I'm inclined to vote macdougall because this role list
Citizen
Citizen
Citzen
Tracker
Coward
Gunsmith
Investigator
Poisoner
makes more sense than this role list
Citizen
Citizen
Citzen
Tracker
Gunsmith
Poisoner
Investigator
Coward
Of course it could be the following in the event that Ganelon is scum.
Citizen
Citizen
Citzen
Tracker
Coward
Poisoner
Investigator
Blacksmith
Well you know what, actually, to simplify the Citizen reasoning, indeed I claim Citizen.
I guess nobody is gonna counter claim now because everyone claimed.
The citizen count is so as follow : 3 (Varcron - Auwt - Gyrlander[rip])
Im still most concerned because all of you could be the last Hidden Loyalist
Of course if I were to be the last scum the role list would look like this:
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Gunsmith
Coward
Poisoner
Investigator
Tracker
Which uhh, doesn't make sense
I believe Ceko was so proud of avoid a scum shot that I dont believe Coward is on scum side.
Macdougall wasnt present for now but apparently gave an night action to poison Ganelon ==> Might still be a fake? Idk
Ganelon is as likely to be scum.
I dont really know what to think about you DW honestly... but apparently others are towncoring you, so I trust in them
What could we do :
We lynch macdougall, then we wait for Ganelon to see if he's still alive or not?
Might be risky in case macdougall faked us with his poisoner target.
So, @Ganelon
If you're scum, you're already dead and lost, gg wp.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, between macdougall and ceko, who do you think it is?
I believe in any case :
Lets imagine all posibilities :
Ceko is the scum : He has 1 kill, and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun
DW is the scum : He has 2 kills and Ganelon is poisoned
Ganelon is the scum : He has 1 kill and will die by poison + possible DW using his gun
Macdougall is the scum : He has 1 kill and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun
In any case, we are likely to be at least 2 town alive after night sequence.
I love how you really put 2 Citizens in your lynch list.
Nobody else claimed being Citizen apart from Varcron and myself. And guess what 2 Citizens are 100% alive.
If you are Town they I definitly dont understand this post. I guess my worries on your alignment were proven right here.
-vote Ganelon
I really believe its either of those comp that is the right one.
But Ganelon's push on Varcron and his lynch list makes me think the 2nd list fit better on how the game is going
Ganelon is acting like a mod Jester rn to be fair, from my pov
Macdougall have poisoned Ganelon, this is town friendly for me.
Atm I wouldnt consider the Loyalist Poisoner to be a thing
- How do I see the gunsmith play ? Ganelon might be trying to pocket DW.
- What about Ceko then ? I tend to say he is town, but he couldve just mind game us by saying he redirected scums shot on Gyrlander to make a valid claim of Patriot Beguiler(Coward). So mitigated.
The one thing I still do not understand is : Why would Ganelon randomly give a gun to DW ?
DW didnt claim any role at the time Ganelon gave him.
The safest play would have been to give it to Varcron honesly, but ofc Ganelon is facing Varcron for absolutely no reason.
I still want Ganelon to answer my last question (and also say why would you lynch 2 confirmed citizens).
How am I acting like a Jester?
Anyway I can’t ever believe DW is scum so
-vote MacDougall
I will probably follow the vote on macdougall but later so you guys know.
Oh and please don't hammer early, we can still probably figure out between ceko and the macdougall by rereading ceko.
It's still entirely possible that ganelon is the scum, but we have to consider the possibility that he isn't.
I'll give ceko a reread when I have a chance tomorrow.
And with that, goodnight
To clarify, mechanics and setup speculation are all well and dandy right here, but we still have our reads to work off of well.
We're golden if our reads line up with the most likely setup design(s).
Oh and btw, after this EoD there will be zero way to confirm ceko's role as coward, scum aligned or not, short of me attempting to shoot ceko, which is a dumb idea.
The most likely setup design is there is no way there’s two town killers.
DW has sounded pretty townie so far, but i can't completely trust him yet. especially if he wants me dead today. u realize gyr was one of my highest scumreads. i already said in my lw that i hid behind him because he "barely interacted with wisp." yes, i submitted my night action BEFORE reading the weird PR trap wisp set for gyr. but, i thoroughly explained my night action and even wrote a lengthy lw, which scum typically wouldn't do since they most likely won't die on night 1.
The fact that you are having a gun is also annyoing me a bit :
Lets imagine we lynch Ceko and Ganelon die from poison.
Who do remain?
DW (with a gun)
Varcron (citizen)
Auwt (citizen)
macdougall (poisoner)
And now what if DW is the scum?
He can kill 2 guys meaning, he could be in a 1v1 situation, which in any case could ultimately make DW win as scum
lynching mac will confirm if gane was actually poisoned. actually, EOD would resolve that issue for us.
i just think mac is an unknown quantity we need to get rid of. there's no reason for town!mac to poison someone if he knew one scum was already dead. if mac lied about poisoner and is actually some other PR role (which i suspect; electromaniac would be a wewlad since i can imagine me hiding behind DW and DW shooting me, which would cause us to kill each other), then gane won't die at EOD. ill hide behind gane and DW will shoot gane. then lynch gane on day 3.
DW is strongest townread among the PRs, although i've no idea what his scum meta is like lol. maybe he's great at faking town. however, that's a tinfoil hat theory i won't delve into.
i legit don't get why gane pushed varc and auwt after they were confirmed citizens. yea, he admitted his fault when auwt pressed him, but even town shouldn't tunnel that hard. it's like gane was faking his tunnel on varc.
almost looks like TMI-confident scum. however, if he's scum he'll die at EOD anyway. if DW is scum (which I doubt), then gane lost us the game lol.
im considering a gane lynch. if he flips town, we'll know for sure he was poisoned. we'll also have 5 players left at EOD instead of 4, so if DW is scum he won't be able to win a 1v1. mac would have no choice but to shoot DW or a citizen. DW won't be able to shoot me because I'll hide behind mac. if DW doesn't use his gun on mac, then we lynch DW.
I’m in favour of an early hammer since this game is pretty much over. Just lynch the PRs