Night 6

[Robb]

Hallo.

This is awesome. I'm basically cleared right now XD.

Oberyn, are you planning on actually going through with attacking Sandor? Or is it just a ploy to get another mislynch?

[Robb]

Also, I am questioning why Melisandre claimed roleblocked Night 3.

She is potentially Richard the Flayer, but she may have also been jailed. What to do.

I basically need to roleblock from here on out, as I am claimed Town escort now.

[Tywin]

Did anything happen to anyone last night?

[Robb]

All quiet on the Western Front.

Where's Oberyn.

[Oberyn]

Nothing happened to me last night.
So, here is what we know:

1- Melisandre confirms Robbs claims and lies to cover for his day 3. This does not add up in any way that is good for us. Either way, Melisandre KNOWS that you lied about your claim and most likely knows that you are orange mafia.

If Melisandre was the GF, why would Rodrik not claim to have blocked her instead of me? That would leave her claim of being roleblocked n1 doubtful. Also noting that Rodrik was not culted.

2- One of the non voters on the jester lynch is the other non GF red mafia.

3- How much trust do I put in both of you... since once I use the -remove command, it is permanent and cannot be undone.

I want both of you to convince me that you are not culted. Once I'm satisfied, then I'll tell you what I plan on doing tonight.

[Tywin]

I have this to say.

Someone visited Robb last night, and I trapped them. They survived, however, which leads me to believe that either they had armor, or Robb is now culted.

[Tywin]

It's possible someone had armor and was randomed onto him, but Joffrey claims that he hit a cit last night. It couldn't be Rodrik either, Robb wouldn't have lied about an attempted role blocking. Armor, same thing. Who else is alive? I dunno really at this point.

[Tywin]

It's also possible that BOTH Robb and Melisandre are in the cult, which is why they are covering for each other.

[Oberyn]

I shall return later. Robb, I expect you to explain yourself.

[Tywin]

Robb definitely was looking at this thread. The users reading was at 3. Except he didn't respond. I wonder why?

The thought that he is cult is getting stronger and stronger in my mind. He's probably chatting in cult chat at this point, figuring how to respond. In any case, if the cult has also infiltrated the Nosferatu the game is over.

[Robb]

Oh hai, I was playing HoN. I do that a lot.

I received no PMs last night.

If a Godfather was affected by a jester lynch, would he be directed to kill a random target or would his visitation have no effect?

Latter.

This is what I presume happened to me.
I did not get any PM, as the visitation had no effect, and the GF's passive armor made Tywin not kill him.

Alternatively, it could have been a doctor using armor.

The armor claim leads me to believe that Lord Varys is the Godfather or Doctor.

[Tywin]

... The GF cannot be sent to do the kill with 3 mafia members alive... which was the case last night...

Do you take me for stupid or something?

[Robb]

You do realize that he still visits someone.

[Tywin]

Oh hai, I was playing HoN. I do that a lot.

I received no PMs last night.





This is what I presume happened to me.
I did not get any PM, as the visitation had no effect, and the GF's passive armor made Tywin not kill him.

Alternatively, it could have been a doctor using armor.

The armor claim leads me to believe that Lord Varys is the Godfather or Doctor.

Cap/Jack: would the GF be randomly sent to kill, or would he actually have to be doing the kill to do something?

It seems rather bad luck (and very unlikely) that the only one who targeted you, Robb, was a Jester-affected Godfather.

[Tywin]

You do realize that he still visits someone.

I dunno I thought it worked like citizen. If he has no available action that night, he cannot do anything.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Cap/Jack: would the GF be randomly sent to kill, or would he actually have to be doing the kill to do something?

In the event that a Godfather fell victim to a jester vote, he would only be forced to carry out the kill if he was capable of doing so. You can assume he is treated much like any other role without a primary night action otherwise.

[Oberyn]

Oh hai, I was playing HoN. I do that a lot.

I received no PMs last night.





This is what I presume happened to me.
I did not get any PM, as the visitation had no effect, and the GF's passive armor made Tywin not kill him.

Alternatively, it could have been a doctor using armor.

The armor claim leads me to believe that Lord Varys is the Godfather or Doctor.

You do realize that he still visits someone.

That is utter BS. Read the reply by the GMs.
It says "Latter" as in "his visitation has no effect"

GF DOES NOT Visit until there is 2 dead mafia members.

[Tywin]

In the event that a Godfather fell victim to a jester vote, he would only be forced to carry out the kill if he was capable of doing so. You can assume he is treated much like any other role without a primary night action otherwise.

What I meant was, if he normally was unable to do the kill, would he still be randomly be sent out to do something? Or would he be inactive like a citizen?

[Forum Mafia GM]

What I meant was, if he normally was unable to do the kill, would he still be randomly be sent out to do something? Or would he be inactive like a citizen?

Under that condition, I've already answered your question.

[Tywin]

Oh hai, I was playing HoN. I do that a lot.

I received no PMs last night.





This is what I presume happened to me.
I did not get any PM, as the visitation had no effect, and the GF's passive armor made Tywin not kill him.

Alternatively, it could have been a doctor using armor.

The armor claim leads me to believe that Lord Varys is the Godfather or Doctor.

Again, like Sandor, Robb seems to believe that there is a doctor despite there being no evidence for it.

Coincidence? I think not.

[Oberyn]

-REMOVE ROBB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...gODuxK4#t=463s

[Oberyn]

Alright, I've been informed that has been done.

Now, Tywin. Since I forced a block on Melisandre, we know she isn't the cult leader, most likely a cult member. Any idea who is the real cult leader? Sandre did claim to be roleblocked but Rodriks action was randomized, I'll go look for any signs of a coded message from Melisandre indicating that she was roleblocked.

[Forum Mafia GM]

With a thunderous roar, Anya Nighthawk commanded Robb to begone from their home. While she could not find it in her to kill one of her own children, she would not suffer his presumed corruption in her presence any longer.

Compelled, he had no choice but to obey.

[Tywin]

I would feel really bad if Robb was actually a loyal member...

In any case, he defended himself poorly. Time to move on.

I think the cult leader is one of the lurkers. I'll go back to take a look at the thread.

[Oberyn]

Melisandre does have a few posts before he claims roleblocked. I'm guessing that Sandor was waiting to hear from his subjects to see what he could claim.

[Tywin]

If Robb was culted, then the cult leader is down a vest. It would make sense to cult Robb anyways, he was lurking at the edge of the game, and it would be nice to have a confirmed escort. As it is, it's a cat and mouse game. We have to decide who to send to do the kill. I presume Robb will probably be on one of us to prevent a possible hit on the cult leader.

I notice Ser Loras has completely disappeared from the game. I would not be surprised if he is a cult member by now.

Khal Drogo, Sandor, Illyn all seem like possible cult leader candidates. As it is, it's all a game of chance. We just have to pick someone among the serf claimers/nonclaimers and hopefully hit the right person. With the amount of lurkers in this game (including me I must admit) it is practically impossible to get an accurate read, also with all the trolling.

EDIT: Melisandre is indeed a possible cult leader. However, I would consider her a less likely choice, given how active she was, and possibly a night target for the mafias which would immediately reveal her. Then again, her attention drawing ways could have planned to work the opposite way. Again, it's all up to chance.

If the armorsmith is in the cult it's auto win. The cult has been alive and unaffected too long. They are nearly unstoppable at this point. Only a miracle kill on Dracula can get us the win.

[Tywin]

Now that I think more, Aemon is also a candidate. His dragons could be an attention-diverting move, and it could be a clever way to communicate to his followers.

[Oberyn]

The fact that Robb helped the lynch against Rodrik and jumped off Sandor when he could is also troubling.

Melisandre could not have visited Robb yesterday since she was roleblocked. And I'm really guessing that Robb got culted last night. Robb had no objections to blocking Melisandre either, probably indicating he wasn't culted at the time or Melisandre is not the leader.

[Tywin]

So your primary suspect is Sandor?

[Oberyn]

I'm really considering following through with my posted plan.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Please be as thorough as possible in your conclusions and deductions.

[Tywin]

I wish that I had hammered Sandor, at least for the info.

A seductress lynch didn't really help us at all.

EDIT: But still, Sandor was at L-1. Would the nearly majority cult, have let that happen?

That's the most troubling aspect of this situation for me. I can't make or heads or tails of it.

[Oberyn]

I'm just not sure where you would be most useful.
I can force Robb to do an action, so he can't do anything to prevent it.

But looking at the order of Ops, Culting happens before Kills. And the cult would know you are the interceptor. So I'm considering having you do the kill and block Sandor as well to protect you from being culted if Sandor really is the cult leader.

[Oberyn]

Please be as thorough as possible in your conclusions and deductions.

Why do you need to know? I'll be posting all the night actions in the other thread once decided... Is this qualifications for MVP award or something?

[Forum Mafia GM]

It is for both our benefits.

Should your night actions change the game's conclusion, it would be preferable to show it was not a fluke.

[Tywin]

Why do you need to know? I'll be posting all the night actions in the other thread once decided... Is this qualifications for MVP award or something?

Lulz

I didn't understand that post either, at all.

EDIT: Holy crud, I feel like we are onto something here, something gamechanging. Jack/Cap please enlighten these unworthy!

[Oberyn]

Well, simple fact is, if you get culted, I can't win and if Robb is culted, they know who you are and having an interceptor on their team is a huge + if they kill me off.

So basically, if I'm wrong about Sandor being cult leader, I might surrender tomorrow by revealing myself and coordinate with the town to kill the cult leader, because I refuse to let the cult win by lurking and acting this stupid in every game.

[Tywin]

Well, simple fact is, if you get culted, I can't win and if Robb is culted, they know who you are and having an interceptor on their team is a huge + if they kill me off.

So basically, if I'm wrong about Sandor being cult leader, I might surrender tomorrow by revealing myself and coordinate with the town to kill the cult leader, because I refuse to let the cult win by lurking and acting this stupid in every game.

Interesting. It's true, it's very likely I'll be culted tonight, they have all the cards on their side tonight. In any case, the only way we can is if Sandor is the cult leader. Seems like a long shot XD

Well, it was an interesting game with its up and down. The cult definitely snowballed after the first few nights and the lack of anything from the masons. Well played sir, this might be my last night with the orange alignment. I wish you the best of luck, and it was nice playing with you.

[Tywin]

Based on this game, the masons should probably have been given the capability to increase their numbers, albeit slowly. Maybe recruiting every other night. As it was, the masons were completely obliterated in 2 nights and the cult has a steamroll win.

Anyway, it looks like our actions are decided. Let's do this.

Do you want to keep talking after the actions are set? We can have some enlightening discussion XD

[Oberyn]

If by the off chance that Sandor is not the Cult Leader, as you mentioned before Ser Loras has vanished. Adding that to the hint that the Cult Leader could not be smitted by the masons from the GM. He'll probably be under fire from me tomorrow.

I ask you, do you know who I am?

[Tywin]

Not really, I am a newer player and don't have a lot of knowledge of playstyles.

Cap/Jack, are you ok with us possibly revealing COMs to each other?

The game is nearing the end anyway, the eclipse when Dracula shall rise XD

[Forum Mafia GM]

Based on this game, the masons should probably have been given the capability to increase their numbers, albeit slowly. Maybe recruiting every other night. As it was, the masons were completely obliterated in 2 nights and the cult has a steamroll win.

Anyway, it looks like our actions are decided. Let's do this.

Do you want to keep talking after the actions are set? We can have some enlightening discussion XD

It's not my fault one of them decided to out himself on like the second day and the other one acted scummy as fuck.

I also don't quite understand why you think you can only attack Sandor tonight? Care to explain?

[Oberyn]

It's not my fault one of them decided to out himself on like the second day and the other one acted scummy as fuck.

I also don't quite understand why you think you can only attack Sandor tonight? Care to explain?

As I explained in day thread, I believe that the cult leader might receive protection, making tonight the only night possible for a coordinated attack with Red mafia to override protection on Sandor. If we attack anyone else, and red does follow through with that plan, Sandor might survive if he is the cult leader.

If the cult leader is anyone else, then I've already lost since there are too many other scummy moronic town lurkers to pin the Cult leader from.

[Tywin]

As it is, the other mafia team is not the threat. Same with the town, which has nearly all PRs outed and is clearly floundering.

The major threat is the 5+ cult, led by Dracula. Every day that passes by without Dracula's death is in the favor of the cult. If red is indeed infiltrated, both mafias are compromised. We have precious few serious leads on Dracula, and Sandor is probably our best bet. If we simply take a blind shot, the chance of it hitting Dracula is immensely slow. As it is, Sandor has a slightly higher probability of being the cult leader than the other potential cult leaders, and also the one who has talked the most. He has disguised himself remarkably by trolling and using his yellow font, to the point that he has become negligible in the eyes of the town. Would a town PR do that? Possibly, but it also destroys his credibility (and he has claimed serf, even at L-1). A serf? Maybe. A cult leader? Definitely a major possibility. It would be a gambit, but after the second day when no one seriously questioned him, it would be painfully obvious to continue that style of play.

The only that strikes me as odd about Sandor being cult leader is that he was at L-1, but it does seem possible that 9 votes was pretty much the limit, I would have expected this trigger happy town to hammer him instantly, especially if he was not the cult leader.

All this together: Sandor is out best bet. We have no options left. If he is not the cult leader it's instant gg. I will be culted and the cult will become unstoppable. Of course, Robb could have been unculted but that option is highly unlikely.

It's mere probability at this point, and luck.

It didn't help that the immense amount of lurkers (guilty as charged) really demolished most hopes of day scumhunting.

[Oberyn]

Until yesterday, Melisandre was my other #1 suspect for cult leader.. but due to our night actions and the strong possibility that Robb was culted last night, that clears her from being the leader.

[Tywin]

No point second guessing, let's go for it.

Make the decision Oberyn on where you are sending me, and post in the night actions thread.

Maybe we can have some fun before the end XD

[Forum Mafia GM]

It feels like you've both resigned yourselves to defeat, when you have the tools to win right in front of you.

I could care less what your actions are, but your rationale blows and reeks of defeatism.

[Tywin]

Cap/Jack hasn't responded to my COM question. Do you have objections if we reveal?

[Tywin]

It feels like you've both resigned yourselves to defeat, when you have the tools to win right in front of you.

Well if we hit the cult leader we can win lulz

If we don't we lose

[Oberyn]

It feels like you've both resigned yourselves to defeat, when you have the tools to win right in front of you.

I do not know who the cult leader would cult next other than Tywin.. unless he can target himself, that is of no help.