-vote SuperJack ??

Actually wait...
-vote Helz

-vote SuperJack

Thank you! My first vote of the day.

-vote Helz

Not a fan of role-fishing, but no strong opinion. Different sites, different meta.

Ew, dark mode. But oh well.

Role-fish as in finding out who has what roles. Also, is this my first time playing with you?

Hi, I'm kinda here now. Thoughts?

That would be interesting.

I generally throw my weight/vote around for RVS and see what sticks.

I have been playing on MU lately, but my homesite is MyAnimeList (inactive).

Hmm. I feel comfortable with this post.

Oh yes.. I think I remember you now. Vaguely.

Tryhard.

So I will probably not be around EOD.

Helz posts a lot.
SuperJack I wanna say T but, reservations for now.
Gikkle seems to be the kinda player I have trouble reading.
Marshmellow seems adamant on pushing me. Meh.

No impression from everyone else.

This is someone who is not really trying at all this game. A lot of their posts feel like theyre in RVS stage and is trying to stay there.
They voted Helz and just left, saying they wont be back.
They got defensive when MM push him and called him "tryhard".

I'm okay yeeting this slot but meh nothing about this guy scream scum either.

[powerofdeath]

I think it was about 7-8 years ago, the game was called "O", I was the town Sheriff and you were mafia, you fake claimed Sheriff and got me lynched, you said you were the real Sheriff and you checked me and found I was scum. So I was lynched and was a bit salty, which is probably why I still remember it

Yeah thats something I would do as mafia. I took like 5+ years break between 2016 to like 2022

[Auwt]

Read wall (and then I am all out of braincells for this game D1) I did double read doing separate reads on the player and their mech but kinda writing mech as a conclusion. Too tired to polish it.

Totally off the table / Outside of reason:

Tauntshaman
0 Poster and our Sheriff. Will hurt if they do not get N1.. Totally understandable given signups started literally half a year ago
Really rough for town if this slot gets smited or looses their N1. We will deal with that bullshit as it happens I guess.

Aeroyi
The BG. Honestly even if he was mafia right now I could give a fuck less. He is either a large benefit to town or a total detriment to mafia as a role. Would lynch if I had a reason but not gona burn braincells hunting on this slot. I would activly be against lynching this slot. Zero reason to waste it on them imo

Town leans / bad lynch:
(Keep in mind these are D1 soft as fuck)

Marshmallow Marshall
Walks in cautioning on applying town cred for effort. Knows me well there. Also confused by my first post which was a mess (part of why I said fuck it and posted it) and their initial reaction #25 reads well there. Follows up pressuring Phraze for content. Supports not claiming targeting and pushes against host meta RVS break. That goes on for a while and fits their view that its not a good path. They are absolutely constant in their view in both pushing against my strat and embracing RVS/Pressuring for content with votes. They did at some point actively push against what I was up to, but quite honestly I am not sure if its AI given their very healthy level of skepticism for what I do. I want to say they were in a game I I power wolfed and just marched the entire town towards hell while people sheeped me off reputation.
At the end of the day they appear to have hard pushed for the benefit of town as they see things. I do not see any position by them that could not fall into a town mindset or anything I view as opportunistic. Feels like their town play. Mid level risk and reward role but quite honestly even as I disagree with them on a very few things everything they are doing feels in line with what their view of pushing the interests of the town team is.

Powerofdeath
Not aligned with Horkos. They are keeping up with the game but have not taken many hard stances. A hand full of original contributions, asks pointed questions, certainly not sheeping or blending. They are not leveraging their vote power at all and seem to be watching things unfold..
Mechanically game breaking as scum and a mid/high level issue for scum. The bitch mode in me would rather just assume he is not scum and its broken for him to be scum but also, their play feels soft and noncommittal. They are not pushing the game forward and have a seat to be a leadership role but choose not to. I do not like that.

SuperJack
Pushes all over the place and argues for formal RVS style as they push other players to vote. I feel like this lines up with their mindset of progressing the game state. They push against mech talk and encourage classic formal RVS. Not much outside of that but its D1. Really low impact role that both Town and Mafia probably wont have much equity and feels slightly townie to me.

Neutral:

jmw
Against dictating PR's which is a good stance although I would have been much more aggressive about it and for different reasoning. Seems to have a consistent view on mech crunching. Hard questions the direction of chat and is resistant to mech breaking RVS. Supports Mech crunching on night actions each day. Skeptical while also poking reads. Not awful
The doc. Medium equity for scum and high equity for town to protect. They have been active and I do not see a reason to push them. I would be against their lynch

Phraze
Post of note would be #99 imo. I feel they really have not read the setup there. Slight town lean given they would be in some Mafia chat talking about who to kill if they were not town. Pretty much that reason alone I see them as more likely town. Also low post and reasoning getting pushed makes them feel like LHF
Very powerful role for either Town or Mafia. Still stuck on their ignorance. Would have to argue faking a town slip of not knowing the setup is open to justify them being scum so I am not in support of their lynch.

Gikkle
Calls out mech stuff with a valid point. They pay attention. Follows up with some pushes. Healthy if trying to break RVS. I do like that they push in all directions. They also push against mech RVS break but it resolves in conversation. I do dislike that they do not have a focus. While they are participating in chat they are not really driving it forward or interested in participation.
Mechanically very neutral and not of note. Would really like to see them do more to drive the conversation and take a hard stance especially given their role. Low equity in a D1 lynch imo.

Scum:

Horkos
Only a few posts and literally EVERY one of them is focused on them being able to use their night action. Not aligned with POD..
Mechanically Jailor is low equity to kill or keep alive. I would not be opposed to their lynch but I would also have a very hard "Why" given the other options

Auwt
Gut votes JWM uhhh. Pretty sure that’s it? The empty slot that vote parked JMW. Please do not consider his vote if you wagonomics late game >.> 50% sure Auwt did a vote park play to bus in an FM I was in years back. Vet role which gets a pass for analysis they have apparently decided to take pretty liberally. I could easily see them doing some distance vote and would argue M/M potential with JWM later but not much to talk about, the vote is also opportunistic if scum which is of note.. Scummy but also full speculation scummy and the game did have a half year sign up and little notification for start so ehh?

The Lawyer
Very few posts. I think their only real post not excusing their lack of posts was asking me who I would keep alive which I had basically already said. I am uncomfortable with this slot. Low Proformance and contribution while feeling the need to excuse the lack of contribution
I feel their role is decent equity on a lynch. The constantly excusing their lack of participation is not great and it’s a role with more value for scum than for town. Until the PRs that exist in the game change
They are also a bit of total speculation as opposed to actively scummy which ehh?

Ewianking
You can Iso them in like 4 posts or something. Kinda town reads myself and Gikkle and softly pokes 'The Lawyer'
Very high equity lynch. Low posts that feel blendy appeasing vocal players without taking much of a stance on anything.
I am between The Lawyer and Ewianking for a lynch.
Only a few posts and literally EVERY one of them is focused on them being able to use their night action. Not aligned with POD?
Jailor- Low equity to kill or keep alive. Also not great 100% of their posts have been night action focused. I would not be opposed to their lynch but I would also have a very hard "Why"

Take that order, remove myself, put all scum-tagged in Neutral, and reverse this order.

This would actually decently mirror my current thoughts.

[Helz]

This is someone who is not really trying at all this game. A lot of their posts feel like theyre in RVS stage and is trying to stay there.
They voted Helz and just left, saying they wont be back.
They got defensive when MM push him and called him "tryhard".

I'm okay yeeting this slot but meh nothing about this guy scream scum either.

The biggest thing I noted on them was the lack of recognizing roles are known. I fully expect Mafia players to have had conversations on that. For them to understand that, WIFOM the assumptions town would make and intentionally fake ignorance would be a pretty calculating play that does not match the effort they have put into D1 so I find it unlikely.

This view does have the bad bit of me assuming both that Mafia are active / discussing mechanics and that Phraze would be actively participating in that chat but its largely why moved away from voting them.

[Helz]

Take that order, remove myself, put all scum-tagged in Neutral, and reverse this order.

This would actually decently mirror my current thoughts.

Can you expand on that? Sounds like your saying all players are either town leans or neutral for you and your most towny neutrals are ones I have trouble seeing a tenable argument for. You have not said much this game at all and it would be good to understand your thoughts. Because of your role we basically have to sort you in day chat. Night actions are just not even an option.

[powerofdeath]

The biggest thing I noted on them was the lack of recognizing roles are known. I fully expect Mafia players to have had conversations on that. For them to understand that, WIFOM the assumptions town would make and intentionally fake ignorance would be a pretty calculating play that does not match the effort they have put into D1 so I find it unlikely.

This view does have the bad bit of me assuming both that Mafia are active / discussing mechanics and that Phraze would be actively participating in that chat but its largely why moved away from voting them.

from my experience hosting with mafia chats is that inactive players tend to make their mafia chat also quite inactive while active players will spam the chat nonstop

[Helz]

from my experience hosting with mafia chats is that inactive players tend to make their mafia chat also quite inactive while active players will spam the chat nonstop

Totally fair. That is basically the only argument I can think of for town reading them. Also why I put them in Neutral as opposed to a town lean because of the mental gymnastics I had to do to reach that conclusion.

[Auwt]

Can you expand on that? Sounds like your saying all players are either town leans or neutral for you and your most towny neutrals are ones I have trouble seeing a tenable argument for. You have not said much this game at all and it would be good to understand your thoughts. Because of your role we basically have to sort you in day chat. Night actions are just not even an option.

No, your town leans are my scum leans (missing some that are in your neutral section).
Your scum leans are my neutral (barring me).
I don't have any town lean at all.

[Helz]

No, your town leans are my scum leans (missing some that are in your neutral section).
Your scum leans are my neutral (barring me).
I don't have any town lean at all.

Well being fair only MM is my town lean. The rest is an evaluation between their lynch value and behavior.

It would really be helpful to understand why you think what you think instead of just flat stances that are not clearly said.

I am under the assumption now that your reads are something like:

Town:
Auwt

Neutral:
Ewianking
The Lawyer
Horkos
Gikkle Phraze
Jmw

Scum:
Superjack
Powerofdeath
Marshmallow Marshall

Can you explain why you find POD, SJ, and MM so scummy?

[Helz]

I will also say its of note that there is not an effort to build a counter train to Phraze. With 1 vote scattered all over the place it would take very very little effort to shift focus. I would expect the mafia team of 4 players to use that tiny bit of effort to shift if Phraze is Mafia.

I will also bring up @SuperJack although the vote counter does not reflect it your technically at 2 votes and tied with Phraze.

Duno if I have ever seen a game without even self preservation like this.

[Gikkle]

don't have much time to play/flesh out my reads before EoD but some thoughts (i already spent more time on this than i should have despite it's brevity, i gotta go like... now)

liked #187 by MM, felt like it came from a town perspective inasmuch as MM justified liking Helz's post by saying "they got my perspective right", which overall just gives me the impression of a town!MM having an actual internal perspective & feeling genuinely gratified to see it being presented properly. Also just generally like how MM's been pressuring The Lawyer.

ewian and jmw i think I'll be able to read better given time, but ewian giving me any town points without saying his standard "gikkle is a rat" sets off alarm bells, and jmw i have no clue

Tauntshaman is inactive

aeoryi/phraze/superjack occupy similar spots of "has posted but has stayed under the radar".

auwt acting like a lone wolf/living in his own world focused on his own conclusions is iirc scum indicative for him, but then again my meta is super old so not 100% sure. But I recall him as town being more engaged in conversation rather than just saying his conclusions.

somewhat agree w/ PoD that Horkos' response to their role being invalidated is >rand townie? Although since they're new not like, super duper townie since I could totally see a newer scum player reacting like that.

on the topic of PoD they feel a bit different this game than I remember them from the past? Feels more serious/calculated than I remember. Idk. Conversely I find him blocking off the jailor route immediately every so slightly >rand townie since I feel like mafia may want to keep the option of leaving it to the jailor open (at least until they ascertain whether horkos is someone they can manipulate or not)

liked Lawyer's paranoia/seeming inability to read Helz, I know I said I liked MM's push here but I don't actually agree with it lol.

tentative reads list


Helz
Marshmallow Marshall
-
Horkos
The Lawyer
PoD
-
Tauntshaman
Phraze
SuperJack
Aeoryi
Jmw
-
Ewianking
Auwt

-vote Auwt

[powerofdeath]

I will also say its of note that there is not an effort to build a counter train to Phraze. With 1 vote scattered all over the place it would take very very little effort to shift focus. I would expect the mafia team of 4 players to use that tiny bit of effort to shift if Phraze is Mafia.

I will also bring up @SuperJack although the vote counter does not reflect it your technically at 2 votes and tied with Phraze.

Duno if I have ever seen a game without even self preservation like this.

votes being so spread out actually give mayor a lot of power in this situation

[powerofdeath]

Helz can you make a case on ewianking?

[ewianking]

don't have much time to play/flesh out my reads before EoD but some thoughts (i already spent more time on this than i should have despite it's brevity, i gotta go like... now)

liked #187 by MM, felt like it came from a town perspective inasmuch as MM justified liking Helz's post by saying "they got my perspective right", which overall just gives me the impression of a town!MM having an actual internal perspective & feeling genuinely gratified to see it being presented properly. Also just generally like how MM's been pressuring The Lawyer.

ewian and jmw i think I'll be able to read better given time, but ewian giving me any town points without saying his standard "gikkle is a rat" sets off alarm bells, and jmw i have no clue

Tauntshaman is inactive

aeoryi/phraze/superjack occupy similar spots of "has posted but has stayed under the radar".

auwt acting like a lone wolf/living in his own world focused on his own conclusions is iirc scum indicative for him, but then again my meta is super old so not 100% sure. But I recall him as town being more engaged in conversation rather than just saying his conclusions.

somewhat agree w/ PoD that Horkos' response to their role being invalidated is >rand townie? Although since they're new not like, super duper townie since I could totally see a newer scum player reacting like that.

on the topic of PoD they feel a bit different this game than I remember them from the past? Feels more serious/calculated than I remember. Idk. Conversely I find him blocking off the jailor route immediately every so slightly >rand townie since I feel like mafia may want to keep the option of leaving it to the jailor open (at least until they ascertain whether horkos is someone they can manipulate or not)

liked Lawyer's paranoia/seeming inability to read Helz, I know I said I liked MM's push here but I don't actually agree with it lol.

tentative reads list


Helz
Marshmallow Marshall
-
Horkos
The Lawyer
PoD
-
Tauntshaman
Phraze
SuperJack
Aeoryi
Jmw
-
Ewianking
Auwt

-vote Auwt

I don’t call you a rat every game
Just most games smh

[ewianking]

And deservingly so most of the time

Anyways

I find it funny that Helz’s entire reason on me is you can iso me in 4 posts , :skull:
Did a quick skim jmw feels lacking
I would have expected a push on me at some point after making a big deal of wanting to see more from me.

[Helz]

votes being so spread out actually give mayor a lot of power in this situation

It very much does. You could immediately make one of a large portion of the players the top train. Its a question of what you want to do with that power.

I think they are so spread out because the town has not built a decent case on anyone and the scum is complacently happy letting the clock run down with the situation as it is. We legit only have 8 players even bothering to vote.

Also brings up my lizard brain questioning if Mafia Jailor could be a motivation in not seeing a lynch.

[ewianking]

Jmw/ helz can see a pair here

Gikkle probably not paired with marsh

Marsh/helz not w/w
4 rhombus and due to general vibe of thread I want to predict 1-2 scums in inactivity and definitely one scum posted by now.

[ewianking]

Oh great lol just noticed smth lmao

[Helz]

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I apologize for posting like this. Don’t have the time to deal with mobile bullshit and the server is doing some really stupid shit again

[Helz]

(Same reply as above but not stupid. If anyone else is having server issues it seems running a proxi deals with it. Probably something related to the net neutrality bullshit they crammed down Americas throat)

Helz can you make a case on ewianking?

Sure

I find it funny that Helz’s entire reason on me is you can iso me in 4 posts , :skull:
Did a quick skim jmw feels lacking
I would have expected a push on me at some point after making a big deal of wanting to see more from me.

Its not just that. Mechanically your role is of massive value to the mafia. As town you could very easily be a determent. Something like 8 years ago I made an effort to quantify quite a few things in Mafia to consider balance in function and one finding was Vigs are objectively a net negative for town. (That is to say, if you want to increase the odds of mafia winning putting a Vig in the game for town on average helps that happen)
That said- Your role is between a HUGE benefit to the Mafia or a coin toss with bad odds of being great for the town. Low risk high reward in the loss of your PR.

Then I look at the 4 posts. I see soft stances that feel bendy buddying up to vocal town. I do not see scum hunting or pushing to break RVS or generally towny behavior. Even now you seem more survival focused than building a case making vague statements.
So you tell me. Why should anyone town read you? Who do you think is the Mafia?

I am curious if you even feel there is a reason you should be townread as opposed to pushing "I did not quite catch you correctly" Your basically the bottom of my soft POE and low risk high reward.

[oliverz144]

Day ends in 15 minutes.
Remember to send in Your Day Actions by then!

[Helz]

Day ends in 15 minutes.
Remember to send in Your Day Actions by then!

Can a Jailed Rhombus use the factional kill?
Can a Role Blocked Rhombus use the factional kill?
Would a jailed player be given protection/immunity from being killed?
Can a Jailed player be Bus Driven? If a Jailed player is Bus Driven would attacks or jailed immunity swap Locations?

[ewianking]

(Same reply as above but not stupid. If anyone else is having server issues it seems running a proxi deals with it. Probably something related to the net neutrality bullshit they crammed down Americas throat)



Sure



Its not just that. Mechanically your role is of massive value to the mafia. As town you could very easily be a determent. Something like 8 years ago I made an effort to quantify quite a few things in Mafia to consider balance in function and one finding was Vigs are objectively a net negative for town. (That is to say, if you want to increase the odds of mafia winning putting a Vig in the game for town on average helps that happen)
That said- Your role is between a HUGE benefit to the Mafia or a coin toss with bad odds of being great for the town. Low risk high reward in the loss of your PR.

Then I look at the 4 posts. I see soft stances that feel bendy buddying up to vocal town. I do not see scum hunting or pushing to break RVS or generally towny behavior. Even now you seem more survival focused than building a case making vague statements.
So you tell me. Why should anyone town read you? Who do you think is the Mafia?

I am curious if you even feel there is a reason you should be townread as opposed to pushing "I did not quite catch you correctly" Your basically the bottom of my soft POE and low risk high reward.

Low key I didn’t realize our roles were fully exposed till like 1 hour ago so

[Helz]

@Horkos Best of luck. Please be able to justify why you did what you did. You will be held accountable and a soft reason for killing a player that flipped town will not go over well.

[Helz]

Low key I didn’t realize our roles were fully exposed till like 1 hour ago so

I do not think you are the only one. Also why I am pushing mech so much and people seem to be offset by me doing so.

[oliverz144]

Can a Jailed Rhombus use the factional kill?
Can a Role Blocked Rhombus use the factional kill?
Would a jailed player be given protection/immunity from being killed?
Can a Jailed player be Bus Driven? If a Jailed player is Bus Driven would attacks or jailed immunity swap Locations?

A jailed player is roleblocked and can not use any actions.
A roleblock blocks all Actions below him in the OOO, including all kills.
Jailed players are NOT protected against any kills.
The jailing happens before the Bus driver in the OOO.

[oliverz144]

Day 1 ended. Standby!

[oliverz144]

EOD1 Votecount:

Phraze (2):
Marshmallow Marshall, jmw

powerofdeath (1):
SuperJack

Helz (1):
Phraze

jmw (1):
Auwt

Auwt (1):
Gikkle

SuperJack (1):
Aeoryi

ewianking (1):
Helz


A majority was NOT reached.
Nobody was executed.

Night 1 will last until Thursday, 6th of February, 4PM Washington DC time.
Remember to send in Your Actions by then!

[oliverz144]

Night 1 has ended!
MM has Died:
MM was a Rectangle

[oliverz144]

Day 2 begins!
Day 2 will end in 47 hours and 34 minutes, Saturday, the eigth, at 4PM Washington DC!

[oliverz144]

guys, help me out, how do i reset the vote count?

[oliverz144]

Now we got a new Votecount!
Day has changed.

[powerofdeath]

Well, now knowing we need 7 votes to lynch someone this will be tough, need everyone to be on same page today.

I’m in favor of having everyone claiming their night actions. I was jailed last night.

[Helz]

Well, now knowing we need 7 votes to lynch someone this will be tough, need everyone to be on same page today.

I’m in favor of having everyone claiming their night actions. I was jailed last night.

How truly odd. How did that conversation go?

I had no actions I possibly could take last night.

[ewianking]

No action last night

[powerofdeath]

How truly odd. How did that conversation go?

I had no actions I possibly could take last night.

he said he was gonna execute me and told me he think he can get away with it, then like 20 min before night end he was like jk see u tmrw, thats all was discussed in jail chat, i kinda spent the whole night thinking he was mafia executing me

[Helz]

he said he was gonna execute me and told me he think he can get away with it, then like 20 min before night end he was like jk see u tmrw, thats all was discussed in jail chat, i kinda spent the whole night thinking he was mafia executing me

Sounds on par with a solidly experienced SC2 jailor running a reaction test. Any thoughts on you being the target or how they went about it? Could also consider if dumping logs is an option or against the rules for people to hunt off

[The Lawyer]

Post #211

I don't like how Helz is defending Phraze in his reads. Saying that Phraze didn't know that roles were outed and therefore shouldnt be lynched yet. Also tries to clear him for mechanical reasons. This looks like Helz is a power wolf trying to clear his teammate.

Phraze #75 : shows up D1, votes SuperJack but then votes Helz and leaves his vote there. Weird. This is probably him trying to distance from Helz.

[The Lawyer]

#166 MM voted Phraze. I think MM had a good feeling about Phraze. That is probably one of the reasons why MM is dead now.

[Helz]

Post #211

I don't like how Helz is defending Phraze in his reads. Saying that Phraze didn't know that roles were outed and therefore shouldnt be lynched yet. Also tries to clear him for mechanical reasons. This looks like Helz is a power wolf trying to clear his teammate.

Phraze #75 : shows up D1, votes SuperJack but then votes Helz and leaves his vote there. Weird. This is probably him trying to distance from Helz.

We can certainly unpack that in a bit.

Any other reads or thoughts on the claimed actions? Any feedback and actions you would like to claim to help us with the mechanical side?

[The Lawyer]

#175 Helz townreads Aeroyi for no reason at all. Says he doesnt want to waste a lynch on him. Suspicios, especially when we consider the fact that Helz has no problem with lynching me because of my low activity and contribution. I admit that my low activity and contribution D1 probably doesnt make me look good, but Phraze isn't any better than me in this respect, so I see defending Phraze while wanting to lynch me as hypocritical.

[The Lawyer]

We can certainly unpack that in a bit.

Any other reads or thoughts on the claimed actions? Any feedback and actions you would like to claim to help us with the mechanical side?

I have no problem with claiming my night action but will only claim if the majority of players agree that everyone should claim.