M-FM VIII Gamethread

[Rihfok]

Tasogare - will probably vote with us.
Mopin - seems to be chaotic, unknown.
Ajkei - no idea.
We require more support.

[kiranearitachi]

nope

[clementine]

Hi Ubernox, we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
Do you want to win with the mafia by voting out the police today, or do you want to give the mafia a solo win?

-vote Rihfok

Your move, Ubernox.

[clementine]

To all citizens and players remaining.
Mafia deserves to win, and here is why:

1. All three of our members were active during the game and served vital roles. None of us was along for an easy ride, and everyone contributed either in front or behind the scenes.

Example: Duzero became mafia spokesperson in a gutsy gamble that ultimately led to his being lynched. He had been doused, so we decided the gamble would be 100% worth it since we considered him a dead man walking. Duzero knew to keep his doused status discreet, and his lynch was a key moment in mafia play because it exposed our allies and enemies, which was something that was previously completely unknown but guessed at.

Example: clementine WIFOM'ed citizen and tried to stay under the radar enough that people would believe she actually was a citizen! This paid off when the militia passed her a piece of armor which was used throughout the game to help keep the mafia safe. Clementine also took notes that helped mafia find a second police member to kill after Zane was lynched. If the bodyguard had lived further, the whole game dynamic could have been much different.

Example: kiranearitachi was a great mafia player. As consigliere, he had a VITAL role to our team, and was able to stay low enough under the radar to avoid death/dousing unlike Duzero and clementine. His actions allowed him to stay alive to gather much needed information about people's roles. We developed a code for him to communicate his results, and nobody verbally suspected that he was giving consig results the whole game.

2. Our night chat was bomb! Our team thought a lot about strategy. We were constantly discussing plans of action, where everyone had great ideas to contribute.

3. I believe there were three key moments in the game:
A. Escaho claiming outlaw to get the outlaws to turn against the mafia.
B. Duzero claiming mafia spokesperson to actually get people to role claim so alliances would be more transparent.
C. Lynching GriM-Demon, which was kind of careless on the part of the tycoons.

Escaho can no longer win, as he is dead, and tycoons should not be rewarded for making a bad game changing decision. Mafia should be rewarded for Duzero's high risk gamble. Even in his death, he helped mafia significantly.

If you give GriM-DeMoN and Goremancer a free-ride win, don't you think Mafia deserves to win, too?

[Rihfok]

I'm the underdog!
You yourself said you would like me to win!
I never get killed!
You can't do this to me!
I had to make choices, choices that were so hard for me to use!
I was practically playing alone from my team!

[clementine]

I'm the underdog!
You yourself said you would like me to win!
I never get killed!
You can't do this to me!
I had to make choices, choices that were so hard for me to use!
I was practically playing alone from my team!

Rihfok, while I always root for the underdog, can you tell me any game-changing strategies or plans that you enacted that make you worthy of a win? I do not know your rationale behind many of your votes - at times they seemed random. If you can explain them a little better (strategy involved), then perhaps you do deserve to win.

I think we should all type out our faction strategies to give the citizens a full picture of what happened behind the scenes during this game so they can decide who to vote for.

Also, mafia made a strategic decision in killing Dust two nights ago. It had to be done, because we were sure outlaws were going to ignite, but if they didn't, we knew that going into the final it would hurt us if police and tycoon aligned players had the voting power to eliminate mafia. It was 100% a strategic decision. At this point, it is no longer strategically the correct thing to do to eliminate citizens. Just Rihfok, to end the game, OR Ubernox, if mafia wants to win alone.

[Mopin]

Could everyone just vote Rihfok? I've stopped caring about having a lone victor as this game lost all semblance of skill and strategy a few days back, so managing to win by yourself now doesn't exactly mean anything.

-Vote Rihfok

2 more votes to go!

[Rihfok]

Could everyone just vote Rihfok? I've stopped caring about having a lone victor as this game lost all semblance of skill and strategy a few days back, so managing to win by yourself now doesn't exactly mean anything.

-Vote Rihfok

2 more votes to go!

Thanks for the support...

[Ubernox]

Mopin, vote Clementine or face my wrath tonight.

All right, listen up! I am the Briber here, do I'm in charge. If you do not vote for Clementine, I will redirect the mafia kill on to you. You will lose. Got it? Now vote Clementine OUT OF HERE.

[kiranearitachi]

Mopin, vote Clementine or face my wrath tonight.

All right, listen up! I am the Briber here, do I'm in charge. If you do not vote for Clementine, I will redirect the mafia kill on to you. You will lose. Got it? Now vote Clementine OUT OF HERE.

-Vote Rihfok 1 more bitch

[Ubernox]

Gun's pointed at you, Mopin. If I go, I'm taking you with me.

[Ubernox]

Also, everyone that's going to vote for Rihfok already has. You've peaked, folks.

[Ubernox]

The fact is that Rihfok is the underdog here. Helpless, with the rest of his team dead, he's somehow managed to survive all this time. It's almost abominable to vote him out now.

[kiranearitachi]

lol

[ajkei]

Does the game end when a two way alliance wins together?

[clementine]

Does the game end when a two way alliance wins together?

Dunno, but since the m-fm and s-fm games are all being shut down, I figure we might as well just end this today instead of pausing and then picking it back up when fmxii is done.

[ajkei]

All right, listen up! I am the Briber here, do I'm in charge. If you do not vote for Clementine, I will redirect the mafia kill on to you. You will lose. Got it? Now vote Clementine OUT OF HERE.

What a lie. Anything but redirecting the mafia to themselves to try to earn a solo win would be considered gamethrowing IMO.
Ubernox, you've won the game already. You just need to side with the mafia, who have been faithful in their alliance to you the whole game, and the game ends.
There is no benefits to choosing Rihfok over the mafia. Rihfok has not really done anything strategically that has caused him to survive to this point. He is here for the same reason we (the citizens) are: We are not a threat and can be taken out at any time. The mafia have been much more active in trying to ensure their faction wins (after all, that is apparently what you believe to make a person "deserving" of living - you even lynched your own team for not trying.) There is no strategic purpose to you siding with Rihfok, nor is it the "higher" moral choice. The mafia played a great game, and fully deserve to win.
With that, -Vote Rihfok
Good game.

[ajkei]

Dunno, but since the m-fm and s-fm games are all being shut down, I figure we might as well just end this today instead of pausing and then picking it back up when fmxii is done.

My thoughts are that it will go through the final night like it does in SC2mafia. The mafia will try to shoot Ubernox, and Ubernox will witch the shot at the mafia. In the morning, the game will be over and the mafia+tycoons will win.

[ajkei]

Does bribing force visiting a target, or does it only switch whatever ability is used to a different target? That is, if someone were to take no action and were bribed, would they still take action on the target the bribe tells them to target? If a specific mafia role is bribed, will it use the shared ability, or its specific ability?
I'm sure you know where I'm going here.

[Ubernox]

>mfw

[Ubernox]

What a lie. Anything but redirecting the mafia to themselves to try to earn a solo win would be considered gamethrowing IMO.
Ubernox, you've won the game already. You just need to side with the mafia, who have been faithful in their alliance to you the whole game, and the game ends.
There is no benefits to choosing Rihfok over the mafia. Rihfok has not really done anything strategically that has caused him to survive to this point. He is here for the same reason we (the citizens) are: We are not a threat and can be taken out at any time. The mafia have been much more active in trying to ensure their faction wins (after all, that is apparently what you believe to make a person "deserving" of living - you even lynched your own team for not trying.) There is no strategic purpose to you siding with Rihfok, nor is it the "higher" moral choice. The mafia played a great game, and fully deserve to win.
With that, -Vote Rihfok
Good game.

I stopped caring three days ago. I just wanted Rihfok to win.

[Tasogare_Akira]

-vote clementine

[clementine]

Sorry Akira, he's already hammered.

@ajkei, the act of bribing doesn't force mafia to shoot. If game ends now, that's fine. If it goes into a night cycle, kira and I will have to discuss our plans just b/c there's a 50:50 chance we could take out Ubernox, and a 50:50 chance we would be witched, probably to target a citizen (most likely you, lol).

[kiranearitachi]

Sorry Akira, he's already hammered.

@ajkei, the act of bribing doesn't force mafia to shoot. If game ends now, that's fine. If it goes into a night cycle, kira and I will have to discuss our plans just b/c there's a 50:50 chance we could take out Ubernox, and a 50:50 chance we would be witched, probably to target a citizen (most likely you, lol).

what u want to do clem?

[Tasogare_Akira]

Sorry Akira, he's already hammered.

@ajkei, the act of bribing doesn't force mafia to shoot. If game ends now, that's fine. If it goes into a night cycle, kira and I will have to discuss our plans just b/c there's a 50:50 chance we could take out Ubernox, and a 50:50 chance we would be witched, probably to target a citizen (most likely you, lol).

As long as day isn't over, nobody's hammered. CHANGE YOUR VOTES!

[Tasogare_Akira]

As long as day isn't over, nobody's hammered. CHANGE YOUR VOTES!

The cits got this. Time for a turnabout.

OBJECTION! I command the defense to refrain from conjecture!

[kiranearitachi]

As long as day isn't over, nobody's hammered. CHANGE YOUR VOTES!

UM GUESS WHAT AKIRA

but if one person receives 4 or more votes, lock the vote tally immediately, and that person will be lynched.

see the LOCK THE VOTE

[Ubernox]

I guess ajkei was just doing his job, since Mafia are the closest thing to outlaws. It's Mopin who should die, now.

Mafia, can you kill Mopin tonight plox?

[kiranearitachi]

I guess ajkei was just doing his job, since Mafia are the closest thing to outlaws. It's Mopin who should die, now.

Mafia, can you kill Mopin tonight plox?

are you going to direct us?

[Mopin]

I guess ajkei was just doing his job, since Mafia are the closest thing to outlaws. It's Mopin who should die, now.

Mafia, can you kill Mopin tonight plox?

Such cruelty...

I've only every wished to serve you Ubernox.

[kiranearitachi]

Such cruelty...

I've only every wished to serve you Ubernox.

lol he doesnt care

[Ubernox]

Hell, forget it. I threw the game away once I let myself be swayed by Escaho's (RIP) ramblings.

[ajkei]

Theoretically, if the Mafia were to kill the tycoons, would the outlaw citizen win for completing the outlaws' objective?
Achievement get?

[kiranearitachi]

Theoretically, if the Mafia were to kill the tycoons, would the outlaw citizen win for completing the outlaws' objective?
Achievement get?

lol good point

[Fragos]

The Day 7 is nearing its end. Rihfok was lynched. His role was Detective. He was the last member of Police.

The Police team was eliminated! Now the last remaining Tycoon has a choice - accept victory together with Mafia, or continue struggling against then.

Decisions, decisions... What is Ubernox's response here?

[Fragos]

Both Mafia and the last Tycoon must agree here for collateral victory. If even one side disagrees with alliance, the game will simply move into Night 7.

Will you accept the spoils of war or keep fighting?

[clementine]

Well there is a 50:50 chance for joint or solo win. Im fine with a joint win since the fm rules are shutting down s-fm and m-fm games. What do you think Kira and uber?

[clementine]

Tycoons we were loyal to you even though you betrayed us! Too bad we had to kill your members to force your cooperation.

[Ubernox]

haha, no.

[Fragos]

Ubernox declined the alliance offer. The game will move onto Night 7.

Good luck, Ubernox! This thread is locked now.

[Fragos]

Dead players now can watch the night chats of other teams.

[Fragos]

The final day began with a standstill. Nobody died during the last night. Will this feud between last two factions funally ends today?

Role list:

Mafia Member
Mafia Member

Tycoon Member

Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Hidden Police roles: Sheriff, Investigator, Detective, Sleuth, Jailor, Bodyguard
Hidden Militia roles: Mason Leader, Doctor, Vigilante, Journalist, Lookout, Armorsmith
Hidden Outlaw roles: Outlaw, Electro Maniac, Escort, Drug Dealer, Framer, Grave Robber
Hidden Mafia roles: Mafioso, Consigliere, Janitor, Blackmalier, Enforcer, Godfather
Hidden Tycoon roles: Tycoon, Merchant, Gunsmith, Bus Driver, Security Guard, Actor

Player list:

clementine
ajkei
kiranearitachi
Mopin
Tasogare Akira
Ubernox


Graveyard:

TimeTrx (Citizen) - Shot in the back by unknown assassin
Zane (Sheriff, fourth Mayor) - Lynched by town for not giving out free bananas
Omeleet (Bodyguard) - Lost in a duel against a mob
Duzero (Blackmailer) - Publicly hanged in the town square
Phyr (Mason Leader) - Shot down by several unknown attackers
Carolina Crown (Drug Dealer) - Shot down by the firing squad at day's end
straykiwi (Armorsmith) - Shot down by a hitman
Ash (Outlaw) - Died from multiple bullet wounds, apparently killed by more than one person
Grim-Demon (Gunsmith) - Beaten down by a crazy mob
ReauxTsunami (Escort) - Shot down with a custom-made gun
Dust (Mason) - Killed by a mobster in the dark alley
Escaho (Journalist) - Publicly executed at the end of day.
Goremancer (Bus Driver) - Killed by Mafia during the night.
Rihfok (Detective) - Publicly shot down by Mafia with decision of majority.


Day 8 begins now. Whoever receives the most votes when day ends will be lynched. You can vote only for 1 person at the same time. Votes must be written in red text. You can change your votes as many times as you want, but if one person receives 4 or more votes, lock the vote tally immediately, and that person will be lynched. If the last Tycoon agrees to win with Mafia anyway, the game will end with collateral victory of both factions, otherwise the game ends only when one faction remains.

Day 8 will last 24 hours maximum.

Good luck!

[kiranearitachi]

sup clem and uber and others

[Mopin]

Sooo... Why no kill for the mafia? Ubernox witched attack onto the godfather perhaps?

[clementine]

-vote Ubernox

Fragos said Ubernox didn't submit a night action. Kira and I decided to do nothing so that we wouldn't accidentally kill one of our citizen supporters if Ubernox was going to witch us to do so.

[kiranearitachi]

-vote Ubernox

[Tasogare_Akira]

Mopin and Akjei, we can still win this! Let's not let mafia win!
-vote Clementine

[kiranearitachi]

stfu

Mopin and Akjei, we can still win this! Let's not let mafia win!
-vote Clementine

[clementine]

Lynch ubernox today and then shoot Akira tonight.

[Ubernox]

As you can see, Mafia kill citizens.

As for the night actions, it was intentional.


-vote Clementine