Board Meeting Three: The Investigation Continues...

[Zilean]

Whoops, forgot to -unvote Alistar.I'll -vote Udyr instead, let's see if he will talk at all.

[Fizz]

So let's discuss Euro stuff.

What shall we discuss?

[Pantheon]

>>implyiung that everyone goes to bed at exactly midnight in their timezone no matter what

fizz is cool.

[Zilean]

>>implyiung that everyone goes to bed at exactly midnight in their timezone no matter what

fizz is cool.

>greentexting with two greater than signs
>implying nobody gets on in the afternoon

LET'S DISCUSS ASIA THINGS

[Fizz]

Let's discuss a player, preferably somebody you find suspicious and let's see what our cumulative mental powers can find on them.

Suggest somebody, anybody.

[Fizz]

Nocturne clearly skipped some important points of day 3 a little too quickly

[Nocturne]

I have notes on everyone that posted today but some I am holding back for various reasons.
I'm not going to give you everything!

And a lot of people still haven't posted today.

[Nocturne]

If things have been discussed enough for my interest then I haven't brought them up again.


One thing that I forgot to mention is about Lee Sin.
I want him to explain to us exactly what his black dot from post #607 on day 2 means and why Jarvan IV seemed to recognize this as code. I have a good guess but based on how he has played today so far I am starting to doubt it.

[Graves]

One thing that I forgot to mention is about Lee Sin.
I want him to explain to us exactly what his black dot from post #607 on day 2 means and why Jarvan IV seemed to recognize this as code. I have a good guess but based on how he has played today so far I am starting to doubt it.

eagerly awaiting a response to this

[Graves]

When Alistar labelled me as a Citizen yesterday I suspected something. Even though Lee Sin was bussed last night Alistar was not afraid to call his bluff which leads me to believe he did indeed possess those investigative results.

So i'm fairly confident that Alistar is either the Investigator or part of the Mafia.. there was plenty of time for the real Consigliere to plant a code in day chat giving their results to Alistar so he doesn't even need to be the Consigliere himself. *EDIT* I had forgotten that Morgana the Consig had already died and I doubt there is another consig all hail Alistar!

either way it's a bit of bad news for me since the Mafia know one way or another that I'm a Citizen. On the up side though we have an extra roleclaim and if Lee Sin is to be trusted we can find out who the real invest result belonged to at some later point in the game.

I'm still not sure who last night's kill belonged to but it does point to an assassin. while i dont think its likely that the jailor did jail the SK I'm still not convinced. It is convenient that the SK just happened to try and kill one of the players who had the most votes - i do not necessarily trust fiddlesticks' claim of being attacked and eagerly await more information from that front. If anything I say he is the one we should pressure but for now we at least have that crumb of information and i don't want to blindly go after one person.

By the way at the beginning of day 2 i did post my reasons why i think that the only confirmed neutral killer at the moment is the Serial Killer - Morgana was killed by the neutral killer. There is a 95% chance the Consigi would have visited someone at night either to kill or to investigate. Morgana was found dead in her own animus indicating that the kill happened before or after her visit. The Spree Killer does not kill his victim if they are away at night and Morgana would have been killed elsewhere if there was a spree killer/veteran/bodyguard. It's not concrete but i think that's a 85% chance that we have a Serial Killer out there.

[Gunther]

I'm still not sure who last night's kill belonged to but it does point to an assassin. while i dont think its likely that the jailor did jail the SK I'm still not convinced. It is convenient that the SK just happened to try and kill one of the players who had the most votes - i do not necessarily trust fiddlesticks' claim of being attacked and eagerly await more information from that front. If anything I say he is the one we should pressure but for now we at least have that crumb of information and i don't want to blindly go after one person.

If you look at the descriptions for deaths, there is no mention of a desynchronization today like there was yesterday for Anson. So it's the Assassins that attacked me, not the SK. Is there any other information about my attack you'd be interested in? There's an attack missing, and I claimed being attacked at the start of the day, and no one else has claimed attacked and healed. So if you think it's a ploy then that's probably why they did it, bud.

[Shaco]

Might as well appeal to the mass will now that I have a reason to. I am the animus programmer aka investigator. I checked Lee Sin last night because his ruthless attempt to bandwagon me lead to me being suspicious of him. He came back as Lookout/Detective or Framer/Disguiser/Ghost. He is very dangerous. I think we should inact a lynch all liars policy and get him!

When Alistar labelled me as a Citizen yesterday I suspected something. Even though Lee Sin was bussed last night Alistar was not afraid to call his bluff which leads me to believe he did indeed possess those investigative results.

So i'm fairly confident that Alistar is either the Investigator or part of the Mafia.. there was plenty of time for the real Consigliere to plant a code in day chat giving their results to Alistar so he doesn't even need to be the Consigliere himself. *EDIT* I had forgotten that Morgana the Consig had already died and I doubt there is another consig all hail Alistar!

either way it's a bit of bad news for me since the Mafia know one way or another that I'm a Citizen. On the up side though we have an extra roleclaim and if Lee Sin is to be trusted we can find out who the real invest result belonged to at some later point in the game.

I'm still not sure who last night's kill belonged to but it does point to an assassin. while i dont think its likely that the jailor did jail the SK I'm still not convinced. It is convenient that the SK just happened to try and kill one of the players who had the most votes - i do not necessarily trust fiddlesticks' claim of being attacked and eagerly await more information from that front. If anything I say he is the one we should pressure but for now we at least have that crumb of information and i don't want to blindly go after one person.

By the way at the beginning of day 2 i did post my reasons why i think that the only confirmed neutral killer at the moment is the Serial Killer - Morgana was killed by the neutral killer. There is a 95% chance the Consigi would have visited someone at night either to kill or to investigate. Morgana was found dead in her own animus indicating that the kill happened before or after her visit. The Spree Killer does not kill his victim if they are away at night and Morgana would have been killed elsewhere if there was a spree killer/veteran/bodyguard. It's not concrete but i think that's a 85% chance that we have a Serial Killer out there.

Shaco knows that Graves is not a citizen. Shaco asks, is it scummier for one to lie about another's role, or to accept the lies of another as truth?

[Irelia]

Shaco knows that Graves is not a citizen. Shaco asks, is it scummier for one to lie about another's role, or to accept the lies of another as truth?

Oh really Shaco? What do you know?

[Shaco]

Oh really Shaco? What do you know?

Shaco knows Graves is not citizen. Shaco does not know if that makes him scum, Alistar scum, or both scum.

[Riven]

Shaco knows Graves is not citizen. Shaco does not know if that makes him scum, Alistar scum, or both scum.

Since you already claim a power role, might aswell tell us the whole story

[Fizz]

Lee Sin did post that he was bussed before Al claimed and he did later quote himself to show it. That doesn't mean he actually was bused though. I'm still suspicious as to why only 1 person continues to claim being bussed when it takes 2. Either he's being drugged, he's lying about the whole thing, or the 2nd person's keeping quiet.

As for why I revealed the jailor's code. I said in one of my first posts that I was jailed by Lucy. Everything I said to her was rubbish.

[Nocturne]

Lee Sin did post that he was bussed before Al claimed and he did later quote himself to show it. That doesn't mean he actually was bused though. I'm still suspicious as to why only 1 person continues to claim being bussed when it takes 2. Either he's being drugged, he's lying about the whole thing, or the 2nd person's keeping quiet.

As for why I revealed the jailor's code. I said in one of my first posts that I was jailed by Lucy. Everything I said to her was rubbish.

Hm I have been derping hard then.
Let me go re-read everything!

Ignore my questions for now

[Nocturne]

So Fizz while you are here let's talk.

First about you:
Why did you leave that code in the jail chat?
Because you didn't claim sooner and haven't talked about your results is it correct to assume you received a NS result on your target?
Are you going to reveal your N2 target or keep that for yourself in case he is GF?

Who's jailor do you think is the most likely to be Lucy (from day 1)?

[Nocturne]

Ok I re-read my notes. Yeah I derped. Twice. Lee Sin did claim to be bussed before Alistar claimed, and you did say that your jailor was Lucy.

So new question:
Did you ever consider trying to get lucy to use that code and claim so you could trap her?

[Fizz]

Ok I re-read my notes. Yeah I derped. Twice. Lee Sin did claim to be bussed before Alistar claimed, and you did say that your jailor was Lucy.

So new question:
Did you ever consider trying to get lucy to use that code and claim so you could trap her?

It's funny the obvious things that you never think of sometimes (you being me).

No, I never even considered that. I had another plan for that jailor but it never worked out. There was little I could achieve because they were pretty much online for 1 hr out of 24. I don't think I ever believed that they would ever reveal themselves to me in daychat and saw the code more as them trying to sell themselves. I also think I thought and still do believe that we will catch them long before they would ever have done that.

[Nocturne]

I for one think Erudito is a much higher priority target.

Abstergo's Most Wanted:
Erudito
Lucy Stillman
William Miles
<insert remaining mafia>

On that note, what do you think the remaining 3 mafia roles are?
Knowing that a consig is already dead I would doubt a 2nd one.

Leaves us with:

• Framer
• Disguiser
• Mafioso
• Janitor
• Consort
• Drug Dealer

I would like to hear your thoughts first

[Fizz]

I for one think Erudito is a much higher priority target.

Abstergo's Most Wanted:
Erudito
Lucy Stillman
William Miles
<insert remaining mafia>

On that note, what do you think the remaining 3 mafia roles are?
Knowing that a consig is already dead I would doubt a 2nd one.

Leaves us with:

• Framer
• Disguiser
• Mafioso
• Janitor
• Consort
• Drug Dealer

I would like to hear your thoughts first

We rely on investigative roles to find Erudito specifically, but I agree the longer he's left alive the more devastating it will be for us.

In terms of roles, I suspect:

Atleast 1 drug dealer, maybe even 2x
1 disguiser

Possibly a janitor who is remaining on the sidelines but seriously doubting it. I think the kill against the jailor was made based on prior knowledge and that would definitely be my choice to clean if I had a janitor on my team.

[Zilean]

Lee Sin has claimed to be bussed twice now? Since nobody else has spoken up, either he's lying, we have a drug dealer, or the second bussee is very quiet.

[Nocturne]

Lee Sin has claimed to be bussed twice now? Since nobody else has spoken up, either he's lying, we have a drug dealer, or the second bussee is very quiet.

When did he claim bussed day 2?

[Zilean]

When did he claim bussed day 2?

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

[Fizz]

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

Oh the ice waters appear to be frozen white instead of clear.

It was I who stated he claimed bussed day 2. I do not have the specific post number, but i am reasonably sure my memory served me correct in this instance.

[Nocturne]

Fuck, I might have derped there. I remember someone claiming to be bussed day 2, though, and only one person.

CURSE THOSE ICE WATERS AND THEIR TREACHERY

Actually I claimed to be bussed day 2. I do not recall anyone else claiming such.

Good day guys, Dust thinks he is better than he actually is. Wasted 1,5 days on shit all, and sheep tagged along.
Also what up Zilean

Who's dust? Fizz claimed dust in his jail chat but after he said he trolled the whole thing I don't believe any of it was the truth. I don't know dust well enough to identify him.

We rely on investigative roles to find Erudito specifically, but I agree the longer he's left alive the more devastating it will be for us.

In terms of roles, I suspect:

Atleast 1 drug dealer, maybe even 2x
1 disguiser

Possibly a janitor who is remaining on the sidelines but seriously doubting it. I think the kill against the jailor was made based on prior knowledge and that would definitely be my choice to clean if I had a janitor on my team.

Hm.
I suspect a drug dealer, consort and mafioso.
The mafioso could be a framer.

[Graves]

I suspect a drug dealer, consort and mafioso.
The mafioso could be a framer.

I certainly believe that there could be a Consort or Drug Dealer. Now we have to figure out whether we believe the claims of being bussed - only one claim per day but Lee Sin does refute Alistar's investigative results on him. I suspect at least one drug dealer because it's an awesome role. In that regard I think the bussing may be a drug effect or Gangplank's blocking may be a drug effect.

Things to scupper that theory:

the aforementioned Lee Sin saying Alistar's investigation result was wrong - Lee Sin could be lying because he is trying to protect himself from the mafia or he is mafia himself, Alistar's result on me was solid and with the Consig dead I kinda trust him for now.

Gangplank - could easily be a Consort instead of a Drug Dealer, no one else has reported blocked and I expect at least one Consort/Escort. If he was Drug Dealer his blocked victims would probably be citizens/bodyguards/doctors because there would be no feedback messages from their night actions.


Drug Dealer might be sending out other messages but we haven't had contradictory attack messages yet and if someone has been told they were healed they're keeping it quiet probably to identify the real doctor later on

[Riven]

Good day guys, Dust thinks he is better than he actually is. Wasted 1,5 days on shit all, and sheep tagged along.
Also what up Zilean

[Riven]

I think Corki was busdriven?
Either way, I doubt there is a switcher, and Lee Sin did not deny being whatever Alistar claims him to be.
So I urge Lee Sin to come out with his results for his role is found out anyway. Only way there is a switcher is that he swapped morgana with corki and thus one of the targets died and couldn't confirm.
On the contrary if there is a second swapee today, he is insta claiming his role which would probably result in putting himself in danger. So I further urge Lee Sin to confirm if Alistar's investigation was correct on him or not.
If it was not, then Alistar could still be on Erudito team and just knows that Graves didn't take an action, in this case it took him some time to make a proper claim with that info.

[Corki]

I think Corki was busdriven?
Either way, I doubt there is a switcher, and Lee Sin did not deny being whatever Alistar claims him to be.
So I urge Lee Sin to come out with his results for his role is found out anyway. Only way there is a switcher is that he swapped morgana with corki and thus one of the targets died and couldn't confirm.
On the contrary if there is a second swapee today, he is insta claiming his role which would probably result in putting himself in danger. So I further urge Lee Sin to confirm if Alistar's investigation was correct on him or not.
If it was not, then Alistar could still be on Erudito team and just knows that Graves didn't take an action, in this case it took him some time to make a proper claim with that info.

I was reading along until that question came up. No, I never claimed bussed. I'll continue reading now.

[Riven]

nocturne, are you detective/lookout? It might be beneficial for town to know this now because mafia already does

[Fizz]

Oh, you were the one who was bussed, my bad.

I didn't claim Dust in jail chat. I claimed Muso in jail chat.

Lee Sin appears to be Dust.

[Riven]

nvm derp.

[Nocturne]

It could be that someone who is lurking was a bus target, or simply that mafia have been bussed and they don't want to give any info out.

@riven
Yeah you remembered. I was bussed night 1 not 2.

[Gunther]

It could be that someone who is lurking was a bus target, or simply that mafia have been bussed and they don't want to give any info out.

@riven
Yeah you remembered. I was bussed night 1 not 2.

So wait, you and Corki were bussed night 1? I never read anything from Corki yesterday since I assumed it was all troll bs in binary.

[Riven]

if mafia did this, they make it easy to find them

[Riven]

No no. I think i was mistaken, but it's damn hard to check now that you can't look up people's posts

[Fizz]

I believe all 4 of us are at least partially united in thought.

We should discuss a target for today.

There are still people gunning for Al and I have never seen the reason for it.

I remain unsatisfied with Gangplank. We should bring the heat to him again.

-vote Gangplank

[Nocturne]

I tried to steer the town to lynching GP.
He has been generally scummy and Highly likely that he is Consort/drug dealer or assassins.


Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?


@fiddle
I don't remember corki ever claiming to be bussed. I read all of her code and invisible ink.
I have no idea who I was bussed with or even if I was bussed at all.

[Fizz]

Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?
.

I agree, however it's easy enough to develop a code that is untraceable by us that I doubt we should spend to much time looking for them.

Its only the overt codes that ever make us suspicious.

[Caitlyn]

Here's another question:
Do you guys think the assassins are using code to convey all of their results to other assassins?

I believe so.
The Mafia has been known to use plans to convey information...
However, they tend to use this tactic with a Consiglere so...
No codes, I guess?

[Gunther]

I believe so.
The Mafia has been known to use plans to convey information...
However, they tend to use this tactic with a Consiglere so...
No codes, I guess?

Assuming that there is no consig because of metagame knowledge is a mistake. See FMX for details.

[Nocturne]

Questions for Riven:

Do you have another hypothetical situation for us today?

What is your opinion on gangplank?

[Riven]

Questions for Riven:

Do you have another hypothetical situation for us today?

What is your opinion on gangplank?

I think Gangplank is not a threat.

[Fizz]

I think Gangplank is not a threat.

Then who do you think is?

[Riven]

Corki wasn't bussed. He said nothing at all happens to him, sorry to mislead you.
But why lynch GP, he blocks whoever town tells him to and he is too dumb for the mafia to kill, they will know who he is blocking anyway. Only way he is a threat is if the witch tries to use him while doing the limited ability together with some town PR's and shit.

[Riven]

I think GP is town and if he isn't, he can't openly go blocking town pr's now. in case he is last mafia alive, he will have to perform killings and we will notice the missing block.

[Fizz]

I think GP is town and if he isn't, he can't openly go blocking town pr's now. in case he is last mafia alive, he will have to perform killings and we will notice the missing block.

Did you notice the post he made yesterday just before day closed where he was like:

You know what, I'm going to just block whoever I want.

Zilean ended up blocked as he earlier stated he would, however that doesn't change what he said at the end of the day.

I'm going to point out that it's entirely possible Gangplank is not the one doing the blocking.

Either way, I am happy for us to try and enact some measure of control over him if there is a better lynch candidate. But we need to come up with one, or the truth is derps/mafia will come up with a townie for us to lynch instead.

[Nocturne]

Question for Zilean:

Why did you reveal being RBed so early?
Had it been me I would keep my cards on me and ask GP who he blocked before anyone claimed anything.