Board Meeting Three: The Investigation Continues...

[Nocturne]

Lee Sin has claimed to be bussed twice now? Since nobody else has spoken up, either he's lying, we have a drug dealer, or the second bussee is very quiet.

When did he claim bussed day 2?

[Zilean]

When did he claim bussed day 2?

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

[Riven]

Good day guys, Dust thinks he is better than he actually is. Wasted 1,5 days on shit all, and sheep tagged along.
Also what up Zilean

[Fizz]

I for one think Erudito is a much higher priority target.

Abstergo's Most Wanted:
Erudito
Lucy Stillman
William Miles
<insert remaining mafia>

On that note, what do you think the remaining 3 mafia roles are?
Knowing that a consig is already dead I would doubt a 2nd one.

Leaves us with:

• Framer
• Disguiser
• Mafioso
• Janitor
• Consort
• Drug Dealer

I would like to hear your thoughts first

We rely on investigative roles to find Erudito specifically, but I agree the longer he's left alive the more devastating it will be for us.

In terms of roles, I suspect:

Atleast 1 drug dealer, maybe even 2x
1 disguiser

Possibly a janitor who is remaining on the sidelines but seriously doubting it. I think the kill against the jailor was made based on prior knowledge and that would definitely be my choice to clean if I had a janitor on my team.

[Fizz]

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

Oh the ice waters appear to be frozen white instead of clear.

It was I who stated he claimed bussed day 2. I do not have the specific post number, but i am reasonably sure my memory served me correct in this instance.

[Gunther]

I'm still not sure who last night's kill belonged to but it does point to an assassin. while i dont think its likely that the jailor did jail the SK I'm still not convinced. It is convenient that the SK just happened to try and kill one of the players who had the most votes - i do not necessarily trust fiddlesticks' claim of being attacked and eagerly await more information from that front. If anything I say he is the one we should pressure but for now we at least have that crumb of information and i don't want to blindly go after one person.

If you look at the descriptions for deaths, there is no mention of a desynchronization today like there was yesterday for Anson. So it's the Assassins that attacked me, not the SK. Is there any other information about my attack you'd be interested in? There's an attack missing, and I claimed being attacked at the start of the day, and no one else has claimed attacked and healed. So if you think it's a ploy then that's probably why they did it, bud.

[Nocturne]

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

Actually I claimed to be bussed day 2. I do not recall anyone else claiming such.

Good day guys, Dust thinks he is better than he actually is. Wasted 1,5 days on shit all, and sheep tagged along.
Also what up Zilean

Who's dust? Fizz claimed dust in his jail chat but after he said he trolled the whole thing I don't believe any of it was the truth. I don't know dust well enough to identify him.

We rely on investigative roles to find Erudito specifically, but I agree the longer he's left alive the more devastating it will be for us.

In terms of roles, I suspect:

Atleast 1 drug dealer, maybe even 2x
1 disguiser

Possibly a janitor who is remaining on the sidelines but seriously doubting it. I think the kill against the jailor was made based on prior knowledge and that would definitely be my choice to clean if I had a janitor on my team.

Hm.
I suspect a drug dealer, consort and mafioso.
The mafioso could be a framer.

[Graves]

I suspect a drug dealer, consort and mafioso.
The mafioso could be a framer.

I certainly believe that there could be a Consort or Drug Dealer. Now we have to figure out whether we believe the claims of being bussed - only one claim per day but Lee Sin does refute Alistar's investigative results on him. I suspect at least one drug dealer because it's an awesome role. In that regard I think the bussing may be a drug effect or Gangplank's blocking may be a drug effect.

Things to scupper that theory:

the aforementioned Lee Sin saying Alistar's investigation result was wrong - Lee Sin could be lying because he is trying to protect himself from the mafia or he is mafia himself, Alistar's result on me was solid and with the Consig dead I kinda trust him for now.

Gangplank - could easily be a Consort instead of a Drug Dealer, no one else has reported blocked and I expect at least one Consort/Escort. If he was Drug Dealer his blocked victims would probably be citizens/bodyguards/doctors because there would be no feedback messages from their night actions.


Drug Dealer might be sending out other messages but we haven't had contradictory attack messages yet and if someone has been told they were healed they're keeping it quiet probably to identify the real doctor later on

[Riven]

I think Corki was busdriven?
Either way, I doubt there is a switcher, and Lee Sin did not deny being whatever Alistar claims him to be.
So I urge Lee Sin to come out with his results for his role is found out anyway. Only way there is a switcher is that he swapped morgana with corki and thus one of the targets died and couldn't confirm.
On the contrary if there is a second swapee today, he is insta claiming his role which would probably result in putting himself in danger. So I further urge Lee Sin to confirm if Alistar's investigation was correct on him or not.
If it was not, then Alistar could still be on Erudito team and just knows that Graves didn't take an action, in this case it took him some time to make a proper claim with that info.

[Riven]

nocturne, are you detective/lookout? It might be beneficial for town to know this now because mafia already does

[Fizz]

Oh, you were the one who was bussed, my bad.

I didn't claim Dust in jail chat. I claimed Muso in jail chat.

Lee Sin appears to be Dust.

[Riven]

nvm derp.

[Nocturne]

It could be that someone who is lurking was a bus target, or simply that mafia have been bussed and they don't want to give any info out.

@riven
Yeah you remembered. I was bussed night 1 not 2.

[Riven]

if mafia did this, they make it easy to find them

[Gunther]

It could be that someone who is lurking was a bus target, or simply that mafia have been bussed and they don't want to give any info out.

@riven
Yeah you remembered. I was bussed night 1 not 2.

So wait, you and Corki were bussed night 1? I never read anything from Corki yesterday since I assumed it was all troll bs in binary.

[Riven]

No no. I think i was mistaken, but it's damn hard to check now that you can't look up people's posts

[Fizz]

I believe all 4 of us are at least partially united in thought.

We should discuss a target for today.

There are still people gunning for Al and I have never seen the reason for it.

I remain unsatisfied with Gangplank. We should bring the heat to him again.

-vote Gangplank

[Nocturne]

I tried to steer the town to lynching GP.
He has been generally scummy and Highly likely that he is Consort/drug dealer or assassins.


Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?


@fiddle
I don't remember corki ever claiming to be bussed. I read all of her code and invisible ink.
I have no idea who I was bussed with or even if I was bussed at all.

[Nocturne]

Questions for Riven:

Do you have another hypothetical situation for us today?

What is your opinion on gangplank?

[Riven]

Corki wasn't bussed. He said nothing at all happens to him, sorry to mislead you.
But why lynch GP, he blocks whoever town tells him to and he is too dumb for the mafia to kill, they will know who he is blocking anyway. Only way he is a threat is if the witch tries to use him while doing the limited ability together with some town PR's and shit.

[Riven]

Questions for Riven:

Do you have another hypothetical situation for us today?

What is your opinion on gangplank?

I think Gangplank is not a threat.

[Fizz]

Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?
.

I agree, however it's easy enough to develop a code that is untraceable by us that I doubt we should spend to much time looking for them.

Its only the overt codes that ever make us suspicious.

[Fizz]

I think Gangplank is not a threat.

Then who do you think is?

[Riven]

I think GP is town and if he isn't, he can't openly go blocking town pr's now. in case he is last mafia alive, he will have to perform killings and we will notice the missing block.

[Fizz]

I think GP is town and if he isn't, he can't openly go blocking town pr's now. in case he is last mafia alive, he will have to perform killings and we will notice the missing block.

Did you notice the post he made yesterday just before day closed where he was like:

You know what, I'm going to just block whoever I want.

Zilean ended up blocked as he earlier stated he would, however that doesn't change what he said at the end of the day.

I'm going to point out that it's entirely possible Gangplank is not the one doing the blocking.

Either way, I am happy for us to try and enact some measure of control over him if there is a better lynch candidate. But we need to come up with one, or the truth is derps/mafia will come up with a townie for us to lynch instead.

[Nocturne]

Question for Zilean:

Why did you reveal being RBed so early?
Had it been me I would keep my cards on me and ask GP who he blocked before anyone claimed anything.

[Nocturne]

It wouldn't have mattered much but keeping some information to yourself when it doesn't need to be said limits the amount of info assassin have to work with and makes false claims harder.

[Caitlyn]

Just read through day chat and now I have to re-do my my notes..

I saw this:

I for one think Erudito is a much higher priority target.

Abstergo's Most Wanted:
Erudito
Lucy Stillman
William Miles
<insert remaining mafia>

On that note, what do you think the remaining 3 mafia roles are?
Knowing that a consig is already dead I would doubt a 2nd one.

Leaves us with:

• Framer
• Disguiser
• Mafioso
• Janitor
• Consort
• Drug Dealer

I would like to hear your thoughts first

I think the Mafia has a Disguiser, a Framer and a consort.
Most GMs don't repeat roles...

[Caitlyn]

Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?

I believe so.
The Mafia has been known to use plans to convey information...
However, they tend to use this tactic with a Consiglere so...
No codes, I guess?

[Fizz]

Just read through day chat and now I have to re-do my my notes..

I saw this:



I think the Mafia has a Disguiser, a Framer and a consort.
Most GMs don't repeat roles...

Oh hello.

So only one person continues to claim to have been blocked yet you suggest there is a consort. Therefore one should assume that you believe the person doing the blocking is Gangplank, yet you have never cast any suspicion toward him. Why is this?

[Gunther]

I believe so.
The Mafia has been known to use plans to convey information...
However, they tend to use this tactic with a Consiglere so...
No codes, I guess?

Assuming that there is no consig because of metagame knowledge is a mistake. See FMX for details.

[Caitlyn]

Oh hello.

So only one person continues to claim to have been blocked yet you suggest there is a consort. Therefore one should assume that you believe the person doing the blocking is Gangplank, yet you have never cast any suspicion toward him. Why is this?

What??
Are you sure you're accusing the right person?
I didn't claim blocked you know..

[Nocturne]

Caitlyn:
What is your reaction to my comments about you?
Do you deny that you haven't been contributing much?
Why did you feel the need to vote 2 different people in one post?

[Gunther]

What??
Are you sure you're accusing the right person?
I didn't claim blocked you know..

He's saying that if you believe there is a consort, why don't you think Gangplank is the consort since only one person has claimed blocked each day (meaning it would have to be the consort you believe to exist).

[Riven]

I'd like to see the witched claims, I don't recall there was one yesterday was there? We need to announce that shit because that way we could somewhat keep track of when she "ulties"

[Gunther]

I'd like to see the witched claims, I don't recall there was one yesterday was there? We need to announce that shit because that way we could somewhat keep track of when she "ulties"

Jarvan claimed witched yesterday, and then went on to say that it didn't do anything because he was in jail. That's what I found so suspicious of a "citizen" to say. And I still do, for that matter.

[Riven]

You make a good point, Consort seems almost like a must have for a mafia team, and there has been only 1 block all this time. However my suspicion of Alistar now rises in light of his claim, I'd like Lee Sin to answer my question to procceed with voting him or not.

[Fizz]

Jarvan claimed witched yesterday, and then went on to say that it didn't do anything because he was in jail. That's what I found so suspicious of a "citizen" to say. And I still do, for that matter.

I'd be happy to start looking back at him, actually. With the confirmation that he was actually jailed and told the truth about that side of his story, I'm less inclined to believe he's a jester.

Secondly, I claimed Sheriff to Lucy and hinted that I was about to reveal one of their members yet I was released without incident. I don't know what role the mafia are saving that execution for but I would have thought Sheriff would be high on the list. In my chat to the jailor I stated I had received a not suspicious result on Jarvan. If they knew this to be false, it would be one explanation as to why they didn't believe my claim and why they didn't execute me. They would know I was lying to them if Jarvan is mafia.

Also, where did Caitlyn go? Still waiting for her reply. She was only here for like 5 minutes.

[Caitlyn]

I'd be happy to start looking back at him, actually. With the confirmation that he was actually jailed and told the truth about that side of his story, I'm less inclined to believe he's a jester.

Secondly, I claimed Sheriff to Lucy and hinted that I was about to reveal one of their members yet I was released without incident. I don't know what role the mafia are saving that execution for but I would have thought Sheriff would be high on the list. In my chat to the jailor I stated I had received a not suspicious result on Jarvan. If they knew this to be false, it would be one explanation as to why they didn't believe my claim and why they didn't execute me. They would know I was lying to them if Jarvan is mafia.

Also, where did Caitlyn go? Still waiting for her reply. She was only here for like 5 minutes.

I will assume you mean the previous post.

Gp was on my scum list, but I'm waiting for Zilean to announce he was blocked (or not) ...

[Nocturne]

Waiting for other people is a bad idea.
Zilean said early in the day that he was blocked.

Please answer all of the questions that have been posed to you. Don't think you can get away with avoiding them.
By avoiding questions you get higher on peoples scum lists and we vote you gone.

As it stands right now you are #3 on my list. Not very good is it?

[Fizz]

I will assume you mean the previous post.

Gp was on my scum list, but I'm waiting for Zilean to announce he was blocked (or not) ...

Zilean has already stated he was blocked.

When did you decide that there must be a consort on the team? Did you decide since yesterday? What changed your mind? If you believed it yesterday why did you not vote for Gangplank then when by your very own suspicions he had to be the consort?

[Zilean]

I will assume you mean the previous post.

Gp was on my scum list, but I'm waiting for Zilean to announce he was blocked (or not) ...

Read page one please.

[Nocturne]

So now everyone can see why I had caitlyn on my scum list day 2.

[Caitlyn]

Zilean has already stated he was blocked.

When did you decide that there must be a consort on the team? Did you decide since yesterday? What changed your mind? If you believed it yesterday why did you not vote for Gangplank then when by your very own suspicions he had to be the consort?

Other people was higher on my scum list (like Lee Sin and Riven) and GM didn't allow multi-votes

[Fizz]

Other people was higher on my scum list (like Lee Sin and Riven) and GM didn't allow multi-votes

How can other people be higher on your list, when you believe there must be a consort in the game and the only person doing any blocking is Gangplank?

[Riven]

lol way to go I believe Lee Sin is pretty clear of being mafia now seeing how he got jailed by lucy.

[Caitlyn]

How can other people be higher on your list, when you believe there must be a consort in the game and the only person doing any blocking is Gangplank?

Remember, there was still the possibility of an Escort
Also, there was also the possibility that there was no Consort....

Argh, I hate probabilities!

[Fizz]

Just read through day chat and now I have to re-do my my notes..

I saw this:



I think the Mafia has a Disguiser, a Framer and a consort.

.....

[Lee Sin]

Fizz's question about Alistar. I think Alistar is mafia. His reaction to my pressure was...scummy. I did say that I was bus driven before he claimed. And I also think it scummy that he choose to check his accuser (although, I was accusing him yesterday).

And his investigation result was incorrect about me anyway. The only other way he could be telling the truth is if I really was bus driven, not drugged. I may have been framed, but if I was drugged then I find that unlikely because IMO the mafia wouldn't put two of their members to use an action on one guy. I could be wrong in my opinion but it's what I think.

I'm Dust the Astute. If you cannot read,

It's one of my less-known names. Much like Dust the Beaner.

I suggest you use, Dust the Classy Mofo.

Then I pity you

I have planted a bug in her animus. I am claiming vigilante. No one armed me last night. If they tried to, I was bus driven so... it went to the wrong person.

Here's your quote.

Uh huh. I said it after you claimed?

Follow the quote's link to see the first quote being quoted so that you can see I did it twice.

Also why is everyone reffering to Alistar as 'she' and 'her'?
Did I miss a com claim? because Alistar (the LoL character) is male. Lee Sin has been calling Alistar female since early day 2 and now Jarvan IV is.

oh. Alistar just struck me as a female name. I'm not a LoL player so I wouldn't know.

[Fizz]

Fizz's question about Alistar. I think Alistar is mafia. His reaction to my pressure was...scummy.

On the contrary, I think his reactions were highly pro-town.