Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face

[Forum Mafia GM]

Direct quotes are a no.

Saying what they said is permissable... after all you could be lying.

[Fizz]

Direct quotes are a no.

Saying what the said is a permissable... after all you could be lying.

This is not in the rules...

[Nautilus]

Fiora should also be pressured.

[Jarvan IV]

Nope. I do remember enough to know that everything happened with CoD in the background.

Maybe I shouldn't have laced the drinks with cannabis, heroin, cocaine, Horny Goat Weed, and ******.
Worth it though.

*serious face on*

Lux and I retired early, to the same room...

Veigar, are you Escort?

How about you, Lux?

[Kennen]

What's up with the secret messages? Is there something hidden in that whitespace, Pantheon?

Anyways, Lee and Jarvan should try to give as much information as they can without breaking the rules. If you can't quote, try the next best thing, paraphrasing.

[Forum Mafia GM]

This is not in the rules...

Argue with me all you like. I'm maintaining balance.

Suicide is an option.

[Jarvan IV]

Hooray! Tonight, good has made a stand. Evil has been smote by truth and justice! The rest of the evil ones should just give up now and repent for their sins.
Wow. Looks like this game is going to go the same way as FMX with the evils killing each other. This time we will know about it though.
In other news, the party went well last night! I think Huey got a little sick though... I tried to clean him up last night. He still isn't feeling well, and probably will not make an appearance in this meeting today.
I'm a bit surprised that no shady characters showed up. Good to know that all these partygoers are in good faith and just want to have a good time !
Blazer, you really don't know who I am? Think, who would be upset at you for something you did lately?

Four things said during the Board Discussions, and one of the few things you say has hidden meanings to it.

Fiora should also be pressured.

I'll vote for what you vote for. Fiora or Pantheon? In my opinion, the things Pantheon has been saying seem to be attempting to hide the fact Erudito is still at large. Hell, HE may be Erudito trying to hide himself, or Lucy stroking his own cock in decadence.

[Lee Sin]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

[Veigar]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

[Nautilus]

you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?

Are you Capatalier? This is important in my analysis of you.

[Caitlyn]

I believe I have found Sumikoko...

[Lee Sin]

I forgot to mention that I claimed citizen wifom shit in there

[Pantheon]

What's up with the secret messages? Is there something hidden in that whitespace, Pantheon?

why don't you just go and check for yourself

the answer is the same answer to the following question:

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?

[Veigar]

Nope. I do remember enough to know that everything happened with CoD in the background.

Maybe I shouldn't have laced the drinks with cannabis, heroin, cocaine, Horny Goat Weed, and ******.
Worth it though.

*serious face on*

Don't worry, it was a great night. But it's time we get back to business.

Dr. Vidic might not be pleased with our "performance." :3

[Fizz]

Argue with me all you like. I'm maintaining balance.

Suicide is an option.

I'm not arguing with you.

I am simply pointing out the rules listed in the Handbook indicating how we are to play the game and how they differ with rules that have been made up since.

[Karthus]

Teach.
rule.
Zombies.
1.
Ring.

[Jarvan IV]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

Who the fuck would logically troll when there are people SEARCHING for scum the second day after Anson Peake and an Assassin are dead. Trolling after Day 1 is begging for a contract termination.

[Jarvan IV]

Teach.
rule.
Zombies.
1.
Ring.

Care to elaborate?

[Kennen]

You guys know what's strange? You're already voting out Pantheon when he could be trolling.

You look at me and tell me if there was ever a FM here without trolling. It's Day 2, early in the game, essential for us to gather information against the Assassins. But we're just sitting here voting off and devoting our time to some dude that made a short post about him praising the efforts of whom we are all out to kill. Hes trolling, it's just too obvious for somebody to do something like that. The only person who would do something so retarded is Archangel, and hes not even playing. (Yet, I fear all contract terminations.)

Trolling can sometimes be a scum cop-out, but I don't find anything particularly offensive from Pantheon yet. I also do not see much reason to pressure a buffoon yet, when the jailor discussion seems more fruitful.

[Caitlyn]

Who the fuck would logically troll when there are people SEARCHING for scum the second day after Anson Peake and an Assassin are dead. Trolling after Day 1 is begging for a contract termination.

A Jester, I guess?

[Veigar]

Trolling can sometimes be a scum cop-out, but I don't find anything particularly offensive from Pantheon yet. I also do not see much reason to pressure a buffoon yet, when the jailor discussion seems more fruitful.

That's exactly what I'm trying to get through.

We should probe a potential resource instead of pressuring somebody who said something that most likely isn't true.

[Lee Sin]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.

[Nautilus]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

If I was the jailor I would also be surprised that you claimed PR, almost without any fear of you being jailed by Lucy instead. Pressuring you with kill orders is usual jailor practice and so is staying quiet while he waits for you to slip up. I believe you could have been jailed by the animus supervisor but Jarvan IV should also post what his jailor said.

[Kennen]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?

[Veigar]

My jailer seems to be an EST player. Online at those times that those players are normally.

That doesn't particularly nail it down to anybody, but that's a good observation.

[Jarvan IV]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

What role did you claim? And why are you so openly revealing this when the jailor (Lucy?) could easily jail you again and execute you for lying?

[Veigar]

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?

Kennen just admitted hes not an EST player. =P

[Fizz]

Since I cannot post the exact transcripts (even though they can be faked), I will give my best impression of the jailor.

The jailer asked for my Forum name and FM role. I gave my name and said I was a town PR.

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

Then the jailer sent the order to kill me.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

The jailer didn't listen.

I gave many more arguments to keep me alive. Arguments for each possible alignment.
That failed. I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

I claimed a role that I am not.

Jailer believed me and sent the order to not kill me.

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.

[Nautilus]

Would you be able to give general post times, in terms of GMT?

I wouldn't be so quick to do that unless we are sure Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy.

[Lee Sin]

What role did you claim? And why are you so openly revealing this when the jailor (Lucy?) could easily jail you again and execute you for lying?

I'm not telling the role I claimed. I did it as a scum hunting exercise. You'll see how it works later on.

Because I am a player who isn't selfish and I actually let the town know shit

[Jarvan IV]

If I was the jailor I would also be surprised that you claimed PR, almost without any fear of you being jailed by Lucy instead. Pressuring you with kill orders is usual jailor practice and so is staying quiet while he waits for you to slip up. I believe you could have been jailed by the animus supervisor but Jarvan IV should also post what his jailor said.

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

[Fizz]

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.

Jarvan can you supply us with the similar information.

[Lee Sin]

I would like to find out some things from you, Lee Sin.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.

1. it was a 24 hour period where I was thinking I was dead

2. "as the town jailor" was all that was referred to.

3. I won't say for another reason.

4. Longish posts 9 posts in total including the first one. There was one post where he corrects a verb syntax error.

5. American, on at around EST times.

[Kennen]

I wouldn't be so quick to do that unless we are sure Lee Sin was jailed by Lucy.

Good point, I think we'll need a little more from Jarvan IV, though he seems pretty convinced in his jailor's authenticity.
Apparently, the converse is true for Lee Sin.

Also, I will not confirm or deny speculation about my time zone.

[Fizz]

Can you please give an example of a similar verb syntax error to the one he made?

[Jarvan IV]

Jarvan can you supply us with the similar information.

Sure.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.
Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?
He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailors jailing you counts as a roleblock"

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?
See 1. Citizen.

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?
He and I accumulated roughly two to three pages, I think I posted maybe three or four more times than he did due to lack of editing.

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.
American spellings. He and I both posted around the same time, he would post when I was in school, so I've come to assume he is;
1. Someone not in school, however late nights he wouldn't post, so he likely has a job he has computer access at, or a life.
2. typing like this shows he is typing almost like he would type capitalized his letters. no matter what, he would place appropriate commas and periods.
3. All spellings were American. A few times I would spell like "favourite", and switch between "favorite". He was resilient with typing like an American.

[Kennen]

[QUOTE=Jarvan IV;101961When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. .[/QUOTE]

I don't necessarily agree with this point, though maybe I'm a bit paranoid from other FMs.

[Lee Sin]

Can you please give an example of a similar verb syntax error to the one he made?

"I wouldn't feel bad about spitting on you had you said "so saliva"" was corrected to something like "I would feel bad about spitting on you had you said "so saliva""

[Jarvan IV]

Sure.

1. Can we have the time period between when the jailer changed his mind from "it being understandable" to you "being scummy". A longer period might indicate consultation with fellow mafias and an agreement to proceed differently with the interrogation.
Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

2. Did the jailer at any time refer to himself as jailer/jailor/Jailor/ the Jailor? When he did, how did he do it?
He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailers jailing you counts as a roleblock"

3. What role did you claim that satisfied him?
See 1. Citizen.

4. How many posts did he make in total and did he tend to consolidate his thoughts before posting, or post more frequent short posts?
He and I accumulated roughly two to three pages, I think I posted maybe three or four more times than he did due to lack of editing.

5. Did you note anything about his style? Caps, grammar, abbreviations, european vs american spellings, etc.
American spellings. He and I both posted around the same time, he would post when I was in school, so I've come to assume he is;
1. Someone not in school, however late nights he wouldn't post, so he likely has a job he has computer access at, or a life.
2. typing like this shows he is typing almost like he would type capitalized his letters. no matter what, he would place appropriate commas and periods.
3. All spellings were American. A few times I would spell like "favourite", and switch between "favorite". He was resilient with typing like an American.
He would type short and sweet posts.

Sorry. Minor error.

[Lee Sin]

No* saliva

[Orianna]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probably timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

[Karthus]

It seems the "good" jailor was trying to appear friendly to coax information out of you...

[Jarvan IV]

I don't necessarily agree with this point, though maybe I'm a bit paranoid from other FMs.

If he were Lucy, he would be less hesitant to reveal his true identity because he would look a tad guilty. Reading over what I said, I do agree this doesn't guarantee his identity, but it doesn't seem scummy.

[Nautilus]

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

I'm finding it hard to see why town would reveal their COM name to you. It seems very risky when he though you were scummy enough to be jailed. There was a 1 in 3 chance you are not town, Lucy jailing you would make that a 1 in 7 chance so she is much more likely to believe you are town. Maybe she revealed her COM name in order to get you to trust her. I can't think of another reason for doing so.

I think Jarvan IV's jailer is more likely to be scum.

Are you Capatalier? This is important in my analysis of you.

I ask this because Capatalier has commented on kills in the past as scum. Pantheon is behaving like a cross between Vasilli and Plato. One was Stalin, the other was a sheriff.

[Veigar]

Well I'm off to work guys, I'll be back later when it's evening.

[Maokai]

Interesting night. I have some comments on what's going on but I think I'll sit on it for the moment.

The question is: How would you act if you getting information depends on giving trust to someone you don't trust?

Would you be overly cautious?
Overly trusting?
Why?

[Orianna]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probable timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

Bah, typos.

[Jarvan IV]

Another thing Jarvan could consider is the relative post times of his jailor (which would indicate a probably timezone/geographic location) versus the COM identity claimed by his jailor. If there's a mismatch it could indicate that the "jailor" was lying. I'm reserving judgement for the moment.

He and I had a short guessing game, when he revealed he was a friend of Ash. I asked if it was Goremancer and he said yes. I asked a few other names first to be sure he wouldn't lie. I'm not positive with the timezone thing but I am pretty sure he is EST.

[Gunther]

The jailer said that was understandable. The jailer then said that it was scummy.

Was this two separate back-to-back posts? Or are you paraphrasing a shift as the conversation took place? If it was back-to-back that could be a jailor getting info from their boys and then doubling back to try to squeeze stuff out of you. I'm still not 100% convinced you're jailor was necessarily the bad one though - you'd think the mafia would know to be smarter with their jailor play so people would be more forthcoming with shit.

The jailer's argument was that the mafia just need to kill a PR. They don't need to know what type of PR just that a PR kill was guaranteed and that it didn't matter if I claimed a specific role.

This part confuses me. Could you elaborate what exactly the point was they were trying to make with this? Are they saying that because the mafia only have one kill with Lucy it doesn't matter what they do with it? I don't know why they think a PR kill was guaranteed, unless they were referring to the dead Consigliere/Erudito. Why did they think to say all of this out loud and then order your kill? It seems a bit scummy, so I'm leaning back just towards an intimidating town-aligned jailor.

I gave many codes to reveal my role during the day saying that the only way the jailer would find out is by letting me live.

Echoing what someone else said, why go through the trouble of setting up a ruse and then dropping it immediately at the start of the day? Wouldn't it have been better to explain your suspicions about your jailor, and then keeping up with whatever role you claimed to mess with the mafia if you truly thought your jailor was the shady one?

The jailer didn't listen.

Can you elaborate how someone "doesn't listen" in a post? Did they make another one simply saying "No." or what? This could be important in determining the style of the jailor (i.e likes to argue, stoic, unresponsive, etc.).

I saw someone look at the thread but not post after I posted that long list.

Did the jailor elaborate on his belief of you and give you any further instructions for the day? Or did they simply repeal his order to kill you?

I'd also like to hear from Jarvan about his night with his jailor. Like I said, assuming the mafia aren't jackasses they probably wouldn't go all out on the first night trying to bully people when attracting flies with honey is so much easier. Townspeople, on the other hand, ain't got time for that honey shit.

[Gunther]

Duh, wrote that I'd like to hear from Jarvan without noticing all the posts that happened while I was writing mine up. Sweet.