@All game 'Host's Please stop using bad set up

[SayGen]

I will never understand why HOST's continue to have their save start during day.
I JUST DO NOT GET IT.

Sorry your failor excuse is bad.

You want to make 14+ people wait 30+ secs so that MAYBE a jailor (assumption 1) is even in the game.

A jailor can Exe N1 so it's an Abuse---And by starting during the day your allowing him to Troll/Abuse.
(Not sure why the DEV team hasn't nerfed it, they nerfed Vig from shooting N1)

Just start ur game at night. It really is that simple.

Stop starting during day, it's bad. No reason to delay the start of the game by more then the long loads, host set up, name selection, etc already takes.

Spead up mafia.

Also please for the love of God keep ur Night time at a MINIMUM. it doens't take more then 30 secs to process the info gathered during the day. You had ALL day to see how things played out. Night should be fast and easy.
Discussion should be short. Longer it is the more trolls get to troll. When time is short the pertainent info is stated and people get less time to troll.

Thansk for reading. Please stop wasting time with bad set ups.

It's gotten so bad, I will only play games I host now.
Pretty sad.

[AppleyNO]

I havnt been in a game in a while where the Jailor executes on night 1.
Usually the Jailor starts getting information N1.

I would agree that allowing the Jailor N1 to execute is abuse.

[creedkingsx]

Allows pre-action scum hunting and allows Jailors to jail.
All night actions are still random, but, for some, it is less random.

[SayGen]

Allows pre-action scum hunting and allows Jailors to jail.
All night actions are still random, but, for some, it is less random.

Jailors Abuse N1 the majority of the itme. Yes Myself and a handful of others do use it to find active killers and isolate them until they can be confirmed nonTown.

Where as if you let the jailor do his thing after the game has played out he will likly have some time of logic (though he can still be jsut as wrong).
Fact of the matter is there would be less abuse if HOSTs would start N1 not D1.

Also you can't trust anything anyone says D1 casue you can't confirm anything.
After N1 when all roles have done their thing, you can start the logic cycle.

@Appley you need to play more.

[creedkingsx]

In the case of most players, I completely agree with you. But more experienced players like the forum community, it is a great opportunity to find scum tells.

[Ambient]

I will never understand why HOST's continue to have their save start during day.
I JUST DO NOT GET IT.

Sorry your failor excuse is bad.

Actually.. No. A jailor does not have to use its execution, and an additional role block can be quite useful. A jailor executing on night one is not abuse. Unless they demand a role card reading.

You want to make 14+ people wait 30+ secs so that MAYBE a jailor (assumption 1) is even in the game.

There is an obvious trend in who talks in regards to their alignment. I have found many scum by their actions in the first 30 seconds in the game.

A jailor can Exe N1 so it's an Abuse---And by starting during the day your allowing him to Troll/Abuse.
(Not sure why the DEV team hasn't nerfed it, they nerfed Vig from shooting N1)

Jailor is a role block, a communication tool, and a protection tool. Not a simple kill.

Just start ur game at night. It really is that simple.

No.

Stop starting during day, it's bad. No reason to delay the start of the game by more then the long loads, host set up, name selection, etc already takes.

Spead up mafia.

Speed*

Mafia is a game that is supposed to induce thought. Not just the results of power roles. I am sorry if you cannot do that.

Also please for the love of God keep ur Night time at a MINIMUM. it doens't take more then 30 secs to process the info gathered during the day. You had ALL day to see how things played out. Night should be fast and easy.
Discussion should be short. Longer it is the more trolls get to troll. When time is short the pertainent info is stated and people get less time to troll.

Thansk for reading. Please stop wasting time with bad set ups.

I am sorry you feel this way. Short nights and short discussions only help the evil aligned roles, and further imbalance the game. I am sorry that your short attention span does not allow for normal play. Rushed discussions only lead to bad calls, and your proposed trolling problem is actually increased. One bad lead will result in a wasted day, and possible mislynch.

It's gotten so bad, I will only play games I host now.
Pretty sad.

Don't rage if someone calls your set-up bad

[SayGen]

@Ambient you got me all wrong.
I know a jailor doens't have to use his execution, I'm saying that A) Devs should make it so you cna't use it N1 liek Vig cna't shoot N1. Didn't say make it so he can't JAIL N1. There is a subtle difference there I should of been more specific.
B) Until N1 Exe are removed (if they are removed) as Hosts i'm making a call to action to eliminate Trolls/Abusers at my non Dev level.

Yes you can notice trends....but do you have to use that N1? Why not use it the other 10+ days of play. I'm not saying you shouldn't use chat to make logical deductions.

I agree it is supposed to induce though. I can use logical deduction in 30 secs. It's not hard to check the role options at start of game and do process of elimation. I too don't want the game to be about of power roles, but rather a display of metal prowess.
When when i'm staring at a black screen already knowing what I know, there is soo much down time. This is just IMHO.

I love this game, and you and the other guys who devote time to making it so great should be appaulded for your efforts. I'm simply making a call to action.

Short discussion does tend to favor mafia. that's true. But you can balance that as a HOST.
In my save for example I'm a big nerd who likes to complie data and I find that my Town to Mafia to 3rd party win ratios are at accpetable leveles given I play with over 5 Random Town in my game.

Too say that anything is imba is just a result of bad Host set up.


PS: I've been told by many respectable plaeyrs that I have anywhere from a 'decent' to a 'great' save.
Only trolls trying to hi-jack host from me complain.
PSS: Thanks for all the work you do.

[SayGen]

"Jailor is a role block, a communication tool, and a protection tool. Not a simple kill."
I agree. Does it have to be used N1? Am I saying it shouldn't be used? Am I saying that Jailor should be removed?
No, I never said any of those things. I'm *again* simply encouraging people via call to action. That they should start N1 not D1 as it makes the game better imho.

[Glip]

Well SayGen, there's this thing called an opinion, and it varies from person to person.

Some people believe that citizen is a useless role, and shouldn't be in a game.
Others believe that the Citizen is a vital role for scumhunting and giving scum (and PR's) a role to hide behind.

Some people believe that Mason is even worse than cit, and should never be in a game.
Others believe that the Mason is one of the most powerful roles in the game, if used correctly.

Some people believe that Cult is a stupid role, and should never be in a game.
Others delight in the mechanics of conversion of town to scum that make a game more exciting.

Some people believe that Clue is a horrible game mode, and should never be played. (God forbid they be required to think)
Others believe that Clue is where the most fun can be had, where you must use critical thinking and scumhunting to determine the roles of even the dead.

Some people believe that the game should start at day, to allow pre-night action discussion/scumhunting and a jailor to jail, among other things.
Others believe that day starts just promote pointless trolling and waste precious time.

Really, these options are options for a reason. There are arguments that can be made for either side of any dispute. There is no true "best setup" or "worst setup." It's all up to opinion. Don't rage just because not everyone else in the world thinks the same way you do, but if you must, feel free to host your own game as much as you want, and never experience the thrill of trying a new setup and different mechanics that change the way the game is played. To each his own. Just don't try to force everyone else to think the same way as you. No one will appreciate it.

[SayGen]

"Really, these options are options for a reason. There are arguments that can be made for either side of any dispute. There is no true "best setup" or "worst setup." It's all up to opinion. Don't rage just because not everyone else in the world thinks the same way you do, but if you must, feel free to host your own game as much as you want, and never experience the thrill of trying a new setup and different mechanics that change the way the game is played. To each his own. Just don't try to force everyone else to think the same way as you. No one will appreciate it."

No one is raging. Way to assume the worst in people.
I never said Best set up was my set up. Way to assume wrong again.
I am intrested in trying new set ups- so long as they minimize abuse/troll players.
I perfer in house games as much as possible and fill my friends lsit with active mafia players.

Thanks for your bias toward me. I love you too!

[Glip]

No one is raging. Way to assume the worst in people.
I never said Best set up was my set up. Way to assume wrong again.
I am intrested in trying new set ups- so long as they minimize abuse/troll players.
I perfer in house games as much as possible and fill my friends lsit with active mafia players.

Thanks for your bias toward me. I love you too!

I never said anyone was raging. I just said not to. Way to assume wrong.
I never said that you said your setup was the best (You did, however, flatout say that yours is better because those that start at day are "bad"). I merely said that there is no setup that can be called the best or the worst. Way to assume wrong again.

[Escaho]

There is another reason saves should start during the day:

You have the opportunity to save yourself from dying if you are Town.

That's right. Role-claims on Day 1, random sayings, trolling, lying, calling people out, etc. can save you from death at night. If the mafia deliberate and think you are trolling because you are Jester, they might keep you alive. If you claim Survivor (even falsely), they might not attack you. If you say you are the Godfather, they might not attack you because you are a target for other players to check at night to see if you're telling the truth or lying. You can claim Sheriff and ask Doctors to heal you. You can pretend you are a noob Doctor and ask who to heal (if you are Citizen) to soak up a kill.

If you die night one as Town, you didn't do enough on Day One to prevent the kill.

[Cryptonic]

start night, what is this, 2010?

[Brendan]

Actually.. No. A jailor does not have to use its execution, and an additional role block can be quite useful. A jailor executing on night one is not abuse. Unless they demand a role card reading.




There is an obvious trend in who talks in regards to their alignment. I have found many scum by their actions in the first 30 seconds in the game.



Jailor is a role block, a communication tool, and a protection tool. Not a simple kill.



No.



Speed*

Mafia is a game that is supposed to induce thought. Not just the results of power roles. I am sorry if you cannot do that.



I am sorry you feel this way. Short nights and short discussions only help the evil aligned roles, and further imbalance the game. I am sorry that your short attention span does not allow for normal play. Rushed discussions only lead to bad calls, and your proposed trolling problem is actually increased. One bad lead will result in a wasted day, and possible mislynch.



Don't rage if someone calls your set-up bad

/endthread

[Xen]

I've always liked night start for the most part. It sucks when you get Jailor and you're not a failor, but it does speed the game up. Also, there is a small window of time to type aloud. Some trolls use that. If a Jailor was able to jail during that small windows, that'd be acceptable to everyone perhaps.

[tropico]

saygen u sound mad....bro

[NettleS]

speeds up game by like 30 seconds , big deal
OP is a troll plain and simple

[Beerwolf]

Jailor acts like an investigator, by word... and cross references people who are lying... hence why he starts acting on the first night - not to execute, but to gather information.

Him being able to execute on first night is irrelevant - bad players would still do that shit on second night onwards.


How about just not letting him execute on first night, but can jail still?

[RookRanger]

Im gunna say my thing:
Games start in day offer some greetings and see where ppl are.
Jailors on a 9/10 basis will always ask aliment no matter if its cheating (They rage and kill you if you say they are)
The other 1/10 expects that u put the aliment without asking you and will kill you if you dont give it
Jailors n1 exe are more based on luck than skill ive seen some sk and gf die n1 bec of jailor
n1 for jailor can help in getting a good start on info being so powerful and helps in a roleblock
The only main problem i have found is that when trolls get the jailor role with 3 exe its a kick in the nuts
In ways of the players of sc2 i will say that 98% of them dont know the rule of the no asking the aliment so its very hard i think to improve the jailor u need to make clear what is his rules and the consequences of this breach.
In game i would like to see some vary in saves it does bore me of the fact that its always the same.