4pics1word/Noctiz
Piano Tiles/Ika
Bloons TD/Louiswill
Words with Friends/Titus
SnapChat/Banshis
Fall Down/Helios
iFunny/xRavenx
Candy Crush Saga/Bahkieh
QuizUp/Fontisian
Tapatalk/Gyver
Cut the Rope/MathBlade
Flappy Bird/ThinkLiveLife
Instagram/42shadow42
Temple Run/Fatalis
Angry Birds/Suzanne
Clash of Clans/Citrus
2048/Apocist
Vine/Nicole
Kik/Gerik
Fruit Ninja/deathworlds
Residential Area -- 8 Production
+2 Happiness. Max 3.Mass Entertainment -- 12 Production
+3 Happiness. Max 1.Where is it stated that using vests reduces happiness?Crafter
At night, you may visit only 1 player to hand them either a 1-shot gun or a 1-use vest. Players must give up their night action to use the gun, but may use the vest with their normal night action. You have two charges of guns, and two charges of vests. Getting additional charges from Wonder/Building will add charges to both.
Sent from my still living assistant Steve using TapatalkAll nations start with 1 Happiness. Using a night action (guns and vests included) lowers your happiness by 1 for each action including additional night actions (ex: Jailors). If you are NOT a Peaceful, you will gain 1 Happiness for nights that you don't take any action. Certain things happen depending on your roles when your Happiness is high, and when your Happiness is low (negative Happiness = positive Unhappiness). It's possible for Happiness to be 0, in which case it'll be referred to as 0 Happiness. There are roles and production factors that can help your happiness levels. Jesters are immune to any happiness benefits or detriments. Happiness effects are NOT cumulative. Unhappiness effects ARE cumulative.
If they are spending 10 production for a vest, when would they have time to build RA's and ME?
And I'm seriously not trying to stop anyone from doing anything. If a player wants a vest they can go for it. I just am against telegraphing our actions as a whole at this point in the game.
Fruit Ninja
I wrote out a case against them, if you care to read it here: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post449462
2048
This uses openly scummy wording in a way that scum would be reluctant to do early on.
I think we should consider saving extraterrestrial work because a townfirm is more useful in endgame.
I haven't encountered many scum confident and shrewd (or stupid, I guess, though 2048 clearly isn't) enough to challenge me calling them town in this manner, which makes 2048 even more likely to be town.
Openly admitted that he doesn't intend to follow a town plan.
Confusion about the day end time is genuine and kind of unlikely to come from scum.
Paranoia about being townread + fear of being shot = town. I could on, but I think this is fairly clear as is.
Vine
Vine using an annoying playstyle while full aware that it's going to piss people off and possibly lead to their lynch. They've also purposely antagonized a fair amount of the playerbase. Normally, I would see the constant mechanics discussion as IIOA (information instead of analysis) done solely to make the poster look good, but that's clearly not the case here. The take away is that they're not afraid of being lynched.
Vine and 2048 have something in common: The don't care how they look to other people.
Clash Of Clans
Clash is only a slight townread.
This felt like genuine annoyance at people not understanding the rules, though that could come from scum.
I kind of like the proposal in post 15 as something they thought was undeniably pro-town.
I like how they were the first to actually vote for Vine after Vine claimed Peaceful, as they must know that they'd look very bad if Vine flipped Peaceful.
I like which post he choose to vote Fruit Ninja over, don't like the way he just called me and Instagram town, do like the way he outlined his read change on me.
Cut The Rope
Let me preface this by saying a lot of this is meta from [redacted]. First off, you've been remarkable open about your identity.
The first sentence makes you a possible Fruit Ninja scummate, but it seems too open for that. I think it's much more likely that you're town worried about a random modkill.
Then there's a good reaction to the peaceful claim.
Damn, look at that towniness. There's paranoia, and a genuine desire to give newbies a chance. Voting Vine afterwards is the logical next step, even if it's wrong. Then it continues in post 130, where you're clearly looking to determine Vine's alignment, not use them as a convenient scapegoat.
I also have trouble believing you don't know who I am, which means you being willing to fight me is a good sign.
Any other questions?
I'm liking a lot of these arguments, but there's also some of the scum points in my argument above that are worrisome to me.
I'm thinking I have an idea with that post. I had some suspicions before but it's starting to get a lot clearer. The fact that you are willing to also discuss the reads with me more than just a "gut" feeling or "knowing" is also a very good sign.
It's more I need to reflect on this and see if you are town and being patient with me or if you are scum trying to deceive me. But definitely have some reservations now. It could also be with how quickly I read the posts some of my instincts could be off.
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Bleh, I guess I could take your scum arguments apart point by point. Annoying.
I disagree. I think I have been pushing discussion and solving the game.
And these are problems because?
Hint: It's number 3. OMGUS is pointless, and wrong does not equal scum.
I'm not going to get anything out of Vine today short of pushing them to a lynch, which I'm not going to do. They're irritating to deal with and probably town, so I'm leaving them be for now.
Again, know is an exaggeration. "Would bet the game on" is a better way of putting it.
The point is that this is a kill heavy setup that makes my dying earlier more likely. Why is that a scum slip?
Now tell me what you think of the arguments against Fruit Ninja.
-vote Fruit Ninja
I'll join the fruit ninja train because I think he is scum mostly on behalf of buddying so early and because he doesn't seem to care to help town out a lot. This post was made hours ago. He said 3 reads without any real indication why he believes them and then he never said any others.
At work, quick thoughts post.
All peacefuls 6 production towards ET Civ.
All investigatives 4 prod towards ET Civ. At least 1 Investigative 2 prod towards New Great Pyramids.
ET Civ is built, conf!town + extra production.
Investigative rushes New Great Pyramids.
Investigative makes a night chat with conf!town. Conf!town releases investigative results etc.
Cons: Takes until D5 for results to be released via day. Multiple Investigatives may waste production for Pyramids. That said, I don't think we'd have more than 2 investigatives in a game this size/setup
Thoughts?
Fix setup link to go to page 1 instead of 3 please and thanks?
I find these series of posts very odd from Fruit Ninja. First he just puts a sheep vote on Vine because he said that she is acting dumb. Then he makes this case about her actually trying to get order and says she has high chance of being a Doomsday Killer from wanting order. Then in 2nd place he puts probably town. I don't think wanting some order in the town in really scummy and I don't get why that is a potential threat to day chat at all if we get organized. The basis for him wanting to get her lynched seems odd and by his chart there is a high chance to hit town with her lynch. She probably isn't a warmonger if Fruit Ninja is which is why he would put Warmongers at number 3 since he knows she isn't. Just my thought, but I think he is just coming up with random stuff to accuse her of being scum for.
I'm out until after the deadline. Lynch scum for me guys.
At Flappy Birds -- Really? I can't even hardly read that. Please post without the word flap everywhere.
Quizup
About chaos statement -- There is a fine line between provoking discussion and then just creating chaos and trying to steer the game. Again I'm still reviewing your posts and trying to see if I got this wrong.
About the 17 posts section -- Having more discussion almost always benefits town. I suggested you were potential scum before I had to go yesterday. This conversation we are having, regardless of how your or my thoughts pan out, benefits town because it gives more information and has the possibility of correcting me if I am incorrect. Just pushing for a lynch and cutting off conversation makes it easier for scum to hide and people to make mistakes.
Yeah I agree on the not getting anything out of Vine and being irritating. With the positive trolling (I don't know what else to call it) there is some benefit for town or at least is not destructive towards the town's goals. I would call this negative trolling as it has a huge negative impact on town and based on this and prior arguments I think Vine is scum. But I may have to leave it alone if no one else follows along which really irks me.
On the "know" segment - agreed asked and answered.
On the last segment - In my opinion, it's a scum slip for assuming 2 kills a night. I agree this is a kill heavy setup which is why I'm encouraging people to scum hunt and get opinions out there. Most of my analysis I've done averages around 2.25-2.5 kills a night. It's in the implication.
I'm working on a Fruit Ninja response post because I need to re-analyze not just those points but some new ones that have come up as well and take care of a few small things that can't wait until after end of day. I hope to have a response up to that in a couple of hours about 3:30-4 pm CST, that would give enough time for discussion as the day ends at 7 PM CST.
Hi guys! I suppose it is time for me to post a defense. (Tpying on this damn thing sucks balls so I will be brief.)
What info do you guys want?
Vine doesn't seem that a dummy but I will keep my eye on her-vote unvote
Since I still haven't seen the a answer to this: does spending production use happiness?
BTW, I probably won't be on again before day ends, and I don't trust a lot of the people on the fruit ninja train, so I'll be abstaining for today.
Edited one of the answers.
Also, setup link has been fixed.
Point 1 -- I don't like this priority. Not so much because it has the Doomsday killer on top but because it narrows the focus of town away from any scum. I got a town read from this originally but looking back I should have noticed the typo as an increased sign of desperation. In combination with everything else it definitely highlights either a scum, serial killer, or a researcher role. After all if SK is gone like this post implies and scum gone as this post implies, then Researcher either aids town in the win condition or has turned jester and why hunt for it? Either it's beneficial and helps town or doesn't exist any more.
Point 2 -- Still not getting the self aware thing. I see how Fruit Ninja is attempting a pre deflect which is kind of scummy but I don't see any self awareness here. This kind of deflection before needed implies a power derp of some kind.
Point 3 -- The mod kill thing...I don't like the fact Fruit Ninja suggested they could be mod killed when they couldn't have edited their post. Raising this amount of panic for an illogical reason seems rather dickish to me, but I don't know if it elevates to scum worthy.
Point 4 -- I do not like that Fruit Ninja pointed out a soft claim. The claim itself was very obvious and I don't think Fruit Ninja did too much by pointing this out in advance. Again, just because I don't like it doesn't necessarily make it scummy.
Point 5 -- Sheeping in general irritates me but is very common day 1 and should be pressured to see why. In combination with Fruit Ninja's removal later, this hints that if Fruit Ninja is scum or SK, that they'd want a mislynch of a peaceful player. For a researcher role, this recent unvote doesn't make sense, so that blows that possibility.
Point 6 -- More pre deflecting. There was some pressure I wouldn't have probably thought a thing about it until it was brought up. I've been way too busy to do my usual analysis of the who's online bit to capture any lurkers and with 20 people it is a bit insane. Doing this twice is definitely suspicious.
Point 7 -- Again more rapid posting (if I believe the tone given off). Rapid posts tend to reveal a player's alignment. I like to use rapid posts for pressure a lot to see what people's true intentions are. A lot of Vine's post do focus on the peacefuls explicitly so I can see the reasoning behind fingering her as SK. But posting it in this manner actually seems to me more likely that Fruit Ninja is the SK.
Point 8 -- This post I actually like. I have lead lynches against trolls that refuse to cooperate because they created chaos that helped scum and made it hard for me to read the board. If you're going to play the game, play it to win.
Point 9 -- Mention of the Doomsday killer again. This makes it much more likely Fruit Nina is the SK and is redirection. Also posting illogical night results as our goal really irks me. The only town role that can kill is the Jailer if no lynch or the Secret Service. Having a goal of killing two mafia seems rather difficult. I understand the lynch would be one of those, but two and the SK in a single day seems really far fetched. This seems to me more like an SK's goal is to get an extra kill by mislynching a peaceful and then trying to night kill two mafia.
The buddying has been done by a lot of players *cough*angry birds *cough* and in general is annoying but not something that makes Fruit Ninja more scum than any other player.
Point 10 -- Another pre deflect. Explained already.
Based on this and the rest of Fruit Ninja's posts (which I tried to accumulate into other arguments) would imply that Fruit Ninja is more than likely the SK if not town. But if Fruit Ninja is the serial killer then this implies that Fruit Ninja believed Vine's claim about being peaceful. This doesn't jive with Fruit Ninja's vote as Vine as scum and then the unvote.
This reevaluation of Fruit Ninja is causing me to also question Vine's/Clash's alignments as well. I'm unvoting for now and then doing more analysis of Clash especially to see which way my vote should fall.
-vote Unvote
Really after I give a lot of big ass posts about not doing this type of suggestions with thoughts? You post this?! Seriously Clash...are you trying to tick me off?! I'm going through the posts like I said, but right now my thoughts of this involve a certain finger on a certain hand in a certain direction. I'll leave the implication of the finger to you.
Sorry for not posting. I've been a bit busy. I've mostly skimmed everything and I'll reread later when I have more time.
Vine looks like she's Day 1 trolling, although she is posting some good ideas. I'm getting a town read from her so far.
Fruit Ninja seems very scummy and he's our best lynch today. I doubt we'd be able to get everyone on someone else in three hours.-vote Fruit Ninja
We should decide on a plan to use for production. It wouldn't be good for everyone to go off and do whatever.
As much as this kills me to say, at this point, it's better to go for the Fruit Ninja lynch.
A friend of mine once explained to me that anti-town isn't always scum. It might be just how Vine plays the game. On the other hand, there is also a SK argument can be made for Fruit Ninja. Between me having to head out and only a few hours left in the day and only partially through my analysis of Vine/Clash, there wouldn't be enough time to post another argument and not going on the lynch could result in a no lynch and that is something I definitely don't want.
Either way this feels like a fucking rock in a hard place.
-vote Fruit Ninja
Three hours till the end of the day, people have had 45 hours to post.
Blooms TD posted two pointless things in the first half hour and hasn't been heard from again, though he was viewing the thread this morning.
Snapchat had a particularly long hiatus but at least picked a side on the current lynch. Still woefully behind in terms of contributions.
Angry Birds made a single post yesterday where he agreed with one person and hasn't been heard from again
4pics1word with only 1 real contribution.
Piano Tiles with 3 posts, and all of them worthless.
Candy Crush Saga hasn't posted anything yet but I see him viewing this thread so he better speak up soon.
Flappy Bird basically shitting on the thread
iFunny, has an ok start with his first post, moments before this one but needs to keep it up
and finally WordsWithFriends having posted absolutely nothing.
Then we also have the people that are afraid of having people see them online. The four presently invisible 2048, Fruit Ninja, iFunny and Instagram. Instagram who appeared to have turned himself invisible some time around when he made this post.
These people comprise my current shit-list for taking info from town, either by removing it or by refusing to give it via conversation.
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Holy shit, the amount of text. Not enough attention span x.x I seriously need to reconsider getting into M-FM's
I think Vine's plan for the most part is a good idea and I will contribute where I can on the Production.
Anyways just checking in again, I'm a little bit surprised TBH at the weight on the Fruit Ninja train, it makes me much more confident in my read. As for other news, Cut the Rope has attracted my eye, mainly because he seems to be off the wall, over the night I intend to investigate him carefully and see what I can come up with.
P.S. Tapatalk you amuse me.
So the Fruit Ninja path got stronger? I can clearly this the lynch going to go through...
-vote Fruit Ninja
Please claim.
*threaten*
Phonepost~
Tapatalk and iFunny are scum. Discuss.
iFunny I can definitely see based on his post. He shows how he hasn't read much of the day at all based on the last sentence where he talks about the plan and then he votes Fruit Ninja. Tapatalk mostly right now because he likes iFunny's post by his attitude toward iFunny wasn't harsh like all the others that he gave post reads on. Showing buddying.
I've reread what I've written and I can definitely see my post on iFunny being interpreted as thinly veiled praise.
iFunny submitted his first post as I was about to submit mine. I read if and was glad to see something of substance rather than "I'm here more posts to come later". He needs to post a lot more substantive posts to make it off of the first part of my shit list. While being on the second part of my shit list for being invisible.
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NIGHT 1 - ADJOURNMENT
Tensions during the First Meeting of New York soared high as leaders quickly found reason to instigate with other leaders. It was apparent that none of us had any more charisma and diplomacy than a standard howler monkey. Fruit Ninja was especially toxic to the discussion and a series of legislations were proposed to cripple his country. The meeting was adjourned before enough votes could be gathered, however.
Words with Friends was feeling sick. His voice was gone so he couldn't talk the entire day. Realizing the importance of communication for international cooperation, he replaced himself out with another delegate.
Words with Friends has been replaced.
Living players:
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
SnapChat
Angry Birds
QuizUp
Clash of Clans
2048
4pics1word
Candy Crush Saga
Cut The Rope
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Tapatalk
Vine
Piano Tiles
Fall Down
Graveyard:
None
Night 1 will end at: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...+5%3A00+PM+PST
DAY 2 - JAXA Headquarters, Tokyo
Behold the power of cooperation. Mankind trusted one another enough to work on a project that would truly benefit the future. Extraterrestrial Colonization was a resounding success and will stand as a symbol of unity for as long as Earth thrives with life. Every country that contributed an honest effort made scientific advancements that will permanently bolster their output. The leader of this project, Candy Crush Saga, was recognized by all as the world's greatest Peaceseeker.
As our leaders watched the first spaceship fly off into the final frontier, they felt hope that had only been felt before the Great Mistake. Another world meeting was called at the JAXA Headquarters in Tokyo to celebrate the occasion and discuss further affairs.
It was a glorious day...and then the reality of the situation set in again. They were still under threat from the Warmongers and Doomsday.
Tapatalk never showed up to Tokyo. In fact, he never made it home from New York. His plane was intercepted after Day 1 by a band of terrorists and destroyed. No bodies were recovered but the salvaging team found paintings and artifacts that gave definitive proof that Tapatalk was Cleopatra, the Cultural. His office also exploded in the dead of night, leaving nothing but a crater. Whoever did this must have assumed he'd still be there.
Tapatalk was killed by the Warmongers and Doomsday. His role was Cleopatra, the Cultural.
Spoiler : Last Will :
Living players [19]:
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
SnapChat
Angry Birds
QuizUp
Clash of Clans
2048
4pics1word
Candy Crush Saga
Cut The Rope
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Vine
Piano Tiles
Fall Down
Graveyard [1]:
Tapatalk - Cleopatra, Cultural (Died Night 1)
10 votes to hammer.
Day 2 will end at this time: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...+5%3A00+PM+PST
Last edited by King Terenas Menethil; June 20th, 2014 at 05:06 PM.
Shame on you for not having a last will. I'm surprised considering the strength of your posting.
Everyone make sure to write your damn last wills.
No feedback here.
So Candy is confirmed town....might be good to have a doc on him.
And by you I was talking to Tapatalk, though that should be obvious.
All hail Candy Crush, our glorious leader!
last will? can we try to figure out who is who?
Investigatives who helped build the Great Extra-Terrestrial Civilization, I now draw your attention to the New Great Pyramids.
You will beat anyone who spent all their N1 production on the Pyramids, and you may be able to set up a night chat with Candy Crush or another player you trust.
I think it would be a wise idea for everyone else to shuttle production into the Hunger Games tonight. There's the possibility of buying Vests which helps us more than scum. Additionally, it' revealed who gets the one-shot gun so we could theoretically use it as a second lynch by voting on who they shoot by day OR Candy Crush if alive dictates who to shoot.
Thus, we can use TWO lynches for the next day/night cycle and gain a bunch of one-time vests.
Thoughts?
Vine, care to share what kinda of feedback Tapatalk would have received if you visited him?
Clash talking about which path to pursue is not the best for production.
We went over this Day 1, it only allows for scum to counter it.