Guess they (scum) were not counting on you being a hero
Based on what I view as your genuine expression of concerns and paranoia, you must be indeed the town in the SB16/MM/Rene PR mix that I was not previously certain of (though I was leaning towards you already, and your recent posts help support that it's you as the Town in that mix). Yes, I believe both SB16 and MM are scum here, most likely with Gikkle although if
TOWN~Gikkle is really capable of those insane CMAN gambits then possibly Lag. I don't believe oliver is a possibility: although he is a strange character and is a newer player, he has been attempting to be solvy.
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Looking at votes from D1 and D2 (taken from my N2 notes
#1395 and at that time I was still considering Lolde suspect hence the mention of his name):
MM: Voted Lag, PQ, Voss.
Gikkle: Gikkle did have a vote on MM for 3.5 during D1 prior to switching to Frinckles, but could be bussing. Voted Frinckles, MM, Voss.
SB16: Never voted Gikkle, Lolde, or MM. Voted Guillo, Lag, Pao, PQ, Oliver.
So to evaluate this potential trio, I wanted to check Gikkle voting MM as that would imply a Scum v Scum vote. No other potential vote busses seen from this group of 3.
Gikkle voted MM here, a vote was in effect for 3.5 hours until the switch to Frinckles with 1 minute before EOD1.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...762#post950762
Justification was given in next post:
"I had an entire line of dialogue with MM which explains my vote, particularly my latest post ( P#234 )"
P#234 that is reference is pasted by me below:
Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
So in other words, I'm either wrong or scum because of a mindmeld and an assumption favoring logic over pointless and weird play? You know what... I'm gonna put my veto on this lol.
[PQ edit - the above was a quote of MM; below are words from Gikkle in response to it]
No, I think you could be right and be town, but you trying to put words in Oliverz mouth (#169, #179) was very strange. #179 was also strange with the comments that it was "obvious he was not literal" because it "would not make sense", and later when I asked about whether that was dismissing the possibility of S!Oliverz doing it for scummy reasoning, you brought up an extreme scenario (#194, your point about Oliverz having to be a lunatic if he thought he could get Lag lynched from the beginning of the day. Not sure if this is just because you misinterpreted what I was saying? You never responded to me correcting you about what I meant by "early aggression") to dismiss my whole point about the possible justification S!Oliverz may have had where it would make sense for them to make a literal post like that so early on.
Your prior explanation for why Oliverz was town ( #168 ) didn't make much sense either. Here is what you said:
"There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly. "
This does not match up with what Oliverz has actually done.
"Pointing (Lag's alleged change in tone) out" - This is Marshmallow putting words in Oliverz mouth, which is what we talked about afterwards and which he acknowledges as a possibility in #179. The only thing Oliverz did publicly say was that Lag wasn't doing a full mechanical plan and "being smart town" like they were last game. Oliverz did not point out any kind of change in tone or anything like that.
"Starting the discussion strongly" - Strongly worded, sure. I wouldn't call it "starting the discussion strongly" though, as it wasn't strong in it's structure, considering he doesn't talk about it all after that and the explanation is pretty lackluster.
"Making people take a stance about his read" - Never happened.
This is just a very strange read altogether and seems a lot like you're trying to justify something you don't really believe in. Maybe I'm wrong? It's just weird on the surface and your answers so far have only raised more questions.
Sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is jumbled, I'm a bit tired.
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So can that be within a scum-scum interaction? I say yes.