So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them.
So... you don’t have an opinion on whether Zedus or Martin are scum? The pros and cons of those questions have been discussed extensively, I’m sure that you should be able to develop some sort of opinion on them.
And... if you don’t have a scum read on Martin, why did you try to vote him before?
Anyway just my theory to help us as town next time with my evaluation I ll put points based on you reasoning of being scum of town , if you scum reasoning is higher I suspect you as scum
Martin clearly said something about lynching day one I think I ll have to back few pages to check
Zedus on the other hand instead of politely explaining why had a overreaction however I think Martin had give us is a bit beneficial compared to Zedus it's my opinion at the moment
So. We have it here in black and white. You attempted to vote Martin. You edited your post (against the rules) to hide that attempted vote. And now you’re trying to claim it never happened.
Please. Explain yourself. Because right now to me this looks damning.
I want everyone to answer this question
If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for
I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades
I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future
I d wish for a successful career as an accountant
I edited my post cause I did it unsuccessfully and thought I d be making a fool if my self however superjack I understand this my rise suspicion to me early on
Well you right to think I'm suspicious but I'm tryna aid us as town I ve alrdy gave some stuff that could make sense why we could be scum possible I could be scum for lying _forgetten/editing posts but I ll make it clear and try to redeem myself, I dont want to make town mislynch otherwise we would be giving mafia advantage
Well I did tell you the truth about why I tried to vote and edit, to be honest I haven't been yesterday for a long time I was busy with homework and chores and ect So you dont have to believe me but I'm telling you I have no reason to listen or hard anything and I must of forgotten but I appreciate it that you played attention to detail
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Okay.
I want to ask you some stuff about your reads. I am trying to get a better picture at this;
Can you elaborate these 4 reads?
What makes you think Dallarian is 100% town and follow him to lynching Zedus? Now you claim you want to lynch Grakylan. This is all looking bad for you.
Why do you call Ash "she"? Is this just a simple gender assumption even though their profile picture clearly display a male? Do you know something we don't?
Auwt was another person Dallarian casually voted up. Why do you think he wanted to lower tension? Can you explain this part to me?
Ok so what's your reasoning for grak being town?
I dont think Dallarian 100% town I gave my reasoning a possibility why he might be town, I miss interpreted ash gender and I think Auwt only spoke for value information when Dallarain voted him but anyway just how I interpreted it, Graklyn seemed sus to me in a way that he was to quite
Ok, so. If we live in easy world, the scum team is one of Zedus/Martin along with one of Helltanis/Grakyln. We have 4 lynches as long as we hit at least one scum, so if we just chain lynch this entire group of players we are guaranteed to win.
If we live in hard world, that’s wrong and there’s also a scum somewhere in Auwt/Dell/bake/renegade.
I’ve felt pretty good though about all those players but Renegade, but honestly their reactions and frustrations with Zedus felt pretty damn sincere and towny, so I think I’m happy to just say they’re town now. None of those reads is rock solid (well, bakemir is pretty solid), but given just how scummy the other four are I feel fairly good about the idea that we just have a winning process of elimination.
The discussion took a way different and interesting way between when I was here and when I wasnt.
Everything is explained in my 'all player analysis, you both voted Martin up and used a very weak/absent reasoning.
As the game goes by, I'm more and more thinking you 2 are not on the same side anyway, thats what I also said when I put up the bakermir/Zedus team
I believe only one of them could be a scum.
Bakermir is trying to discredit you through P12-20.
Thats the kind of post I was waiting for, you openly claiming Town power? Do you have only a way to be confirmed?
If so, I would gladly not be voting on you ! Btw if your future claim is det/lookout and so on, roles that can be easily faked by agent/consiglere I wouldnt consider this as a valid claim. We had same issue during last FM game, where all the roles (almost) were both scum and town sided
Indeed, you can refer as my first answer in this post.
Anyway whoever protect Martin this night isnt that smart. Martin is being scumread by almost half the people in here. Scum would obviously focus on someone not being voted/suspected/whatever you could think. If they do kill Martin, honestly it would relieve the game a lot cause all the people scumreading him would have to update their reads. No point on protecting nor killing Martin at night.
I would like to know, Zedus how willing are you to vote Bakermir, and same question goes for Bakermir, how willing are you to vote Zedus?
Explain more please, and also if you have to put someone as scum (except Martin), who would it be?
And btw my post talking about each of you was done before the one's from Martin. Then Martin updated it in another way that fit more to mine.
And thats why I was talking about "looking for powerless/power role" Ash, I do not want to see this kind of 50% nulling, this is heck scummy.
I am still keeping an eye on Martin/Dallarian, as long we do not know your alignment, do not worry.
Apparently my Grakylan town leaning isnt welcomed by much of you.
Still, I'm only seeing Grakylan as a powerless townie that cant be much so he tries some stuff
He also claimed being a bit busy which is understandable and can correctly fit to explain why he isnt posting that much.
Although, if its possible I would really like to see him post more often and more decisive post.
I dont believe either. And even more, in Zedus/Martin/Bakermir, there cannot be both scums.
Interesting. Almost claiming a town killing then? Do not forget that Kidnapper is still a posibility.
This post doesnt show your mind set at all, you were first stubborn on Martin, ready to lynch him, whatever it would take. You even voted him in your second post for math thingy, gosh.
When I see your previous posts and now I see this, something doesnt add up, for real.
This is scum talking.
What? explanation please?
We have to lynch someone, we cannot let the day pass. Actions have to be taken right now.
When I proposed the Bakermir/Zedus team, I wasnt expecting that comming. We clarified that between Zedus/Bakermir (and maybe Martin) there could be only one scum.
This post then can be seen in 2 different ways : Bakermir knows he is town, and is willing to get Zedus down. OR Bakermir is scum, and will try to live as long as possible and push the target (Zedus) that is currently being voted.
- Stats/math wont solve the game, do not read this as a Martin town please. Your scum!Martin guess is possible.
- Grakylan is apparently a bit busy, his spot is kinda shaky apparently from what ive seen from everyone. Already posted earlier on this.
- For Dallarian, I fully agree with you Helltanis, he is a strong poster but with very small fails considering inclusivity (and yes Dallarian I saw your post about it)
- Ash and I have different mindset, really mysterious for me, but also a strong poster and not affraid to push each of us. Both of your (town|scum)!Ash seem decent.
- I wont analyse myself only thing I can say, is indeed I dont like when there is some tension going on (eh Zedus/Martin lets keep in mind its a game, I know some of you might be really into it but ... sigh )
- Considering Renegade, your observation is really interesting, I share it too, most importantly, he pays more attention to push everyone, almost like Ash.
I have a reserved approach on Renegade, i have an idea of what he could be but nothing so certain atm.
Anyway thats it, enjoy.
Ok, that is a pretty towny wallpost from Auwt there.
Alright, so I feel like Helltanis is scummier than Grak and Zedus is scummier than Martin at the moment. So I’d be open to lynching any of those four in any order but would prefer to start with Zedus or Helltanis. For thread health and less toxicity, Zedus is maybe the best choice for day 1.
Huh? I didn't discredit Zedus. Where did you get that from?
Also, Zedus was on 3 votes. Martin and I didn't vote him up further. He could have been gone but I don't know if you noticed that.
I don't understad what are you trying to mean by this. It is like totally not whats going on right now and I can assure you both are false.
As I have observed earlier, you are trying to control owour Town Power Roles's actions, which, as far as I know should be as secret as possible, to prevent mafia from using that info.
I am kind of repeating my previous post, but if you know what result of night actions will be, you can easily manipulate town to lose it's potential.
You are promising us much, so that we follow your plan, which may in fact lead us to nothing. And there’s possibility attention on D2 will turn toward someone else.
You can’t expect Invest role to open claim early D2 only because they found no clue about you being Mafia. I believe, someone talking about intelligence all the time, should be aware of this. Openly confirming you would be risky.
If Martin is 99.9% scum, then am I 100%? Why are you voting Martin if I am more confirmed Mafia than him?
I am unsure how much time available I will have today. It is possible I may not come during End of Day, so I will not be able to vote. I wasn’t even sure if I would be able to write this post today.
We agreed upon not lynching till End of Day, a lot of people didn’t vote or cancelled their vote in order to prevent hammering. I could safely assume Zedus wouldn’t be lynched during my absence.
Does this actually mean anything though? Like, it seems like it’s either a glitch or a mechanical failure to vote properly by Helltanis - we’ve seen them struggle a fair bit with the voting system. I’m pretty sure Helltanis sincerely intended to vote Grakylan, so we can still draw conclusions that they are likely not aligned, even if the vote wasn’t actually valid.
I used to put you on a same team with Zedus, then you began to be distant from him
If you are not discrediting him, you are at least trying to dismantle the possible team.
In this case, you do not consider yourself to be in the same alignment as Zedus or?
It looks like you are trying to distance yourself more and more from Zedus.
If you remember correctly, in #120, you put Zedus in town read because he was alongside with you
What did happen in between? Zedus got a bit in trouble. And then well you put him in your possible vote list.
I'm seeing this either as a very defensive town move or a survive as long as possible scum.
Dallarian what do you think about a vote on Martin (just asking).
I just want to make sure this protective possible scum Dalla isnt trying to redirect things from Martin to Zedus.
My view on Zedus didn't change and thats another reason why I didn't vote him up. I think you misunderstood me on the whole Zedus problem.
I did criticize his tone with people and his stupid reveal which puts him on a hotspot. He is a good mafia target and a liability for rest of us. My read didn't change on him as drastically as you make it sound.
I wouldn't gamble on Zedus. But if you find him too much toxic then I won't stop any of you.
Yes, first of all I have fun playing this game with you.
Some my other thoughts. A bit brief and not supported by quotes. I hope I will be able to expand it. Expect it late D1, in my lw or early D2.
Auwt is playing very accurate to the setup. He’s pushing people, but not in aggressive way. He knows we have time and can mislynch. He’s not forcing his will upon others. Also is aware others are watching him with great attention and are ready to follow him. His actions doesn’t appear to harm town in any way. He is very aware of the setup in my view, which is not aligment indicative. Looks like strong town, but can be anything.
SJ is patroling streets, ensuring peace in the town and has ability to kill people. Obvious Vigilante to me.
Martin is one big question mark. But he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend.
I would need to reread Renegate to establish my opinion upon him. Seems to be fine.
Ash Lael has good beginning, later a few good questions. But that’s all. He seemed to be town, but now I am unsure.
I still don’t trust bakermir, but he’s not Zedus’ Mafia friend as well.
Helltanis “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”, but he seems to genuinly have no idea what’s going on.
I need to reread Grakylan. He is still suspicious for me. Could be “syndrome of headless chicken, townie running from vote to vote without idea what’s going on”.
I believe I have written enough about Zedus already. Highly likely to be Mafia member.
On bottom of the hell scum and rebel Dallarian. Never trust him.
I suspect Zedus to be in team with Helltanis.
Another possibility would be Auwt with Martin. They cooperate pretty well, don’t they?
I need time I don’t have. I am aware these are a bit general, but this is how I “feel” players right now. I am busy now and may remain busy for idk how long. It may be difficult for me to follow conversation today.