70 million pissed off republicans and not one city burned to the ground.

[Voss]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/s...03148684718086


When will the military democratic radical left antifa learn to protest peacefully?

[Voss]

gn. feel free to move this to circle jerk @other moderators.

[Helz]

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What I found more amusing was how people burning down businesses and looting were referred to as protests by some outlets but this incident is called ‘carnage’ and ‘rioting’

The way the media try’s to spin stuff makes me sick

I will point out that there were republicans trashing hundred thousand dollar media cameras and some other vandalism even if it was nowhere close to what we saw in the pre-election riots. I’m curious to see how a number of people on this forum react to this post in a day where people view any statement against their political affiliation as a personal attack on themselves

[Marshmallow Marshall]

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What I found more amusing was how people burning down businesses and looting were referred to as protests by some outlets but this incident is called ‘carnage’ and ‘rioting’

The way the media try’s to spin stuff makes me sick

I will point out that there were republicans trashing hundred thousand dollar media cameras and some other vandalism even if it was nowhere close to what we saw in the pre-election riots. I’m curious to see how a number of people on this forum react to this post in a day where people view any statement against their political affiliation as a personal attack on themselves

The media are indeed terribly partial and biased, which fuels the fire, but that doesn't make those rioters any less rioting, just how it doesn't make those burning down businesses in the name of "fighting racism" (lol, like that's how you do it) "peaceful protesters", assuming that's what you're talking about.

Also, there's a difference between burning and looting businesses and assaulting the Capitol of the United States. There's an extremely strong symbol being attacked in the last case, while there's some money to be made and some "fun" to be had in the first.

[oops_ur_dead]

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What I found more amusing was how people burning down businesses and looting were referred to as protests by some outlets but this incident is called ‘carnage’ and ‘rioting’

The way the media try’s to spin stuff makes me sick

I will point out that there were republicans trashing hundred thousand dollar media cameras and some other vandalism even if it was nowhere close to what we saw in the pre-election riots. I’m curious to see how a number of people on this forum react to this post in a day where people view any statement against their political affiliation as a personal attack on themselves

Helz: wtf i searched the internet for "cnn capitol riots" and all the media was liberal-learning articles calling the events riots???? wtf media bias confirmed???

Bizarre to me that you think that people fucking up a few Targets is somehow worse than a large group of people breaching the Capitol forcing the Senate to evacuate. I do have to wonder what the right would have do to in America for you to actually admit that they did something bad without saying "well actually left bad too".

[oops_ur_dead]

For the record, I think these events were great because it shows the fantastic hypocrisy and hilarity of the right. For instance, we get to see people on the right, and especially centrists, trying to justify how these events were just as bad as the BLM protests/riots but no worse. I'm sure in a couple of hours, there are going to be people trying to deflect by drawing attention instead to how Trump was banned off Twitter for 12 hours, and how that's literally just as bad as the holocaust.

Also illustrated how chickenshit and biased the cops are, given that they fortified the fuck out of the Capitol when the BLM stuff was going on, but this time around they had like 3 cops to defend it during an event that was planned for weeks, and the cops straight up opened the fences/gates to let people into the Capitol.

[Grayswandir]

But it says Carnage in the first hit

[oops_ur_dead]

But it says Carnage in the first hit

I don't see your point.

[Grayswandir]

Helz: wtf i searched the internet for "cnn capitol riots" and all the media was liberal-learning articles calling the events riots???? wtf media bias confirmed???

Bizarre to me that you think that people fucking up a few Targets is somehow worse than a large group of people breaching the Capitol forcing the Senate to evacuate. I do have to wonder what the right would have do to in America for you to actually admit that they did something bad without saying "well actually left bad too".

rofl Helz was trashing the media for calling them ‘carnages’ and ‘riots’ when they called the BLM riots ‘protests’, and you literally send a screenshot of them calling the riots... carnages and riots. xD

That’s not what Helz is saying.

[Grayswandir]

I don’t mean to go on my critique of reading again, but honestly, this is yet another argument that could’ve been avoided had ppl spent like 30 extra seconds to think about Helz’s post before commenting.

[oops_ur_dead]

Dude did you miss the gigantic red circle? That was Helz's own screenshot, he literally searched for "cnn capitol riots" and got media articles calling them riots. I don't know what else he expected.

There was also media calling the BLM events "riots" if you went on the internet and searched for "fox blm riots" but nobody felt the need to point that out for some reason.

[Grayswandir]

Oh lol I missed that, my bad. Guess it’s my turn to say I should’ve taken the time to read more properly 🤠

[Voss]

I'm not sure why anyone's surprised that an uber left wing media outlet CNN would call these riots and terrorists. I'm just waiting for anyone out of the group that usually worships the president's toenails to say

"Capitol vandalism is bad."

or maybe even

"There were elements to this that were not peaceful."

But that might be too nuanced of a statement for the sc2mafia community.

[oops_ur_dead]

I'm not sure why anyone's surprised that an uber left wing media outlet CNN would call these riots and terrorists. I'm just waiting for anyone out of the group that usually worships the president's toenails to say

"Capitol vandalism is bad."

or maybe even

"There were elements to this that were not peaceful."

But that might be too nuanced of a statement for the sc2mafia community.

Hard mode: Say either of those on their own, without dressing it up with a statement about how the left does bad things too, such as talking about BLM riots.

I object to your statement that CNN is "uber left wing", though. They're very strictly liberal.

[yzb25]

if an election was rigged, serious protests would be justified. Maybe even storming congress and shit. The right is genuinely convinced the election was rigged to allow a puppet of the Chinese Communist Party to win. Their actions are awful but make total sense within their delusion.

What can I say, this is why you don't lie about rigged elections, especially when you've tried like 70+ court cases and they've all failed, with both right wing and left wing judges. When politicians start openly throwing shade on the outcomes of elections, shit like this happens.

[Voss]

Okay maybe I was too exaggerating there. I'm really really hoping this doesn't devolve the thread but I'll say this. My experience with CNN is that they also have trouble being presentationally objective, but Faux is blatantly worse. And while I usually refuse to watch either, I wanted to get that sensationalism yesterday and turned to CNN.

Also, shoutout to Kelly Loeffler for not objecting to the results, even after she had lost her Georgia senate race. Way to not be a sore loser.

[oops_ur_dead]

if an election was rigged, serious protests would be justified. Maybe even storming congress and shit. The right is genuinely convinced the election was rigged to allow a puppet of the Chinese Communist Party to win. Their actions are awful but make total sense within their delusion.

What can I say, this is why you don't lie about rigged elections, especially when you've tried like 70+ court cases and they've all failed, with both right wing and left wing judges. When politicians start openly throwing shade on the outcomes of elections, shit like this happens.

This hits the nail right on the head. If there was actual fraud to the scale that is claimed, and the election was stolen, this is the least of what the response should be.

However, this is why all of this election fraud bullshit that's being spread is so dangerous. I've seen right-wingers that disingenuously claim that this is just bog-standard validation of results and that if the election was legitimate why would anyone try to oppose these challenges, in an attempt to gaslight people into thinking that the intent is anything other than to throw shit at the walls to see what sticks and to attempt a coup of the government.

These challenges to the election were never legitimate challenges, not a single person claiming that shit would have gone home at the end of it all and said "well guess the libs were right, Trump lost after all". These people, including Trump himself, are deluded to the point that they believe that a Trump loss is simply impossible. And then the result is that you have people who believe this to the point that they are willing to die bleeding wrapped in a Trump flag.

I feel bad for the people who have been brainwashed to this degree, and have lost their lives in defence of this con. Shame on anyone who tried so hard to perpetrate this nonsense.

[Grayswandir]

What a wholesome conclusion. Maybe there is hope for this forum yet.

[Helz]

Helz: wtf i searched the internet for "cnn capitol riots" and all the media was liberal-learning articles calling the events riots???? wtf media bias confirmed???

Bizarre to me that you think that people fucking up a few Targets is somehow worse than a large group of people breaching the Capitol forcing the Senate to evacuate. I do have to wonder what the right would have do to in America for you to actually admit that they did something bad without saying "well actually left bad too".

I don’t see how that invalidates my point at all. I would say this was an objectively much more ‘peaceful’ protest yet CNN framed the situation as carnage and rioting while when people were literally throwing bombs into government buildings, looting stores and assaulting police they framed it as a ‘protest.’ I honestly doubt there’s a person on this forum who is even surprised about that pattern; or that Fox is doing the opposite.

If you would like to have a conversation about the right doing something wrong I think the presidential pardons were some of the most overtly corrupt behavior I have ever seen in America.

I do understand where you are coming from though. I have a friend that’s all wrapped up in the trump nonsense and I literally showed him court transcripts and video of trumps head lawyer flat out telling a judge they are not claiming election fraud and he still refuses to accept there was not fraud. He even managed to connect that van bombing to the election with some pretty insane logic.

I am curious though. Do people really view the incident at the capitol as worse behavior than the blm/antifa riots? I personally find that pretty absurd but I would like to hear the logic behind such a view.

[yzb25]

I don’t see how that invalidates my point at all. I would say this was an objectively much more ‘peaceful’ protest yet CNN framed the situation as carnage and rioting while when people were literally throwing bombs into government buildings, looting stores and assaulting police they framed it as a ‘protest.’ I honestly doubt there’s a person on this forum who is even surprised about that pattern; or that Fox is doing the opposite.

If you would like to have a conversation about the right doing something wrong I think the presidential pardons were some of the most overtly corrupt behavior I have ever seen in America.

I do understand where you are coming from though. I have a friend that’s all wrapped up in the trump nonsense and I literally showed him court transcripts and video of trumps head lawyer flat out telling a judge they are not claiming election fraud and he still refuses to accept there was not fraud. He even managed to connect that van bombing to the election with some pretty insane logic.

I am curious though. Do people really view the incident at the capitol as worse behavior than the blm/antifa riots? I personally find that pretty absurd but I would like to hear the logic behind such a view.

Not that I feel much sympathy for most of these state officials, but attacking government buildings is a very different kind of riot to when the common peasants burn eachother's shit. I wouldn't go as far as to say worse, but different. If things went too far, it would carry the threat of a thousand much worse riots. Which is why that corpse-turtle Mitch Mcconnell has magically become deeply concerned about due process and election slander after his ass came a little to close to getting put on a pike XD.

And I at the very least feel bad for the janitors, secretaries and other unrelated ppl who got caught up in the government's crap.

[SuperJack]

I believe that trying to figure out which is worse is difficult, because of how you measure it and what they stand for.

BML where riots and protests against their belief police brutality and racism.
Capitol riots and protests where for the belief of a fraudulent election.

BML where long lasting protests which a minority abused to riot and loot
Capitol where a short-term protest which a minority abused to invade the Capitol.

BML damaged peoples lives and lively hood.
Capitol damaged democracy and the country's foundations.



So, what is worse it is totally depend on how you measure it and what your opinion is in what is more important. And to argue is only really a aggressive way to tell someone what opinion more important.

[Helz]

Not that I feel much sympathy for most of these state officials, but attacking government buildings is a very different kind of riot to when the common peasants burn eachother's shit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uw_MftwvRL8

Here is a video showing how a guy was tracked down by reddit users after he threw a literal home made bomb into a government building. I think you should watch it and reevaluate what you said.

The entire point of this thread is detailed in the title. There are lots of pissy Republicans, many of which believe the fundamental democratic process has been compromised but you do not see city’s burning to the ground or looting or people using lasers in an attempt to blind cops.

I really don’t care about each sides motivation. It’s not what your cause is that’s the issue, it’s how you fight for your cause. What happened at the capitol was wrong but I see it as objectively much more peaceful. On both the mass scale of a nation and the micro scale of that one protest/riot you see a significant difference in the behaviors of the two political party’s. I feel like that should objectively be acknowledged.

Just imagine what would be going on right now if Trump had won the election.

[SuperJack]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uw_MftwvRL8

Here is a video showing how a guy was tracked down by reddit users after he threw a literal home made bomb into a government building. I think you should watch it and reevaluate what you said.

The entire point of this thread is detailed in the title. There are lots of pissy Republicans, many of which believe the fundamental democratic process has been compromised but you do not see city’s burning to the ground or looting or people using lasers in an attempt to blind cops.

I really don’t care about each sides motivation. It’s not what your cause is that’s the issue, it’s how you fight for your cause. What happened at the capitol was wrong but I see it as objectively much more peaceful. On both the mass scale of a nation and the micro scale of that one protest/riot you see a significant difference in the behaviors of the two political party’s. I feel like that should objectively be acknowledged.

Just imagine what would be going on right now if Trump had won the election.

Is it fair to compared the two? They both had different origins and different goals. And both would of been taken advantage of a minority of each side, that may not even have the same reasonings as the protesters.

As far as I'm aware, the majority of protests will have a small number of people who go to the extreme or take advantage of it. If a large scale protests from the Trump followers where on the scale of BML, you would get equal amount of destruction. Same goes for BML if it was on the same scale as the Capitol you would most likely get similar levels of rioting and invasion.

Whenever a reactional protest occurs there will be those who will use it for devious desires, to then blame left side or right side for the destruction isn't really the truth. (Par exceptions where Leaders are feeding the flame on purpose)

Also, couldn't you point too 2016 regarding a Trump election?

[Helz]

Is it fair to compared the two? They both had different origins and different goals. And both would of been taken advantage of a minority of each side, that may not even have the same reasonings as the protesters.

As far as I'm aware, the majority of protests will have a small number of people who go to the extreme or take advantage of it. If a large scale protests from the Trump followers where on the scale of BML, you would get equal amount of destruction. Same goes for BML if it was on the same scale as the Capitol you would most likely get similar levels of rioting and invasion.

Whenever a reactional protest occurs there will be those who will use it for devious desires, to then blame left side or right side for the destruction isn't really the truth. (Par exceptions where Leaders are feeding the flame on purpose)

Also, couldn't you point too 2016 regarding a Trump election?

Sure there will always be idiots. Yesterday I watched some guy stack up a bunch of extremely expensive video equipment, put a tarp over it and try to light it on fire.

My point (and the point of this thread) is that there’s a noticeable difference in the behaviors of the two sides. There have been quite a few rally’s and protests by republicans sense the election but you don’t see much media coverage because there’s no lines of police in riot gear pushing a mob that’s throwing bricks at them. If anything I would say the lack of coverage itself points to the basic difference we are talking about.

There is not a massive difference in the amount of republicans vs Democrats but we see a very different reaction on a large scale. On the most basic level the lack of civil disorder speaks to that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if republicans have some crazy hillbilly with a rifle who decides to ‘protest’ with a bullet but when that happens I don’t think the same equivocations will be drawn.

I would also point out the political climate in 2016 was very different than it was this year. If Trump has won we would have seen some crazy stuff.

[SuperJack]

Sure there will always be idiots. Yesterday I watched some guy stack up a bunch of extremely expensive video equipment, put a tarp over it and try to light it on fire.

My point (and the point of this thread) is that there’s a noticeable difference in the behaviors of the two sides. There have been quite a few rally’s and protests by republicans sense the election but you don’t see much media coverage because there’s no lines of police in riot gear pushing a mob that’s throwing bricks at them. If anything I would say the lack of coverage itself points to the basic difference we are talking about.

There is not a massive difference in the amount of republicans vs Democrats but we see a very different reaction on a large scale. On the most basic level the lack of civil disorder speaks to that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if republicans have some crazy hillbilly with a rifle who decides to ‘protest’ with a bullet but when that happens I don’t think the same equivocations will be drawn.

I would also point out the political climate in 2016 was very different than it was this year. If Trump has won we would have seen some crazy stuff.

There isn't a noticeable difference due to politics sides. There is a different scale and different ignition along with different endings. Trying to compare a bear to a shark is perhaps absolutely stupid. Yes sure they are both animals but it's illogical to compare them to see which is worse.

Both side have a majority that will do things respective, just as each side have a minority that shit on society.

Both sides have protests which are peaceful. Here we talk about Organized protests as opposed to reactional protests. Organized protests tend to be the more peaceful protests, as they feed off people's rationality and are planned along with law enforcement.
Reactional protests feed off emotion, these are the most chaotic ones than tend to contain more vandalism and crime.

And yes, the media will always twist the truth to whatever will give them the most customers and profit.

So no, there isn't a difference between political protests, it's all the type of protest and what benifits the media and

[Helz]

I disagree. My buddy’s kid is a firefighter in LA and after the election there were lots of hotels booked out with people who had prepped to riot. Even though trump lost they apparently didn’t want the Molotov cocktails they made go to waste so he still had to chase down some arson and put out fires as they celebrated.

That’s the exact same event on both sides- the election result. But one side had groups of people planning out and setting up to raise hell. There is no reactionary nature to going to a city you don’t live in and coordinating an attack. You could even call that straight up terrorism given it’s using violence for a political end.

I do agree that each side will have its extremist groups within it but nothing changes the objective fact that there’s some 70 million pissed off republicans and no city’s are burning down, no cops being blinded, no bombs being thrown into federal buildings, no stores being looted. I don’t think anyone would make the argument that those things would not be occurring right now if Trump has won and given that difference is centered around political sides I would argue that the behavioral differences can be connected to their respective political groups.

I am not saying republicans are more moral or better people or anything of the sort. I fully expect some nut jobs with a rifle or a bomb to do something stupid in the next few years but I will say the objective information in front of us suggests a very clear pattern in how each side ‘protests.’

[oops_ur_dead]

Why is it that every single thread about some criticism of the right always turns into deflections and whataboutisms? I see this constantly.

The BLM protests/riots aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand, why are they being brought up?

[SuperJack]

I disagree. My buddy’s kid is a firefighter in LA and after the election there were lots of hotels booked out with people who had prepped to riot. Even though trump lost they apparently didn’t want the Molotov cocktails they made go to waste so he still had to chase down some arson and put out fires as they celebrated.

That’s the exact same event on both sides- the election result. But one side had groups of people planning out and setting up to raise hell. There is no reactionary nature to going to a city you don’t live in and coordinating an attack. You could even call that straight up terrorism given it’s using violence for a political end.

I do agree that each side will have its extremist groups within it but nothing changes the objective fact that there’s some 70 million pissed off republicans and no city’s are burning down, no cops being blinded, no bombs being thrown into federal buildings, no stores being looted. I don’t think anyone would make the argument that those things would not be occurring right now if Trump has won and given that difference is centered around political sides I would argue that the behavioral differences can be connected to their respective political groups.

I am not saying republicans are more moral or better people or anything of the sort. I fully expect some nut jobs with a rifle or a bomb to do something stupid in the next few years but I will say the objective information in front of us suggests a very clear pattern in how each side ‘protests.’

So again, a deranged person who had weapons means that you can now place everyone who booked a space in a hotel in the same league.

And yet, there was a gathering with people planning and setting out to raise hell (Which would of used the rally held in the city as a stepping stone) And yes short-term solo/small group planning is reactional due to the fears that things won't go the right way.

The big problem with the republicans is they are all split up on who to blame, or what they hate currently. Not all republicans think the election is fraudulent. Some of them hate trump, some of them hate the republican party, some of them hate the republicans who didn't side with trump. They are currently a split base with no true direction to where to place the blame.

And once again, it roles back to scale. The scale of the Capitol was small, and had a very short endgame. Yet there are already 4 deaths, multiple bombs, plans to take hostages and god knows what national security data was breached. But it was short lived because the work in the Capitol was finished and the Law enforcement didn't have enough time to organize a more threating response.

With the BLM protests, you had a toxic cycle of fighting against police brutality, which then was used against them, and escalated it more. Add in the factors of it being a racial movement, and anti- police violence movement where all states have had their share of incidents caused the scale to expand, add with the goals not only being undefined but there was no end date or easy goal to reach meant the event scaled up even more. Then it was given a hard political spin to worsen the stability.

The objective information is definitely suggestive, because you are selecting which events you wish to account for. Want to include abortion/climate change/gay rights/anti war protests for the Dems? Or are you just happy selecting the more violent and reactional protests comped to all republican protests?

[Helz]

Why is it that every single thread about some criticism of the right always turns into deflections and whataboutisms? I see this constantly.

The BLM protests/riots aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand, why are they being brought up?

The discussion title is "70 million pissed off republicans and not one city burned to the ground." I don't think there are many bits of conversation that could be any more directly related.

I do feel like whataboutisms is an issue on both sides. Maybe more so for republicans. I think a larger portion of republicans justifications boils down to a little kid saying 'we they did it too' although I am not sure how you could call pointing to BLM protests/riots whataboutisms in the slightest given the thread name..

So again, a deranged person who had weapons means that you can now place everyone who booked a space in a hotel in the same league.

And yet, there was a gathering with people planning and setting out to raise hell (Which would of used the rally held in the city as a stepping stone) And yes short-term solo/small group planning is reactional due to the fears that things won't go the right way.

The big problem with the republicans is they are all split up on who to blame, or what they hate currently. Not all republicans think the election is fraudulent. Some of them hate trump, some of them hate the republican party, some of them hate the republicans who didn't side with trump. They are currently a split base with no true direction to where to place the blame.

And once again, it roles back to scale. The scale of the Capitol was small, and had a very short endgame. Yet there are already 4 deaths, multiple bombs, plans to take hostages and god knows what national security data was breached. But it was short lived because the work in the Capitol was finished and the Law enforcement didn't have enough time to organize a more threating response.

With the BLM protests, you had a toxic cycle of fighting against police brutality, which then was used against them, and escalated it more. Add in the factors of it being a racial movement, and anti- police violence movement where all states have had their share of incidents caused the scale to expand, add with the goals not only being undefined but there was no end date or easy goal to reach meant the event scaled up even more. Then it was given a hard political spin to worsen the stability.

The objective information is definitely suggestive, because you are selecting which events you wish to account for. Want to include abortion/climate change/gay rights/anti war protests for the Dems? Or are you just happy selecting the more violent and reactional protests comped to all republican protests?

It was not 'a person' or 'a small group of people.' Watch the riot footage and you can find large masses of people equipped with gas masks, radios and home made shields. Some of the groups even appear to have trained to move as a unit with their shield walls and have established group tasks / tactics. I am not sure how you can call that reactionary. I have never seen an event and on a whim built bombs, anti riot control gear and coordinated a group of people with tatics. That takes planning, coordination, and time.

I am not saying there were not peaceful protests. There were absolutely tons of them. I am saying that the nation would be burning right now if the election had gone a different way and that reflects a difference in how political groups fight for their cause on a large scale.

You can bring in as many factors as you want but it does not change the fact that democratic political protests had mass vandalism, looting, and violence and thats been much less so in republican political protests. Include every protest in the last year on both sides if you would like but it does not change anything. Your basically saying I am cherry picking my data but I do not believe I have once said 'excluding this information' or 'if you only look at this' in any way.

I am not sure why you are so dead set on insisting the blatant pattern of vandalism does not exist as of right now. I could totally see if you were making the argument that we will have to see how republicans behave over the next 4 years under a democratic president; but it still doesn't change the information right now.

[SuperJack]

It was not 'a person' or 'a small group of people.' Watch the riot footage and you can find large masses of people equipped with gas masks, radios and home made shields. Some of the groups even appear to have trained to move as a unit with their shield walls and have established group tasks / tactics. I am not sure how you can call that reactionary. I have never seen an event and on a whim built bombs, anti riot control gear and coordinated a group of people with tatics. That takes planning, coordination, and time.

I am not saying there were not peaceful protests. There were absolutely tons of them. I am saying that the nation would be burning right now if the election had gone a different way and that reflects a difference in how political groups fight for their cause on a large scale.

You can bring in as many factors as you want but it does not change the fact that democratic political protests had mass vandalism, looting, and violence and thats been much less so in republican political protests. Include every protest in the last year on both sides if you would like but it does not change anything. Your basically saying I am cherry picking my data but I do not believe I have once said 'excluding this information' or 'if you only look at this' in any way.

I am not sure why you are so dead set on insisting the blatant pattern of vandalism does not exist as of right now. I could totally see if you were making the argument that we will have to see how republicans behave over the next 4 years under a democratic president; but it still doesn't change the information right now.

Again, you are comparing a large long scale event to a small short scale event. Yes Obviously the bigger event is going to be worse than the smaller one.
People will organize groups, tactics and equipment during reactional protests once enough time has elapsed. They didn't storm out day 1 of the protests with all this organization, it was a reaction against the force that was used against them.
And its a poor comparison to compare what would happen if the election had gone another way because its clear to the world what sort of leader Trump has been.
One of the main reasons there are not mass-scale protests right now from the republican voters are because they are so divided in who to blame.
Where as the other riots had very easy relatable reasons (Racism & Police brutality).
We in the UK had riots for similar reasons, Police killed a black man.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_E...of_Mark_Duggan.
The difference is that the US riots where heavily twisted into Dem vs Reps. It is vastly unfair to call BLM a democratic protest. And it's horrible that it viewed as such.

The argument I am making, is that neither democrats or republicans have better/worse riots than each other and it's manipulative to name it so.
Both sides would of had people of both sides taking part just to take advantage of it.
What you have, is the scale of the protests/riots which determine how bad the protests/riots are.



Also going to stop replying/posting this topic because my opinion is said and no longer matters.

[StarGunner]

Hey guys just reading thru some of your comments. I think that this should have never happened. Not only were the White House police unprepared for such a large gathering of people, but President Trump is also in the wrong here for pumping up the rioters and sending them to the White House. Very very bad stuff for sure. I used to support President Trump but now I am with Joe Biden, not because he's better but because that is just the next best choice and President Trump should NOT have told them to do that. What did he think was gonna happen? I've heard reports that some people were injured and even killed. This is very unfortunate. Do NOT listen to Trump when he tells you to go to the White House.

[DJarJar]

Helz not sure why you’re using BLM 2020 to somehow convince yourself the Biden 2020 reaction is “better” than the trump 2016 reaction. An obvious false equivalency but whatever.

Additionally, these people didn’t just riot, they attempted to forcibly stop congress from certifying the election. And for awhile they SUCCEEDED!

And the thread title is clearly sarcastic...

[yzb25]

Why is it that every single thread about some criticism of the right always turns into deflections and whataboutisms? I see this constantly.

The BLM protests/riots aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand, why are they being brought up?

maan this is so true and this is so exhausting. If I see someone criticizing cnn for being partisan hacks and lapdogs for the democratic establishment I don't reply to them with "bu-bu-bu FOX". If someone wants to start a thread on the legitimately awful decisions Clinton took as foreign secretary during Obama's first term I wouldn't start talking about Trump's policy with Iran. The right always feels the need to do these whataboutisms. They unironically bring up Obama and expect you to defend the dude. You think I give a shit about Obama? Bro, I will cancel Obama right now. I am a boundless, gorgeous social justice warrior and I will cancel ANYONE who takes my 1/16th Native American heritage in vain.

That said, Voss 100% brought this upon himself with the thread title. I myself have no idea how to start a good forum topic, but this is just awful XD.

p;edit in case it isn't clear, it's awful because it sets such a low bar for political discourse. If discussing the abject failure of the Trump presidency and the legitimate damage it's done to democracy around the world constantly has to be done in the context of "well the democrats are bad too" and "well I think the democrats would do [X] which is even worse" then everything just becomes a race to the bottom and we lose any ability to mount meaningful criticism of anything politicians do because they're all shit.

[Grayswandir]

Why is it that every single thread about some criticism of the right always turns into deflections and whataboutisms? I see this constantly.

The BLM protests/riots aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand, why are they being brought up?

Stop teasing each other. Fuck already!

[Renegade]

Okay maybe I was too exaggerating there. I'm really really hoping this doesn't devolve the thread but I'll say this. My experience with CNN is that they also have trouble being presentationally objective, but Faux is blatantly worse. And while I usually refuse to watch either, I wanted to get that sensationalism yesterday and turned to CNN.

Also, shoutout to Kelly Loeffler for not objecting to the results, even after she had lost her Georgia senate race. Way to not be a sore loser.

Laffler should get absolutely no credit. Despicable insider trader, Trump supporter until it stopped being convenient.

[Renegade]

Another day, another thread for the crypto's.

Very special people!

[Grayswandir]

Another day, another thread for the crypto's.

Very special people!

Why do your posts read like they were written by Donald Trump?

[Voss]

Laffler should get absolutely no credit. Despicable insider trader, Trump supporter until it stopped being convenient.

Unfortunately, the bar is now very low.

[Grayswandir]

Not sure if the thread title is serious, or sarcastic, but I agree with Trump Junior’a tweet about it. When there were outraged Democrats, the country burned up and multiple ppl lost their lives and/or had their livelihood affected in some manner, by having their businesses or shops they would go to, burned down by a bunch of hooligans
Meanwhile, when you get 70 million pissed off Republicans, you get one riot, a several hours long riot, that ended fairly quickly, with just one federal building damaged.
I think it speaks for itself. :P

Also, I see multiple ppl arguing that somehow, this is actually worse than Democrats rioting over Floyd, and I don’t really see how or why, the intensity of it was not the same.

As for whether it’s justified or good, no, political violence is nevee justified, except maybe if a literal dictatorship is on the table. If ppl were tried to institute a communist dictatorship, then yes, the rioting would be justified, I would even join in on it myself. I would rather have Pinochet, Franco, Kaiser Wilhelm, the Tsar, hell, even Benito fucking Mussolini, over Lenin/Trotsky/Dzerdzinsky (I probably spelt that wrong), anyday

So as a Trunp supporter, I think going on a rampage and attacking ppl is absolutely the wrong way to approach this, like I thought about it a little and I thought, the best thing you can do is keep calm, and a cool head, don’t be reduced to a mindless, angry beast, because a) that’s what your enemies want, and b) there is a reason there is a Democratic system in place, and why we have Laws, we can’t subvert them whenever we feel it’s convenient. Also, terrible target if they wanted to take over Congress and force then to not ratify the results of the election, if they really wanted to do some good they should’ve raided the FBI Headquarters to force them to carry out a damn investigation

As for the ppl saying Trump was egging them on, no he wasn’t, at the time the protest hadn’t turned into a riot, he was telling ppl to protest, nothing wrong with that, politicians do it all the time. He even denounced the violence going on after they turned violent. Funny how Trump is the one inciting to violence when NONE of the Democratic politicians denounced BLM riots and instead deflected by saying ‘we’re with the peaceful protesters’, and then attempted to paint ppl like the couple who defended their home, and Kyle Rittenhouse, as somehow being ‘white supremacists’
-rant mode off-

[Grayswandir]

The only interesting counterpoint I saw is that, Republicans didnt endure 4 years of a president they hated, so maybe thats also a factor, and maybe we’ll see more violence akin to that of the Democrats in the coming years (from Republicans)

[Grayswandir]

Why is it that every single thread about some criticism of the right always turns into deflections and whataboutisms? I see this constantly.

The BLM protests/riots aren't even relevant to the discussion at hand, why are they being brought up?

Also, because I’m an asshole, and like to remind ppl of it, I’ll point out, if you had actually read his post and spent like 60 extra seconds thinking about it, there is no way you would’ve reached such a garbage conclusion. Nothing in Helz’s post indicates he is a Republican, a Trump Supporter, or even conservative in general. Man has said he hates both of the parties, and indicated he doesn’t think there is anything more moral about Republicans than Democrats (probably true). But, seeing as ppl want to feel outrage and are more than happy to project ‘whataboutisms’ (btw, THIS post is a whataboutism, or at least not related to what Helz is saying) onto the other person, simply for challenging their political beliefs, I don’t think anyone should find this surprising.

[Grayswandir]

Helz not sure why you’re using BLM 2020 to somehow convince yourself the Biden 2020 reaction is “better” than the trump 2016 reaction. An obvious false equivalency but whatever.

Additionally, these people didn’t just riot, they attempted to forcibly stop congress from certifying the election. And for awhile they SUCCEEDED!

And the thread title is clearly sarcastic...

What’s the Trump 2016 reaction got to do with this thread? That was 4 years ago, the BLM riots happened this summer and had nothing to do with Trump’s election in 2016

[Grayswandir]

Another day, another thread for the crypto's.

Very special people!

What do you mean by this? What’s a crypto?

[Grayswandir]

Sure there will always be idiots. Yesterday I watched some guy stack up a bunch of extremely expensive video equipment, put a tarp over it and try to light it on fire.

My point (and the point of this thread) is that there’s a noticeable difference in the behaviors of the two sides. There have been quite a few rally’s and protests by republicans sense the election but you don’t see much media coverage because there’s no lines of police in riot gear pushing a mob that’s throwing bricks at them. If anything I would say the lack of coverage itself points to the basic difference we are talking about.

There is not a massive difference in the amount of republicans vs Democrats but we see a very different reaction on a large scale. On the most basic level the lack of civil disorder speaks to that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if republicans have some crazy hillbilly with a rifle who decides to ‘protest’ with a bullet but when that happens I don’t think the same equivocations will be drawn.

I would also point out the political climate in 2016 was very different than it was this year. If Trump has won we would have seen some crazy stuff.

What do you mean by this? And I’m not accusing you or anything of the kind, I’m genuinely curious how you came to this conclusion. I’m assuming you’re talking about an assassination here, or something, but do you feel like the ‘Republican rioter’ is more of a lone wolf than someone who just blends into the mob?

[Grayswandir]

What’s the Trump 2016 reaction got to do with this thread? That was 4 years ago, the BLM riots happened this summer and had nothing to do with Trump’s election in 2016

Oh now having read Helz’s post I understand why you mentioned the Trump reaction although Helz isn’t trying to convince himself the reaction in 2016 was ‘better’ than the Biden reaction, I read that as him saying the Bidenite riots if Trump had won would’ve been a lot worse than the Trumpite riot we had this month.

[DJarJar]

Oh now having read Helz’s post I understand why you mentioned the Trump reaction although Helz isn’t trying to convince himself the reaction in 2016 was ‘better’ than the Biden reaction, I read that as him saying the Bidenite riots if Trump had won would’ve been a lot worse than the Trumpite riot we had this month.

Why would the Biden losing reaction be significantly worse than Hillary losing?

[Renegade]

What do you mean by this? What’s a crypto?

Cryptofascists. You should be familiar with the term.

[Helz]

What do you mean by this? And I’m not accusing you or anything of the kind, I’m genuinely curious how you came to this conclusion. I’m assuming you’re talking about an assassination here, or something, but do you feel like the ‘Republican rioter’ is more of a lone wolf than someone who just blends into the mob?

After Obama's 2nd election I was just starting to get involved in VA stuff and we had a raid by the secret service on some retired vets who were literally plotting to kill the president. After the fact there was a good bit of issues thrown around because things had been voiced to authority's that had been said in group therapy and such.

I know my people. I know how vets think and what they look at. I do not know anyone specific I think would be violent but I do believe there will be violence coming for politicians.

The terrible thing is that I do not think I will shed a tear if a member of congress takes a dirt nap from a bomb or a bullet. But I will have no part in it regardless of how blatantly they line their pockets on human suffering.

[Helz]

Why would the Biden losing reaction be significantly worse than Hillary losing?

Literal rioters with bombs and a 4 year international campaign generating hate as inequality

[DJarJar]

Literal rioters with bombs and a 4 year international campaign generating hate as inequality

So is the general defense of raiding the us capitol and LITERALLY trying to stop democracy that “BLM was bad too”? Hence democrats would have been same/worse! Because BLM = all of the Biden voters?