Witch needs a buff

[UnusualHatz]

I reckon the witch is one of the most hardest roles to win as, and probably the worst or second worst neutral roles. Firstly the witches ability is not very good in the early game, does not really tell you a lot, unless you picked a killing role. Mid-late game it's a bit better because you should be able to deduce what role's people are. Even still on default settings people know if they are witched or not so kind of reveals yourself too early. Also your winning conditions need you to survive to the end to see the town lose so it's kind of like a survivor but you have no protection so ultimately it's harder than survivor and you don't get to pick sides. Her alibi if investigated is only survivor and amnesiac. Survivor should have claimed early for it to be a decent alibi whilst amnesiac can be easily tested because he can easily pick a role out of the dead guys. So these aren't the best alibi's
Here is my proposals. Lower the goal requirement for the witch. Her ability is mediocre and sometimes about luck so I also think she could use a buff in that.
So here's my suggested new requirement:
Survive until no. Mafia plus evil neutrals(not including herself) is greater than or equal to the no.town
I reckon this makes witches a lot more easier to win since now she does not have to survive as long and I think this is fair due to her lack of protection and mediocre ability
My other suggestion is to buff her ability:
When controlling somebody, the person they visit will also do an 'investigative job' for her. What I mean by this is they will give both a sheriff and an investigator's report for her but not to the controlled person. The controlled person's ability will also be used against targeted person.
This way the witch can more easily deduce whose on her side and who is not.
Another suggestion is to make her team up with the serial killer so that means one less person to worry about killing her.
My final suggestion is make her night immune. She dies too god damn easily
Note, not all my suggestion could be taken into the game but they're just suggestions

[swEEt]

meh i see witch win alot with mafia. no buff needed. It is a harder role to win at imo. no where near as hard as arson to win at though

[Necrolord]

Another person who wishes to imbalance the game!

Good thing DR ignores all you fags.

[knight10]

theres a reason you get more points for winning as certain roles

[Derogatory]

Since a witch can win with any anti-town role excluding the serial killer and arsonist, I think the witch should be revealed to all anti-town roles that the witch can win with. Honestly, the witch is often killed by it's allies more than the town just because the mafia doesn't know he/she is a witch. The witch should also be told the role of her/his controlled person when the night ends. I definitely agree with night immunity, and I think the witch should be able to win with ANY anti-town role. Survivors, executioners, jesters and any town that isn't directly out to get the town doesn't count. The witch gets a lot of points for a win, but I don't believe points should compensate for imbalance.

[CardiffKilla]

Witch doesn't need a buff. Once she finds the godfather, she can target anyone but herself, and win with the mafia.

[cookies4you]

Witch is IMBA if you think about it. All you need to do is survive 4-5 days and declare yourself as the Witch. If you've got 3 Mafia and 1 SK, that's 4 people you can win with. The Witch is a pretty balanced role, if you think about it.

[McKinley]

Since a witch can win with any anti-town role excluding the serial killer and arsonist, I think the witch should be revealed to all anti-town roles that the witch can win with. Honestly, the witch is often killed by it's allies more than the town just because the mafia doesn't know he/she is a witch. The witch should also be told the role of her/his controlled person when the night ends. I definitely agree with night immunity, and I think the witch should be able to win with ANY anti-town role. Survivors, executioners, jesters and any town that isn't directly out to get the town doesn't count. The witch gets a lot of points for a win, but I don't believe points should compensate for imbalance.

Last I checked Witch wins with SK and Arsonist.

[Gingerape]

Except the whole 5 person left rule.
2 town vs witch vs 2 mafia.
The witch is like "hey mafia lets win"
The mafia decide to lynch her for being a witch.

[Twisted]

If mafia finds out a witch they sometimes kill em, just to avoid the possibility the Witch will have mafia kill themselves on last civ

[Omeleet]

Nah normally mafia just kills witch to troll. Every time I have seen it happen at the end, the witch agrees not to control mafia to make it easier, then the mafia is like "fuck it lol, imma kill him", and the mafia proceeds to win the next day anyway.

Basically pro advice here, don't trust anyone, especially as witch. Don't ever reveal either, I was just in a game where the cult converted the SK and the witch was like SK WE CAN WIN THIS JUST TELL ME WHO YOU ARE I AM THE WITCH LOL. They lynched him the next day because there was no SK remaining (ML eliminated the cult the night before).

[Jowa]

Except the whole 5 person left rule.
2 town vs witch vs 2 mafia.
The witch is like "hey mafia lets win"
The mafia decide to lynch her for being a witch.

There's also the case when They lynch a town, then the witch kills a mafia with the gf/mafioso, and then the town lynches the gf/mafioso.

I'm going 2 lynch the witch from now on

[Rihfok]

Even though I have never won as witch
Witch is fine.
/thread

[Sirix]

+1 to OP, Witch too insanely hard atm.

Something i was considering was rolling Witch into the Mafia? Maybe something like a 1 day cooldown after every use and can't target mafia?

[JackWolfsong]

I don't think witch is UP. Actually it's pretty easy role. If mafia goes well and Town goes bad you just reveal yourself at 4t-5th day and you are safe, then u use dedcution to try to find SK or sheriff some time before and bah! Game is yours!

Once I tried to pretend being witch while I was bodyguard. Hehe, I was the last one of town dying, pity there were 2 SKs with addition to 3 mafia members + retarded Town, had no chances to win whatsoever but these guys were strongly perplexed.

[Ambient]

Witch does not need a buff..

1. Witch can win with the Mafia, Arsonist, Serial Killer, or by herself.
2. Control can be set to be undetected depending on settings.
3. Amnesiac defense can work very well depending on settings
4. Controlling players action massively can affect the outcome of the game.

I cannot tell you how many games I have discovered a killing role night one. It is true that the players, be it Mafia or SK may not ultimately side with you.. it is a PLAYER choice not a role Choice. I realize you may think witch needs to have 5 vests, 2 killings attacks, and magic bus ability as well, but be realistic. The witch is one of the most powerful neutral roles.

If you have having issues it is due to player interactions or user error. There is nothing wrong with the role.

[biersteker]

To win as witch, you only need to find the doc, and selftarget. Witch win is one of the easiest in the game.

[Jowa]

To win as witch, you only need to find the doc, and selftarget. Witch win is one of the easiest in the game.

That would be false. You can afk with survivor and win, or almost any town. With witch, it's harder.