Board Meeting Three: The Investigation Continues...

[Irelia]

Alright, i think we better reign this in before someone wanting to actually do something productive starts to whip our asses.

That sounds fun ^^ lol but if anyone wants to do something productive, all they have to do is just post something.....we're just posting here waiting for someone to start something....

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[Lee Sin]

I saw only one question directed at me and I already answered it. So meh. I'll answer it again.

@Lee Sin: Is Alistair right about your investigative results? If you were drugged last night instead of swapped the Mafia would know your role now anyway. No need to hide it anymore then.

This would be fun if you were the Disguiser, a pretty bad role for an attention whore like you. :3

I am none of the roles that Alistar claims me to be. ~14 hours ago I answered this.

[Irelia]

Damnit, I thought i got it T,T damn you trying to make me not quote you with my quotes!!!!

[Irelia]

So Lee Sin what do you think of our current situation?

[Udyr]

I'm not going to be able to finish. I've read up to the end of page 21 or post #420 by FM Game Master. I've also skimmed through the rest of posts for day 2 as fast I could.

I'm going to post my notes on people I find moderately suspicious and very suspicious so far. I didn't have any real scumtells, I just had inclinations to whom i believed to be scum. Sorry if I misled you in anyway.

I find people scummy if they discredit Irelia's jailor claim after it was proven beyond any degree of doubt. This is a main point of contention.

Katarina
Day 2 #422: Points out that Alistar claimed jailor. This could be an attempt to shift attention off of Zilean.
Day 2 #423: Suggests to Irelia that her jailor may be Lucy Stillman, lending credence to Lee Sin's jailor being town aligned.
Conclusion: We know that Irelia's jailor was LeBlanc, therefore Katarina could be a mafia member trying to frame Lee Sin's jailor in a positive light.

Ryze
Day 2 #358: Discredits Irelia's jailor claim(even though it is essentially confirmed) and defends Jarvan AND is one of the only people to defend Lee Sin's jailor.
He essentially implies that all the jailors were town, which we all know is impossible and tries to redirect attention off of Lee Sin's jailor.
Conclusion: Very likely Lucy Stillman candidate

Soraka
Day 2 #273: Useless post.
Day 2 #279: Very scummy to ask for jailor to reveal. He also seems to think Irelia is a jailor.
Day 2 #316: I really don't understand this person at all.
Conclusion: Either very, very bad or is scum.

Sona
Day 2 #204: Sounds extremely short-sighted and stupid. Votes the extremely pro-town Fiddlesticks based on no evidence.
Day 2 #371: Long-drawn post accusing Fiddlesticks based on no real evidence. He may have investigated him and found something moderately suspicious.
Conclusion: Either stupid or mafia.

Pantheon
Day 2 #35: Compliments the mafia on their kill on the revo leader.
Day 2 #41: Another scummy post that seems to appeal to the mafia by misleading town with an ignorant statement. Is also blatantly coded somehow because of random periods and the weird structuring.
Conclusion: If had to pick something, I'd pick mafia, but there's no conclusive evidence. Extremely likely to be a witch or mafia.

Jarvan IV
Mounts an aggressive defense to whomever accuses him, usually exaggerated and panicky.
Day 2 #12: Claims to be jailed by what seemed to be the Abstergo Supervisor.
Day 2 #9: Claims to have killed Morgana(The death by Serial Killer), but in a trollish fashion.
Day 2 #43: Claims to now believe his jailor is 100% town, despite previous claims that he wasn't entirely sure. What exactly led him to that change of heart?
Conveniently, he did not save logs with his jailor and always refers to the jailor as 'my jailor'.
Day 2 #45: Votes Pantheon.
Day 2 #57: Says he is trying to gain Nautilus' trust by voting whatever he does. Very scummy.
Day 2 #86: Claims citizen.
Day 2 #113: Says the witch targeted him, but his jail CAUSED nothing to happen. This hints that he has a night action and is lying to the town about his role. Being jailed is not a roleblock. VERY suspicious.
Day 2 #202: Provides undeniable proof that he was, in fact, jailed night 1.
Day 2 #203: For someone who claimed he did not save the jail chats, he seems to have a very good memory of how the first post looked like...
Day 2 #214: Sounds disappointed he was jailed? As if he wanted to do something, but he couldn't do it BECAUSE of the jail.
Conclusion: For now, he is my #1 serial killer suspect. He was jailed, but he is not a citizen.

If the formatting is displeasing to you, I'm sorry. I would make it look a lot better, but I have to quickly defend accusations against me before I must leave. I have not completely finished Day 2, as mentioned before, but this is what I have found. I trust you will use this information wisely.

Until I return, I feel that Soraka is the best lynch.

-vote Soraka

[Lee Sin]

I'm fairly sure the people you made notes on made more posts than that. They may not have been substantial but you could have mentioned that.

[Irelia]

Udyr- I verify that Jarvan was indeed jailed based off of the paraphrased PM he posted. Where his alignments are, is unknown. Since my jailor was town, his is likely Lucy (at least %50 chance)
However, I can not confirm Lee Sin being jailed. He posted his information after I verified Jarvan's.

[Fiora]

A lot of your evidence is based on people not believing Irelia's claim on day 2. Before LeBlanc died, Irelia's claim was not confirmed to be true.
Not that I disagree with a lot of your reasoning, i just thought i would point it out.

[Irelia]

A lot of your evidence is based on people not believing Irelia's claim on day 2. Before LeBlanc died, Irelia's claim was not confirmed to be true.
Not that I disagree with a lot of your reasoning, i just thought i would point it out.

He saying she doubted it after the jailor died and verified that I was jailed.

[Udyr]

I'm fairly sure the people you made notes on made more posts than that. They may not have been substantial but you could have mentioned that.

I did, but there are certain omissions I feel were necessary. I do not want to post my speculations, only the cold-hard facts. I have many theories about who could be defending who that would form a web of entanglement, but posting such outlandish theories will not be beneficial to the town. We need to work with what we know, and I tried making sure the notes I presented to you were only the cold hard facts.

Also, I only posted my notes on people I find suspicious. Posting any other notes, like Nocturne did, would only serve to help the mafia. I see no purpose in revealing who I think are town power roles. I refuse to do the mafia's work for them.

[Udyr]

A lot of your evidence is based on people not believing Irelia's claim on day 2. Before LeBlanc died, Irelia's claim was not confirmed to be true.
Not that I disagree with a lot of your reasoning, i just thought i would point it out.

Mafia would take advantage of the fact that Irelia's claim was unproven and thus would try to discredit it as early as possible. That is why I still consider it a minor scumtell.

[Ryze]

Ryze
Day 2 #358: Discredits Irelia's jailor claim(even though it is essentially confirmed) and defends Jarvan AND is one of the only people to defend Lee Sin's jailor.
He essentially implies that all the jailors were town, which we all know is impossible and tries to redirect attention off of Lee Sin's jailor.
Conclusion: Very likely Lucy Stillman candidate

Couple of questions, if you will.
1) When did I defend Lee Sin's jailor?
2) When did I imply that all the jailors are town?

[Lee Sin]

Here's my take on this jailor bullshit.

I think we only have two jailors. The one who jailed Irelia, and the one who died. The person who jailed Irelia is Lucy, because the jailor that died is confirmed town.

I believe Lee Sin and Fizz are both mafia, and are lying about having been jailed, solely to clear their names. From the beginning, Lee Sin hinted that his jailor was Lucy, with no real reasoning as to why, despite the analysis of others. Fizz then posted that he was jailed by Lucy, as an absolute, not even considering the possibility that his jailor wasn't the town jailor. In the same breath, he said that because both he and Lee Sin had been jailed by Lucy they could both be cleared, and continued to insist that despite Lee Sin acting fairly scummy, something noted by several other players. Fizz's reasoning for why his jailor was Lucy was even weaker than Lee Sin's, insisting that his jailor was guilty because he went afk for 18 hours and didn't set up a disguiser code, even though Fiddlesticks reported his jailor doing the exact same thing. Fizz's attempts to push to the town that his jailor was Lucy also seem to be getting quite desperate and forced, especially with his attempts to decipher as to why he didn't execute him when he claimed sheriff. Without even considering that his jailor isn't Lucy, he starts to point the finger at Jarvan, further bushing guilt away from himself.

tl;dr: Lee Sin and Fizz are mafia and lied about being jailed to clear their names. There were only two jailors in the game, and the remaining one is Lucy.

-vote Lee Sin

Ryze, I think this is where he got the notion that you're defending my jailer.

[Fiora]

He saying she doubted it after the jailor died and verified that I was jailed.

Er. He mentioned many people in his post... who is this "she" you speak of?
I assume you mean soraka, but his post did not mention anyone's actions day 3 (after LeBlanc died.)
I would say that the evidence on Ryze is the strongest, especially when looking at Ryze's posts today:
#345: Says that the jailor who jailed Irelia is Lucy, when we have confirmed that the jailor who jailed Irelia is LeBlanc, a town jailor. From that, he goes on to say that Lee Sin and Fizz are scum and have made up their jail claims and are assuming too much thinking that Lee Sin's jailor was town. Goes on rant about how Lucy is only jailor left, and Lee Sin's jailor seems innocent or nonexistent.
#356: Lets go on saying that Lee Sin and Fizz's jailor does not exist (at least, does not restate it) and says that Lee Sin and Fizz's jailor does not seem scummy.

-Vote Ryze

[Fiora]

Ryze, I think this is where he got the notion that you're defending my jailer.

Actually, in that post he just says that your jailor is imaginary, not innocent.
It is really in this post that he defends your jailor:

And you should stop twisting my words. I'm not suggesting that your jailor is Lucy, I'm suggesting that you and Lee Sin are trying too hard to convince us that your jailor is Lucy when the evidence isn't there.

I don't see much evidence in the transcript you posted that suggests your jailor is Lucy. At the very least, it seems your jailor acted very similarly to how Fiddlesticks' jailor acted. Recklessly accusing your own jailor of being Lucy without first seeing what the other jailor did seems very scummy to me. I would appreciate it if you could tell us exactly what is scummy in your jailor chat, rather than leaving it to our imaginations.

[Alan Rikkin]

Here it is.

Renekton is not a town. My source is with codes. I have been partnering with the Investigator in using codes this whole time. I spotted his code and let him know my code.

Renekton was checked and apparently is not town. Be on aware.

[Alan Rikkin]

Maokai is also suspicious.

[Irelia]

Oh hey there Leona. Interesting little bit of information you got there.
And by the way, I hope you guys realize we probably just put our jailor(s) on death row by claiming jailed. Now erudito just sees who visited who at night and bam, there goes the jailor the next night.

[Alan Rikkin]

On board with Udyr.

-vote Udyr

[Fiora]

Leona:
First. How would an investigator get someone to result in not town?
Every investigative pairing has at least one town result.

Second. How did you know that the investigator is town? Surely with no information on this other person, you would not just happen to find them as investigator and they would realize you are town and you know what his code is? I find it impossible that you could come up with an entire code solely in day chat without anyone noticing.

Third. You do realize that you have now almost explicitly stated who the investigator is?

Do you know the actual results this "investigator" got when investigating Renekton? How would you know that he is evil without seeing actual investigative results?

[Fizz]

So many leads, which one to pull.

I really want to pursue Caitlyn with Nocturne because she basically ran away from our interrogation last night, however I'm afraid we won't gather any votes like when we tried to vote Gangplank, and unfortunately it's already halfway through Day. The interrogation of Caitlyn should not stop, but I think we need to find a more popular candidate to lynch today.

I feel as though more people will support a lynch on Ryze and I am moderately happy with this vote. His responses to the jailor situation have been extremely odd and he's demonstrated contrary thinking at numerous times. It's almost like he'll change his beliefs regarding the jailors at a moment's notice in order to try and achieve an aim. I'm not sure what that aim is, but I feel like he's trying to manipulate something in the conversation. Most notable for me, was when I picked him up on this point:

1. He suggested that Lee Sin and I had fabricated our jailors and as such must be mafia together.

Okay, fair enough, have that view.

2. But then in the same post he asks me why I think my jailor was Lucy, and that in reading through the transcript he didn't think my jailor looked scummy.

I have trouble processing this. Does he believe my jailor exists or doesn't he? 1: "OMG NEITHER OF YOU WERE JAILED" 2: "OMG YOUR JAILOR DOESN'T LOOK SCUMMY, HE LOOKS TOWN" How can one mind have both opinions at the same time? My conclusion is that he doesn't believe either them. Therefore he's lying and trying to spread misinformation.

-unvote
-vote Ryze

[Alan Rikkin]

Leona:
First. How would an investigator get someone to result in not town?
Every investigative pairing has at least one town result.

Second. How did you know that the investigator is town? Surely with no information on this other person, you would not just happen to find them as investigator and they would realize you are town and you know what his code is? I find it impossible that you could come up with an entire code solely in day chat without anyone noticing.

Third. You do realize that you have now almost explicitly stated who the investigator is?

Do you know the actual results this "investigator" got when investigating Renekton? How would you know that he is evil without seeing actual investigative results?

Don't question me.

[Irelia]

Don't question me.

That sounds scummy.

[Lee Sin]

It sounds like the saying:

"Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies"

[Nocturne]

Goodmorning everypony.

It dawned on me when I was trying to sleep that fizz and Lee Sin having been faking a 3rd jailor the whole time.

We should interrogate them further.


The only reason I ever voted udyr and started this whole thing was because he was lurking. Now that he isn't I suggest lynching other targets.

Namely:
Lee Sin / Fizz
Caitlyn

I will post more after breakfast.

[Nocturne]

Also leona, she has always been scum and the last few posts just now prove that she is up to no good.

Udyr has posted and satisfies not being a total lurker and I'm ok with that.

I would want to pressure rammus but he won't post. If he isn't modkilled / posts soon I want him gone ASAP.

So again I want these people under interrogation for the rest of today:
Lee Sin / Fizz on their fake jailor claim
Leona being scum
Caitlyn being scum

[Lee Sin]

Question me anything you like. I'll answer the best I can. I can't answer some things (codes, what I claimed in jail [it's for scum hunting]).

Anything else, ask away!

[Lee Sin]

For one thing it wasn't fake.

[Fizz]

LOL WTF.

Please demonstrate to the rest of us poor clueless individuals how exactly we have faked being jailed.

[Irelia]

Question me anything you like. I'll answer the best I can. I can't answer some things (codes, what I claimed in jail [it's for scum hunting]).

Anything else, ask away!

Are you scum? Lying isn't allowed.

[Lee Sin]

Are you scum? Lying isn't allowed.

Did you just lie about the rules about lying?

[Fizz]

I will point out that Elixir shit his pants and instantly intervened yesterday when Lee Sin moved to copy paste jail chat.

But hey, it is normal GM policy to shit your pants when people are about to fabricate jail chats.

[Irelia]

No. It doesn't say that lying is allowed anywhere in the handbook. Stop dodging the question scum! >.

[Lee Sin]

No. It doesn't say that lying is allowed anywhere in the handbook. Stop dodging the question scum! >.

lol. No I'm not scum.

[Gangplank]

Goodmorning everypony.

It dawned on me when I was trying to sleep that fizz and Lee Sin having been faking a 3rd jailor the whole time.

We should interrogate them further.


The only reason I ever voted udyr and started this whole thing was because he was lurking. Now that he isn't I suggest lynching other targets.

Namely:
Lee Sin / Fizz
Caitlyn

I will post more after breakfast.

That makes no sense though. Faking a jail claim like that... if only two people claim jailed it's quite clear that one is lying. It seems to be a ridiculous gambit especially for the start of the second day when no suspicions have been cast.

Personally, it appears to me that the third jailee simply isn't speaking up, signaling that it was a mafia member who would find it incriminating to post his jail chats, as others have said before. I don't understand why you suddenly changed your mind about the jail situation.

I'd also like to know why Shaco seems to insist Graves is not a citizen. I know a lot of people had the same question as well, and Shaco just disappeared. I think it might be worthwhile to pressure Shaco.

I was thinking Shaco (as a possible Erudito) saw fake last wills from Grave, deduced PR, and tried to convince Graves he was a townie. Or Shaco is a lookout, upon which Shaco should claim immediately so that we can lynch Graves. Either way it's a win for town.

[Irelia]

Did you follow the rules? >:
inb4 your answer, how do I know you're not lying >.<

[Irelia]

Oh crap. I forgot about Erudito hope he didn't see my last will O.o

[Lee Sin]

Did you follow the rules? >:
inb4 your answer, how do I know you're not lying >.<

Assuming you have no night action, you have no way to know if I am lying or not.

But I did follow the rules you set up.

[Irelia]

Assuming you have no night action, you have no way to know if I am lying or not.

But I did follow the rules you set up.

That's for me to know and you to find out :3
Mhmmmmmm. How do I know that second part is not a lie as well >: I'm on to you scum!!!

[Alan Rikkin]

No, Don't question me because I know what I'm talking about.

[Nocturne]

New train of thought:
Lee Sin is actually Lucy

He fakes a 3rd jailor to make things more complicated and seem better for town.

Fizz is either his jailed target n2 or assassin.

Wouldn't surprise me. I think he used the black dot to communicate to Jarvan he was his jailor. Jarvan for some reason is keeping up the facade that goremancer jailed him (Dust could easily fake being gore).

[Irelia]

I totally called Lee Sin evile. look at my vote ^^

[Fizz]

New train of thought:
Lee Sin is actually Lucy

He fakes a 3rd jailor to make things more complicated and seem better for town.

Fizz is either his jailed target n2 or assassin.

Wouldn't surprise me. I think he used the black dot to communicate to Jarvan he was his jailor. Jarvan for some reason is keeping up the facade that goremancer jailed him (Dust could easily fake being gore).

Can you indicate in % terms what likelihood you attribute to this whacked theory?

[Lee Sin]

New train of thought:
Lee Sin is actually Lucy

He fakes a 3rd jailor to make things more complicated and seem better for town.

Fizz is either his jailed target n2 or assassin.

Wouldn't surprise me. I think he used the black dot to communicate to Jarvan he was his jailor. Jarvan for some reason is keeping up the facade that goremancer jailed him (Dust could easily fake being gore).

Lol. That black dot was my COM name claim. If I had any codes they would be much more discreet. But so far, the only codes I've used have been disguiser checks. I haven't claimed to whoever jailed me. I could do so at any time of a day thread, actually.

I've just got to say, are you drunk again?
Why in the world would Jarvan continue saying that his jailer is Goremancer if your accusation is right? (although he has been acting much like fm Suicidaln00b)

Fizz, this is an accusation, not a theory. However, unlike most accusations, his lacks a vote.

I hope you do realize that my posts saying that I always get jailer were in jest and making fun of that fact

[Lee Sin]

Why in the world would Jarvan continue saying that his jailer is Goremancer if your accusation is right? (although he has been acting much like fm Suicidaln00b)

Quoting this because it is a huge hole in your theory. If I was Lucy then jailing Jarvan and having him keep up a facade would be impossible. Since we can logically conclude that Irelia was telling the truth about her jailed claim then with your accusation, Jarvan must be in the mafia, thus my claim of being jailed is validated. However your theory is that I faked being jailed. Contradiction? I think so.

[Fizz]

Fizz, this is an accusation, not a theory. However, unlike most accusations, his lacks a vote.

Looks like both to me.

[Fizz]

Please, teach me more about how to be a jerk.

[Lee Sin]

Please, teach me more about how to be a jerk.

Who are you talking to? If you're talking to me, watch JackofSpades. He is the biggest jerk on these forums.

[Fizz]

Jack is good at this game though.

[Lee Sin]

Jack is good at this game though.

So am I.