S-FM 352: ★ Silent Night 2 ★

[Dark Magician]

That particular aspect of their interaction was making me think they were more likely to be aligned.
My belief that they aren't S/S is based on other aspects of said.

You could have just said they are likely to be both town from that interaction but ok.

Obviously I disagree with MM, do you think their overly defensive reaction to Wiisp is normal for them?

[Ultra]

Why? I feel like all I got was them arguing with MM

Mac might also be town but that's a very slight town lean

-vote ikarusdk

Fine with building a wagon to 3 and seeing where it goes, something about having all nulls as this point rubs me the wrong way

What is this progression

You were on MM's wagon, so why do you take exception to me arguing with them?

Why do you fold instantly upon intervention and join my wagon?

Pls and thank you

[Achro]

I feel like they were trying to say or hint at they feel like they are aligned.
Similar to what Loldebite said and they didn’t even consider the TvW aspect or have mention of it.

That’s why I feel like they are confident in it being aligned, do you disagree?

Yes, because their language said 'more likely', which isn't really any different than any two slots being both town math wise, and then after they said they aren't confident in their ways lol.

I just didnt feel any confidence in that read from them.

[Ultra]

I am so down to towncore with you here lol

I got you Ikarus and Martin as strong town... sabi townlean

Wisp light sus

dark Magician, Marshall quite wolfy

What do you find wolfy about Marsh Man?

Decided to lighten up on him a bit before bed as I realized I might have been tunneling but not quite town reading him either

[Stellaria]

I kind of get good vibes from Achro's weird neutral claim thing.

[Arrow]

YOU, HERE? IMPOSSIBLE. This almost deserves a RVS vote of welcome, but I have yet to catch up to see if there's a better place for it.

Hahah.

Also jesus you guys are active while I was sleeping.

[TheBananaBaroness]

Yo

[TheBananaBaroness]

OOoooooooo it is I, the ghost of Banana past

Btw I was preapproved to HYDRA with BananaCucho, gl hf everyone, no rage quits pls

[Dark Magician]

What is this progression

You were on MM's wagon, so why do you take exception to me arguing with them?

Why do you fold instantly upon intervention and join my wagon?

Pls and thank you

I could honestly see something like MM, Mac and Wiisp.

Wiisp and MM doing distancing and Mac just being Wolf!Mac.

[Dark Magician]

Yes, because their language said 'more likely', which isn't really any different than any two slots being both town math wise, and then after they said they aren't confident in their ways lol.

I just didnt feel any confidence in that read from them.

Alright, perhaps we just share different opinions on the read.

Let’s wait for them to get on so they can explain their confidence level on the read and if they think TvW is possible and if it’s not, they should explain how so.

[Wiisp]

I’m kinda leaning the opposite.
I don’t see exactly where their progression was to form a townread on me came from.

Try pressuring him then

[TheBananaBaroness]

-vote Wiisp

Gut feeling wheee

[Wiisp]

What is this progression

You were on MM's wagon, so why do you take exception to me arguing with them?

Why do you fold instantly upon intervention and join my wagon?

Pls and thank you

Because town me does w/e the hell they want lol

[TheBananaBaroness]

I'm most way through page two but gotta jet, will be back later, anyone wanna ask me anything before I leave tho

[Dark Magician]

I think right now, other than Achro.

My Townreads are Ultra, Stella and maybe that cat girl.



I like Ultra’s tone here, the way they interacted with MM and the way they are talking about wisp here feels tone town to me.

[Wiisp]

Doesn't feel like their is enough tmi in Mac's reads yet, but this is still probably closer to their wolf game, but I'm not in the mood to tango with Mac at any point this game

[Wiisp]

Also if u think I'm a wolf day 1, I'm 90% of the time, town
And the other 10% you aren't lynching me anyways

[Wiisp]

I think right now, other than Achro.

My Townreads are Ultra, Stella and maybe that cat girl.



I like Ultra’s tone here, the way they interacted with MM and the way they are talking about wisp here feels tone town to me.

Tonally aggressive isn't something I would call townie in itself unless u have some context

[Ultra]

Because town me does w/e the hell they want lol

That doesn't actually explain anything

[Dark Magician]

I kind of get good vibes from Achro's weird neutral claim thing.

I take it your referring to in the way of “They are being truthful about their Neut claim”?

[Dark Magician]

Because town me does w/e the hell they want lol

I can relate to this.

Also I agree with your idea here,

-vote Mac

I’ll use this Pressure so they explain their progression on my slot.

I still have no clue how my 2 bad posts make me town, no where did they show they town read me, heck they even called me wolfy, but they said I am town.

Like I would like to know where they came to this conclusion.
This could be a terrible attempt at pocketing if Mac is wolf here, if you would even call it that.

[Dark Magician]

Before someone goes and looks at the MM, Mac and Wiisp and goes “where’s your Wiisp wolf read?”

Thing is, I don’t directly wolf read them tbh.
But I can see how they can be wolf here, so the team can make sense.

[Wiisp]

That doesn't actually explain anything

I never implied it answered anything directly, im telling u my playstyle, if u want to read into all all my movement, thr key point here is movement which makes me more likely to be townie since I'm way more strategic with my wolf votes

[Dark Magician]

Tonally aggressive isn't something I would call townie in itself unless u have some context

When did I say their aggressiveness?

I was referring to the comment “What is this progression” and in regards to MM I believe they said something like “I wonder what MM is gonna come at me with” or something like that.

[Ultra]

Also if u think I'm a wolf day 1, I'm 90% of the time, town
And the other 10% you aren't lynching me anyways

Challenge accepted

-vote Wiisp

[Wiisp]

When did I say their aggressiveness?

I was referring to the comment “What is this progression” and in regards to MM I believe they said something like “I wonder what MM is gonna come at me with” or something like that.

That's my assumption sorry, and I don't read "wonder what they are gunna come at me with" as townie

Anyone can call out someone's progression, why does it make them townie?

[Ultra]

I never implied it answered anything directly, im telling u my playstyle, if u want to read into all all my movement, thr key point here is movement which makes me more likely to be townie since I'm way more strategic with my wolf votes

...I don't give a rat's behind about your playstyle, I asked you a question and you said "IDK I'm so random XD". That doesn't tell me anything about your thought process.

[Wiisp]

Anyways I'm stuck in a very busy day at work
So toodles

[Wiisp]

...I don't give a rat's behind about your playstyle, I asked you a question and you said "IDK I'm so random XD". That doesn't tell me anything about your thought process.

And? My job isn't to help you read me, it's for me to vote wolves

[Loldebite]

I could honestly see something like MM, Mac and Wiisp.

Wiisp and MM doing distancing and Mac just being Wolf!Mac.

Now that butting in feels agenda-y

[Loldebite]

Also if u think I'm a wolf day 1, I'm 90% of the time, town
And the other 10% you aren't lynching me anyways

Wish I could TR you for that but I don't know you enough sadly.

I'll go with a small TL tho.

[Loldebite]

You could have just said they are likely to be both town from that interaction but ok.

Obviously I disagree with MM, do you think their overly defensive reaction to Wiisp is normal for them?

I could've, but I would've been lying if I said that interaction made me think that. As I said, that particular interaction made me think they were aligned, and another one made me think they weren't S/S.

The reaction to wisp is indeed weird in retrospect, but it didn't strike me as odd in context, I think it's fine if you read it in a fucking-around way which did fit with MM's alledged mental state at the time. That is why I don't SL MM.

None of those things are strong opinions of mine, they are very likely to evolve

Addendum : this was supposed to be posted earlier, apawlogies

[Dark Magician]

That doesn't actually explain anything

Challenge accepted

-vote Wiisp

That doesn't actually explain anything

Challenge accepted

-vote Wiisp

...I don't give a rat's behind about your playstyle, I asked you a question and you said "IDK I'm so random XD". That doesn't tell me anything about your thought process.

The Tone Ultra gives me feels like tone town to me.
The way they have handled thread gives off this certain attitude that I feel comes more from a Townie.

Tone Reads aren’t Logic Reads but they are social reads.
As in
“This player sounds good” is a Tone Read
“This player has done this to this person and that person flipped wolf” is a Logic Read.

[Loldebite]

I can relate to this.

Also I agree with your idea here,

-vote Mac

I’ll use this Pressure so they explain their progression on my slot.

I still have no clue how my 2 bad posts make me town, no where did they show they town read me, heck they even called me wolfy, but they said I am town.

Like I would like to know where they came to this conclusion.
This could be a terrible attempt at pocketing if Mac is wolf here, if you would even call it that.

Starting to get a strong feeling that you're one of those players I don't get

idk, it's still the first 24hs and it feels like you're out with a mission you're intending on accomplishing with guns blazing and buildings torched, which is not bad, definitely much better than apathy but like why are you so final ? Or is that me ? Or just you ? Idk

[Achro]

Ah so one of my win cons is a fusion of executioner and warlock u believe it was. I can mark a player. If that player is chopped the next day 2 times I also leave you to your own devices.

I will decide at night who to mark and say who it was and why the next day. If everyone disagrees with it then I will just keep trying to help.

[Dark Magician]

And? My job isn't to help you read me, it's for me to vote wolves

Well yes and no?

As town, your goal is to find town and hunt wolves.
you should as well, try and show why your a town member so the other town can find you.

[Dark Magician]

Now that butting in feels agenda-y

How so?
I was giving my opinion on a team solve.

[Loldebite]

And? My job isn't to help you read me, it's for me to vote wolves

Uh. It is, tho lol

that right after a slight AtE is making all kinds of alarms go off

you're not TL anymore

in fact you're SL

[Loldebite]

How so?
I was giving my opinion on a team solve.

Because I don't trust you to have three-way pairing opinions strong enough to be worth of mentioning this early. I just don't buy it. Yeah, yeah, skissue, I know, I know, whatever

[Loldebite]

Like you give an argument for MM/Wisp and state "mac's just mac lol" and that's supposed to be an argument for a 3 way pairing worthy of a post ? My gut and brain both tell me it's more likely to be shade

[Dark Magician]

Lolde.
So you said at one point you said you seen them as aligned and another not W/W.

What was said by them that you thought could have still been W/W?

Also what’s “so final”? I don’t understand your last post on me when I voted Mac.
You also never mentioned Mac or my vote on them in that post either.

[Achro]

I would consider dark magician to be obvious town due ro them thinking someone was confidently stating something when in that post the person said they are wrong all the time.

Wolves try to have precise arguments and to hide their tmi. Dark magician feels very uninformed because they imo got lost in the trees looking for a forest. They hyperfixated on something they thought mattered because they are town trying to figure things out.

My take away.

[Dark Magician]

Because I don't trust you to have three-way pairing opinions strong enough to be worth of mentioning this early. I just don't buy it. Yeah, yeah, skissue, I know, I know, whatever

It’s a GTH read.
“Gun to Head” if your unfamiliar with the term it means “if I had to say who I think the team is right now, I’d say it’s this.”

[Dark Magician]

Like you give an argument for MM/Wisp and state "mac's just mac lol" and that's supposed to be an argument for a 3 way pairing worthy of a post ? My gut and brain both tell me it's more likely to be shade

I’ve explained why I am sus of Mac and there is no involvement in regards to MM/Wisp.

Also from what I’ve been hearing I am coming to the relationship that what I initially thought was overly defensive from MM might just be their normal reaction.

[Dark Magician]

Like I don’t have comparison on Mac with them, but I have an individual read on Mac.

As I already stated previously they progression on my slot made no sense to me.

[Loldebite]

It’s a GTH read.
“Gun to Head” if your unfamiliar with the term it means “if I had to say who I think the team is right now, I’d say it’s this.”

Sure. Still think pushing a GTH read like unasked is uncalled for, bad manners and (much?) more likely scum than not tho.

[Wiisp]

I've only had like 2 hours to sit down and read this game and that was at game start for what its worth, I've only really skimmed a lot of the newer stuff

[Loldebite]

Maybe I just hate those kinda posts tho cuz I hated ika's "I put out my hero solve" about as much now that I think about it

[Dark Magician]

Sure. Still think pushing a GTH read like unasked is uncalled for, bad manners and (much?) more likely scum than not tho.

Very well.
I’m still going to continue to share my thoughts though.
If you have a problem with it, we can talk about it.

[Stellaria]

if I'm a wolf I am n1'ing Kutiplz if they are town
If we are both wolves, good luck town
if I am town I am a PR

Hi Long time no speak to the ones who know me
@Kutiplz @Achro

Hi to the cute people in this thread

hi Wisp it's been forever since we played together. Remember dying embarassingly fast day 1 when we we're both mafia in champs, remember that?

I would very much like it if you could outline your playstyle for me. I mentioned that I thought it possible that you could use FF to escape the game conveniently when it gets late, but Sabi says that's not true. So I think I want to get to know you more to read you specifically because I feel like my read on you probably isn't fair