S-FM 303: Summer 2020 (Newbie Game)

[SuperJack]

Day Three

Grakylan was murdered. They was a
Detective

They had a last will written in

Spoiler : Last Will :

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Grak the Det. Bakmir did not visit anyone N1. Tracking Martin N2.

I could have tracked Ash instead, but decided he may just be luring mafia to a WIFOM situation.

Here's why I think Martin is Scum.

Martin has already gained some of your trust. And now in a Lylo situation he will push the wrong guy.
OR Martin and his scum partner (most likely DW) may have agreed to sacrifice the partner tomorrow and gain EVEN more trust from you guys to leave you confused as he picks you off one by one while looking like a confirmed town.

I've been telling you the whole game hes a scumbag. And only now when I'm dead that you are willing to listen?

Check posts 1015,1088,1093.
Martin didn't even choose his own calculated "most combo eliminating" lynch (4-combo Helltenis/Drizzt or 3-combo Dallarian/DW), hammering 2-combo Auwt just cause the town felt like bandwagoning him.

And check post 540.
Martin decided not to ISO Zedus cuz "muh bias." I read that as "don't ask questions, lynch Zedus". Look where that got us.

I'm tired of Martin controlling the town. And I feel like tomorrow on Lylo Day, he may seize our desperation for his own ends.
Lynch Martin tomorrow.

On a side note:

Keep in mind that Drizzt cheered on Auwt (even when voting him). Look at post 1139 and 1116. He may have detected the town vibes from him.
That was after Auwt voted someone then unvoted a post later, similar to something I did D1 that Ash criticized on post 72.

I still say pressure Ash for his leads or if hes an investigative or protective if hes a TPR. Just to be sure he isn't lying. We need all hands on deck.

3 votes to hammer.

Rolelist	Alive Players	Graveyard
Mafia Any Mafia Any Town Any Town Any Town Any Citizen Citizen Citizen Citizen	3. Dallarian @deathworlds 4. @MartinGG99 5. Helltanis @Drizzt 8. @Ash Lael 9. @bakermir	6. @Zedus - Citizen 2. @Renegade - Doctor @Auwt - Citizen @Grakylan - Detective

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[MartinGG99]

Unfortunately, I had hoped grakylan would live. I made this huge post just calculating my suspicions based on what he did :

I believe that the scum team may be revealed depending on what happens, and more importantly, if Graklyan lived and who he checks as detective.

The only possible scum combos I see now (from my PoV): Drizzt + Deathworlds (More likely) OR Grakylan + Bakermir (Much Less likely, but still possible if Town Any citizen):

Spoiler : If Grakylan Lives (Multi-Spoiler) :

Spoiler : Grakylan checked Deathworlds or Drizzt & Finds nothing :

That doesn't mean they're innocent. An unfortunate fact of this setup is that with two mafia members, one can choose to not act while the other kills. Since I know I'm town, and the two combo possibilities above, I'm voting Deathworlds + Drizzt.

Spoiler : Grakylan checked Deathworlds or Drizzt & Finds something :

Well, it’s obvious. They're Scum. From my PoV, Deathworlds or Drizzt being scum means the other is scum as well.

Spoiler : Grakylan checked MartinGG99 and finds nothing :

Well, I'm proven!.......not really. The unfortunate fact is that scum have an option to not act since they have two members. One can kill, the other can simply not use their power. I'm going to vote for Deathworlds + Drizzt though, since I know I'm town.

Spoiler : Grakylan checked MartinGG99 and finds something :

Well, I don't know what to tell ya. Unless there's a bus driver, it has to be Grakylan + Bakermir, as Grakylan just lied to my face about being detective. Don't forget the person he "checked" night 1 was Bakermir.

Spoiler : Grakylan checked Ash Lael :

Wait, why did he check Ash? Didn't we just establish on D2 that its the citizen claims are suspicious and power claims are mechanically proven? Its Grakylan + Bakermir.

Spoiler : If Grakylan Died :

Well, if Grakylan died, and Ash has nothing to contribute with his power role, then I'm going with the definitive possibility of Drizzt + Deathworlds. Looks like I have to convince you guys to lynch whatever scum mate you guys propose that I would be teamed with, if you all suspect me more than anything else. I'm leaning towards Deathworlds as a preference. However, since they're both scum, I don't care which way we do it.

Don't forget that since Grakylan is dead, that de-facto disproves Grakylan + Bakermir.

I've removed the possibilities that Grakylan is tied to Deathworlds or Drizzt, because I feel its unlikely Grakylan would've lied about Bakermir (a townie) on n1 if he was scum hiding as "detective", along with the unlikely possibility of Town Any citizen (whereas if scum Bakermir+Grakylan, the lie makes sense). In the off chance that one of the above options that incriminates Bakemir+Grakylan occurs, you now know the reason why I think it must be him and Bakermir and not connected at all to Drizzt and Deathworlds.
As you can see, my reads largely depend on what Grakylan says, and if he lives or dies.
Town-locked Ash Lael
Very Town-lean on Grakylan/Bakermir
Very Scum-lean on Drizzt/Deathworlds
Unless, of course, Grakylan does something that is incriminating of the Grakylan/Bakermir duo, in which case my Town-Lean and Scum-Lean reads switch places.
Oh, and don't even try to suggest Ash is scum (if anyone was planning to, like Auwt). If he is, then he has played well and deserves the win.


Obviously, since Grakylan died, I choose to believe Drizzt + Deathworlds as the scum team.

[MartinGG99]

Also, here's all the read progressions (in a spreadsheet format, in individual pics) of everyone in the game, including the dead, as of N2. Each notes the post # for each read. Some reads used slightly ambiguous wording so I tried my best to guess them correctly. Black cells indicate that either that's the person doing the read in the picture (otherwise they would be reading themselves lol), or that they're dead and can't do any more reads (This doesn't include the N2 victim, Grakylan).

Spoiler : Auwt (Dead) :

Spoiler : Ash Leal :

Spoiler : Bakermir :

Spoiler : Dallarian/deathworlds :

Spoiler : Grakylan (dead; img not updated) :

Spoiler : Helltanis/Drizzt :

Spoiler : MartinGG99 :

Spoiler : Renegade (Dead) :

Spoiler : Zedus (Dead) :

[MartinGG99]

If you're going to lynch me today guys, I cannot blame you. I had some difficulty believing myself that Drizzt was scum, but for me now that's mechanically proven in my PoV. I had treated Helltanis too lightly in the early game (D1), and I failed in that. However, I do wish to post a side note here just in case you guys end up deciding to lynch me today or on D4:

Honestly, this game has been really fun for me, but its saddening that Zedus tunneled on me like hell and then Auwt somehow felt that not-claiming an exact TPR role was suspicious somehow? I mean, technically there's room for considering possibility in that there was a Town Any citizen, but the chances of it being Ash? Very low.

I get the feeling that both Zedus and Auwt came into this game thinking -Mafia- mod strategies and etc were to be expected to be useful in the forum game. Zedus thought day 1 lynches were supsicious, and they are in the mod. Auwt thought no direct role claim is suspicious, and they usually are in late game for the mod, or when you're on trial in the mod. Unfortunately for them, Forum Mafia is a lot different from the mod, but has some similar principles. But knowing which principles exist only in Forum Mafia or the mod -Mafia- is crucial.

I'm quite thankful I've done my research or studying prior to the game, but unfortunately, I just didn't do enough research on the early game, or at least how to put my thoughts into words. But please know, even if you lynch me today and therefore end the game, I'm quite thankful for the experience. I would like to thank you @Auwt and @Zedus for trying your best, even if it was disagreeable for most. I hope we all can learn from this game and become better versions of ourselves. And I would like to thank @Ash Lael the most, for without his watchful eye I may have never noticed the many problems and mistakes that I made as a townie – namely on day 1.

And finally, I would like to thank everyone one last time for this enjoyable experience, even if its the town's defeat.

[MartinGG99]

And since Ash stated earlier that he wanted those in the lynch block (Me, deathworlds, Drizzt) to vote before the town core (Ash, Grakylan, Bakermir) decided, I'm going to vote now. But it doesn't matter to me whoever we lynch first, so long as its not me.

-vote Drizzt

That's for deceiving me.

[Drizzt]

And since Ash stated earlier that he wanted those in the lynch block (Me, deathworlds, Drizzt) to vote before the town core (Ash, Grakylan, Bakermir) decided, I'm going to vote now. But it doesn't matter to me whoever we lynch first, so long as its not me.

-vote Drizzt

That's for deceiving me.

I'm not sure what deception you are talking about. If you explain it I'll tell my side. I'm citizen, and since I'm telling the truth I'm sure it was either an honest mistake or a misinterpretation on your part (communication with text isn't perfect). At the moment my biggest suspect is DW. I can't believe Martin would do so much work and offer to die if he wasn't town, but maybe he's just an incredible method actor.

Right now I'm looking pretty hard at voting DW. Bakemir, I followed his vote or I'd probably have voted DW to begin with. Can you provide a list of current claims? I know you've done a lot already, so a little more can't hurt

[MartinGG99]

I'm not sure what deception you are talking about. If you explain it I'll tell my side. I'm citizen, and since I'm telling the truth I'm sure it was either an honest mistake or a misinterpretation on your part (communication with text isn't perfect). At the moment my biggest suspect is DW. I can't believe Martin would do so much work and offer to die if he wasn't town, but maybe he's just an incredible method actor.

Right now I'm looking pretty hard at voting DW. Bakemir, I followed his vote or I'd probably have voted DW to begin with. Can you provide a list of current claims? I know you've done a lot already, so a little more can't hurt

Look, unless Bakermir is scum and decided to not act N1 as scum, or was bussed night 1, he's town. Ash is the last TPR claim, meaning those two are confirmed towns. Its just us, me, you, and DW. There's 2 scum left, and thats 2 out of us 3. Im sorry, but I can't trust you. You're mechanically proven scum to me. Or, in the hypothetical world that you are the town, I'm mechanically proven scum to you. There is no other way, detective ignores detection immunity.

[MartinGG99]

I will always look back on this post in the game.....I imagine the setup was balanced. But the players weren't. But hey, SJ tried to fix that with a familiar setup. He did his best I bet.

The game will be balanced.

[bakermir]

I will always look back on this post in the game.....I imagine the setup was balanced. But the players weren't. But hey, SJ tried to fix that with a familiar setup. He did his best I bet.

Yeah there is a low possibility with Town Any being citizen which could mean Ash is mafia. But then who is his partner? It doesn't add up. Should I expect the impossible from Ash?


I still think we have a higher chance if we lynch another citizen claim. It appears we have a lesser chance of failing today on that due to number of players on each side.


Sadly, I will be unavailable for few hours but I hope you guys prepare your cases well. I am looking forward to reading more input from you all.

[Drizzt]

Also, here's all the read progressions (in a spreadsheet format, in individual pics) of everyone in the game, including the dead, as of N2. Each notes the post # for each read. Some reads used slightly ambiguous wording so I tried my best to guess them correctly. Black cells indicate that either that's the person doing the read in the picture (otherwise they would be reading themselves lol), or that they're dead and can't do any more reads (This doesn't include the N2 victim, Grakylan).

Spoiler : Auwt (Dead) :

Spoiler : Ash Leal :

Spoiler : Bakermir :

Spoiler : Dallarian/deathworlds :

Spoiler : Grakylan (dead; img not updated) :

Spoiler : Helltanis/Drizzt :

Spoiler : MartinGG99 :

Spoiler : Renegade (Dead) :

Spoiler : Zedus (Dead) :

Good stuff. I'm have an appointment in like 20 min but I'll review it. I'd really like confirmation from other experienced players on his data before I rely on it to make decisions this time. Can anyone verify what he's posted in whole or in part? Otherwise I'll do my best to verify it myself...