I knew CmG was Jack because he said to nuke Indonesia :P
Congratulations town! You guys really pulled it together at the end there :P
When there were 4 players left, my plan was to post full reads on everybody, maintain my scum read on Tut, but eventually after much thought and debate get convinced of Gimli scum. Gimli flips town, and then I tell Cluseau "I TOLD YOU, ITS TUT!!!!" and then we lynch Tut and scum wins. Unfortunately, I think Tut's untimely modkill while I wasn't available to do damage control and discredit Gimli was pretty bad for me. I had a lot of fun though! Thanks everyone for the player's choice award! :]
Some thoughts on the game:
Town:
Aghanim - For the longest time I was absolutely convinced you were sk based on the way you strongly insisted I was a town read after the night I was attacked by the sk. I think that as town, you have a really good presence in chat, but you could improve by having better followup on all the questions you ask in chat. A good town player will ask people questions just to get people talking, but a great town player will ask questions with intent and purpose (and follow up with analysis of the answers received).
Anubis - Great job! I found your actions really pro-town the whole game. You played citizen well! :] I think that fake doctor claims as a citizen have to be done with caution, but you knew when it was time to expose your intentions and let Rubber Ducky self destruct :P
Captain Obvious - On the night I attacked you with the vig, I was sending mental messages to Damus (who I thought was scum) that I would continue to witch/kill the "Obvious" targets. I haven't played much with you, but I hope to come across you in an upcoming S-FM or M-FM :]
Ceasar - Oh Auckmid! Why didn't you give me a gun!? I wanted one so badly!! :P Every FM I play, you end up leading your faction to victory. A well deserved Town MVP! I'm so glad people ignored your first post analysis! I did my best to clog up the chat with text walls to bury yours :P
Col Jack ONeill - Great job Raptorblaze! I think I had a bit of a negative view on you as a FM player ever since reading you as Faykan in FM 14 when you kinda exposed the jailor, so I was pleasantly surprised to see your COM behind this anon account! You're definitely improving!! :]
Cookie Monster - Lol Fatalis. I totally didn't realize you were behind the Cookie Monster account. For some reason I thought it was AppleyNO :P You did a lot of good stuff this game, but I remember really wanting you to understand that your FoS of lurkers needs to take into consideration scum or town motivation behind lurking. I betcha read the whole setup this time :P Keep being awesome! :]
Gandalf - People kind of gave me a hard time about flip-flopping on your lynch, but even if I was town I would still find it 100% scummy that you came up with a convenient doctor claim to prolong your FM life. Yes, you put out the huge "IM ACTUALLY CIT FAKE CLAIMING DOC" flags when you posted that the other doc should not heal you and you would not be healing any of the sheriffs, but it seemed just as easy to flip "IM ACTUALLY SCUM FAKE CLAIMING DOC". However, I appreciate your playstyle and was secretly relieved that you got lynched early! :P
Gimli - OMG WHO ARE YOU! Y U FOIL MY CHANCES OF WINNING!!! I'd quite like to play another game with you where you're in from the beginning instead of replacing in. Well done! You kept pointing out all the posts I wished I had worded differently and it kept making me really uncomfortable (in a good way).
Indiana Jones - Where was the hyperactive AppleyNO who always seems to know when I'm scum!!! :[ Don't beat yourself up too much about it though!
Inspector Cluseau - Slaol no!!!! You were supposed to remember Damus's SFM when we were both citizens who didn't trust each other and then pulled out the win. If I was on when Tut was modkilled what's the chance you would have voted Gimli with me? :P
Jack Sparrow - I laughed so hard when Damus called you out D1 for "being consig" and you started getting rage-y. Why are we never of the same alignment? :[
King Arthur - Always fun playing with you, BorkBot! When you started calling me witch, I thought you might be sk. :P
Sherlock - This wasn't your best game, but I guess I only say that because I know what you're capable of when you have the time to invest into a game. Don't let the haters get you down!
Scum:
Locutus - I had absolutely no idea you were Ginger! Thought you were King Tut due to the cute avatar :P
Pinkie Pie - Woah it's Nick! Come back and play more MFM/SFM's with me!
Rubber Ducky - I totally didn't think you would be the sk. I was actually shocked when I saw the flip. You did pretty well especially with your night kills (except for that fail doctor claim) :[
Wolverine - Congrats on scum MVP!! You did super well for your (first?) FM! :] I was pleasantly pleased by the nice synergy of our night actions (even though I kept sending mind-messages to Damus the whole game) :P
FM Game Master:
1- Did you enjoy the less follow the PR type game?
Yes, but I thought it was funny that it was still town following the PR's for most of the game. Perhaps if instead of 2 sheriffs, 2 doctors you put in 4 sheriffs, no doctors that would have discouraged sheriffs to out their results so early.
2- Was the voting mechanics easy to use?
Honestly, not really. People kept saying I fail voted when I had absolutely no intention of fail voting the whole game. Also, if the vote tally could be made chronologically that would be an immense help. Shouldn't be too hard to implement, right?
3- What would you change if you were hosting this game?
I'd like to see you host a closed setup with no last wills. Just tell us the game is properly balanced and we can go from there. It's more interesting that way! Also, I agree with Ash about not including all players who sign up in the game. A healthy reserves pile is always better than mass modkills. Ideally you'd create a balanced setup and not have to even factor in modkills.
and most of all
4- Did you have fun?
Yep! Thanks Yayap for hosting! :]
The haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Others knew it on day 1. Also, please consider me dense, it is good for future meta for me. I also knew you on day 4ish, having no past FMs to observe. So well done, you are officially not good at meta. Also, don't post videos that have video suggestions after them that have the game that your avatar is from.
Clem- 0. I had you on like day 5, and only FoS'd Gmli to see you react. Your final chance was to lynch me on day J, which was commented on that day when i stated that I was the only thing between the Witch and victory.
I was really just mad when the extra day of megalulz that I had planned for was taken from me You troll all game and don't even get to complete it.
Last edited by Slaol; January 19th, 2013 at 03:25 AM.
Good game everyone. It was a lot of fun, for the short time I was alive. Auckmid, congrats on winning MVP... you've been playing long enough to deserve it at least once.
Yayap,
1. Yes. But there was still too much following the PR's.
2. Yep.
3. Don't admit people who are going to lurk as cits. Don't have any confirmed doctors, or have only one confirmed investigative role. Make citizens think for themselves. As hopeless as that goal might be.
4. Absolutely. Sad it's over.
FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason
Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio
game was good but it SUCKED for me to be modkilled so early on just as my plan was unfolding. who pushed for a wolverine lynch on d3? hamburglar <--
told you he was scum. besides that getting modkilled for using a FM players name in different context (but with quote to rofl which was my mistake) in CJ makes me scratch my head. game sucked for me for this reason and I want another blazer FM. coulda done a lot more then my replacement, he failed on using his gun right.
G: 15 | W: 13 | MVP: 2S-FM Casino: Town (WIN) S-FM BSDL:Detective (WIN)S-FM PCS: Subject X (Arsonist) (WIN/MVP) S-FM Mani: Citizen (WIN) FM-XV Rebel/Haunter (WIN) S-FM Prelude: doctor (WIN/MVP) S-FM HotD: (town/loss) S-FM L&D: Lookout (WIN) S-FM BL: Framer (WIN) M-FM XIII Vigilante/Subject XVI (WIN/MVRIP) S-FM SE: Mafioso: (WIN) S-FM Flashmob 1: Doctor (Win) Fmob 2: SK (Coulda/Woulda/Shoulda) S-FM BT: Sheriff (WIN) S-FM Websites: Citizen (WIN)
Thanks for anyone who supported my modkill complaint. Gratz to the MVPs. Especially auckmid. auckmid def mvp.
and grats sloal for MVP, too
I take all credit for Gimli surviving to the end.
In game name: Sam
The haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
You were Gandalf!? Lol. I thought he was Elixir. I've never played with Elixir, but I thought you were from the Australian timezone since you were posting when I was on. You also don't post the messed up apostrophes that come from European keyboards!
But if people associate you with the phrase 'MVP' even when you don't win MVP, won't they pay attention to you and kill you off anyway? Aren't you and Yayap supposed to have a MVP duel-off sometime? Does he ever play FM anymore or just host?
The haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Haha I might have done the same if not for the consigliere checking you. However this was the one reason I was glad to be on everyone's scum list: I knew as long as I looked suspicious, even if you thought I was town you wouldn't want to run Sherlock my way in hopes of getting me mislynched.
I only asked because there was a point when I tried to communicate to you that I knew you were witch so you would know I was also scum, but I was never sure if you got the message so I wanted to see if you had.
Well, seeing that King Arthur called me witch, Wile E Coyote called me witch, Cluseau called me witch, you called me witch, etc. It was more of a scumtell to me that Aghanim was calling me town so vigorously. LOL.
Edit: Broken multi-quotes again! I forgot that I can edit posts here. But I can! Horay!
The haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Noap. They consider my MVP claims to be trolling and uselessness, and overboasted ego more than a threat. I am disregarded until I can find real leads and coordinate. It is working so well I can even tell everyone it is by design and they don't care.
Yea, for the record...
Slaol: 1
Yayap: 0
Until you find 3 scum on day 1 and proceed to correctly deduce the remaining scum day 2-3 or so.
I won't consider you a mini- Yayap
FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason
Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio
It will be more difficult to identify scum in one day since WIFOM diversity of players had increased, an influx of new players, anonymous accounts and high number of players.
If you put in the effort, you can actually talk like someone else, change your apparent WIFOM level and seem to be living in another timezone. That is, if you bother putting in the effort to hide.
I have multiple times... except I have been scum so I don't tell everyone.
FM5: Ask Elixir for FM5, he might remember my notes when I was the Student that joined the Cult Leader.
FM7: Illidan and Raiden would remember me knowing the other scum as Framer. Look at the Orange night chats.
FM8: I knew 1 from the start and refused to share info with him in a night chat, and pushed for lynched the ventrilo when everyone was trying to lynch the disguiser based on cheating info.
FM12: a little less, but still was able to know what the PRs were doing as well as kill the correct scum at the end to give myself a chance.
The haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
I suspected you to be scum early on.
I only abandoned it because there were other more important FoS's such as Rubber Ducky and that undetectable GF and Witch.
I suspected you to be Mafioso though tbh.
Later on in the day everyone but Frog, at the time, Ceasar, and Sherlock were playing like shit and being useless and therefore distracting from scumhunting.
If they had been more serious about the game You would have been lynched before Spongebob. imo
Kill targets.
N2
N3In no particular order
FM Mr Bunny
FM Indiana Jones
FM Rubber Ducky
FM Yoda
50% accuracy...1. FM Ceaser
2. FM Captain Obvious
3.FM King Tut
4. FM Count von Count
Choosing criteria. Do not want to stand out when participating, do not want to be considered lurker.
Conclusion: Methodology semi-worked.
Method failed to identify:
a) Sherlock - While vigilantes are not afraid to be shot at night thus may lurk, Sherlock participated actively. But fear of death (from town) is too strong, messing up reads
b) Joker - totally uninterested in game
c) Yosemite Sam - another lurker saved by early reveal
d) Kermit - fit the role of killer PR who is unafraid to lurk
e) Frog - Defied norms. But trapped by early move.
Hmm... need some other criteria to flush out killer PRs. Scum/PRs who stand out too much will still inadvertently die when active players are targeted/checked. Hopefully lurkers will be modkilled.
Yayap, you forget FM4, which was promising to be one of the most fun FM's till certain people ruined it.
FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason
Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio
It was a joke. The phrase "WIFOM master" is yours, not mine. But I do think you're lying to save face.
I know. I agree with you. Everyone suspected me early on. I believe it to be the only reason I was lynched later, because basically after ~day 3 all of my posts were pretty pro-town. I just couldn't get away from those first few days where I was still figuring out the FM. I don't actually think I'm the "WIFOM master", That phrase was Slaol's, and I quoted it to make a joke.
I am, however, fairly confident that next time I am scum I will be able to play the entire game as I did in this one after ~day 3 (ie. towny as hell) and thus be able to avoid suspicion for much longer, if not the whole game. And if I'm town, well... I guess we'll see.
Please don't take my everyone excluding certain people playing as shit to include you.
You played well.
The biggest reason I had indicated you to be scum was this:
I asked certain people for their thoughts on pre-selected targets who seemed Town, Scum, Neutral.
Then depending on how soon, how well organized, and content within, would make me think scum or town.
You made the Town read look like a possible scum. The Neutral to be a possible scum. An the Scum as a plausible Town. All while giving as little information as possible to support you read and not giving out a read at all.
Then when I called you scum you reacted quickly and in a manner that spoke to me to mean: What did I do to get catch so early on?!!?!?!
Therefore scum.
But GG truly. Well deserved MVP
Last edited by Damus_Graves; January 20th, 2013 at 11:14 AM.
Who is this 'Gerik' guy and why is he MVP?????
Spoiler : Forum Mafia :
No no.
He was the smartest scum player who was able to take lead the mafia and make intelligent choices of kill targets as to not overlap with the witch.
He was able to continue the confusion of which lurker was scum and avoid placing a FoS on Frog by anyone other than the fail troll Slaol.
@Ash
Scum lost because there was a shitton of citizens