Jester Cheating?

[AppleyNO]

My strategy for the Jester is to call the first investigative role that is called BS and to lynch them, the town lynches and sees Investigator, and lynches me.

I was wondering if that is cheating at all? Like Griefing maybe? idk....

Thoughts?

[JackWolfsong]

Yes, you are a complete noob. Watch for other guys' posts before you write your second one.

[AppleyNO]

Understood

[FrostByte]

Yes, you are a complete noob. Watch for other guys' posts before you write your second one.

What?
WTF does this even mean?


No, appley, that isn't griefing at all. That's a legit strategy in SC2maf.

[AppleyNO]

Awesome! That is very good to know.....

[Crimson]

Awesome! That is very good to know.....

Glad your question has answered.

If you need any other information on what is rule breaking, click this link.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/announcement.php?f=6

Don't be shy to ask questions, as it is best to reassure certain situations if you are not certain yourself.

[Ash]

Don't listen to Frostbyte he is a confirmed troll. He declared war on me in Minecraft. BRING IT ON.

also ya this is griefing. only if you are town.

[JackWolfsong]

Appley - to not appear rude or something to ya. Catch this:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ighlight=mafia
HTH

[Lysergic]

Lawl. It's pretty much impossible to cheat / grief as Jester, unless you're using Skype or hacking.

[EagleMan]

Yeah, that'd definitely be bad territory to be in if you weren't Jester or Evil, but otherwise you were trying to get lynched, and that's the goal of the Jester, so you are well within your bounds.

[AppleyNO]

Again, thanks for the help and the link to a cool thread.

[creedkingsx]

If you want to know if something is cheating, ask yourself 2 questions:
Am I getting information that is unfair to the rest of the players?
and
Am I going against the Goal of my Role card?

[LeaD]

as long as you are a benign role you can't grief
you are a troll either way

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Wrong. You can grief as jester. I've been kicked by a moderator for griefing as jester.

[Blazer]

Jester = grief immune and gamethrowing immune. its all a game to a jester. ofc you can lie and get town to lynch town and cause them to lose ^^ your objective is to get lynched. Take any means necessary (that excludes hacking and skyping)

[EagleMan]

Apparently lying in lag chat is a no-no in all circumstances, even if you're trolling, so that's really the only exception for the limits of how you can troll as Jester.

[Ash]

Jester = grief immune and gamethrowing immune. its all a game to a jester. ofc you can lie and get town to lynch town and cause them to lose ^^ your objective is to get lynched. Take any means necessary (that excludes hacking and skyping)

i've heard I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY mods say that if you suicide, that's considered gamethrowing. bullshit i say.

[creedkingsx]

i've heard I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY mods say that if you suicide, that's considered gamethrowing. bullshit i say.

It goes against your goals.

[Duzero]

Wrong. You can grief as jester. I've been kicked by a moderator for griefing as jester.

Interesting, tell me how you managed to do that.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Interesting, tell me how you managed to do that.

sry ur a plebe. i dont associate with plebes

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

except to tell them that they are plebes

[Duzero]

sry ur a plebe. i dont associate with plebes

but you're a plebite

[EagleMan]

It goes against your goals.

Well with the existence of the -suicide command, DR seems to implicitly disagree with that assessment. The only positive use of -suicide is when you've been repeatedly blackmailed and want to get your information out to the town (and allowing all roles to do that solely for that single purpose, instead of simply modifying the Blackmailer, stretches believability), otherwise you're always hurting the chances of your faction to win, or assuring it as a solo role.

Unless DR has commented otherwise, it'd appear to be that he seems okay with people suiciding, so the mods should not act contradictory to what he wants.

[Crimson]

Apparently lying in lag chat is a no-no in all circumstances, even if you're trolling, so that's really the only exception for the limits of how you can troll as Jester.

Lag chat is not part of the game.

[EagleMan]

Except it is. You can't just pretend it's not there. People who are dead and snitch on things should be punished, but I see no problem with people lying in lag chat, as such claims should not be automatically accepted, and if they are, then the Town will learn a lesson to not trust lag chat at all in the future, even if a lag chat claim may be true, thus mitigating lag chat as a problem. You're going to want games that don't have mods to go over well, not just games with mods. I believe this method leads to better quality games even if a mod isn't present to police the players. Lag chat is also very difficult for players to make reports of, because people spam lag chat and it doesn't record itself to a log.

It's the difference between intimidating a child into acting correctly versus making them act properly even when not being watched.

[creedkingsx]

Lag chat is not part of the game.

What he said is true. It is allowing a person to speak information without revealing who they are in-game. A Sheriff can be like this person is mafia, I am Sheriff, mafia has no way to kill the person. It is a no risk method of communication.

[EagleMan]

And you actually believe that person is Sheriff?

[Joedoe1025]

i've heard I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY mods say that if you suicide, that's considered gamethrowing. bullshit i say.

I would be pretty surpirsed at a ruling like this. but there are completely reasonable reasons to suicide. Case in point, one public game i was GF and the escort discovered me. instead of lynching me the town kept me alive and just continuously RB me as they hunted down my team members without fear of being shot. at which point i -suicide to promote a consig. we later won that game, with the same consig that got promoted to GF.

So if the case is right, suicide is allright. however if you do it randomly to troll (ie only two mafia and one suicides for no reason) then i consider it game throwin

[AppleyNO]

The -suicide is all situational IMO...

I have been outed as SK or Maf because because of Lag Chat... (The Drug Dealer is SK!!!!)

[EagleMan]

But if you were throwing out your own claims, then that would confuse the town, or force the person into a public role claim.

[Duzero]

Jesters should get a secondary goal to cause as many mislynches and ragequits as possible.

[Blazer]

Jesters should get a secondary goal to cause as many mislynches and ragequits as possible.

+1 lololol.
Hmm suiciding as jester. That's blasphemy. who would ever do that

[creedkingsx]

+1 lololol.
Hmm suiciding as jester. That's blasphemy. who would ever do that

LIES AND SLANDER WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED IN THIS INSTITUTION!1!1!1!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!ONE!1!!!!1!!1!!!E LEVEN!111!1!!!!!1

[Blazer]

LIES AND SLANDER WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED IN THIS INSTITUTION!1!1!1!!!!11!!!1!!!!!!ONE!1!!!!1!!1!!!E LEVEN!111!1!!!!!1

Huh O.O

[creedkingsx]

Huh O.O

i dont know ^^

[Blazer]

i dont know ^^

Crazy

[Duzero]

*act towny enough to not get lynched but retarded enough to not get killed by mafia*
*end up in 1v1v1v1 with town vs jester vs arso vs mafia*
*complete silence during day*
*vote random person and accuse him*
*all 3 suddenly votes you*
*die a happy jester*

[AppleyNO]

But if you were throwing out your own claims, then that would confuse the town, or force the person into a public role claim.

Sadly, its been my experience that pubs will only lynch the first name they hear....

[Ash]

I would be pretty surpirsed at a ruling like this. but there are completely reasonable reasons to suicide. Case in point, one public game i was GF and the escort discovered me. instead of lynching me the town kept me alive and just continuously RB me as they hunted down my team members without fear of being shot. at which point i -suicide to promote a consig. we later won that game, with the same consig that got promoted to GF.

So if the case is right, suicide is allright. however if you do it randomly to troll (ie only two mafia and one suicides for no reason) then i consider it game throwin

yes that is a legit strategy. but in a jester's case he/she should get more freedom because he/she is just one.

[AppleyNO]

yes that is a legit strategy. but in a jester's case he/she should get more freedom because he/she is just one.

But Ash! The Jester will not be able to kill a guilty voter. And usually everyone make there moves during the night after a jester lynch.
i.e. Arson burns, GF/SK attacks big power roles