S-FM 351: Mini Fooling Party

[bakermir]

actually both of them can be triad

[bakermir]

butler claim is the worst btw

last time we played this setup triads claimed butler and post game we all agreed butler claim is the best tool for wolves

[bakermir]

I am inclined to trust Gikkle. I hope they visited me

[bakermir]

Now I remember last time this setup was played, Corrupted Assessor was claiming butler so yeah

[bakermir]

What triad would I be if I were triad? I can't be Triad hidden turned Dragon Head because that would mean you think I attack someone I either know is going to be protected, or, if I thought Baker my buddy, put them in an even worse position than they already were.
Assessor? In what world do I push MM instead of someone I swapped the flip of? Unless you think MM's flip was fake? Because the game's already over if it was.

From anybody's perspective, I should be MORE clear than you, although I am willing to claim prior to you (but after the other 2) since my role isn't that significant at this stage of the game.

That's bad logic.

If me and you were Triad, it would make whole a lot of sense for you to push for my lynch today actually, you would certainly need to put me in a worse situation to go deeper.

BUT I know we are both town Gikkle, yesterday was proof I have decided to put PoD and you on my trustfall. Tonight one of us is dying.

Scumbot scares me but they are townier compared to Innovation and Auwt

[bakermir]

btw I won't be here mostly but I will be back time to time

[bakermir]

-vote Innovation

No harsh feelings if town decides to throw in the end

Only thing that annoyed me this game was you guys allowed a 3 way rand between active players, you could have just voted a 0 poster off

[bakermir]

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[Auwt]

I'd be up for flipping innovation

I would be down to focus more on Bakermir and Gikkle.
POD flipping town is a bit harsh.

Gikkle won't confirm anything as he is going to claim something that cannot be proven, you'll see.
2/3 to hit a triad in Gikkle/Bakermir/Innovation.
I feel like bakermir goes first no matter what.

[scumbot5679]

ima be honest here, I will be very surprised if this is anything but a bakemir/innovation team. There are some things that still make me side-eye Gikkle but I mean, you said you'd body a player and then that player dies and there's like no reaction?

I also kinda feel like the accusing town of game-throwing if we voted for him is just scummy manipulation.

[Auwt]

What triad would I be if I were triad? I can't be Triad hidden turned Dragon Head because that would mean you think I attack someone I either know is going to be protected, or, if I thought Baker my buddy, put them in an even worse position than they already were.
Assessor? In what world do I push MM instead of someone I swapped the flip of? Unless you think MM's flip was fake? Because the game's already over if it was.

From anybody's perspective, I should be MORE clear than you, although I am willing to claim prior to you (but after the other 2) since my role isn't that significant at this stage of the game.

Your push on MM was a pure guess as you stated.
You wanted to heaten the situation.
However, later on you decided to withdraw and went much much much cooler on MM situation, before hammering what would have anyway been the go-to lynch.

And from my perspective, obviously biaised thanks to my role, you are far from being on the same town stage scumbot is.

[scumbot5679]

+ my avatar said I was town

[Auwt]

Watch one of Gikkle or Innovation claim Citizen, I see it comming millions of miles away, maybe even pretending one of the deads had their role flip swapped thanks to Assessor.

I feel it.

[Auwt]

+ my avatar said I was town

Didn't you put your avatar AFTER role selection was assigned xD

[scumbot5679]

stupid logic *grumbles*

[Gikkle]

Your push on MM was a pure guess as you stated.
You wanted to heaten the situation.
However, later on you decided to withdraw and went much much much cooler on MM situation, before hammering what would have anyway been the go-to lynch.

And from my perspective, obviously biaised thanks to my role, you are far from being on the same town stage scumbot is.

This is the last post I'll respond to about this topic since I don't find it important. I'm likely not going to be surviving to a point where this will matter anyways.

Yes, it was a guess, but like I said, NOT a pure guess, as it was based off NKA (which I guess may have been a bit faulty given me and Ikarus being swapped) & my own sus on MM based on EoD1. But if I'm triad, not only did I pick someone who I had expressed suspicion on the day prior and who many people sussed (meaning I was picking someone who already had a high chance of being triad from my PoV), but I also did not take that opportunity to keep claiming to have tracked MM despite how EASY it would have been to keep that claim. Doubt y'all would be suggesting all this weird paranoid stuff if I had kept that claim up.

To say I "withdrew" is inaccurate. After he revealed the vigilante I continued going hard against him. I did get paranoid near the end of day because of how you and PoD were being weird about hammering, but I never suggested actually moving the wagon off of MM, nor did I ever say I thought MM had any real chance of being town.

The only alternative wagon I even threw out there was Baker, and you seem entirely on board with them being a wolf.

I guess from the PoV of a supposed "butler", sure. But I feel like you guys are giving way too much credence to the idea I'm going for style points or smth here, because the simplest victory for me would have just been powerwolfing day 2 & keeping my eyes out for any townies that I could easily push. Y'all trying to justify your paranoia by suggesting bussing both of my supposed partners is the play I make just gives me a headache lol
I don't enjoy wolfing this much to selfishly throw my partners - who would not be able to agree to a bus by virtue of there being no triad chat - under the bus instead of just winning ASAP. The only argument I have no qualms with you making is that Triad me didn't have any clue MM or Baker were my buddies, but that's a pretty silly argument considering MM was very scummy EoD1, something I agreed with Scarlet about, and Baker was very wolfy day 2, which is something I brought up and made a case for.

anyways this argument is unproductive anyways, gonna think about other things

[Gikkle]

Watch one of Gikkle or Innovation claim Citizen, I see it comming millions of miles away, maybe even pretending one of the deads had their role flip swapped thanks to Assessor.

I feel it.

Idk what innovation is gonna claim but I literally couldn't claim citizen, I very clearly stated that my role is one that would have some idea of it being roleblocked or controlled (based on me saying I think I may have been)

[Gikkle]

ima be honest here, I will be very surprised if this is anything but a bakemir/innovation team. There are some things that still make me side-eye Gikkle but I mean, you said you'd body a player and then that player dies and there's like no reaction?

I also kinda feel like the accusing town of game-throwing if we voted for him is just scummy manipulation.

Did you read my mini case on innovation in my devils advocate post?
I went over how Innovation's reason for not voting EoD doesn't really add up, and wondering what you think of that

[Gikkle]

Butler claim is meh and idk if I trust it but it ultimately depends on what innovation claims

[bakermir]

ima be honest here, I will be very surprised if this is anything but a bakemir/innovation team. There are some things that still make me side-eye Gikkle but I mean, you said you'd body a player and then that player dies and there's like no reaction?

I also kinda feel like the accusing town of game-throwing if we voted for him is just scummy manipulation.

well you are throwing unless the triad team is exactly you+auwt

-vote bakermir

just vote me out if you aren't going to follow the actual town here: Scarlet-Ikarus-Pod-Baker all called innovation triad and if this is wrong then we deserve to lose anyway

[bakermir]

skill issue

[Gikkle]

@Innovation
Waiting for that claim

[Auwt]

Did Gikkle claim and I missed it, or no claim yet, even though both POD & me revealed, as he said this was the condition ?

[Auwt]

bakermir+Gikkle
Innovation+Gikkle
bakermir+Innovation

Supposing we still have 2 triads alive.

[Auwt]

Who did you fake heal last night bakermir?

[Auwt]

pff, my claim isn't even gonna sound that believable due to the circumstances surrounding it
plus I've already revealed enough about my role that you could probably guess it if you tried hard enough

@Gikkle

So let's try to guess then?

Citizen, you said no, and that roleblock/manipulation can have an impact on you.
Bus Driver, you cannot be manipulated, and you said in a previous post that your role could be roleblocked/manipulated.
Locksmith, you cannot be roleblocked, as you are first in Order Of Action.
Detective, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
Lookout, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
Vigilante, it would be time to wake up.
Military, it would be time to wake up.
Butler, please don't reveal a dead is town member
War Surgeon, yeah yeah yeah a bakermir2.
Roleblocker, you cannot be roleblocked, and you said your role can be roleblocked/manipulated.

I can't see a TOWN role that can save you.
Now, I could eventually have a look at Triad roles once again, but is it that useful?

[scumbot5679]

Did you read my mini case on innovation in my devils advocate post?
I went over how Innovation's reason for not voting EoD doesn't really add up, and wondering what you think of that

fun fact! I have been pushing inno as scum since the start of d2 and I'm pushing him as the days lynch over baker although I would be willing to vote there I suppose. It's like you and Baker aren't even reading my posts. I mean, Baker is probs just scum that's only somewhat paying attention to the thread but you are constantly missreading/not reading me for ????

[scumbot5679]

I don't think it's impossible that Auwt is scum that's just buttering me up but for Auwt to be scum Baker has to be town, I'm not sure that I believe in that world

[scumbot5679]

Gikkle holding onto his roleclaim for dear life is starting to get off putting and it's reaching the levels of ridiculous---just saying

[scumbot5679]

Also, both SL and Ika scumread POD and town read inno lol

[Gikkle]

@Gikkle

So let's try to guess then?

Citizen, you said no, and that roleblock/manipulation can have an impact on you.
Bus Driver, you cannot be manipulated, and you said in a previous post that your role could be roleblocked/manipulated.
Locksmith, you cannot be roleblocked, as you are first in Order Of Action.
Detective, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
Lookout, you have nothing, and whether you like it or not, you withdrew.
Vigilante, it would be time to wake up.
Military, it would be time to wake up.
Butler, please don't reveal a dead is town member
War Surgeon, yeah yeah yeah a bakermir2.
Roleblocker, you cannot be roleblocked, and you said your role can be roleblocked/manipulated.

I can't see a TOWN role that can save you.
Now, I could eventually have a look at Triad roles once again, but is it that useful?

I said my role claim wasn't gonna be particularly believable considering the circumstances surrounding it, so going through the possibilities like this isn't gonna be very fruitful if you come at it from that perspective

[Gikkle]

Gikkle holding onto his roleclaim for dear life is starting to get off putting and it's reaching the levels of ridiculous---just saying

I've explained my reasoning multiple times?
I was also very willing to claim yesterday but Auwt wasn't so

[Gikkle]

fun fact! I have been pushing inno as scum since the start of d2 and I'm pushing him as the days lynch over baker although I would be willing to vote there I suppose. It's like you and Baker aren't even reading my posts. I mean, Baker is probs just scum that's only somewhat paying attention to the thread but you are constantly missreading/not reading me for ????

I don't remember you pushing innovation but I was pretty focused on MM/Baker yesterday so your read on Innovation probably just didn't leave much of an impression in my mind

[scumbot5679]

but now he's claimed

[Gikkle]

I don't remember you pushing innovation but I was pretty focused on MM/Baker yesterday so your read on Innovation probably just didn't leave much of an impression in my mind

Also I was asking more specifically about the line of logic that I used in the case rather than your overall read on innovation

[Gikkle]

but now he's claimed

Yes he has, but my offer from yesterday doesn't really apply to today when the whole reason I did it was to encourage people to claim within the 4 hours left in the day

[scumbot5679]

but if I'm calling him scum does it matter? I mean yeah, his claim doesn't really make sense b/c there was time between his last post and the EOD so he's lying when he saying that he couldn't vote.

[scumbot5679]

but he prob gets modkilled for inactivity anyways

[Gikkle]

but if I'm calling him scum does it matter? I mean yeah, his claim doesn't really make sense b/c there was time between his last post and the EOD so he's lying when he saying that he couldn't vote.

it does matter
I'm sanity checking myself and also hearing more of your own thought process

[scumbot5679]

but im confirmed town unless you think its me +auwt

[scumbot5679]

imagine thinking baker and inno are town *twilight zone music*

[Gikkle]

but im confirmed town unless you think its me +auwt

I don't think it's you
I just have a very deep well of paranoia and I like to try and look for cracks in my wordview at every opportunity

[bakermir]

well Gikkle, Auwt and Scumbot all were here when I voted myself and I wasn't hammered.

This means Innovation is 100% triad

-unvote

last triad is between Gikkle/Auwt and I am more inclined to think it is Auwt, they have been pocketing scumbot. very dirty

[bakermir]

@Innovation
Waiting for that claim

this @ is also worrying right after my self vote

[scumbot5679]

Bake, why do you think that Pod despite you claiming to protect them?

[bakermir]

i don't think triad was slowrolling there. i should have been hammered. obv there are 2 towns in gikkle/scumbot/auwt

also a triad never self votes here but yeah idk why am i trying. people believe what they want to believe then abandon all rationale and logic

[bakermir]

Bake, why do you think that Pod despite you claiming to protect them?

if you are asking why I failed to doc Pod, it is because I visited Gikkle since I assumed PoD would bus himself with Gikkle. I can explain the WIFOM behind my action and PoD's actions but I doubt anyone cares

[scumbot5679]

thats some pretty thick AtE

if inno is 100% triad in your eyes why are you not voting there?

[bakermir]

thats some pretty thick AtE

if inno is 100% triad in your eyes why are you not voting there?

yeah you have no meta on me so you might take that as pretty thick AtE. its just how i am when I am a hopeless town. I suck at FX and usually pick wrong people to vote lol

[bakermir]

it's a bad excuse but I am playing like 4 differnet games atm thats what you get for my low effort and bad play

otherwise i would have cased auwt and gikkle and bury the last triad