Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face

[Jarvan IV]

I'm finding it hard to see why town would reveal their COM name to you. It seems very risky when he though you were scummy enough to be jailed. There was a 1 in 3 chance you are not town, Lucy jailing you would make that a 1 in 7 chance so she is much more likely to believe you are town. Maybe she revealed her COM name in order to get you to trust her. I can't think of another reason for doing so.

I think Jarvan IV's jailer is more likely to be scum.

It was more than likely because of how violent I was in day one. I kept saying things like "so and so is going to be killed tonight." You can go back and read if you like. They're still alive . He never applied to have me killed, meaning he was Abstergo and didn't want to execute a fellow Abstergo employee, or he was scum and didn't want to waste his execute on a citizen.

[Orianna]

Interesting night. I have some comments on what's going on but I think I'll sit on it for the moment.

The question is: How would you act if you getting information depends on giving trust to someone you don't trust?

Would you be overly cautious?
Overly trusting?
Why?

Personally I'd be suspicious of anyone who wasn't suspicious of me. If they're scum they already know if someone else is their opponent, whereas town must be weary of everyone. Revealing their COM identity is also questionable at best, whether or not he lied.

[Pantheon]

"Wary

[Jarvan IV]

My jailor and I also devised an extremely complicated code, if he were mafia he probably just would've disregarded it, but he and I actively made modifications together towards the code to patch and optimize it in places necessary.

[Nautilus]

Like I said, assuming the mafia aren't jackasses they probably wouldn't go all out on the first night trying to bully people when attracting flies with honey is so much easier. Townspeople, on the other hand, ain't got time for that honey shit.

My exact sentiments. A town jailer wouldn't be as concerned how scummy he looks as long as he is getting information. A mafia jailer would try hard to look town because when it comes to his role claim, it is his word against the town jailer and the least scummy will win.

[Jarvan IV]

"Wary

lucy is their last hope for information gathering. Careful there.

you want me to teach you to be less gay, so that you can catch more men?

That Revolution sure was nipped in the bud, Good job assassins.


This has been a pretty good night for us

why don't you just go and check for yourself

the answer is the same answer to the following question:

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?

Would you mind explaining this posts to us? Are you Lee Sin's jailor?

[Pantheon]

"these posts

[Kennen]

My jailor and I also devised an extremely complicated code, if he were mafia he probably just would've disregarded it, but he and I actively made modifications together towards the code to patch and optimize it in places necessary.

On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

[Gunther]

Okay, some questions for you as well, Jarvan.

Off the bat, the very first post he put was "role. give me your role or i will execute you. i have three executions and my jailing also serves as a roleblock, so if i were you i would tell the truth. if i find our you are lying i will execute you at a later time.". I told him my true role, citizen. He then told me he only bluffed with them having three executions, and told me he only has one.

Why did you feel the need to say "true role" here instead of just "I told him citizen". Are you trying to wifom not being targetted? Because that's not very citizen-y. I'm inclined to believe that Goremancer is the jailor though, simply because his "bluff" relied on the assumption that his target has not read the rules, which is something he doesn't do.

He called himself the jailer. He wouldn't directly call himself jailer, but he would say things like "jailors jailing you counts as a roleblock"

This part confuses me: did he call himself jailer or jailor? You use both in your statement. Or did he use both?

[Jarvan IV]

Do the Chickens have Large Talons?[/QUOTE]

On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

Mine didn't, but when I saw Lee claim I decided to speak up. I wrote the base for the code, and he added a few things which could help cut it down and keep it nice and simple.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Just found out a couple of morning pms failed to send from this account.

This has been rectified and double checked, Agents.

-- No actions were affected.

[Jarvan IV]

Okay, some questions for you as well, Jarvan.



Why did you feel the need to say "true role" here instead of just "I told him citizen". Are you trying to wifom not being targetted? Because that's not very citizen-y. I'm inclined to believe that Goremancer is the jailor though, simply because his "bluff" relied on the assumption that his target has not read the rules, which is something he doesn't do.



This part confuses me: did he call himself jailer or jailor? You use both in your statement. Or did he use both?

He used jailer. I accidently put jailor a few times because that's what I say.

I said true role because Lee Sin lied about his.

[Jarvan IV]

Just found out a couple of morning pms failed to send from this account.

This has been rectified and double checked, Agents.

-- No actions were affected.

Quoting this for everyone else.

I just got a PM saying the witch also targeted me, but since I was jailed nothing came of it.

[Maokai]

Quoting this for everyone else.

I just got a PM saying the witch also targeted me, but since I was jailed nothing came of it.

Interesting. Why is that, exactly?

[Lee Sin]

Was this two separate back-to-back posts? Or are you paraphrasing a shift as the conversation took place? If it was back-to-back that could be a jailor getting info from their boys and then doubling back to try to squeeze stuff out of you. I'm still not 100% convinced you're jailor was necessarily the bad one though - you'd think the mafia would know to be smarter with their jailor play so people would be more forthcoming with shit.

There was little back and forth before that. There was like 9 hours between the posts.

This part confuses me. Could you elaborate what exactly the point was they were trying to make with this? Are they saying that because the mafia only have one kill with Lucy it doesn't matter what they do with it? I don't know why they think a PR kill was guaranteed, unless they were referring to the dead Consigliere/Erudito. Why did they think to say all of this out loud and then order your kill? It seems a bit scummy, so I'm leaning back just towards an intimidating town-aligned jailor.

The argument is that mafia want to kill PRs. It doesn't matter which type of PR, only as long as the jailer kills a PR. Saying that I was a PR only helps the mafia because they need to kill PRs.

Echoing what someone else said, why go through the trouble of setting up a ruse and then dropping it immediately at the start of the day? Wouldn't it have been better to explain your suspicions about your jailor, and then keeping up with whatever role you claimed to mess with the mafia if you truly thought your jailor was the shady one?

I have set up a code to claim my real role if we decide that my jailer is town. For all he knows, I am a citizen-PR.

Can you elaborate how someone "doesn't listen" in a post? Did they make another one simply saying "No." or what? This could be important in determining the style of the jailor (i.e likes to argue, stoic, unresponsive, etc.).

Unresponsive

Did the jailor elaborate on his belief of you and give you any further instructions for the day? Or did they simply repeal his order to kill you?

No plans at all. Only repealing to order.

[Lee Sin]

On the other hand, the mafia would probably be able to assist Lucy in creating an effective code system. I don't think it says much about his alignment, I'll have to think a bit more on it.

Lee and Jarvan, did your jailors ask you to claim being jailed? I think it is a decent question.

No, I felt it the right thing to do because of my suspicions. My jailer made no mention to revealing the fact that I was jailed.

[Maokai]

Interesting. Why is that, exactly?

And as a followup, is that what the PM told you, or is that what you think?

[Udyr]

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[Gunther]

He used jailer. I accidently put jailor a few times because that's what I say.

I said true role because Lee Sin lied about his.

Something else I just noticed, in your paraphrases of the jailor, you make him speak with a lowercase 'i'. Is that something he did in the chat or is that just your way of separating yourself from him?

Just saw your post that you were witched: if it's true, being jailed wouldn't matter since it's not a role-block in this game. This makes me rethink your citizen claim, but I'll allow it for now.

[Nunu]

I wasn't going to say anything for fear of looking scummy

The only people who should have such a fear of looking scummy that they won't give certain opinions are scum. Very poor choice of words. Like, seriously. However, the problem is that I also kinda think that Panthenon sounded like scum there...

[Gunther]

Here's something that I think should be addressed for everyone to keep in mind:

The mafia do not want to use their jailor's kill. As long as they have it, they can still try to bargain for role-claims. As soon as they use it though, they lose their role-block and they lose their bargaining chip. So do not be afraid if you find yourself in a jail cell. Game mechanics are on your side.

[Gangplank]

I'm interested as to why about 60% of people haven't posted yet.

I'm not sure what to think about this jailor situation.

Lee's actions in jail seem rather confusing, trying to claim PR and then wifoming citzen or whatever he was trying to accomplish. Jarvan's jail experience seems rather strange though, that the jailor would share COM name and such and risk being revealed. For all we know, Jarvan could be a mafia or neutral posing as a citizen. For the jailor to be so trusting with him seems rather suspicious considering some of the proven deductive skills present in this game.

I'm just going to file that away; for now I see no reason to doubt either of their claims. If no new evidence comes to light however, I may look back over this.

[Lux]

I am more inclined to believe right now that Lee Sin's Jailor was Lucy Stillman.
His actions don't make sense, I agree. Claiming a Town PR possibly in a Mafia jail is pretty idiotic, even if they do understand WIFOM.
Jarvan has actually seemed a bit scummy all day, as a claim that both were jailed is slightly improbable in a regular town situation, and this could possibly be some Mafia gambit.

Idunno, I'm not getting much out of this day. The PRs don't have much info, and we haven't seen who's buddying yet (in an actual Mafia sense, not the greatest Foursome evar).

[Gangplank]

It could all just be a Mafia ploy though to generate trust in Lee Sin. It does seem quite far fetched to construct an entire jailor conversation, but it's entirely feasible (fm Claw lol). Although Elixir's post to not quote jailor chat says otherwise, but maybe it's just in general even though the chat is fabricated?

Really, his actions in jail make no sense at all. I doubt any experienced player would have approached jail in such a way. Either he's a new player, he was just dumb, or he's hiding something. (GJ Elixir, Lucy really changed the mechanics of the jailor role from the role that you know is townie! Really raises the bar on requisite skill)

Anyway, I'd like to see some explanation from Jarvan about why the jailor trusted him so much with COM name and such. His posts and claims have a slight degree of scumminess and it's the best lead we have at this point.

[Irelia]

Hey guys! Miss me!??!!
Sorry I didn't say at the partay too long last night!!! I was contacted by someone and spent the night talking with them!
Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.


"I AM THE TOWN ANIMUS SUPERVISOR. LAST NIGHT, MY CODE WAS 821. IF YOU WERE VISITED BY ANOTHER JAILER, YOU WERE JAILED LAST NIGHT BY THE ASSASSIN'S SUPERVISOR. MY BIGGEST THREAT IS LUCY STILLMAN. TO COUNTERACT HER PLANS AND UNDERMINE THE ASSASSINS, I HAVE PLANNED AN ELABORATE CODE.

DAY: oooup206
NIGHT: pgpbma376453

EACH OF THE CODE, WHEN EXPLAINED, WILL CORRESPOND TO A PICTURE/VIDEO/ETC OF A JAILER. I WILL HAVE MY TARGET COPY A MESSAGE FROM ME TO TOWN EXPLAINING THE PREVIOUS DAY'S CODE ALONG WITH A NEW DAY AND NIGHT CODE TO CONFIRM. TARGETS GETTING JAILED: IF I DO NOT EXPLAIN THE NIGHT CODE TO YOU AND HOW IT RELATES TO A JAILER, BE AWARE THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING TO LUCY STILLMAN. I WILL NOT USE A TYPICAL PICTURE UPLOADING SITE SUCH AS TINYPICS NOR A VIDEO CREATED LESS THAN A MONTH AGO TO PREVENT ASSASSINS FROM FOILING ME.

ASSASSINS AND OTHER KILLERS: I KNOW YOU WILL TRY EVERYTHING TO STOP MY PLANS. THIS IS YOUR WARNING. IF I FIND YOU NOT SAYING IN CHAT WHAT I HAVE ASSIGNED YOU TO SAY, I WILL KNOW YOU ARE SCUM AND EXECUTE YOU IN SOME WAY SHORTLY.

FELLOW ABSTERGO AGENTS: I HAVE NO WAY OF PROVING TO YOU MY ALIGNMENT. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TRUST ME AND BELIEVE ME IN GOOD FAITH. THE ASSASSINS WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO DISCREDIT ME AND FIND ME THROUGH ERUDITO. ABSTERGO, I AM YOUR STRONGEST ALLY. YOUR DOCTOR, THAT CANNOT BE ROLE BLOCKED. PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN."
Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?

I added the colors, bolding, and underlining. (so technically it is not a direct quote)
To sum it up: I was jailed, had a nice chat, was told to relay this message to you guys.

Lux! I missed you girl!!!!!!

[Karthus]

I don't understand who is saying the quote. You act as if it is you, but then you claim you were the jailed person. I believe you failed to communicate your idea and it shall not be a pretty few hours for you...

[Irelia]

I don't understand who is saying the quote. You act as if it is you, but then you claim you were the jailed person. I believe you failed to communicate your idea and it shall not be a pretty few hours for you...

I think it's obvious the supervisor is saying the quote....just READ what I said...

[Gunther]

[COLOR="#EE82EE"] YOUR DOCTOR, THAT CANNOT BE ROLE BLOCKED. PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN."
Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?

Wtf do these two lines mean?

[Jarvan IV]

It could all just be a Mafia ploy though to generate trust in Lee Sin. It does seem quite far fetched to construct an entire jailor conversation, but it's entirely feasible (fm Claw lol). Although Elixir's post to not quote jailor chat says otherwise, but maybe it's just in general even though the chat is fabricated?

Really, his actions in jail make no sense at all. I doubt any experienced player would have approached jail in such a way. Either he's a new player, he was just dumb, or he's hiding something. (GJ Elixir, Lucy really changed the mechanics of the jailor role from the role that you know is townie! Really raises the bar on requisite skill)

Anyway, I'd like to see some explanation from Jarvan about why the jailor trusted him so much with COM name and such. His posts and claims have a slight degree of scumminess and it's the best lead we have at this point.

Glad to see you have an opinion! My jailor's number last night was 553 or something like that. As of late, however, Irelia is claiming to have been jailed hours after Lee Sin and I both did. To be honest, while you raise some ok (?) points in your post about why I trust my jailor, perhaps we should look to Irelia and ask what the fuck she's on about. I believe I have described in great depths how the interaction with my jailor went last night. Sorry if I seem scummy, but too bad.

[Gangplank]

As I said, I didn't save logs but I have a good recollection of what went down.

We reached about two pages of discussion. We both revealed our coms to eachother. When he is about to be lynched, he will reveal his true identity to me. Scum wouldn't do that. There are also some things we discussed I don't want to post here for everyone to see.

I would like to reiterate:

This post seems incredibly suspicious. 1) They both reveal coms on a citizen claim. WTF. 2) The Jailor will reveal his true identity when he is about to be lynched. Perhaps it's Lucy who will reveal to get support? 3) The Cit role is the safest role to be claimed by mafia at this point I believe considering witching/bus driving/ etc. Either way, if you are a citizen, from a town perspective you just failed in your goal of deflecting a shot from a town PR. Unless this is pro WIFOM.

The fact that the jailor was willing to reveal such information on a cit claim seems to me that it's Lucy looking for town support in case of a lynch.

Also, you haven't retracted your vote on Pantheon. May I ask what motivated this vote.

[Fiora]

Fiora, I have an idea. Would it be from a fail wifom or the fact I made you shoot me?

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Also, Karthus, the original post is quite clear if you read it again. Your immediate jumping on him and calling him scum is indeed, a bit scummy. If you notice, he said:

Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.

Following that was a section inside of quotes. In case your not aware, quotation marks mean you are quoting the words of someone else... aka the jailor.
He even posted everything that was his original words in a different color (pink). He made it as clear as he could possibly make it without directly quoting that the middle section was the jailor speaking not himself.

So, tell us. Why were you so quick to try to disprove Irelia's claim? You want to protect your mafia's fake jail claim? Or you know that is the real jailor speaking and you want to ruin his code?

[Kennen]

So, someone's lying about being jailed? Personally, I think Jarvan's case seems to be the strangest, but I want to hear this all out.

[Fiora]

Also, Irelia what did you and the jailor discuss during the rest of the night?
Why refrain from including this information in your original post when it would only strengthen a claim that you knew would be in debate?

[Jarvan IV]

I would like to reiterate:

This post seems incredibly suspicious. 1) They both reveal coms on a citizen claim. WTF. 2) The Jailor will reveal his true identity when he is about to be lynched. Perhaps it's Lucy who will reveal to get support? 3) The Cit role is the safest role to be claimed by mafia at this point I believe considering witching/bus driving/ etc. Either way, if you are a citizen, from a town perspective you just failed in your goal of deflecting a shot from a town PR. Unless this is pro WIFOM.

The fact that the jailor was willing to reveal such information on a cit claim seems to me that it's Lucy looking for town support in case of a lynch.

Also, you haven't retracted your vote on Pantheon. May I ask what motivated this vote.

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

[Karthus]

I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

[Jarvan IV]

So, someone's lying about being jailed? Personally, I think Jarvan's case seems to be the strangest, but I want to hear this all out.

What exactly is strange about it?

[Irelia]

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!

Hehe. Glad to be playing with you again ^^ hopefully this time you will completely understand me.

[Fiora]

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

Honestly. Do people even read each other's posts? He clearly implied that a cit claim was the most likely to be used by a mafia. Therefore, a person claiming citizen in the jail would be more scummy, and the jailor would not reveal com name to someone he thought was scummy.
In my opinion people who are scum are more likely be so aggressive on wrong points because they are so eager to deflect suspicion on themselves that they jump on anything they think they can say against their accusers.

[Jarvan IV]

Honestly. Do people even read each other's posts? He clearly implied that a cit claim was the most likely to be used by a mafia. Therefore, a person claiming citizen in the jail would be more scummy, and the jailor would not reveal com name to someone he thought was scummy.
In my opinion people who are scum are more likely be so aggressive on wrong points because they are so eager to deflect suspicion on themselves that they jump on anything they think they can say against their accusers.

Okay. TL;DR version: I think you're scum.

Jackass, why would I lie? I claimed I was jailed no more than a few minutes after Lee Sin. If you have a question, by all means, ask.

[Gunther]

Read back a few pages. I explained why. As I said, to be honest, I don't care how scummy you feel I am. You're saying you don't know why the jailor would reveal information to me because I'm a cit. What exactly is that supposed to mean? Jailors should be elitist assholes, or are you referring to yourself?

As a minor nitpick to your shady claim, why do you insist on referring to yourself as a cit when your role card is Abstergo Agent? It certainly doesn't help your case. And given that you believed yourself to be role-blocked by the jailor last night, well that sounds an awful lot like the jailor that visited you and didn't understand the rules either, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet that you are Goremancer, and that your jailor situation is B.S.

Let's not forget that Elixir freaked out and banned direct jail quoting when Lee Sin was about to do it, so I think it's clear he was one of the jailed people and frankly, Lux's claim seems stronger even if there's still some things I'd like them to answer.

With that in mind

-vote Jarvan IV

You still haven't clarified your earlier statements about being witched, and I'd like to know why you lied about being jailed. Or at least more information to convince me that you are one of the three telling the truth.

[Maokai]

Well, unfortunately for this third jailor but it seems like his elaborate plan has been foiled simply from the existence of three jailors apparently. Hope you have a backup plan.

Whomever came up with that is fairly clever, but cleverness is not common in this game, I think it would have been better for you to have crossed the jailor on this one and just admitted to being jailed. The only thing to come from this is to throw this third jailor to the dogs.

Also, Jarvan IV I would appreciate it if you respond to my questions.

[Irelia]

I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

You have already received an answer that makes your statement show you are not paying attention, or are just trolling.

Also, Irelia what did you and the jailor discuss during the rest of the night?
Why refrain from including this information in your original post when it would only strengthen a claim that you knew would be in debate?

Naturally the jailor asked for my COM name, role, night action (if any) and if I read the handbook fully and understood it completely. We discussed other things as well.

[Karthus]

Forget the thing about the Irelia for now I was merely coaxing her into defending herself with big girl words because she appears to be a twat. I'll instead point out that Jarvan had a sudden announcement of his jail code and stated that we should be asking Irelia "what the fuck she's on about" almost immediately after Irelia posted her quote...

Undoubtedly so...

[Fiora]

Hey guys! Miss me!??!!
Sorry I didn't say at the partay too long last night!!! I was contacted by someone and spent the night talking with them!
Also I was told to spread a message to you guys. If you would please read this.


-------->"<---------I AM THE [COLOR="#00FF00"]TOWN ANIMUS SUPERVISOR... ... ... PROTECT ME, AND I WILL PROTECT YOU IN RETURN.------->"<-------
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I don't understand...how can one be both jailed and the jailor? I expect an answer from Irelia and no one else...

I don't understand how you are still in confusion about this. Irelia made it clear that it was the jailor saying the message and not her. I point out these things earlier and you again post without rereading the post?
Why are you so determined to put suspicion on Irelia's claim and not Lee Sin's or Jarvan's?

[Jarvan IV]

Forget the thing about the Irelia for now I was merely coaxing her into defending herself with big girl words because she appears to be a twat. I'll instead point out that Jarvan had a sudden announcement of his jail code and stated that we should be asking Irelia "what the fuck she's on about" almost immediately after Irelia posted her quote...

Undoubtedly so...

And? A few pages back you posted a code of some type, I asked you to elaborate and you ignored me but since the spotlight is currently on us, Karthus, please. Do tell what that was about.

[Gangplank]

Jarvan: others have compounded on my ideas that cit claims would be more likely for mafia.

However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor. If he was a town jailor and you claimed citizen, a role that is distinctly impossible to prove and also a common claim in this game for scum, especially for example Desmond Miles, I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk.

Of course, you could be completely innocent and its just that the jailor is Lucy, which is why at this point I will refrain from voting on you. However, I would like to see you shore up your claim with answers to our questions, especially considering that you are one of the people with a vote on someone (Pantheon of all people). I'll be going to sleep in a few minutes so I hope to see a response and be able to answer before I go to bed.

[Irelia]

Well, unfortunately for this third jailor but it seems like his elaborate plan has been foiled simply from the existence of three jailors apparently. Hope you have a backup plan.

Whomever came up with that is fairly clever, but cleverness is not common in this game, I think it would have been better for you to have crossed the jailor on this one and just admitted to being jailed. The only thing to come from this is to throw this third jailor to the dogs.

Also, Jarvan IV I would appreciate it if you respond to my questions.

I agree. This jailor does seem clever. I'm not sure what he/she has up her sleeve. And I promised I would deliver the message (a "condition" of my survival). I also wanted to see the development of this plan as well.

[Fiora]

Naturally the jailor asked for my COM name, role, night action (if any) and if I read the handbook fully and understood it completely. We discussed other things as well.

... the idea is that if you were actually jailed you would know things that you talked about and would be able to tell us specific things the jailor said, the phrasings and styles that the jailor used while writing, general tone, etc.

[Jarvan IV]

As a minor nitpick to your shady claim, why do you insist on referring to yourself as a cit when your role card is Abstergo Agent? It certainly doesn't help your case. And given that you believed yourself to be role-blocked by the jailor last night, well that sounds an awful lot like the jailor that visited you and didn't understand the rules either, doesn't it? I'm willing to bet that you are Goremancer, and that your jailor situation is B.S.

Let's not forget that Elixir freaked out and banned direct jail quoting when Lee Sin was about to do it, so I think it's clear he was one of the jailed people and frankly, Lux's claim seems stronger even if there's still some things I'd like them to answer.

With that in mind

-vote Jarvan IV

You still haven't clarified your earlier statements about being witched, and I'd like to know why you lied about being jailed. Or at least more information to convince me that you are one of the three telling the truth.

I didn't lie about shit. I was posting someone tried to witch me, and it failed. Your point is? I just had gotten the PM at that time.

[Jarvan IV]

Jarvan: others have compounded on my ideas that cit claims would be more likely for mafia.

However, the main problem I find with your claim is simply the openness of the jailor. If he was a town jailor and you claimed citizen, a role that is distinctly impossible to prove and also a common claim in this game for scum, especially for example Desmond Miles, I find it highly unlikely that your jailor would suddenly be open with you on your citizen claim, which leads me to believe it was Lucy looking for a supporter among the townsfolk.

Of course, you could be completely innocent and its just that the jailor is Lucy, which is why at this point I will refrain from voting on you. However, I would like to see you shore up your claim with answers to our questions, especially considering that you are one of the people with a vote on someone (Pantheon of all people). I'll be going to sleep in a few minutes so I hope to see a response and be able to answer before I go to bed.

I didn't see a question.