BurntEskimo

[Liquidator]

BurntEskimo is on the kick list. Yet 2 of the mods consistently tell us to not kick him. If you don't want him kicked them remove him from the damn kick list.

[TimeTrx]

I was in that game, the mods were making sure he didn't cheat and he didn't. So whats your prob?

[Liquidator]

First off it was more than one game. And second, my problem is that to add someone to a kick list and tell us he's a confirmed cheater, and then tell us to not kick him is idiotic. He should either be kicked for being a cheater or he should be removed from that list. It makes no sense to keep him on a kick list but then tell us to not kick him.

[TimeTrx]

There were not one but two mods. Watching him, plus no trouble from him. Trust I don't like him and he does not like me.

[Ash]

Let me clarify what a moderator's powers can do:
-They can see who's anonymous name in the game is their real username in Battle.net.
-They can kick in-game if it's really a use.
-They can strike with lightning in-game.
-They can see who is what role. (So they should know if it's gamethrowing or not)

So there's no point in kicking Burnteskimo unless you are a douche.

[Liquidator]

There were not one but two mods. Watching him, plus no trouble from him. Trust I don't like him and he does not like me.

And yet none of this has any relevance to the fact that I'm saying he should then be removed from the kick list if they don't want him to be kicked.

[Liquidator]

And there is equally no point in keeping Eskimo on a kick list if they are going to tell us not to kick him.

Let me clarify what a moderator's powers can do:
-They can see who's anonymous name in the game is their real username in Battle.net.
-They can kick in-game if it's really a use.
-They can strike with lightning in-game.
-They can see who is what role. (So they should know if it's gamethrowing or not)

So there's no point in kicking Burnteskimo unless you are a douche.

[creedkingsx]

I assume I am one of the mods, since I play with him frequently.
Allow me to clarify our reasoning a little bit.
He has been on the Kick-vote list for quite some time. And he has served his full punishment, just the creator of the game hasn't been able to update the map as far as kick-vote lists and ban-lists go. As of current, BurntEskimo should no longer b on the list as far as I know. He claims to be turning over a new leaf and that is why we have taken it upon ourselves to give him a chance in game with our presence.
He has been on the list for 2 months, I think, now.

[TimeTrx]

And yet none of this has any relevance to the fact that I'm saying he should then be removed from the kick list if they don't want him to be kicked.

They were two moderators how is not relevant? Dude it was just for last night with the mods.

[creedkingsx]

Reason why he hasn't been able to update the game:*
He has exams going on at this time, plus many other things he frequently works on. such as a game he is creating, not an SC2 mod, but an actual game.
Patch 1.5 updates, he is working on scripting new roles and things like that.
Plus, he just has general life to deal with at the moment.
I know how stupid we look for putting someone on the list and then going in game and telling everyone not to kick, but we don't have the most time to explain all this before 10 people type -kick.
You are still free to kick, we can't exactly enact any kind of punishment for kicking someone who is on the Kick-vote list, that would be a huge abuse of power, we just reveal the moderator status as a kind of, take our word that he won't game throw.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

I am the pimp and they are my bitches. Nuff said. close thread

[creedkingsx]

I am the pimp and they are my bitches. Nuff said. close thread

why is the third roman numeral an l, versus a capital I of the other two?

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

why is the third roman numeral an l, versus a capital I of the other two?

Modfags banned my burnteskimo iii account

[creedkingsx]

Modfags banned my burnteskimo iii account

oh ok, so we banned your accounts?
who is the bitch? ;)

[Liquidator]

So is the creator going to update it soon? I have no problem with him playing in games...but to tell people to not use the kick function is just futile.

I assume I am one of the mods, since I play with him frequently.
Allow me to clarify our reasoning a little bit.
He has been on the Kick-vote list for quite some time. And he has served his full punishment, just the creator of the game hasn't been able to update the map as far as kick-vote lists and ban-lists go. As of current, BurntEskimo should no longer b on the list as far as I know. He claims to be turning over a new leaf and that is why we have taken it upon ourselves to give him a chance in game with our presence.
He has been on the list for 2 months, I think, now.

[Liquidator]

It's not relevant because that doesn't resolve the issue that they were telling us to not kick someone on the kicklist. This topic is more about updating the kick list than it is about whether we should worry about him breaking rules or not.

They were two moderators how is not relevant? Dude it was just for last night with the mods.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

I agree. DarkRev needs to get his shit together and he better give me other benefits like patron status for having to stay on KV list for so long.

[Menautor]

BurntEskimo is on the kick list. Yet 2 of the mods consistently tell us to not kick him. If you don't want him kicked them remove him from the damn kick list.

I understand and agree with your point Liquidator. I always kick ppl on the kick list. In the case of BurntEskimo, he comes on the TS and after telling us that he should not be on the kick list anymore, and after double checking, he did serve his time and would normally be taken off. In order to make things right, I have no problems playing with him, plus he is also on the TS making it that much harder for him to cheat and in our party.

So no, I have no issue saying that he's been upstanding for the games we played and he didn't cheat or game throw. If he does, I'll kick him myself. I have nothing bad to say about him and I find him to be a great person to play with.

you are welcomed to log on to the TS and check it out for yourself... Hopefully DR will have the chance to revise the list this week.

cheers,

[jordanrracer]

I understand and agree with your point Liquidator. I always kick ppl on the kick list. In the case of BurntEskimo, he comes on the TS and after telling us that he should not be on the kick list anymore, and after double checking, he did serve his time and would normally be taken off. In order to make things right, I have no problems playing with him, plus he is also on the TS making it that much harder for him to cheat and in our party.

So no, I have no issue saying that he's been upstanding for the games we played and he didn't cheat or game throw. If he does, I'll kick him myself. I have nothing bad to say about him and I find him to be a great person to play with.

you are welcomed to log on to the TS and check it out for yourself... Hopefully DR will have the chance to revise the list this week.

cheers,

Honestly he should stay on. He acts like an angel when his mod friends are online, and he's still active in gamethrowing and trolling game lobbies so they don't start.

[Menautor]

Honestly he should stay on. He acts like an angel when his mod friends are online, and he's still active in gamethrowing and trolling game lobbies so they don't start.

well report him and he might get back on the list, but for now, he shouldn't be on it. Also, the mods friends as you say are on the TS for anyone, so up to you to come on in...

[Jowa]

I assume I am one of the mods, since I play with him frequently.
Allow me to clarify our reasoning a little bit.
He has been on the Kick-vote list for quite some time. And he has served his full punishment, just the creator of the game hasn't been able to update the map as far as kick-vote lists and ban-lists go. As of current, BurntEskimo should no longer b on the list as far as I know. He claims to be turning over a new leaf and that is why we have taken it upon ourselves to give him a chance in game with our presence.
He has been on the list for 2 months, I think, now.

Well thats a lie. He wasn't on it last week.... This is the second time he has been on the kick list. Am I wrong?



Aslo: BurntEskimo and Mommasosha trolling Mafia game lobbies? - Link

This was not posted 2 months ago. This was posted a week ago. It's funny how you think he could "turn over a new leaf" as you put it.

[creedkingsx]

Well thats a lie. He wasn't on it last week.... This is the second time he has been on the kick list. Am I wrong?



Aslo: BurntEskimo and Mommasosha trolling Mafia game lobbies? - Link

This was not posted 2 months ago. This was posted a week ago. It's funny how you think he could "turn over a new leaf" as you put it.

The game hasn't been updated for a couple weeks and he has been on the Kick vote list for the consistent time period of.. hang on let me go get the exact date.

[creedkingsx]

April 8th, 2012 is the day that the report that got him back on the Kick-vote list was approved.
He trolls really hard, and I am, by no means, defending him. Just clarifying and allowing him a second chance.
I guess, technically, a third chance. lol

[jordanrracer]

April 8th, 2012 is the day that the report that got him back on the Kick-vote list was approved.
He trolls really hard, and I am, by no means, defending him. Just clarifying and allowing him a second chance.
I guess, technically, a third chance. lol

you only get a second chance. giving a third chance is favoritism and you should give every other punished player a 2nd and 3rd chance.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

you only get a second chance. giving a third chance is favoritism and you should give every other punished player a 2nd and 3rd chance.

Read rules. This is my second time on Kick Vote list -

2nd offense = double time. You start at getting 2 weeks KV list. I got 4. I will be on the watch list for 8 weeks afterwards.

You can read the rules Here

[Raptorblaze]

REFRESHER FOR PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND
Watch-List means the person is under suspicion, and mods are on the lookout for their activities.
Kickvote-List is for people convicted of several offenses, the purpose is to give players the option not to play with a known cheater/thrower if they don't wish to or risk how he'll act if they don't kick him, if it was intended for players to always kick a person, they wouldn't be on this list, or the list wouldn't exist.
Ban-List is for people who refuse to obey the rules and repeatedly offend. You have no more chances at this point and are outright not allowed to play for a period of time.

If moderators are partied with a known thrower/cheater on the KV list and are willing to watch him there's no reason not to allow the game to proceed. If he's acting badly when the mod staff is not around, feel free to report, otherwise there's no issue.

btw the mods telling you not to kick him were me, creed, and sometimes menautor. We won't (can't really) punish people for kicking him ANYWAY, but it's a suggestion because we're willing to police him that game.

[Liquidator]

What is the "TS"?

[creedkingsx]

What is the "TS"?

The Mafia TeamSpeak server

[Elixir]

If there are mods in the game they're obviously watching him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to kick him. The mods have the power to remove whoever they want, when they need to.

That's the entire point of a mod supervision.

[Nick]

How come the rest got their original accounts back but not Burnt?

Pity that the first and second died in fire inside an igloo.

[creedkingsx]

How come the rest got their original accounts back but not Burnt?

Pity that the first and second died in fire inside an igloo.

I think his original account is unbanned, actually.

[Liquidator]

As I've said to the other people to make that point, that is not relevant to this topic at all.

If there are mods in the game they're obviously watching him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to kick him. The mods have the power to remove whoever they want, when they need to.

That's the entire point of a mod supervision.

[Nick]

As I've said to the other people to make that point, that is not relevant to this topic at all.

If there are kickvotelist in the game they're obviously to kick him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to moderate him. The kickvote have the power to remove names on kickvotelist, during setup.

That's the entire point of kickvotelist.

[Menautor]

I find this thread very interesting. I was actually the one that started to bring Burnteskimo to the game and asking ppl not to kick him. Asking ppl, the choice is entirely up to the player to kick or not. Some ppl actually rage quite when he doesn't get kicked. There is no right or wrong way to go about this and every view point is valid. At the risk of repeating myself, we did vouch for BurntEskimo after his sentence was served. We would never take responsibility for someone while he is serving his time.

Finally, we didn't mean to upset the community, we were just trying to rectify the situation until DR is able to resume his functions. We will always be available to discuss this matter and others on the Mafia Team Speak 3

ttfn

[Nick]

He has been on the Kick-vote list for quite some time. And he has served his full punishment, just the creator of the game hasn't been able to update the map as far as kick-vote lists and ban-lists go.

A cookie for you!

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

If there are kickvotelist in the game they're obviously to kick him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to moderate him. The kickvote have the power to remove names on kickvotelist, during setup.

That's the entire point of kickvotelist.

This logic is flawed. The Kick-vote lists give you the option to kick me. Most of the time people have never seen me grief/gamethrow but they vote to kick because of your flawed logic here.

Here's a scenario for you -

You are a KKK member. The leader of your Klan found out that Burnteskimo is half I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY. So they talk about it and decide that if they want to they will tar and feather him at any Klan meeting instead of letting him participate. At the start of every meeting you get to vote to tar and feather the half-I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY or let him participate. Every meeting he gets tarred and feathered because The KKK have the mentality that "If you are I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY then obviously you need to be tarred and feathered".

Ok. Now change KKK to Mafia. Burnteskimo is me, I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLYs to people on kickvote list, Tarred and feathering to kicking and The Klan meetings to Mafia games.

you are a racist

[Nick]

Agreed that kickvote list is flawed.

Disagreed with your example because being "half I WANT TO HUG A PONY NON-SEXUALLY" is no crime.

For the less observant...

If there are kickvotelist in the game they're obviously to kick him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to moderate him. The kickvote have the power to remove names on kickvotelist, during setup.

That's the entire point of kickvotelist.

If there are mods in the game they're obviously watching him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to kick him. The mods have the power to remove whoever they want, when they need to.

That's the entire point of a mod supervision.

[creedkingsx]

A cookie for you!

nyom

[McKinley]

I fail to understand what the point of this thread is. I'm surprised Elixir didn't lock this up yet.

[jordanrracer]

Let me just say something. Read the novel "Lord of the Flies". Read it years ago and one of its themes remind me of Burnt Eskimo.

I believe it was that when you start committing a crime, you will never stop in the future. This relates to why players continue to vote kick Eskimo. Why would we want to play with a confirmed Skyper who has been punished FOUR times? Doesn't make any sense and you do realize he only likes Mafia to piss people off in it 90% of the time like a usual troll does that has nothing better to do with his life. Yeah you might feel bad for this kid being punished for so long, but don't you think he deserved it? I mean he only had so many chances to change his act right?

[Menautor]

I fail to understand what the point of this thread is. I'm surprised Elixir didn't lock this up yet.

because it is bringing insight in the KV list

[Menautor]

Let me just say something. Read the novel "Lord of the Flies". Read it years ago and one of its themes remind me of Burnt Eskimo.

I believe it was that when you start committing a crime, you will never stop in the future. This relates to why players continue to vote kick Eskimo. Why would we want to play with a confirmed Skyper who has been punished FOUR times? Doesn't make any sense and you do realize he only likes Mafia to piss people off in it 90% of the time like a usual troll does that has nothing better to do with his life. Yeah you might feel bad for this kid being punished for so long, but don't you think he deserved it? I mean he only had so many chances to change his act right?

I agree a 100%

the problem is, I got to know the guy and when he plays with us mods, he follows the rules and I like the little Eskimo. So in my case, I see the troll that wants and likes to get in mischief and at the same time, he respects us enough to play fair games with us... He will likely get on the ban list again... and once he's done his time, I'll be happy to play with him. Also, he's often on the TS, come in and chat with the guy. You might like him even if you don't agree with his definition of fun

[creedkingsx]

He is a funny guy, I can give him that.
And the offense that put him back on the KV list was Jailor griefing, just one report.
It was also a couple months after, so the situation feels a little less forgiving on the surface.
Like Menautor said, he plays fair, and well. He trolls like a muthafucka, but still legitimately.
*When we are there...

[Liquidator]

Right. But that isn't what this TOPIC is about.

If there are kickvotelist in the game they're obviously to kick him.

If he cheats, they dont need you to moderate him. The kickvote have the power to remove names on kickvotelist, during setup.

That's the entire point of kickvotelist.

[Menautor]

Right. But that isn't what this TOPIC is about.

we kind of took a detour but I think the question was also answered. thank you for opening this thread.

[Liquidator]

The point is simple. Mods are telling us not to kick someone on the kick list. I am saying, then remove him from the kick list instead of telling us to not kick him. It's not very complicated. This isn't a topic about whether or not Burnt should be kicked, nor is it a topic about whether or not 2 mods being in the game is sufficient to babysit the guy. It's about fixing the damn kick list so that they don't have to tell us to not kick him.

What makes more sense: (1) Having 2 mods tell us to not kick someone on the kick list; (2) Just removing the guy from the damn kick list. Obviously #2 makes more sense. However, Menautor has already stated that the game's creator hasn't updated the list. And that is a relevant post which more or less resolves the topic.

But if a bunch of people are going to keep coming in and talking about the mods being there to watch, and other crap that isn't relevant to this topic, then I will keep pointing out that it isn't relevant. I don't know why I need to say it more than once, but apparently I do.

I fail to understand what the point of this thread is. I'm surprised Elixir didn't lock this up yet.

[Liquidator]

Yes...you and Creedsking were the only 2 who understood my point by the looks of it. I don't know why it was so hard for everyone else.

we kind of took a detour but I think the question was also answered. thank you for opening this thread.

[McKinley]

It was already answered on page one if I'm correct? And it just kept going on and on about a conversation that wasn't related to this topic.

That's why I'm surprised it wasn't locked up. When a thread strays from the original point, it's not longer a thread with relevant information when it was answered and to keep bringing it to the top of a forum merely sidetracts from other topics that might be important.

[creedkingsx]

How 'bout that rainstorm that happened?

[Menautor]

How 'bout that rainstorm that happened?

it's raining ?