Board Meeting Three: The Investigation Continues...

[Udyr]

-vote Udyr

We have to start somewhere and he clearly lied about his online activities. His hard info was, interesting lulz. Still a pretty pathetic strategy for a Mafia. Oh well i would prefer to lynch J4 or Irelia just because they only spam shit the whole day.

4 great justice!

I never lied about my online activities, my friend. I have nothing to hide, so I remained visible instead of choosing invisible mode. I constantly checked my phone while I was out of town on Saturday to make sure I wasn't being lynched. That was why you saw me online.

I said I was out of town, and I was. I did not lie.

[Jarvan IV]

Your case against me is pathetic. I have something called a phone, which I use to check the posts and quickly skim through them to ensure that I know the gist of what is going on. Obviously, I would find some way to get internet if I was being accused, as is the case now.

Regardless, I no longer think Sona is suspicious. I have thoroughly read Day 2 and I am convinced that Sona is taking too many risks that a mafia member would never take.

For now, I believe Jarvan to be the serial killer, so I will support his lynch.
-vote Jarvan

Reading day 2 in detail has lead me to suspect Zilean and Ryze to a much greater extent than I had previously thought. I also find Katarina to be less scummy than I previously thought.

I would be willing to support a lynch on:
Ryze
Soraka
Zilean
Jarvan

If you think I am still somehow scummy please state adequate reasons instead of saying it was because I was inactive. I truly do not believe the people accusing me are mafia, they are just desperate to lynch someone, anyone, even if it is a terrible choice. Right now, I happen to be the one with the greatest amount of votes, so it is understandable that people will want to lynch me. I urge you to reconsider. The evidence presented on me is insubstantial at best, but I would be willing to answer any legitimate questions you have for me.

You're a pussy, bitch tits.

I hope you die in a car fire.

[Udyr]

I find it especially odd that Soraka is defending me at every turn even though I accuse her of being mafia. Maybe I have missed something in my read through. I will reserve judgement for now. Granted, such behavior should be noted. I encourage everyone to analyze her reaction to my accusation.

Back to reading.

[Udyr]

Ah yes, Jarvan may be a jester. All things considered, Ryze would be a better lynch. I will switch my vote back to Jarvan if the lynch on Ryze becomes hopeless.

-unvote
-vote Ryze

[Graves]

I wouldn't worry too much Udyr we're not going to get enough votes i suspect. playing a citizen is only annoying when you can't muster up enough votes for a lynch. i would definitely support a Jarvan lynch over you Udyr but unfortunately there are less flexible people that would rather lynch you.

Though Ryze is definitely not someone I'd prioritize a lynch on at the moment.

[Renekton]

I never lied about my online activities, my friend. I have nothing to hide, so I remained visible instead of choosing invisible mode. I constantly checked my phone while I was out of town on Saturday to make sure I wasn't being lynched. That was why you saw me online.

I said I was out of town, and I was. I did not lie.

Maybe if you claim your COM i would take my vote away from you... Friend. lol

[Shaco]

Shaco questions what information people expect to gain from lynching Udyr, who has lurked all game and not established any connections. Shaco is not saying he is opposed to an Udyr lynch, as Shaco would rather have someone lynched today than another no lynch day. Shaco just believes there are better targets.

[Jarvan IV]

Here's an idea! Why don't all of the dumbasses voting Udyr just vote for me?

[Udyr]

I wouldn't worry too much Udyr we're not going to get enough votes i suspect. playing a citizen is only annoying when you can't muster up enough votes for a lynch. i would definitely support a Jarvan lynch over you Udyr but unfortunately there are less flexible people that would rather lynch you.

Though Ryze is definitely not someone I'd prioritize a lynch on at the moment.

Let me attempt to convince you otherwise.
Ryze

Day 2 #358: Discredits Irelia's jailor claim(even though it is essentially confirmed) and defends Jarvan AND is one of the only people to defend Lee Sin's jailor. He essentially implies that all the jailors were town, which we all know is impossible and tries to redirect attention off of Lee Sin's jailor. (I explained why in a previous post)

Day 2 #604: Discredits Fizz. Seems to have an ulterior motive.

Day 2 #713: Defends Alistar.

Day 2 #770: Troll post.

Day 2 #777: Seems to assert that his posts have quality as opposed to Jarvan's when they are quite clearly do not.
Only had 5~ posts on day 2, most of them very scummy.

Day 3 #345: Claims there are only 2 jailors, and that the one who died did not jail Irelia. We know this is false because the jailor who died was Irelia's jailor. He makes no mention of Jarvan's jailor and doesn't say whose jailor must be Lucy in his hypothetical scenario. He then accuses Lee Sin and Fizz of mafia and of fabricating their jailor. He then votes Lee Sin based upon a very unlikely hypothetical. Very scummy.

Conclusion: Ryze is almost definitely Lucy Stillman. He enjoys lurking and posting scummy things that dig himself into a deeper hole. He fails to acknowledge that Irelia's jail claim is 100% proven multiple times and tries to discredit it until he is proven wrong beyond reasonable doubt. He lingers on the topic of jailors when people want to stop talking about it and move on. He sounds personally invested in the topic to an extent which surpasses mild interest that a regular townsman would have.

[Renekton]

Let me attempt to convince you otherwise.
Ryze

Day 2 #358: Discredits Irelia's jailor claim(even though it is essentially confirmed) and defends Jarvan AND is one of the only people to defend Lee Sin's jailor. He essentially implies that all the jailors were town, which we all know is impossible and tries to redirect attention off of Lee Sin's jailor. (I explained why in a previous post)

Day 2 #604: Discredits Fizz. Seems to have an ulterior motive.

Day 2 #713: Defends Alistar.

Day 2 #770: Troll post.

Day 2 #777: Seems to assert that his posts have quality as opposed to Jarvan's when they are quite clearly do not.
Only had 5~ posts on day 2, most of them very scummy.

Day 3 #345: Claims there are only 2 jailors, and that the one who died did not jail Irelia. We know this is false because the jailor who died was Irelia's jailor. He makes no mention of Jarvan's jailor and doesn't say whose jailor must be Lucy in his hypothetical scenario. He then accuses Lee Sin and Fizz of mafia and of fabricating their jailor. He then votes Lee Sin based upon a very unlikely hypothetical. Very scummy.

Conclusion: Ryze is almost definitely Lucy Stillman. He enjoys lurking and posting scummy things that dig himself into a deeper hole. He fails to acknowledge that Irelia's jail claim is 100% proven multiple times and tries to discredit it until he is proven wrong beyond reasonable doubt. He lingers on the topic of jailors when people want to stop talking about it and move on. He sounds personally invested in the topic to an extent which surpasses mild interest that a regular townsman would have.

Or Goremancer....

[Udyr]

Maybe if you claim your COM i would take my vote away from you... Friend. lol

My COM name is irrelevant and should not be used for scumhunting. I may, however, roleclaim because it will prevent a foolhardy lynch from occuring. I will have to weigh the pros and cons of such a decision, so I will need some time to decide.

[Renekton]

Auckmid or Fred?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Ambient think's this is correct tally.

Jarvan IV (6) : Fiddlesticks, Zilean, Fizz, Alistar, Veigar, Soraka
Udyr (11): Katarina, Pantheon, Sona, Orianna, Leona, Irelia, Nautilus, Graves, Jarvan IV, Renekton, Riven
Alistar (1) : Lee Sin, Shaco
Lee Sin (1) : Ryze
Ryze (3) : Fiora, Gangplank, Udyr
Caitlyn (1) : Nocturne
Gangplank (1) : Lux

[Udyr]

Auckmid or Fred?

COM name hunting reduces this game to a game of semantics. I refuse to answer your question and I urge anyone else pressured to reveal their COMname to refuse as well.

We want this game to be fun, not "Find Fragos". We need to work together to fix the metagame and we can only start with baby steps like these. I would rather die than claim my COM name. I refuse to be judged by my previous mistakes and I refuse to judge others on theirs.

Every person deserves a fresh start and you are undermining that very idea by asking for my COM name. I have no problem with people revealing their COM names voluntarily, but pressuring someone under the threat of a vote against them for it is disgraceful. I am disappointed in you.

What is the point of anonymity if you try to bypass it every time? You are wasting my time and yours.

[Renekton]

the only one who has a problem with his COM id seems to be you. I don´t judge anybody for his/her mistakes from previous games. So you are Auckmid ey? Whatever

[Gangplank]

Ambient think's this is correct tally.

Jarvan IV (6) : Fiddlesticks, Zilean, Fizz, Alistar, Veigar, Soraka
Udyr (11): Katarina, Pantheon, Sona, Orianna, Leona, Irelia, Nautilus, Graves, Jarvan IV, Renekton, Riven
Alistar (3) : Lee Sin, Riven, Shaco
Lee Sin (1) : Ryze
Ryze (3) : Fiora, Gangplank, Udyr
Caitlyn (1) : Nocturne
Gangplank (1) : Lux

While I do have some issues with Udyr, namely his idleness and tendency to lurk, I simply don't understand why there are so many votes on him compared to people like Ryze who has presented far more scumminess.

I don't see any scumtells/PR tells from Udyr because all he has done is analyze previous posts. As Shaco points out, NO information can be gained from his lynching.

Jarvan deserves to be shot.

I feel like Ryze may be the jester. His many logical fallacies are too numerous and simplistic to be normal mistakes. There are not just the style or manner of his posts, but the SUBJECT CONTENT ITSELF. The things pointed out by Udyr point to more than just being amateur or new, but instead just completely BLIND or STUPID.

We won't get a lynch today, I believe. People need to shoot Ryze/Jarvan tonight. Then there will information that will be useful for the town.

[Udyr]

While I do have some issues with Udyr, namely his idleness and tendency to lurk, I simply don't understand why there are so many votes on him compared to people like Ryze who has presented far more scumminess.

I don't see any scumtells/PR tells from Udyr because all he has done is analyze previous posts. As Shaco points out, NO information can be gained from his lynching.

Jarvan deserves to be shot.

I feel like Ryze may be the jester. His many logical fallacies are too numerous and simplistic to be normal mistakes. There are not just the style or manner of his posts, but the SUBJECT CONTENT ITSELF. The things pointed out by Udyr point to more than just being amateur or new, but instead just completely BLIND or STUPID.

We won't get a lynch today, I believe. People need to shoot Ryze/Jarvan tonight. Then there will information that will be useful for the town.

Ryze is not the jester. We should be lynching him. I will roleclaim, I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I'll try to do it as quickly as possible so that we have the maximum amount of time to switch our votes back onto Ryze.

Be right back.

[Udyr]

Spoiler : My Role :

Night 1: //codecheck Veigar
FM Game Master: "Your Target's Animus appears to be highly Synchronized. They may be a Session Logger (Journalist), but may also be an Amnesiac, or Student. "

Night 2: //codecheck Ryze
FM Game Master: "Your Target's Animus appears to be involved primariliry in desynchronizations. They may be an Animus Desynchronizer (Vigilante) or Animus Supervisor (Jailor), but he may also be Lucy Stillman (Assassin-aligned Jailor), or Mafioso."

My night 1 check was completely random. My night 2 check was based on a hasty run through of the thread right after I returned home after being out of town.

Take it as you will, but be sure to look over Ryze's posts and interrogate him further. To me, he is Lucy Stillman beyond all reasonable doubt.

[Gangplank]

Well. It appears to me that Ryze should nonetheless be shot.

If he is jailor, he has played a terrible jailor and is completely retarded.

We should wait on a claim on him, but as I said, I don't think anyone will be lynched today.

Not sure what I think of your role claim considering Alistar also claimed invest, but going to have to wait on Veigar. TBH, if Veigar is ANY of those roles, then he should claim immediately (and either apprentice or become town) because Mafia is pretty hard screwed at this point, and it instantly validates your claim Udyr.

As I said, it now appears as if Ryze should be shot anyway.

[Riven]

why did you choose to come out with the info so late Udyr?

[Jarvan IV]

I want to grape your face.

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[Riven]

Also, on what grounds did you check Ryze seeing how you haven't even read day 2?

[Shaco]

-vote Ryze

Shaco would like to hear a defense from Ryze, so Shaco asks everyone not to hammer before he has that chance.

[Shaco]

-vote Ryze

[Udyr]

why did you choose to come out with the info so late Udyr?

Because
1) It does not incriminate anyone unless you listen to what I have to say. There were no guarantees you would just believe what a lurker would have to say if he randomly claimed after being pressure-voted. Early claims are not pro-town, See:Gangplank <-- claimed after just 2 pressure votes, is still regarded as scummy to most people.
2) I was not in any real danger of being lynched.
3) I wasn't 100% convinced Ryze was Lucy until I finished reading Day 3 and Day 2.

[Riven]

-vote Ryze

[Udyr]

Also, on what grounds did you check Ryze seeing how you haven't even read day 2?

Like I said, I skimmed through it and picked someone that sounded scummy. I believe I have hit the jackpot, so to say.

Ask Veigar to confirm my investigation of him and call on Ryze to defend himself.

[Nunu]

Sorry for being AFK for most of the day. I'll read eveverything and vote before deadline.

[Graves]

you really should have claimed earlier and honestly Ryze is far from confirmed to be Lucy. Why lynch Ryze? i wouldn't be surprised if he was indeed the Vigilante. simple check - Ryze can shoot/jail and execute Jarvan tonight, otherwise vigilante can shoot Ryze. quite frankly you haven't been the most observant player here Udyr.

you attack Ryze for reasons such as defending Alistar or being suspicious of Fizz and Lee Sin. Pro-Town players could also have a similar stance.

[Graves]

The mere fact Shaco immediately flopped over to a Ryze vote makes me entirely dubious.

[Sona]

SHOOTING JARVAN OR SORAKA IS GOOD.

CHOOSE ONE AND HAVE A WATCHER IN PLACE TO SNIFF THE PACKETS.

LUCY STILLMAN MAY GIVE IMMUNITY.

Shaco questions what information people expect to gain from lynching Udyr, who has lurked all game and not established any connections. Shaco is not saying he is opposed to an Udyr lynch, as Shaco would rather have someone lynched today than another no lynch day. Shaco just believes there are better targets.

THIS IS UNTRUE.

UDYR IMPLICITLY TRUSTS FIDDLESTICKS AND WE KNOW NOT WHY.

ADD TO THAT:

HE WANTS TO KEEP THE BA'KU OFF IRELIA'S BACK.

Ryze is almost definitely Lucy Stillman. He enjoys lurking and posting scummy things that dig himself into a deeper hole. He fails to acknowledge that Irelia's jail claim is 100% proven multiple times and tries to discredit it until he is proven wrong beyond reasonable doubt. He lingers on the topic of jailors when people want to stop talking about it and move on. He sounds personally invested in the topic to an extent which surpasses mild interest that a regular townsman would have.

REQUESTING EXPLANATION FOR YOUR ABSOLUTE TRUST IN FIDDLESTICKS.

THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS SHOWN TO BE PERSONALLY INVESTED IN THE TOPIC OF JAILORS TO AN EXTENT WHICH SURPASSES MILD INTEREST THAT A REGULAR TOWNSMAN SHOULD HAVE EVEN BEFORE HE WAS SUPERVISED HIMSELF. YET YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HIM IS VIRTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF RYZE.

WHY?

[Shaco]

The mere fact Shaco immediately flopped over to a Ryze vote makes me entirely dubious.

Shaco wonders where Graves would like Shaco to place his vote?

[Udyr]

you really should have claimed earlier and honestly Ryze is far from confirmed to be Lucy. Why lynch Ryze? i wouldn't be surprised if he was indeed the Vigilante. simple check - Ryze can shoot/jail and execute Jarvan tonight, otherwise vigilante can shoot Ryze. quite frankly you haven't been the most observant player here Udyr.

you attack Ryze for reasons such as defending Alistar or being suspicious of Fizz and Lee Sin. Pro-Town players could also have a similar stance.

You defend Ryze before he defends himself. While I agree that Ryze may not be Lucy, he is by far the most likely candidate to be Lucy based on my investigation results and his behavior. You cannot deny that. Are you still going to vote for me despite the fact that I have roleclaimed?

[Udyr]

SHOOTING JARVAN OR SORAKA IS GOOD.

CHOOSE ONE AND HAVE A WATCHER IN PLACE TO SNIFF THE PACKETS.

LUCY STILLMAN MAY GIVE IMMUNITY.



THIS IS UNTRUE.

UDYR IMPLICITLY TRUSTS FIDDLESTICKS AND WE KNOW NOT WHY.

ADD TO THAT:

HE WANTS TO KEEP THE BA'KU OFF IRELIA'S BACK.



REQUESTING EXPLANATION FOR YOUR ABSOLUTE TRUST IN FIDDLESTICKS.

THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS SHOWN TO BE PERSONALLY INVESTED IN THE TOPIC OF JAILORS TO AN EXTENT WHICH SURPASSES MILD INTEREST THAT A REGULAR TOWNSMAN SHOULD HAVE EVEN BEFORE HE WAS SUPERVISED HIMSELF. YET YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HIM IS VIRTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF RYZE.

WHY?

I trust all those I have no reason to distrust. I do not trust him more than any other bloke in particular. I will provide you my notes on him so that we are clear on my stance on Fiddlesticks.

My notes on him are relatively incomplete, forgive me.
Day 2 #99: Discredits Lee Sin and her jailor by asking probing questions. Despite all this, however, he seems to be pro-town. It could be a ploy, but considering that Lee Sin's jailor is probably Lucy, he doesn't seem to have an ulterior motive of any kind.
Day 2 #121: An extremely good point about mafia jailor mechanics. Very pro-town, but is inconclusive.
Day 2 #140: Votes Jarvan based on decent combined scumtells. Still pro-town.
Day 2 #288: Defends Karthus.
Conclusion: Has an inquisitive air about him. Although he can be mafia, I am leaning towards town for him. Sona is pushing for his lynch with a single minded focus, she may have information on him because I see no particular scumtells of note.

[Veigar]

Why are people discrediting my previous vote? Add me to the vote tally!
-vote Jarvan IV
I shouldn't need to do this twice.

[Udyr]

Regarding Irelia, she has a 100% confirmed jailor story with the jailor's last will. Discrediting that is scummy.

Remember, her jailor tells us nothing about Irelia herself. We still have no idea whether she is town or not, we only know that her claim of being jailed on night 1 is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

[Udyr]

Why are people discrediting my previous vote? Add me to the vote tally!
-vote Jarvan IV
I shouldn't need to do this twice.

Veigar, please confirm my investigation result of you.

[Veigar]

Veigar, please confirm my investigation result of you.

Repeat it? I must of missed it.

[Sona]

YOUR READS ARE STRANGE TO ME.

YOUR ANSWER WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

IF IRELIA IS AN ASSASSIN ALONG WITH LEE SIN OR JARVAN AND ERUDITO SCANNED LEBLANC IRELIA COULD STILL BE LYING.

THAT CAN ONLY BE TRUE IF IRELIA IS ERUDITO HERSELF AND THAT IS DOUBTFUL.

ADDITIONALLY ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT LEBLANC WOULD PLACE THIS IN HER LAST WILL.

AS SHE ALREADY GAVE AWAY HER ROLE.

-UNVOTE UDYR

THE TIMING OF YOUR REVELATION IS HIGHLY INCONVENIENT TO US.

RYZE WILL NOT BE LYNCHED AND WILL SURELY BE CONTROLLED BY THE GUARDIAN OF EDEN DURING THE FOLLOWING ANIMUS SESSION.

THERE WILL BE TROUBLE IF THEY ARE A DESYNCHRONIZER.

VEIGAR NOT BEING BA'KU COMES AS NO SURPRISE TO US.

STANDING BY FOR WORD FROM RYZE OR VEIGAR.

[Udyr]

Repeat it? I must of missed it.

Night 1: //codecheck Veigar
FM Game Master: "Your Target's Animus appears to be highly Synchronized. They may be a Session Logger (Journalist), but may also be an Amnesiac, or Student. "

Confirm that you fall in this investigation category please.

[Udyr]

[QUOTE=Sona;104394]YOUR READS ARE STRANGE TO ME.

YOUR ANSWER WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

IF IRELIA IS AN ASSASSIN ALONG WITH LEE SIN OR JARVAN AND ERUDITO SCANNED LEBLANC IRELIA COULD STILL BE LYING.

THAT CAN ONLY BE TRUE IF IRELIA IS ERUDITO HERSELF AND THAT IS DOUBTFUL.

ADDITIONALLY ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT LEBLANC WOULD PLACE THIS IN HER LAST WILL.

AS SHE ALREADY GAVE AWAY HER ROLE.

-UNVOTE UDYR

THE TIMING OF YOUR REVELATION IS HIGHLY INCONVENIENT TO US.

RYZE WILL NOT BE LYNCHED AND WILL SURELY BE CONTROLLED BY THE GUARDIAN OF EDEN DURING THE FOLLOWING ANIMUS SESSION.

THERE WILL BE TROUBLE IF THEY ARE A DESYNCHRONIZER.
Although I do think you are hopelessly confused, I do not suspect you to be mafia. Unfortunately, you are correct that Ryze will likely not be lynched today.

For that reason, I request that a vigilante shoot Ryze tonight to clear me and kill Lucy Stillman. Thank you.

[Udyr]

Also, a lookout should watch Ryze to find the vigilante and to see if a witch targets him. Such information would be invaluable to us and would deter a witch from targeting Ryze.

[Veigar]

Night 1: //codecheck Veigar
FM Game Master: "Your Target's Animus appears to be highly Synchronized. They may be a Session Logger (Journalist), but may also be an Amnesiac, or Student. "

Confirm that you fall in this investigation category please.

I'm an Amnesiac.

[Veigar]

I was a Student, but I was unlucky and chose an Amnesiac so.

[Veigar]

When he/she dies, I'm going to become an Amnesiac.

[Fizz]

YOU GUYS MAKE ME SO GOD DAMN MAD.

WE NEED TO KILL SOMEBODY, ANYBODY.

2 NO-LYNCH DAYS IS PATHETIC AND UNACCEPTABLE.

RIVEN DESTROYED OUR TRAIN ON JARVAN WHO IS JUST FAKING JESTER AND YET SHE DOESN'T EVEN KEEP HER VOTE ON AL WHO SHE CALLED OUT. SHE ROLECLAIMS FOR NO REASON THEN ENDS UP VOTING RYZE WHO HER INFO DOES NOT PERTAIN TO.

WTF?

I DON'T CARE. KILL

KILL
KILL SOMEBODY
JUST BANDWAGON SOMEBODY GOD DAMMIT. WE NEED THIS INFO

[Veigar]

YOU GUYS MAKE ME SO GOD DAMN MAD.

WE NEED TO KILL SOMEBODY, ANYBODY.

2 NO-LYNCH DAYS IS PATHETIC AND UNACCEPTABLE.

RIVEN DESTROYED OUR TRAIN ON JARVAN WHO IS JUST FAKING JESTER AND YET SHE DOESN'T EVEN KEEP HER VOTE ON AL WHO SHE CALLED OUT. SHE ROLECLAIMS FOR NO REASON THEN ENDS UP VOTING RYZE WHO HER INFO DOES NOT PERTAIN TO.

WTF?

I DON'T CARE. KILL

KILL
KILL SOMEBODY
JUST BANDWAGON SOMEBODY GOD DAMMIT. WE NEED THIS INFO

I agree, we need a dead player today. A random-lynch is better then a no-lynch in the end.

We need leads, this helps.

[Veigar]

Note that I'm neutral, I don't support the Assassins or Abstergo.

Yet.

[Riven]

hurr, what am I gonna do? No one votes Alistar.
I put my vote on Udyr who was likely scum.
Udyr made a good case vs Ryze, who btw was trying to convince us fizz and Lee sins jailor was town and the other jailor was a lie.

[Fizz]

hurr, what am I gonna do? No one votes Alistar.
I put my vote on Udyr who was likely scum.
Udyr made a good case vs Ryze, who btw was trying to convince us fizz and Lee sins jailor was town and the other jailor was a lie.

YOU VOTE SOMEBODY WHO WILL NOT GET LYNCHED TODAY.

VOTE JARVAN EVEN IF YOU THINK HE'S JESTER. HE CAN SHOOT ME IDGAF.

WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CHANCE OF BEING LYNCHED?