MFM Gamemaster?

[McJesus]

can we have an account that is the game master of mfm similar to how the fm gamemaster works. If we did that we could make it so that the ongoing games section could only be edited by the gamemaster.

[creedkingsx]

+1

[Ambient]

That is already supposed to be Luna's job >.>

[Ambient]

Also, FM Game Master has Admin access. A M-FM cannot have same privileges.

[McJesus]

why not?

[Elixir]

Not having any ol' member of the community with Admin access.

Not even I have Admin access.

[Luna]

Another complication is that multiple people may need the account at the same time; I'm trying to encourage more cross-over and overlap in games so more people have the time to host.

I receive very few requests for actions that need that kind of access anyway, fortunately Once in a blue moon I move an FAQ from one sub-forum to another, or delete an invasive post, I'm a PM away consider me your servant on administrative matters.

[Ubernox]

Luna is good enough. In fact, why not make her and Elixir Admins? They sure are a lot more active than most.

[Ubernox]

M-FM is the new FM.

[TheJackofSpades]

She won't even do her only job which is moderating when games start (i.e. not at the beginning of mine). Why should she be given additional responsibilities?

[BorkBot]

She won't even do her only job which is moderating when games start (i.e. not at the beginning of mine). Why should she be given additional responsibilities?

What's funny is that it was Capitalier (your co-host) who gave Fragos the blessing to start it. Luna was away at the time.

[BorkBot]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-Mini-FM/page2

I'M YOUR OBEDIATENT LITTLE WHORE, FRAGOS.

APPROVED

[Nick]

can we have an account that is the game master of mfm similar to how the fm gamemaster works. If we did that we could make it so that the ongoing games section could only be edited by the gamemaster.

I think it is better for you to list out the features you want. Different people have different ideas.

Also, FM Game Master has Admin access.

And I do think that admin access is over the top. It will only take a nutjob to bring down the forums. Not worth it.

Luna is good enough. In fact, why not make her and Elixir Admins? They sure are a lot more active than most.

I think Red > Purple > Blue > Green. I do not look forward to having too many admins. But I support giving them additional powers to manage the forum if needed.

M-FM is the new FM.

I certainly do not hope so.

She won't even do her only job which is moderating when games start (i.e. not at the beginning of mine). Why should she be given additional responsibilities?

I really do hope that this forum will require minimal moderation. Members should learn to solve problems among themselves. Moderators should just keep to optimizing the rules with occasional housekeeping. Maybe powers to execute their existing responsibilities properly?

What's funny is that it was Capitalier (your co-host) who gave Fragos the blessing to start it. Luna was away at the time.

Haha.

[Forum Mafia GM]

What's funny is that it was Capitalier (your co-host) who gave Fragos the blessing to start it. Luna was away at the time.

3 things:
1) That was 3 weeks ago. It started a week ago.
2) There are two other games running as well. Can't explain that.
3) If you're trying to convince me that approval = green light to start, she's still guilty of letting it happen. If not, she's still guilty of letting it happen. Why? See #2.

[Luna]

But Jack, my job is to approve setups and help the community. Remember that, despite your best efforts, we never put in a rule limiting the amount of games people could play at once and it is all at the hosts' discretion?

Oh and I don't think McPwnage thought this idea out at all because he didn't even suggest a colour for this M-FM Game Master account! Pfft missing out such an important detail xD My vote is for Pink, because Pink is Pony.

Peace all ()

[Nick]

Oh and I don't think McPwnage thought this idea out at all because he didn't even suggest a colour for this M-FM Game Master account! Pfft missing out such an important detail xD My vote is for Pink, because Pink is Pony.

Yellow for bananas. Orange for oranges.

EDIT: Meh. Bananas eaten by donors. Oranges stolen by keepers.

[Forum Mafia GM]

But Jack, my job is to approve setups and help the community. Remember that, despite your best efforts, we never put in a rule limiting the amount of games people could play at once and it is all at the hosts' discretion?

Oh and I don't think McPwnage thought this idea out at all because he didn't even suggest a colour for this M-FM Game Master account! Pfft missing out such an important detail xD My vote is for Pink, because Pink is Pony.

Peace all ()

Well if it's not your job to deal with anything in your board beyond the approval process, I'm sure you won't mind if I freeze the games currently in progress until my FM reaches it's conclusion then, right? Because after all, it's -my- job to ensure my rules are being upheld. It's a much more preferable solution to mass modkilling, anyway.

[Luna]

The fault is the fault of the people signed up to both games, if they didn't check your policy on it first, modkill away my good sir.

But you have no authority over anyone else's games, have a polite chat with the hosts and people involved and ask if they'll temporarily postpone their games is my advice.

[Nick]

This post above me is the reason why I do not look forward to having MFM Game Masters. Even more so with admin powers.

P.S. Please do not post when feeling irritated or in anger...

EDIT: Two post above...

[Duzero]

I thought you could play FM and S-FMs at the same time?

[Forum Mafia GM]

The fault is the fault of the people signed up to both games, if they didn't check your policy on it first, modkill away my good sir.

But you have no authority over anyone else's games, have a polite chat with the hosts and people involved and ask if they'll temporarily postpone their games is my advice.

Yeah see, the authority I have over the MFM board is kind of hazy because I am one part Capitalier who has joint-jurisdiction in that regard.

No worries though, I will break the tie in opinions (You vs Cap) by asking the Small Council what their opinion is.

[Luna]

Aw Jack Once again you seem more keen to pick a fight than be friends! Do you want the situation resolved or do you simply want me to take the blame for something?

In the future, if FM Hosts wish to exclude people playing in other games, I'd suggest checking the M-FM boards once in a while

By the way has everyone voted in the poll for M-FMIX yet? Some fun looking setups in there, worth a look

[clementine]

Yellow for bananas. Orange for oranges.

EDIT: Meh. Bananas eaten by donors. Oranges stolen by keepers.

did someone say oranges? what about clementines!?
^__^

[Luna]

did someone say oranges? what about clementines!?
^__^

[Forum Mafia GM]

Aw Jack Once again you seem more keen to pick a fight than be friends! Do you want the situation resolved or do you simply want me to take the blame for something?

In the future, if FM Hosts wish to exclude people playing in other games, I'd suggest checking the M-FM boards once in a while

By the way has everyone voted in the poll for M-FMIX yet? Some fun looking setups in there, worth a look

I attempted diplomacy first, you refused to help me for whatever reason. Fine.

Now we do it my way.

[Capitalier]

What's funny is that it was Capitalier (your co-host) who gave Fragos the blessing to start it. Luna was away at the time.

So, how are you going to be Luna's little helper, if you don't even understand the system of the forum you are supposed to help moderate?

I had approved both his and McPwnage's MFMs to move onto the vote stage. Then out of nowhere, Fragos bypassed the system after I had told him to wait for the vote via PM correspondence, all while I was sleeping.

[Duzero]

did someone say oranges? what about clementines!?
^__^

How can you be clementine if your avatar doesn't contain orange anymore? It feels so weird.

---

Also please don't start more drama, there has been enough of that

[Blazer]

Too late duzero...
Why can't we be friends, why can't we be friends?
Would post video but on phone :/
<3 luna. Everyone else can suck it. She is loved by the community.
"Pledge allegiance to luna" lol

[Nick]

<3 luna. Everyone else can suck it. She is loved by the community.
"Pledge allegiance to luna" lol

Umm... for those who break the rules, please don't hide behind Luna. Own up to your mistake.

[Duzero]

So now all other games are put on hold? Bullshit.

[Yayap]

Having been host of an FM before, I understand where Jack and Capitalier are coming from. The mfm and sfm with players that are still alive in the main FM are killing the FM. I had very strict lurkings rules in FM-X that would punish those in violation. After taking a quick look at the current FM, I lost count how many lurkers there were. If I was in charge of the main FM, 1/4 of the players would have been modkilled by now... you might as well cancel a game that people aren't going to participate in.

Now, we've had this discussion in the moderator chat about this exact topic back in January. Most of the mods were all for limiting the number of Mfms and Sfm a single person could be in at once and very few liked the idea of letting them be in multiple fms. We silently agreed that it would be up to the hosts to decide if they want to allow players in their FM to be allowed to play mfms and sfms at the same time as being alive in the main FM.

Both JackofSpades and Capitalier agreed and posted this in the sign up thread of FMXII:

plz note you cannot play a fm 12 and a mfm at same time so plan accordingly

Now due to mfms being allowed to start while the main FM was just starting, Jack and Capitalier have to decide to either mass modkill, do nothing or take the issue up with the person responsible for overlooking the mfm board.

Luna should have not approved any players that are in the main FM to join any mfm.

I'm annoyed that this issue has even come up.

[Luna]

I'm annoyed that this issue has even come up.

As am I, especially since there seems to be a fundamental mis-communication on what it is I actually do ^^ I work with hosts as they present good quality setups. Once approved, I have nothing to do with signups or creating the game. People may wait until a more appropriate time to post their signups, they may not. Players should check with hosts of the games they're in if they think they won't be allowed, and hosts which impose restrictions have to police it themselves.

If things had gone as they should, the S-FMs would be filled with people currently not in FM12 (they do exist you know), or they would have been removed after two weeks.

So I urge everyone to check in the future whether or not signing up to a game represents a conflict of interest with another game

[Luna]

I also remembered that I even ran an IP check on suspected smurfs for Fragos in his game on request, and stopped a couple of people from circumventing this rule.

Fun times xD

[TheJackofSpades]

I work with hosts as they present good quality setups. Once approved, I have nothing to do with signups or creating the game.

I also remembered that I even ran an IP check on suspected smurfs for Fragos in his game on request, and stopped a couple of people from circumventing this rule.

Woah hang on a minute, you're stepping beyond the bounds of your jurisdiction there. You only have authority to approve setups, by your own words.

[Shaded]

If I can interject into this petty squabble and ask a silly newb question... what is the difference between an S-FM and an M-FM?

Edit: D'oh found my answer. There's this remarkable thing called looking in the proper section. Anyways, you can all go back to your posturing now.

[Duzero]

If I can interject into this petty squabble and ask a silly newb question... what is the difference between an S-FM and an M-FM?

This This This This This Is something that I wonder too. I thought they were different but now yayap quote a rule about FM and MFM and they still shut down S-FMs. Answer this please.

[Shaded]

This This This This This Is something that I wonder too. I thought they were different but now yayap quote a rule about FM and MFM and they still shut down S-FMs. Answer this please.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...FM-(Read-This) <--- This is the thread I somehow missed. The difference is merely that one is more simplistic than the other.

[Duzero]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/4234-S-FM-vs-M-FM-(Read-This) <--- This is the thread I somehow missed. The difference is merely that one is more simplistic than the other.

I have read it, and that is why I am so confused. They say you can't play FM and M-MF at the same time. Still they shut down the S-FMs.

[CmG]

m-fm s are not s-fm s. l2write your own rules. KKTHXBYE

[clementine]

I think I might know why there is all this confusion about playing multiple games. I signed up for s-fm and m-fm games because I did not plan to participate in fmxii initially. By the time the third reroll came around, I was itching to play and forgot about those restrictions. I think at least part of the confusion has to do with that, especially since the second signup thread (for the third restart) did not include the text about not participating in multiple games.

[ajkei]

My understanding was that you were not allowed to play in an M-FM and FMXII at the same time, but S-FMs were fine.

[Shaded]

Technically they don't specifically state that you can't play in an M-FM and an FM at the same time. At least not on that page linked above. The issue in this argument seems to come from the hosts of FMXII specifically saying that players could not, which is of course their right to do.

However, it seems to me that if players are double dipping in FMs that they know they shouldn't be, that is their own fault for not following the rules. Not Luna's. We're all supposed to be mature players here, and as a result should be responsible for our own actions. The ball is in the Gamemaster's court now. If he's willing to put up with the players breaking his rule, then he should continue on with his game as planned. If he isn't, then I suppose he has the option of modkilling the offending players. interrupting other people's games because they happen to conflict with a rule that they decided to put in place for their own game, just seems petulant to me. This is of course, all just my own opinion.

Now if you can make sense of that, good for you. I'm tired and a little rambley.

[Ambient]

Okay. Here are my two cents.. and I have to agree with Jack, Cap, and Yayap on this one.

Everyone participating in the current FM agreed to not playing ANY m/s/whatever-FM in conjunction with the current game. That being said. The hosts of the smaller games may have some idea of what is going on, but the purpose of having Luna at all was to help approve and run the smaller games. All m-FM participants must adhere to ANY FM game FIRST and FOREMOST.

Now, anyone may host these smaller games after their set up is approved. However, a general member may have trouble tracking down all of the information of other running games. There is not that much work/responsibility required for approving games. Especially vanilla set ups which a few games are. It should not be that difficult for a dual approval set up.

1. Approval of Game (Balance/Host/Whatever)
2. Approval of Participating Members (Other Games/History/Whatever)

This still requires relatively little time and effort, and DOES NOT require an additional person. Not with the number of games/member base at the moment. If we had say 4-6x what we have now. That would be a different story. There is no reason that the (self-listed) 'm-FM moderator' cannot perform the two actions listed above.

[Blazer]

Umm... for those who break the rules, please don't hide behind Luna. Own up to your mistake.

i broke rules?

[Elixir]

My understanding was that you were not allowed to play in an M-FM and FMXII at the same time, but S-FMs were fine.

I wont allow that to be used as a loophole.

Because that is utter retardation seeing as the point of the rule is to do with activity and not splitting time investment.

Lock the Ongoing Games forum and freeze all games in progress. They can pick back up where they left off at the end of 12.

The co-existance of the 'big' fm and the smaller fms will need to be re-evaluated.

[CmG]

well some other page admins clap their hands right now... Just sayin. You should put some more thought into this.

[Elixir]

And what do you suggest, CmG?

Theres obviously a problem with the two (or 4 in this case) co-existing.

edit: We need to resolve this before it turns into a team deathmatch : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KsAT...tailpage#t=62s

[Forum Mafia GM]

Phyr and I have come to an agreement on his game coming to a conclusion during FM12's night.

I am willing to offer the same deal to anyone else with a currently active game.

I won't wait forever for a reply, though.

[creedkingsx]

See here is the thing, During the first or second roll of FMXII, there was a huge deal about joining (or not) S-FM's and M-FM's.

I was originally under the assumption that it applied to both, but someone, currently a name that escapes me, had personally asked Capitilier in the chat on Skype that has Muso, and Falsu, and a good number of the active part of the community saying that he didn't want people in the game that participated specifically in m-fm 7.

Don't ask me to find the quote or anything of that sort, because that was ages ago due to the re-roll occurring.

Given that, plus the specificity of m-fm in the rules, when it would have been easier to simply say, "any other type of FM," which I now suggest stating for future FM's to clear this bullshit confusion up; it was easy for a lot of people to come under this apparent wrong assumption.

Cap is still a sexy mo' fucker <3

As for what should happen, Lix; just put all the S-FM's/M-FM's on hold, or end them, re-roll later; until FMXII is over and clarify the rule more specifically in the future.

[Forum Mafia GM]

See here is the thing, During the first or second roll of FMXII, there was a huge deal about joining (or not) S-FM's and M-FM's.

I was originally under the assumption that it applied to both, but someone, currently a name that escapes me, had personally asked Capitilier in the chat on Skype that has Muso, and Falsu, and a good number of the active part of the community saying that he didn't want people in the game that participated specifically in m-fm 7.

Don't ask me to find the quote or anything of that sort, because that was ages ago due to the re-roll occurring.

Given that, plus the specificity of m-fm in the rules, when it would have been easier to simply say, "any other type of FM," which I now suggest stating for future FM's to clear this bullshit confusion up; it was easy for a lot of people to come under this apparent wrong assumption.

Cap is still a sexy mo' fucker <3

As for what should happen, Lix; just put all the S-FM's/M-FM's on hold, or end them, re-roll later; until FMXII is over and clarify the rule more specifically in the future.

That is false.

It was the opposite, no participation in other games ASIDE from M-FM 7 because it was in the process of wrapping up when we originally started.