The holocaust was LEGAL, and here's why!

[Necroplant]

Today during a discussion with my mom about how I hate crossing the U.S border and dealing with those nazi border guards, she said "They have a right to detain you by law." She also said that the TSA has a responsibility to find bad people. Then I told her about the 4-year old girl who was molested by them, because they thought she might have a gun. But hey, the law says that's fine!

I then said (and to you, the beginning of the subject):

Hitler amended the Constitution, which become German Law. Hitler killed about 7 million people he didn't like in death camps, had the Gestapo torture anyone they wanted, and did so many things that were horrific! But he was abiding by the law. Compared to the United States, in which their own laws are broken by government all the time (amendments are deemed "vague" when translated legally), Hitler wasn't violating any statute or anything.

Yes, he re-wrote the Constitution, well so did Bush. The Patriot Act, but hey, it's the law, terrorist acts determine that children need to be molested by stupid fucks earning $12 an hour!

This is satire, of course, but this is mainly pointed at Landstander, who is Jewish and his grandma is a Holocaust survivor - RESPECT. Landstander, since you wanted to become a U.S Border Agent, you would have essentially become a modern-day Nazi. Many intellectual experts have determined that there is hardly a difference between the current U.S government and the government of Hitler - the U.S just doesn't have death camps yet.

Landstander, since you agree with enforcing the law, wasn't the Holocaust just a massive law-enforcement operation?

NOTE: This is intellectual satire, to bring up a good point - be careful how much you apologize for the government.

[Maypep_Necro]

Damn laws

[SirBlayzalot]

Am I the only one who Knows abotu the U.S. Government funded FEMA camps for detention in the states, that they are actually trying to bring to Canada... Also since Dec. 31 Obama signed the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) which gives Obama the executive power to use these camps as concentration camps... look up some of the news channels like CNN and Fox News begging people to reconsider this bill and what it could do to society... Obama modern day Hitler?

Discuss

[Sinclair]

The above statement has nothing to do with this thread. We're talking about the Holocaust not Obama turning into Hitler.


Hitler was abiding by German law. Now that doesn't mean he won't get punished by the international law. The League of Nations failed to do anything about the holocaust and WWII. (Well, really failed to prevent it) And thus UN was born (well not that simply, but still.) Anyway, under international law he is punishable for genocide. As everybody knows genocide is bad. Since genocide = bad in the eyes of the international community (of course there are some who favor genocide) Hitler = bad. Under German law he was not punishable. He was immune in his country. BUT he was not immune from the international community. Just like the Rwandan people who murdered under the casus belli of genocide, Hitler would have been sought out by the UN and punished accordingly if he did not kill himself at the end of April 1945.

So technically, the holocaust was legal under German law, not under international law though. I could not choose 2 choices.

Also anywhere from 11-17 maybe even up to 20 million people were murdered in the genocide alone the 7 million you mention is the amount of Jews murdered. Estimates put a death toll of around 26 million Soviet citizens ALONE. The total death toll is around 50-70 million people. 2.5% of the world was wiped out from WWII.

[Nick]

Law is just another name for might is right. Without enforcement it is just another useless opinion.

[SirBlayzalot]

well really it's kinda a ridiculous question, and really I answered it with my own... as long as you pull the wool over the societies eyes then it's considered legal in your country... just like every culture has different laws and rules, it's all societal norms... e.g. people in Dubai see women having no rights as just a fact of life, we see that as immoral... as long as you have a majority of the country following you, you can make pretty much anything legal... more so, my point was to reflect of the fact that he said that Bush destroyed the constitution with the Patriot Act, which is true... I just thought I'd throw out the fact that it hasn't stopped and still to this day they are takin more and more rights away... I did digress a little bit, just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in

[Maypep_Necro]

Am I the only one who Knows about the U.S. Government funded FEMA camps for detention in the states, that they are actually trying to bring to Canada...

Do you know where in Canada ?

[SirBlayzalot]

Stephen Harper actually is trying to pass the bill now, but apparently they have already started building FEMA-like camps in Alberta and up north... some scary shit man, pay attention to parliment and if this bill tries to go through make sure you petetion against it please... Also I hangout with a group that call themselves SOFREE, we go to alot of lectures and conferences on political issues and societal encumbrances... you should see if there is a group in your area, it's good to stay informed... btw not hating on all government here, I just know alot of greed is going on with lobbyists and capatialistic beaucratic government... were starting to take after "Corporate" America, and really this shit needs to stop

[Sinclair]

He really didn't destroy the constitution by passing the Patriot Act. He did that with the country's backing. And look at us, since then we haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil (not that we know of at least). I personally back the Patriot act, but I can see why you may think he destroyed the constitution, but in all reality he just fortified some parts and weakened others.

[SirBlayzalot]

follow up to your question, I dont know if I'm allowed to post links but https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...25ee928a8872d0 is a google map of all the FEMA camps to date

[Maypep_Necro]

Wow thank you for the locations, luckily, no camps in my province yet (Quebec)

[SirBlayzalot]

YET being the operative word ...just keep your nose in the political game and makes sure those bastards don't get away with anything :P

[Necroplant]

The main point of illustrating that the Holocaust was a legal action, is to get people to think about how much they defend their head of state.

Also, I have read that the FEMA camps are a hoax, by many websites. I don't have all the facts, I only know what I read. But if they want to put Americans to death, then they're doing people a favour. Americans shouldn't have to live under such bullshit laws, and btw, understand the context when I say "shouldn't have to LIVE under..." The purpose of the government is to make your mortal lives hell, not the afterlife.

There are angry white males on message boards that believe that President Bashar Al-Assad of Syria is doing the right thing to "defeat terrorists". His government has been kidnapping men, women, and CHILDREN, and torturing them in prisons one at a time. Human Rights Watch has reported "medieval" methods, like using pliers to gouge flesh from legs, cattle prods to testicles, cigarette burns, pulling out fingernails, etc. One child, who was a prominent martyr, Hamza Al-Khatib, 13 years old. He had his penis hacked off before he was killed, and then returned to his parents mutilated.

But this is another case of people "defending the law". Terrorism must be stopped at ANY COST. Even the lives of children. Isn't that a kind of terror itself? Also, the only thing Al-Assad is protecting is his right to hide in a palace, eat fine dinners, and go on shopping trips with his wife, Asma.

[Bashar Al-Assad]

Fuck you Necroplant, the rebels are killing 10,000 of my people every day! I'll bulldoze every child if I have to!

[SirBlayzalot]

well FEMA camps cant be a HOAX if there are declassified government documents and it's been on the news... in fact there is a youtube video of congress passing the bill for FEMA camps... to be fair they were originally built to harbour terrorists after 911 so they had no real threat to us, then they became for citizens in time of need after the katrina hurricane... now since the NDAA bill they can be used for anything the government sees fit... If you dont believe me, theres alot of news videos on te topic... CNN covered it, Fox News covered it to nauseum... also if your still sceptical I hate to endorse this guy because I believe he is doing more harm then good for the revolution... but Jesse Ventura actually went to congress and confronted some of the governers about the bill and they admitted to singning it but not know what it was for, because the lobbyists told them to sign it... keep in mind I hate this guy but good on him for doing something about it imo

[Bashar Al-Assad]

well FEMA camps cant be a HOAX if there are declassified government documents and it's been on the news... in fact there is a youtube video of congress passing the bill for FEMA camps... to be fair they were originally built to harbour terrorists after 911 so they had no real threat to us, then they became for citizens in time of need after the katrina hurricane... now since the NDAA bill they can be used for anything the government sees fit... If you dont believe me, theres alot of news videos on te topic... CNN covered it, Fox News covered it to nauseum... also if your still sceptical I hate to endorse this guy because I believe he is doing more harm then good for the revolution... but Jesse Ventura actually went to congress and confronted some of the governers about the bill and they admitted to singning it but not know what it was for, because the lobbyists told them to sign it... keep in mind I hate this guy but good on him for doing something about it imo

K I'll do some of my own research for it, then. Never know what to believe, you know? I mean, there are many hoaxes that have been perpetrated on the public that are still believed to this day, despite being debunked. However, I'll take your word for it and look it up.

But to be honest, this isn't Stargate exactly. It's just a camp with four walls.

If every government in the world needed to intern their citizens, they would use camps to do it. But you know something, I believe you, I mean they think molesting 4-year old kids is vital to stop terrorists, so I wouldn't put it past them to be planning on a holocaust against Americans.

[SirBlayzalot]

lol these camps are more then 4 walls.. pretty scary shit actually.... and alot of them call themselves resedential centers.. but at the same time have notes on the sign lik "Please don't bring anything in that would aid the residents in escape" ... they are miles in circumference I unno man crazy shit... but if you really wanna start learning about FACTUAL government conspiracies(not these tinfoil hat ridiculous ones)... I suggest checking out Micheal Schreur(one of the former top ranked CIA agents), and Mike Ruppert(another well known CIA agent)... they both do conferences and Micheal Scheurer is on the news all the time, although they cut him off pretty fast when he starts talkin about the ridiculous nature of the war lol

[Sinclair]

Well I know at least one of them is not true. The one near Middletown, NY does not exist. I live less than 10 miles away from there and I have never seen a FEMA camp in my life. I go to Middletown often. I have a feeling those are a hoax by someone who wants attention.

But no one said anything about the Syria thing. Al-Assad is an asshole, he is the devils right hand man. He is the next Hitler. He's fucking crazy! He says "Yeah we'll have a cease fire" and he breaks it the next day. Lets just send in Seal Team 6 and get it over with already.

[Necroplant]

Well I know at least one of them is not true. The one near Middletown, NY does not exist. I live less than 10 miles away from there and I have never seen a FEMA camp in my life. I go to Middletown often. I have a feeling those are a hoax by someone who wants attention.

But no one said anything about the Syria thing. Al-Assad is an asshole, he is the devils right hand man. He is the next Hitler. He's fucking crazy! He says "Yeah we'll have a cease fire" and he breaks it the next day. Lets just send in Seal Team 6 and get it over with already.

This is the problem with Syria: of all Arab Spring nations, that's the one that's begging for Western intervention the most. However, Russia and China, their two largest arms suppliers, vetoed the motion to do anything about it at the U.N.

I always satirized each deadline the U.N or Arab League handed out to Al-Assad. "If you don't stop killing people by Wednesday, we're going to TALK about what to do! If we can get Russia and China on-board, we'll issue a Declaration CONDEMNING your actions!"

The peace monitors could have saved a lot of gas and fuel, by just going onto YouTube and watching the videos I've seen. One shows Syrian army troops burying a man aliive, the other shows Syrian schoolchildren being arrested and herded onto transport vans to detention centres (they are still holding their backpacks). As opposed to these FEMA conspirists who won't even show any links or photographic evidence, I will provide some.

[Nick]

This is the problem with Syria: of all Arab Spring nations, that's the one that's begging for Western intervention the most.

What kind of intervention do you suggest? Libya style by giving air support? Or Iraq style with boots on the ground?

And then what? Let the oppressed be the new oppressor like Libya? Or let them descend into semi civil war like Iraq?

[Unknown User]

follow up to your question, I dont know if I'm allowed to post links but https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...25ee928a8872d0 is a google map of all the FEMA camps to date

YEA!!! THREE IN MY PROVINCE!!!!

[Sinclair]

YEA!!! THREE IN MY PROVINCE!!!!

It's fake don't get too excited.

Also, I say fuck Syria. If Russia and China are just going to supply them with arms and shit then what can we do? It will just keep on getting vetoed. Let them kill each other. We have more important things to do.

[oops_ur_gay]

Hitler was a good man.

[Necroplant]

What kind of intervention do you suggest? Libya style by giving air support? Or Iraq style with boots on the ground?

And then what? Let the oppressed be the new oppressor like Libya? Or let them descend into semi civil war like Iraq?

I will agree about one thing: with revolution comes retribution.

If they were to overthrow (and capture) Al-Assad, I'm pretty sure he is going to be tortured to death. Also his wife. To be honest, I'd be fine with that, since they have not personally known physical pain their entire lives.

Revenge against remnants of previous oppressors is a natural part of ending a war. It happened in WW2 in every single country, "denazification", they called it. The Allies forced German citizens to clean up the concentration camps and endure the fumes of dead bodies, and the Russians raped a lot of German girls and women after the capture of Berlin (which was totally uncalled for).

I understand the consequences of allowing regime change in a Middle Eastern nation. But the alternative isn't very attractive, either: allowing Al-Assad to stay in power so he can keep torturing people. By the way, this was happening in Syria way before the Arab Spring began. The Syrian Uprising began when 12 children spraypainting pro-revolution graffiti were arrested, and tortured for over a week, including having all their fingernails pulled out. That was the catalyst for the uprising.

To address your concern that post-Assad Syria will be like Libya, it's possible. However, unlike Libya, Syria is not a very tribal society, as the majority of the population are Sunnis, compared to the minority Allawites (what Al-Assad and his top generals are). It is reported that the Free Syrian Army is fractured and doesn't have a solid communication network, but that's understandable seeing as Al-Assad has an unfair advantage over them.

I guess from a "strategic" point of view, one could argue that bombing the fucking shit out of cities that have protest movements is the right way to kill rebels. However, did you know that they didn't start to get violent until a few months into protests?

If you kill enough peaceful protestors, they'll eventually forget what Gandhi said and pick up weapons.

[PIasma]

Hitler is the law.

[Amkira]

HEIL HITLER!

[Archangel]

HITLER IS A BOSS

[AmbLent]

GO HITLER!

[Iuna]

I WILL BE BANNING NECRO AND SIRBLAYZALOT FOR MAKING THIS UNNECESSARY THREAD.

[SirBlayzalot]

damn troll accounts... I was like wtf xD... and wtf with the hoax, anyone could go get these government documents and read about this... they aren't imaginary lol

[Lazers]

1. Hitler was shipping in a shitload of jews from places like Poland, where German laws did not apply

2. Hitler also violated international laws by committing crimes against humanity

8=====D

[McJesus]

The holocaust was illegal because the Nazi's lost and winners make the laws /discussion

[Necroplant]

Nick, "Might is right." is the motto of the God of Abraham, whose hairy ballsack you suckle and worship. The very mention of the phrase makes Republifag religitards like you sexually aroused. Just accept your inner fascist.

As for the patriot act, the holocaust, and these fema camps i have never heard of, they are all legal. There is nothing unconstitutional about the patriot act, nor the setting up of detention camps. You all forget that we live in states (states as in nations, you yankee fucks) that still had bounties on Indian scalps 100 years ago. As for the patriot act, just look up what Noam Chomsky has to say about it. He hates it, but he recognizes it as not being unconstitutional. I'm not going to get into the particulars right now, but you all need to realize that the motto of the Western Democratic state is "might is right." If you want political reform, go draft legislation. None of the injustices mentioned, aside from the Holohoax, are now banned by law.

Furthermore, the USA does NOT recognize ANY international laws AT ALL. The USA reserved the right to commit genocide, war crimes, and invade the Hague if a US citizen is on trial there for international crimes. Not even trolling bros. Just look up the massacres of East Timor to figure out how holocausts perpetrated in modern times are dealt with if they are commited or aided and abetted by a US aligned power or by the US itself.

Of course the Patriot Act was deemed as not violating the Constitution, because constitutional amendments can be interpreted in a variety of legal ways. It doesn't matter what it says in English, it matters what is implied. If a lawyer can argue that his view is within the "spirit" of the law, and not the language of the law, then the judge will say "You're right."

We seemed to be focused too much on the U.S here, because this post was intended for Landstander, who's Jewish, and hasn't replied yet because he's a sensitive soul.

He was training to become a U .S Border Agent, and I'm not sure how they're trained to act with drivers, but most of the ones I've seen have been total nazis, and I think that's standard operating procedure. Basically, his job would be to act like a complete asshole to people wanting to enter the U.S. He'd be an agent of the U.S government which violates many international laws.

How could he, in good conscience, be against the Holocaust then? So what, 7 million Jews died? Sorry, but Hitler deemed that being Jewish was a violation of German Law. Landstander wanted to become a law enforcement agent. Therefore, how can he hate the Nazis, who themselves were "law enforcement agents"? I'm going to argue this with every single person I talk to about this, because it's an awesome interpretation.

According to my mom's logic, I translate it to "The Nazis had the right to do what they did, by law."

I'd respect Landstander more if he became a border guard of a European nation like Switzerland instead. More countries in Europe obey U.N law than the U.S does. Many of them are model nations about how to function as a society.

[Maypep_Necro]

Hey Necro, what's your source for such tortures on children ?

[Necroplant]

Hey Necro, what's your source for such tortures on children ?

DERP, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH?

https://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/syria

[Nick]

He was training to become a U .S Border Agent, and I'm not sure how they're trained to act with drivers, but most of the ones I've seen have been total nazis, and I think that's standard operating procedure. Basically, his job would be to act like a complete asshole to people wanting to enter the U.S. He'd be an agent of the U.S government which violates many international laws.

Good for him to become a law enforcement agent to maintain peace and order. No problem as long as he hold on to his conscience, even if it means death. Loyalty is for the gullible and brainwashed. And as long as he can resist the effects of Stanford prison experiment.

[Ash]

you would have essentially become a modern-day Nazi.

modern-day Nazi.

this is next:

[Nick]

Obama is a Nazi eh? Which is the Aryan race then? I think he is of mixed heritage.

Uh oh... pure heritage beware!

[Tasogare_Akira]

I've left this open long enough.