S-FM XV: Army Men

[Ash]

I think both niggers are dumb. Brendan isn't a very good citizen if he is a citizen. Unless he is a WIFOMing citizen...

Then again, if Brendan is a bad citizen, MANgerine is in the spotlight for either scum or jester.

[MANgerine]

Lol you shot me knowing I was the other vigilante though, confirmed in the role play. If you had complied with some of my requests, maybe I would have believed you. You're too stupid to be my rival.

MANgerine DOESNT use RP for extra CLUES
in PHYR S-FM
PHYR said RP was EXPERIMENT
to see how affects PLAYER ACTIONS
RP does not clear BRENDAN at all
BRENDAN too into RP CLUES
BS

[creedkingsx]

BRBKK!?GUNCHECKSUMFIN

[creedkingsx]

I think we might have an odd situation where MANgerine is executioner and Brendan is scum. Just conveniently works in town favor.
-vote Brendan

[Ash]

I think we might have an odd situation where MANgerine is executioner and Brendan is scum. Just conveniently works in town favor.
-vote Brendan

I just noticed we are missing a kill. any1 got healed?

[Ash]

I just noticed we are missing a kill. any1 got healed?

oh nvm. apparently red army can be sk/arson/witch.

[creedkingsx]

oh nvm. apparently red army can be sk/arson/witch.

You are still right though.
It was a weapon only Green Soldiers use. Tan Army didn't get a kill last night.

[Blazer]

People left to post: Bahkieh-Shaded

Tally Report
Brendan {3}: Joey, MANgerine, Creedkingsx
MANgerine {2}: Brendan, Duzero

Majority to lynch. (7)

[Brendan]

Lol how can I be scum creed, if you believe him to be executioner then all of his evidence is invalid. You're either an idiot or scum of some sort. Mfw I die every time I play early no matter what my role is because town or scum suck. Whatever, I did what I could as citizen, I'll just lurk unless asked a question directly. Witch used vig, tan doesn't have a killing role.

[Brendan]

I believe creed is scum, mangerine is for sure exe/scum, and I have a few other suspects.

[Ash]

Lol how can I be scum creed, if you believe him to be executioner then all of his evidence is invalid. You're either an idiot or scum of some sort. Mfw I die every time I play early no matter what my role is because town or scum suck. Whatever, I did what I could as citizen, I'll just lurk unless asked a question directly. Witch used vig, tan doesn't have a killing role.

O YEAH? YAH????????????????????????????

QUESTION TIME

Does tan niggers need a killing nigger role to do a killing? Can't they just send someone to kill?

[Brendan]

Ajkei is clean imo atm. This is my last post for now.

[Brendan]

O YEAH? YAH????????????????????????????

QUESTION TIME

Does tan niggers need a killing nigger role to do a killing? Can't they just send someone to kill?

They don't kill without a killing role. duh

[CHICKen]

-vote creedkingsx

[Brendan]

Chicken we can vote him after we get mangerine out of the way. I'm not certain he's executioner...

[Blazer]

O YEAH? YAH????????????????????????????

QUESTION TIME

Does tan niggers need a killing nigger role to do a killing? Can't they just send someone to kill?

No. The Tan Army can send ANY role to kill (except the interrogator).

Any mafia member can be elected to kill at night (excluding interrogator) but will sacrifice their unique role action to do the killing that night. If an agreement can not be made, there will be no kill.

[Ash]

They don't kill without a killing role. duh

IN YO FAICE

No. The Tan Army can send ANY role to kill (except the interrogator).

[MANgerine]

They don't kill without a killing role. duh

BRENDAN is TAN ARMY

PROBABLY:
TAN ARMY argued too much because BRENDAN rude
TAN ARMY could not agree on kill
and did not kill last night
also BRENDAN in TAN ARMY and not know any role can KILL
gg no re

-vote Brendan

[Brendan]

Lol now they know they can kill someone ffs hammer mangerine already his posts are so annoying

[Bluejay]

Brendan, you have yet to definitively prove you're citizen, so I'm keeping some suspicion upon you. Having said that, I believe whatever MANgerine is doing seems much more scummy. If he's the executioner, at least lynching him gets rid of whatever confusing elements he might throw in. If he's not, then we've most likely lynched a nontown. I hope he doesn't end up being the jester, though. That's still a distinct possibility.

-vote MANgerine

What result does an investigator get when he checks a citizen? Citizen isn't listed under Investigator Results.

[Bluejay]

Joey and CHICKen, at least tell us why you're voting someone when you do. Both of you haven't contributed anything; not even your thoughts on suspicious people. I'm keeping an eye on you...

[Bluejay]

And yes, I know nobody starts the game as jester, but there's a very small chance SirBlayzalot was the exec target. Hence my slight caution towards voting MANgerine.

[Brendan]

I very small chance indeed. I really am a citizen, trying to town lead the best I can. After today I would nominate creed for lynching if no real leads are found.. Investigative roles just target someone random as otherwise the results are likely to be inaccurate due to the large chance of a framer being present...

[creedkingsx]

Awe, Brendan. You always claim citizen, yet you are always the most anti-town person ever. Why so suicidy?

[Blazer]

What result does an investigator get when he checks a citizen? Citizen isn't listed under Investigator Results.

I was wondering if anyone would catch that ^^ the result us the investigator gets the exact role of the citizen.

[creedkingsx]

I am still on the idea that MANgerine is just an executioner, or doing some deep town pr wifom, but I am majorly on the fence about Brendan. He has acted scummy all game, keeps impressing false information, i.e. sheriff and maf kill mechanics; and makes specific assumptions, but not all plausible assumptions.

[Brendan]

lol how am I acting anti-town? I discovered scum by defending myself and am trying to lead the town.
I claimed cit so the mason leader would recruit me, which he didn't/didn't get the chance to.
I don't see how else I may have acted scummy.

[Brendan]

Going to bed now hopefully before day is over you'll at least lynch TANgerine.

[creedkingsx]

I want to know Shaded's thoughts, and would like to hear more from Ash, Bluejay, and Jack

[Bluejay]

I'm going to bed soon. The only other thought I have right now is that there is no evidence to support that Creed is scum except that he and Brendan are suspicious of each other. CHICKen straight up voting creed off of basically nothing caught my attention...

[Bluejay]

Another thought:

Actually, wasn't it Brendan who disproved MANgerine's false sheriff claim in the first place? Also, MANgerine's explanation for the lack of a tan army kill seems ridiculous. That aside, if Brendan was in the tan army, he was probably teamed up with people who knew that any non-interrogator role could be sent to kill. His misreading the setup information but using it to catch someone in a lie baffles me.

Brendan, this is why you're not cleared in my eyes.

[ajkei]

If Brendan is not scum that killed the mason leader, then where did the mason leader's night action go?
There are 2 possibilities for SirBlayzalot's death (given that he was killed by someone other than the mafia):
A) He was killed by a vigilante who was witched to shoot him, or
B) He was killed by Brendan, the mafia he tried to recruit (If brendan is not citizen, he must be mafia because a neutral would not sacrifice himself to kill one town PR)

To consider the likelihoods of each possibility:
A) First, there has to be a witch in the game (1/3 chance). Second, there has to be a vigilante in the game (1/5 chance) Third, the witch has to target the vigilante night one (1/12 chance). The chance of a witch manipulating a vigilante night 1 is therefore a 1/180 chance of occurring (ignoring all meta reasoning).
Very good odds.
Furthermore, even if the mason leader were killed by a witched vigilante, the mason leader would still have a night action taken that night. Brendan claims to not have been recruited. I believe that as brendan was the ONLY citizen claimer day 1, he was the most likely target. As it is, I will put it to a 50% chance that the Mason Leader believed Brendan was really a citizen and recruited him (more shaky probability here, but I think it still proves a point)
Therefore, the probability of (A) - that Blayzalot was killed by a vigilante shot, and brendan is a citizen that did not get recruited is roughly 1/360 (ignoring the probability of Blayz leaving a last will night one)

Whereas with possibility B, Blayzalot was killed by brendan when he tried to recruit him, would be
A 4/12 -->1/3 chance that brendan is scum. However, I think we can assume that the red army as well as green power roles (and less likely, the blue army roles) would not claim citizen day one with a confirmed mason leader in the setup ---> 3/6 --> 1/2 chance that brendan is scum.
combined with the above guess at 50% chance for Blayzalot to recruit the only citizen claimer, brendan, the probability of B is 1/4

I think I will take the odds - Brendan is almost confirmed to be scum by sheer probability alone.

[ajkei]

Oh, I almost forgot.
-Vote Brendan

[TheJackofSpades]

Well, I'm more than a tad bit perplexed by this one, to be honest.

I guess the real question that needs to be asked here is:
Does mismasoning show up as being shot by a green army weapon?

I can't really get a read on any of these borderline trolls to be honest, they remind me somewhat of CmG to be honest, but I don't sense any frustration from the two of them. That's really the key to a town player who bases himself in scuminess.

However, if I had to guess, I'd say MANgerine is telling the truth, as I do not doubt for a moment that he was acting on personal vendetta when he followed SirBlayzalot.

There's this one other explanation as well, though, which makes me hesitant to vote for either of them. Kind of obvious, but I don't want to be the one to ruin it.

[TheJackofSpades]

Question though:

Why does one or the other have to be guilty?

[ajkei]

Question though:

Why does one or the other have to be guilty?

Meaning one of Brendan and MANgerine?

I said already that I think it possible that MAN is mafia bussing his teammate.

[Duzero]

I don't think Brendan would ever agree to getting bussed, and if MANgerine did it anyway then Brendan would have given up already calling his teammate a gamethrower or something

I know that Brendan acts scummy but he looks more like town to me than MANgerine because of MANgerines claiming frenzy.

[Blazer]

Does mismasoning show up as being shot by a green army weapon?

No.

[Bahkieh]

Hey everyone. Sorry I am late to the party.

[Brendan]

I checked mechanics to see if framer was possible and then I saw sheriff wasn't. Didn't check if they could send a non-killing role to kill at night, I figured they couldn't because there would have been another death. This means they have valuable roles that they wanted to use prob. Don't think it says anywhere in setup that they can send regardless of not having a killing role? Jailor is a possibility as well? Mangerine changed his claim twice and nothing that he said made sense or wasn't said before... Listen to Duzero and Bluejay they're good players and seem town. Going to be in summer school, last day until Monday so I'll be more active then. Pls help me I'm surrounded by black people and my white friends aren't here yet.

[Brendan]

Sup bahk we need more town votes, scum is majority atm, read thread.

[Blazer]

Brendan is at 4 votes
MANgerine is at 3. (on phone)

Shaded is the last one required to post.

[Brendan]

Bahk and shaded are smart players too.

[Bahkieh]

I just got done reading it all. And I'm stuck. Man seems like scum because of the roles claims. And Brendan is being Brendan.

[Bahkieh]

Bahk and shaded are smart players too.

LIES ABOUT ME!!!!!!

[Brendan]

Nah, last sfm you did good buddy.
Took a bullet for us as cit with our secret lingo, was pretty legit.
I don't lie about my claims; look at my past town plays.
I didn't claim the one time I played scum until forced to, and all the times I played town I claimed very quickly.

[Duzero]

I don't lie about my claims; look at my past town plays.
I didn't claim the one time I played scum until forced to, and all the times I played town I claimed very quickly.

But sometimes you are bound to break the pattern, right?

I only trust you because MANgerine has changed his claim one too many times.

[Brendan]

Well they day ends relatively soon so if you guys still can't reach a majority I'm fine with being lynched.
I still do believe there is a witch as there would have been another death if not, unless arsonist?
Same with mafia, they must have valuable roles, and we can count out mafioso, otherwise he would've killed someone.
If witch has found the vigilante though I'll probably get shot tonight.

[Brendan]

Or someone pro town or scummy witch is neutral. lol
Either way someone is going to die.
If witch has found the jailor same thing if we don't lynch tonight?
He's forced to kill the target?
What are the jailor limitations?

[Brendan]

But sometimes you are bound to break the pattern, right?

I only trust you because MANgerine has changed his claim one too many times.

Well my scum strategy will for sure be different next time I get scum. Team fucked me over last time so I'll just play it my way.
I don't really have a scum strat atm though because I haven't had the need to use one, the only time I've gotten scum my team was horrible and I got fucked over because of it, didn't have anything prepared for what happened.
Why would the mason leader visit me night one? Anyone could claim cit to kill the mason leader.
Blayz is smart, he wouldn't visit anyone n1. He was killed by another town role.