Originally Posted by
Ash Lael
If your claim is legit, there is no other power role.
^ This is actually a fair point in grakylan's defense. Honestly, I feel if someone claims it wont matter too much, because as Ash pointed (or i believe at least implied) out to me earlier, it seems quite plausible he might get shot on N2 or N3 anyways.
Originally Posted by
Grakylan
my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which.
If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me.
And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale.
Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post.
There is no point in knowing Ash Lael's power role right now. He was asking for claims, not roles.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
Dallarian/Martin was a thing from #77 and onwards. Auwt on #154 laid the seed and this turned into Dallarian/Martin + Auwt + Grakylan + Helltanis as the time passed. Zedus was lynched based on this artificial town these people created.
How did Auwt figure out Martin from the beginning? How did he also figure out Renegade? Why was he so aggressive with me when I was away? He believed I was scum buddying Zedus(townie) but this again conflicts with his #154 where Zedus was big scum.
Grakylan day 1 followed Auwt's #154 to the end. His change in votes was very questionable at EOD1 and Auwt's afk with a vote on me at EOD1.
Did Grakylan hesitated to vote me instead? Because he was going all "yea yea lets put bakermir on lynch or put him under inspection"
Its quite possible the scum thought we were going to try and lynch you (Bakermir) on D2. But I believe that's far from likely. Anyways,
STILL having
ONLY one reads list at #154, even after I pointed at out in SoD2, while there's been 816 posts at this point is really bothersome to me.
Originally Posted by
Grakylan
Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor.
Well as my tinfoil (but plausible) theory stands, this is just bussing.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me?
Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action?
What role does that?
Beguiler does, and Grakylan's point is certainly plausible.
Actually, we haven't considered if we have a bus driver or not. We aren't notified if we were bussed. While the individual chances of a certain power role are low (~16% I think for one to exist out of 3 Town Any's, if I recall correctly), it is possible.
Originally Posted by
Grakylan
Martin - scum leaning. His posts do give credence, but has lately accused Auwt of power hunting.... although Auwt is a pretty good town read right now. His high quality posts, often distracting and sometimes going off the rails, could be a front. Not to mention use of AtE in SoD1 (debate me on this if you may).
Scum Leaning? What happened to your #219 read of me where you said I had to be a power role or scum? Right now you should be 100%
scum reading me, not
scum lean. See here:
Originally Posted by
Grakylan
and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important.
And you mentioned the AtE. You're quite clearly looking back at that time.
Originally Posted by
Auwt
Open claiming citizen ? That changes a lot of things in my head.
I mean, it was quite obvious. Especially with ash now asking for (any) power claims. At least in my opinion. Heck you called it very early through careful analysis. But you could've argued i was town at that time in other ways, not by calling me citizen.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
I don't see a possibility in both you and Auwt being mafia.
If we assume both of you are in citizen pool then it can't be both of you. We already have all TPR claims out there to max number.
I don't why would you consider Auwt/Martin duo? There is no logic to it
I considered it to satisfy Ash's concerns. While I may not be him, he has been an inquisitve town that, at times, has caught things that I would never have. I respect everything he says, even if I were to disagree with him on a personal level. We need his input if we want a clear consensus.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's.
I partially second this. Although there is a very slight, but unlikely, possibility that the third town any -- if grak is scum -- rolled citizen. However, with the evidence I posted earlier, I feel grak is scum.
Originally Posted by
Ash Lael
We’ve previously had soft citizen claims from Drizzt and Martin.
I recently explicitly claimed citizen for the sake of argument against Auwt. He was right from the get-go about his citizen guess about me, which worried me about his other citizen guesses.
Originally Posted by
Ash Lael
There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles?
Personally, I feel I would lynch in the power roles. If we lynch Grak and he's scum, it would rule out an Auwt/Martin combo that you proposed before since we would then both cannot be scum. But then again id' be fine lynching Auwt.
Originally Posted by
bakermir
We still have 34 hours.
I see Dallarian is taking his time.
This is becoming concerning. But might this be related to the Helltanis situation? I mean, Helltanis was summoned into signing by Dallarian (As deduced by me towards EoD1). Maybe he felt the need to go once Helltanis was gone? Or was there soem IRL thing that affected them both?
Originally Posted by
Ash Lael
For this reason I assume the scum will split one in each group. Otherwise we’ve almost won the game already. Three lynches in a group of four people to catch two is amazing for us. I don’t think they’ll let us have it.
Which is what is happening with Grakylan/Auwt combo, if my theory is correct.
Originally Posted by
Dallarian
My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback..
Wait, so is Bakermir (from earlier) suggesting he was citizen from Town any?
Or is Drizzt a TPR?
Originally Posted by
deathworlds
I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim
-vote MartinGG99
This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato.
I wonder if this is just to pressure me. I mean, Drizzt did the same thing with his statement (which honestly caught me off guard). Then again to get an accurate picture of me takes the whole thread, and I don't blame you if you decided to not read absolutely all of it.
Also welcome to the game, Deathworlds! (Cool name and avatar imo, but this is an unrelated-to-the game comment)
I have one more note:
If I am Town, which I claim to be, then mafia tonight may as well shoot Ash and take down most of, if not all, town leadership in one fell swoop. And if its Auwt, he could just power wolf now that someone (being me) is off his back.
Originally Posted by
Drizzt
I claim citizen.
With this, Bakermir's claim ought to be interesting. He hinted citizen, but is he really?