Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I thought thats what you were insinuating in your post 1485.
I really think you just need to re-read my posts. The smug emoji has absolutely nothing to do with you being in the PoE. I can just keep repeating that over and over if you would like.
I will also point out that PoE is not in any particular order at all. Its literally just crunching claims and known information to make a list of who will be the ones looked at on D4 (before considering how mass claim will change things around)
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I know you didn't ask me
but currently I suspect Locksmith because that seems one of the likely town randoms; we have a limited number of town randoms and with the gamestate rn I feel like a town locksmith is the most likely
I have considered moulder as a possiblity but now I think its less likely than I once thought it was.
Besides, only 2 chances for triad to get Moulder while town has 4 chances.
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Sure.
The way I am looking at it Bakermir, Frostbyte, Renegade, Naz, Unknown, and Yzb25 are mechanically the PoE. Naz can wait for a day because a Triad Random kill mechanically confirms her and I set aside Unknown and Yzb25 for being widly town read.
I suppose you could interchange one of those first three with Yzb25 or Unknown for D4 but I suspect the role claims will do that anyways. If no scum claims a citizen slot 2 names will be removed from those and there will only be 3 names left in the PoE mechanically speaking (and accounting for giving Naz a 1 day pass)
Let me know if I am missing something but I think my logic there is pretty sound.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I wanna hear helz why bakermir, Frostbyte and Renegade are first in their PoE
I'm thinking and feeling this is a good town tell for everyone from MattZed, among his past actions and posts.
I don't see a scum doing this on multiple posts; I don't see agenda-influenced calculation behind the posts here.
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I don't think that's that.
I think Helz panicked today and wanted to stay relevant without arising any suspicions and now can't even explain their PoE but keeps repeating the mechanical solve we found without his help during day 2
so I am not really gonna take that emoji as an excuse for a very sensitive situation here regarding lynch order
Sure:
Me- I remove myself because this is my PoE and I know I am town
MattZed- I remove MattZed because I am the Butler and got a N0 peek confirming that he is Town
deathworlds- Remove him from the PoE because he will be dead in a few hours
Dark Magician- He is gona flip D3 so remove him because this is a PoE for D4
Frinckles- Remove him from the PoE under the almost certainty that Deathworlds will flip Switcher making him mechanically confirmed town
MartinGG99- Remove him from the PoE because the PoE is a mechanical crunch centered around role slots. His role claim has very strong merit as the CC on the D1 train
Naz- Remove her from the d4 PoE because if D4 we lynch a Triad Random Naz then becomes mechanically confirmed
That leaves:
bakermir
FrostByte
yzb25
Unknown1234
Renegade
I then cut out the 2 most widly town read players (Unknown and Yzb25) and we are left with what I posted. That will certainly shift around a bit after mass claim and has to be done so in connection with that role potential list I made in 1456 but this is how I made that PoE.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It would be very bad.
And I quite agree with you @MattZed
Locksmith (Or I) should have at least one target on Dark Magician.
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Without telling you what to do, let me explain how I would think of things if I were the CA:
"MartinGG99 seems like town right now, and he likes to switch with himself. If I target DM and Martin, they'll still both get bound to each other, and now I've set up the BD to die instead of my fellow triad."
fake news
you should have kept silent about your poe today.
you have given the perfect targets for a corrupted assessor out there, as well as DH. all of this is very anti-town of you.
I even asked this earlier to see who is going to jump on claim train and people were actually playing it out decently and not revealing for today
Bakermir
I am not going to let you get lynched while I am a living BD
not a single godamm bit
I understand your concern though on Helz's PoE
But I get the feeling that since ALL 3 of those people
are like the people that play (By "play" I may be referring to thought process as well in general) the MOST differently as compared to helz in this game (other than Naz who's being saved by a PR claim that's possibly confirmed)
its like so obvious that its just that Helz is being biased and he doesn't recognize that
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And just because I went ahead and revealed this also plays into my logic of the Locksmith > Moulder argument considering Matt was suppository witched to MartinGG. I am kinda surprised nobody called me out for jumping to the conclusion that does not make him Dragon Head.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It actually hasn't occurred to me to switch myself with my scum read(s)
That said though, I do have a current plan that I thought of a few hours ago
But it really depends if my game solve (which I probably will go into detail much more on D3) is correct
and that's all I will say about my plan
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This post, @Helz .
I don't mind cult/alignment changing games in FM. The problem is the mod the day is literally 2 minutes long, not enough time to sus out behavioral changes that come along with alignment changes. CULT IS BROKEN GAME MECHANIC (in mod only).
I think you're close to the right track tbh.
But I will 100% promise you that at least
Frostbyte
&
Bakermir
are town.
I'm like 85% sure that Renegade is town, but we may discuss that on D3 or D4.
Also I'm personally a fan of Unkown as town but I don't think this game has debated his alignment much or if at all so I wouldn't be opposed to it in the future.
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Finally, in the mod, cult is often introduced in a standard town v mafia/triad setup which totally breaks it. I find that *most* FM setups have much more thought put into the balance if there is alignment changing. See-> mushroom kingdom, this setup, etc.
Bias can be in the form of pessimism on others as well.
If one cannot understand how one is contributing to the game
then you're going to perceive them as being scummy by virtue of utility
or at least that's how it worked for me
If you look at Helz, litterally the only thing holding him back on Naz is the TPR claim lol
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He also took a slight issue with your emoji response.
While I am not Helz, I would hypothesize that it still took enough hold on his thoughts to influence him anyways because he posted it
Even though he has said it really wasn't significant.
Its like a strong indicator of self-contradiction due to possible bias influence imo
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I mean, sure its Biased. Its my PoE after all. You guys are free to make your own but I suspect when you reason it out you will draw similar conclusions. Especially if you believe I am the Butler I disagree. I think you might just be flailing at me.
I honestly had no intention of revealing today. It was just impossible for me to explain that logic jump on Matt without adding that bit.
The corrupted assessor is a problem that can not be mitigated. Even with him in play the town is still in an excellent position imo.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
You are right Martin. Maybe Helz is just goofy and I am goofy but I stand behind my case against him. If he want's to go down that path then I am waiting for more than an "smug emoji" or repeating the mechanical solve we found out drunk and stoned last night LOL
This has nothing to do with me being in their PoE btw.. their posts today just ping me the wrong way and I am not sure if we can explain that as simple as you lay it out here; style difference.
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I promise you that if I advocate for your lynch it will not be centered around some potential you cracked a flippant comment. Why are you so fixated on that bit while within the same post I made a much more substantial point voicing how you had posted from a very towny perspective? Your focus on that issue does not make sense to me.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Believe me when I say the number one cause for TvT is playstyle difference IMO.
I legit had to break up a TvT on The Syndicate about a month ago
just because someone felt it too obvious to not say X thing
and another townie felt that was dead-to-rights scummy because they didn't mention the obvious thing
It was like the difference between sheer calculating playstyle and pragmaticism
they agreed on most things other than themselves but that still didn't stop them from trying to day-kill each other by D3.
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I need my chocolate milk
brb
Well no. I was just pointing out that removing that belief would change it the most for others by adding myself and Matt to the PoE. That without doing that every other logical elimination from the PoE will probably hold true regardless of what player does it. I really do expect everyone to basically end up with that same list minus themselves / plus me and Matt.
We can come up with obscure hypothetical s that are 'possible' but that sort of theory crafting screws towns more than it helps them.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Actually here's the wall I made on that site about it:
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...678176#p678176
If you're interested.
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Helz is town
Bakermir is town
end of our lovely new book and we all lived happily ever after?
Okay?????
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I would really not like to have to make a super-detailed wall on this TvT
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Done, you can find it in the first post @naz
@MattZed;
Yes, the lock down action still goes through since it's placed before the killing action.
If the DH gets targeted by a Switcher, this night kill would be removed.
Lol.
Dont waste your time. I am all set and there is no amount of conversation that would change that PoE I made because its not based off individual reads on players. I don't think there is really a conflict to be resolved.
That was an interesting read by the way. Would you mind if I used the spirit of your TvT created by playstyle differences in a guide down the road?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Alright.
On D3 I think I will be casing on why I think Unkown is town (we kinda haven't discussed it much tbh)
I'll also be casing one of my stronger scum-reads atm; I've decided it probably would be best to do it on D3 and not today, especially if I have to deal with the TvT battlefield
Annnnddd.....I think that's it I guess?
We just eliminate DW today and DM on D3.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.