M-FM VII Gamethread

[BorkBot]

-vote clementine

lives too long

You want to take a bite?

First you should ask CmG if he's willing to share.

[FrostByte]

Today I would like to pressure Blazer to contribute something useful to the discussion, as he is new, and as the only thing he posted yesterday was that he would be posting later in the evening. That was his only post yesterday... Is this a slipup indicating that he would be posting later in mafia chat?


-vote Blazer

I don't necessarily feel like it was a slip here. Yesterday WAS Easter. I got modkilled from Blazer's MFM (SO SORRY BLAZER!! ) because I didn't realize how much time my family was going to demand lolol. Maybe the same happened to Blazer.
I understand the need to try and get a vote train going on people, I really do, but I feel like we need more information about people before we start voting. More often than not, we end up ousting town PRs than pressuring a mafia into slipping up.

[Phyr]

Hey, I'm back. And GriM-DeMoN seems to be here, too. Please solve Sumikoko's code: oEEXhOFKc.

[Kromos]

Rihfok (2) : GriM-DeMoN, BorkBot
Blazer (1) : clementine
clementine (1) : Kony

[BorkBot]

Unvote Rihfok

Vote Frostbyte

I don't trust someone who randomly defends everyone without real reasons. And that's what you're doing.

[Kony]

oEEXhOFKc -> Kony Translator 3000 -> grim we are your friends

[FrostByte]

Wow.
So, I'm trying to make sure we have solid evidence against people before we start a lynch train on them. There's no logical link between someone who plays devil's advocate and mafia if you think about it.
You're just mad because you thought you had a foolproof way to lynch someone and I stopped it because it was too hasty.
Whatever, though, do as you wish.

[clementine]

I don't necessarily feel like it was a slip here. Yesterday WAS Easter. I got modkilled from Blazer's MFM (SO SORRY BLAZER!! ) because I didn't realize how much time my family was going to demand lolol. Maybe the same happened to Blazer.
I understand the need to try and get a vote train going on people, I really do, but I feel like we need more information about people before we start voting. More often than not, we end up ousting town PRs than pressuring a mafia into slipping up.

It is because Trinerox/Blazer has posted so few times that I am unable to get any picture at all about his possible roles or alignment. However, due to circumstances that may or may not involve my night actions, I wish to hear from him sooner rather than later in order to be able to judge what side he is on.

[FrostByte]

It is because Trinerox/Blazer has posted so few times that I am unable to get any picture at all about his possible roles or alignment. However, due to circumstances that may or may not involve my night actions, I wish to hear from him sooner rather than later in order to be able to judge what side he is on.

So, you're willing to possibly oust a town PR because you feel like you need a read on every single person in the game?
What's your read on me, Clementine?

[Kony]

FrostByte you seem to be cold inside

[CmG]

You want to take a bite?

First you should ask CmG if he's willing to share.

I hate sharing! I have no siblings.

Spidersense is tingling found possible connection between Frostbyte, Blazer and rihfok.

Also the first Article is cool reminds me a lot of a post from me day 1. Lazy basterd!


Still lets wait for the other people as well to post b4 we do any crazy shit.

[Sumikoko]

It could mean that you're mafia who will of course never be investigated because you are oh so trusted town. Because mafia would never do something so stupid as claim masons, that can't possibly be the case.

It might come across as suspicious initially but I think it's better if I admit right away that I was roleblocked.

So maybe we have an escort/consort or a medical student visited me tonight.

Was that you Sumi?

You caught me.

On a more serious note, however, need I repeat all the reasons why Mafia would not WIFOM as Masons this game? Or do I just seem like the sort of person who would try absolutely outlandish plans that involves jeopardizing my entire team for the sake of a gambit doomed to fail?

[clementine]

I simply asked him three questions that many of us here have already answered. Trinerox/Blazer was not here when Dust posted his long list of questions, that again, many of us have already answered. Trinerox/Blazer has not. I am not asking him to reveal his role, I am just asking him to answer questions about his opinion on Bork Bot, his opinion on the masons, and his opinion on the scummiest person here.

I fail to see how Blazer's answers to these three questions would potentially oust a town PR? Can you explain this to me?

[Nick]

did you read article its shorter

I have to agree with Kony. Writing style and level of English proficiency. Article1;Day1 = Article1;Day2. Article 1 by clementine? And Sumikoko, why don't you guide GriM to lie better? Or help him with his accusations? You guys lack communication. *tsk tsk*

We are missing a kill from RED. Most likely Sumikoko is being attacked.

[BorkBot]

Wow.
So, I'm trying to make sure we have solid evidence against people before we start a lynch train on them. There's no logical link between someone who plays devil's advocate and mafia if you think about it.
You're just mad because you thought you had a foolproof way to lynch someone and I stopped it because it was too hasty.
Whatever, though, do as you wish.

You not only want to avoid lynching someone prematurely, you are also advocating that we shouldn't pressure vote people.

"I understand that we need to lynch blah blah, but I'm not voting on anyone who is actually suspicious! The less information we gather from day chat, the better!"

Yeah. For the mafia.

I think both you and Rihfok are mafia. Not necessarily on the same team, but you're trying to divert pressure votes all the bloody time. You are 100% scum.

[Kony]

kony learnt new word: oust

[Nick]

You caught me.

On a more serious note, however, need I repeat all the reasons why Mafia would not WIFOM as Masons this game? Or do I just seem like the sort of person who would try absolutely outlandish plans that involves jeopardizing my entire team for the sake of a gambit doomed to fail?

GriM just revealed the third mason... you are... a bit late...

[Nick]

I know Fragos and Goremancer are thinking the same thing I'm thinking. Goremancer should keep his mouth shut. At least wait until Day3 or Day4.

[BorkBot]

You caught me.

On a more serious note, however, need I repeat all the reasons why Mafia would not WIFOM as Masons this game? Or do I just seem like the sort of person who would try absolutely outlandish plans that involves jeopardizing my entire team for the sake of a gambit doomed to fail?

You mean like how your lover ploy was doomed to fail?

Yes, I think you're capable of insane WIFOM.

As am I.

I look forward to the day we share a mafia night chat. Kufufufu.

[Nick]

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[FrostByte]

I simply asked him three questions that many of us here have already answered. Trinerox/Blazer was not here when Dust posted his long list of questions, that again, many of us have already answered. Trinerox/Blazer has not. I am not asking him to reveal his role, I am just asking him to answer questions about his opinion on Bork Bot, his opinion on the masons, and his opinion on the scummiest person here.

I fail to see how Blazer's answers to these three questions would potentially oust a town PR? Can you explain this to me?

I'm not accusing you of anything, keep that in mind. I'm just trying to get you to think outside of the box.
It's very possible that by reading an answer to any of those three questions, one may be able to discern the role of the person who answered it.
I.E Blazer possibly saying the scummiest person here is clementine. Someone asks why he thinks it's clementine, blazer not having an answer. One could very easily discern that blazer has gathered information from being cop/lookout etc etc. This kind of "innocent looking" questioning is exactly what scum use to seem innocent and curious in day chat.

I hate sharing! I have no siblings.

Spidersense is tingling found possible connection between Frostbyte, Blazer and rihfok.

Also the first Article is cool reminds me a lot of a post from me day 1. Lazy basterd!


Still lets wait for the other people as well to post b4 we do any crazy shit.

There's no connection between us. I'm simply trying to stop the town from doing something rash due to the lack of lynchings the last couple days. After a couple of days without lynchings, whether or not it's the first couple days in the game, the town starts to feel a bit restless. I personally believe that the first article was mafia trying to capitalize on that restless feeling and getting the town to lead a lynch on someone who the mafia believes to be a town PR.
Running a lynchtrain this early in the day is reckless. If nothing else, you can't argue with that. There's no reason to act rashly. We have a whole day to figure shit out.

[Nick]

I don't understand why Sumikoko will try to avoid revealing the masons. Mafia can't wipe you out anyways? You recruit before kills. Why the reluctance? Get a citizen to reveal everyday. I didn't see any limit to the number of masons.

[FrostByte]

You not only want to avoid lynching someone prematurely, you are also advocating that we shouldn't pressure vote people.

"I understand that we need to lynch blah blah, but I'm not voting on anyone who is actually suspicious! The less information we gather from day chat, the better!"

Yeah. For the mafia.

I think both you and Rihfok are mafia. Not necessarily on the same team, but you're trying to divert pressure votes all the bloody time. You are 100% scum.

People thought I was 100% scum in FMX because of similar circumstances. Read my signature. My intentions aren't as cut and dry as you seem to think.
I.E I'm not mafia and there's no connection between Rihfok and I. Why the fuck would I (or anyone else, for that matter) be that fucking blatant about my intentions in a mafia game? lolol.
Again, think what you wish, though.

[Phyr]

You not only want to avoid lynching someone prematurely, you are also advocating that we shouldn't pressure vote people.

"I understand that we need to lynch blah blah, but I'm not voting on anyone who is actually suspicious! The less information we gather from day chat, the better!"

Yeah. For the mafia.

I think both you and Rihfok are mafia. Not necessarily on the same team, but you're trying to divert pressure votes all the bloody time. You are 100% scum.

I have to agree with BorkBot on this. FrostByte's wish seems to be to divert all pressure all together. I'd to see him handle it.
-vote FrostByte

Rihfok (2) : GriM-DeMoN, BorkBot
Blazer (1) : clementine
clementine (1) : Kony

[Phyr]

my bad

Rihfok (1) : GriM-DeMoN
Blazer (1) : clementine
clementine (1) : Kony
FrostByte (2) : BorkBot, Phyr

[Nick]

Rihfok is scummy.

But before we start piling votes based on the article, we should ask ourselves, who wrote the article?

[Nick]

I suspected anti-masons yesterday. Dust, clementine, etc.

But now, I start to have doubts.
1) GriM's contradictory accusations
2) Sumikoko not revealing other masons
3) Lack of coordination between the two

I want Roschi to talk.

[BorkBot]

You defend Rihfok for no reason. You defend Blazer for no reason. Yesterday you insisted that we didn't lynch Fragos and called me out for being scum because I called you scum because I disagreed with you. Which wasn't even true.

It's also not true that people thought you were scummy in FMX for similar reasons. People thought you were scum then because of the shifty report of night actions that you and Luna produced.

As far as I've seen, you haven't said anything sensible yet in this game that didn't seem fabricated. I'm going to be unoriginal and FoS you >=)

[BorkBot]

^
The above was a reply to Frostbyte

I'm not accusing you of anything, keep that in mind. I'm just trying to get you to think outside of the box.
It's very possible that by reading an answer to any of those three questions, one may be able to discern the role of the person who answered it.
I.E Blazer possibly saying the scummiest person here is clementine. Someone asks why he thinks it's clementine, blazer not having an answer. One could very easily discern that blazer has gathered information from being cop/lookout etc etc. This kind of "innocent looking" questioning is exactly what scum use to seem innocent and curious in day chat.

[Nick]

I'm going to be unoriginal and FoS you >=)

Which finger?

[Kony]

FoS ro dah!

[FrostByte]

I have to agree with BorkBot on this. FrostByte's wish seems to be to divert all pressure all together. I'd to see him handle it.
-vote FrostByte

Rihfok (2) : GriM-DeMoN, BorkBot
Blazer (1) : clementine
clementine (1) : Kony

You're making a mistake. I'm not scum, I'm simply trying to get more info from what happened last night before we start a lynch train.

[Nick]

You're making a mistake. I'm not scum, I'm simply trying to get more info from what happened last night before we start a lynch train.

Don't roleclaim so early. Defend yourself without claiming for now.

[Phyr]

Well, I like Kirby, too. But I'm having kind of a hard time to even say which of both editors was Mopin. And unless we have a Coroner somewhere lurking around, we won't find out (without doubt), who he interviewed.
FrostByte, do you think Rihfok is scummy? And if yes, why?

[FrostByte]

Rihfok is scummy.

But before we start piling votes based on the article, we should ask ourselves, who wrote the article?

This.

You defend Rihfok for no reason. You defend Blazer for no reason. Yesterday you insisted that we didn't lynch Fragos and called me out for being scum because I called you scum because I disagreed with you. Which wasn't even true.

It's also not true that people thought you were scummy in FMX for similar reasons. People thought you were scum then because of the shifty report of night actions that you and Luna produced.

As far as I've seen, you haven't said anything sensible yet in this game that didn't seem fabricated. I'm going to be unoriginal and FoS you >=)

Yes, what you did yesterday was scummy as shit. You started calling me scum because I refused to jump on your lynch train.
I'm not referring to the whole witch debacle. I'm referring to the day after, when people (masons) started calling me scum because I want people to gather information through means other than pressure voting. Scum very easily jump on the pressure vote wagon and it quickly turns into a lynchwagon.

[clementine]

I suspected anti-masons yesterday. Dust, clementine, etc.

But now, I start to have doubts.
1) GriM's contradictory accusations
2) Sumikoko not revealing other masons
3) Lack of coordination between the two

I want Roschi to talk.

AND, GriM should explain Sumikoko's code that she posted yesterday. Phyr, too was waiting for you to explain it.

[clementine]

Honestly, does it even matter who wrote what article? I have no reason not to believe that every article submitted was completely fabricated and 100% not true.

[FrostByte]

FrostByte, do you think Rihfok is scummy? And if yes, why?

Not necessarily. I feel like he hasn't contributed enough to get a good read on him, with him being sick and with yesterday being Easter. There's still the possibility that he's scum, but just because his name was mentioned in a public article which was VERY possibly fabricated by mafia doesn't mean that he's scum. I'm just trying to get people to realize that. It doesn't matter who it is, I don't want people to just resort to pressure votes because they very easily end up mislynching people.

[Nick]

AND, GriM should explain Sumikoko's code that she posted yesterday. Phyr, too was waiting for you to explain it.

Ah yes. Totally forgot.

Might as well vote GriM to state my stand.

vote GriM-DeMoN

Talk puppet. Name your mistress. Tell us who is the witch. I know you have a lying streak within you. Somewhere. I have all seeing eyes. You can't hide from me.


Rihfok (1) : GriM-DeMoN
GriM-DeMoN (1) : Nick
Blazer (1) : clementine
clementine (1) : Kony
FrostByte (2) : BorkBot, Phyr

clementine help me with the bandwagon if you want answers.

[FrostByte]

Honestly, does it even matter who wrote what article? I have no reason not to believe that every article submitted was completely fabricated and 100% not true.

It matters a TON who wrote the article. The reasoning behind the article having been written completely changes how it will effect that game if people choose to follow the information.
You also don't have a reason to NOT believe they're NOT fabricated.
Does anyone else remember the issues the newspaper posed in FMX? Calling Ganondorf out as mayor, when it was a really blatant lie. This is a similar mechanic and I feel like we should take every word with a grain of salt.
Everyone's accusing me of trying to keep pressure off of everyone. That's not true. I'm not trying to keep pressure off, I'm trying to make people use methods other than pressure votes and sheeping behind the articles. Both of those methods of info gathering are influenced (if not directly controlled) by the mafia and are not something we should be spending our time worrying about.

[Nick]

Talking about sick. I will be AFK from Friday onwards. If not AFK, zero contribution. I'll try to log in once a day though.

[Sumikoko]

You mean like how your lover ploy was doomed to fail?

Touche. Though looking back at it now, I really wish to replay that game and take a different route. Having the threat of a neutral killer looming over our heads completely skewed my thought process.

GriM just revealed the third mason... you are... a bit late...

Where? I just reread over all his posts.

I don't understand why Sumikoko will try to avoid revealing the masons. Mafia can't wipe you out anyways? You recruit before kills. Why the reluctance? Get a citizen to reveal everyday. I didn't see any limit to the number of masons.

Fearing annihilation is hardly my worries. It's fearing non-annihilation. What roles do you think are left once Mafia knows whom all the Masons/citizens are? Mafia is currently placed in position where they need to deliberate whom they need to kill. As the Masons are yet unconfirmed, they're going to stay away from killing us as long as possible to keep this air of suspicion around us. If we blatantly tell everyone whom all our members are, then Mafia can pretty much pick and choose to kill anyone and be one step closer to their win condition, yes? I know you've thought this through, Nick. Why are you forcing me to be suspicious of you?

Grim, go to Mason chat and post my explanation of the code. Since they're all asking for it. Don't forget the colors I put in it, too.

[Nick]

Hey Kony. GriM is the President of Uganda. You know what to do!

clementine and Phyr, please vote GriM. Goremancer and Fragos too.

[BorkBot]

You're making a mistake. I'm not scum, I'm simply trying to get more info from what happened last night before we start a lynch train.

Pressure votes don't make a lynch train, pal.

Which finger?

When a gladiator went down, cries of Habet, Hoc habet! (He's had it!), and shouts of Mitte! (Let him go!) or Iugula! (Kill him!) could be heard. If able, the wounded gladiator would lay down his shield and raise his left hand to plea for mercy, which the crowd signified either by extending their thumbs up or down (pollice verso), turning the thumb upwards and jabbing it toward the heart (pollicem vertere) also was a sign of disapproval, and approval indicated by pressing the thumb and forefinger together (pollicem premere).

[Nick]

Fearing annihilation is hardly my worries. It's fearing non-annihilation. What roles do you think are left once Mafia knows whom all the Masons/citizens are? Mafia is currently placed in position where they need to deliberate whom they need to kill. As the Masons are yet unconfirmed, they're going to stay away from killing us as long as possible to keep this air of suspicion around us. If we blatantly tell everyone whom all our members are, then Mafia can pretty much pick and choose to kill anyone and be one step closer to their win condition, yes? I know you've thought this through, Nick. Why are you forcing me to be suspicious of you?

Grim, go to Mason chat and post my explanation of the code. Since they're all asking for it. Don't forget the colors I put in it, too.

Before I become the scapegoat...

I insist because your reasoning for not revealing is weak. Once you get all the citizens, we can easily do a mass role claim to validate the claims. Mafia cannot hide within the generic citizens like they usually do.

And I suppose that Godfather will want masons dead quick so that he can hide. If he is killing masons, he will kill you first, followed by GriM. Roschi might be jester so they won't touch him.

My alarm went off when GriM revealed and you ask for no reveals IN CONSECUTIVE POSTS. And then GriM went from Roschi being mason to Rocshi being cop.

I want this mason matter to be settled so that we can move on to other targets.

[Nick]

For me Masons in this setup is an unstoppable force. Normally we don't want to reveal to avoid getting killed/roleblock thus fail to recruit. We do not have reports of roleblockers. And it's a good opportunity for investigator to hunt actress/GF/lawyer.

[BorkBot]

Yes, what you did yesterday was scummy as shit. You started calling me scum because I refused to jump on your lynch train.

Lie some more?

Just in case people can't remember my reasons for calling FrostByte's behaviour scummy initially, I'll quote myself.

I honestly feel like Kony needs to be modkilled and replaced for being a useless fucking troll in this game. On the other hand, it's obvious that he's a smurf. I feel like his true COM name would had to have been researched by the host and the host would had to have deemed him trustworthy enough to allow him to play, so he may actually be just hiding under the troll disguise after all.

This seems like a scummy excuse not to lynch Kony. We all know that trolling will not result in a modkill because it's possible to troll as a strategy, even if the results are questionable. It's not like he's inactive and not allowing any sort of read on him. It's almost as if you're begging for time to talk some sense into kony tonight.

I see no reason for that.

Unvote Fragos

Vote Kony

You admit that Kony is useless and scummy, but in the same post you're urging us to ignore him because he should be modkilled and replaced, even though he you hint at knowing that he won't be. You give no further comments on how you think we should deal with Kony, which implicitly suggests that we should let it slide for now. This reasoning is kind of like offering someone diplomatic immunity while you think they might be guilty of a crime. It's completely silly and it makes no sense.

I gave my explanations why I thought FrostByte's comments on Kony were suspicious in the same post where I voted Kony. Therefore "my lynch train" as FrostByte calls it did not exist and I couldn't call him out for not jumping on it.

So tell me FrostByte, do you think it's understandable that I called you out for the reasons mentioned?

And if yes, how is it possible that my reasons eluded you while they have been there in the day 2 thread all along?

Why is it that you tried to put different words in my mouth? Not once, but three times already, all on the same subject?

[BorkBot]

For me Masons in this setup is an unstoppable force. Normally we don't want to reveal to avoid getting killed/roleblock thus fail to recruit. We do not have reports of roleblockers. And it's a good opportunity for investigator to hunt actress/GF/lawyer.

There's a fallacy in this post. I'm sure you can figure it ot by yourself.

[clementine]

Nick, do you remember when I said that the investigation result for masons and mafia is the same: citizen/mason/veteran/gf/actress/lawyer. This is so unsettling for me because if I investigate the gf or an actress or lawyer, who is pretending to be mason, it will show up with the "right" result. Godfather is immune to detection, and an actress can easily pose as a citizen as well, rendering the fake masons utterly immune to detection by the cops or investigators. I will wait to see if GrimDemon is able to respond with the mason code in a timely manner. If too long goes by without his post, I will find that highly suspicious.

[clementine]

*Hypothetically if I was an investigator, if I were to investigate a gf/actress/lawyer, it would come up the same result as cit/mason which is problematic if the gf/actress/lawyer says they are mason in the first place.