M-FM VII Gamethread

[Blazer]

Masons got a result on you when you failed to be recruited. I was bluffing, but now we have solid mason evidence to show that you are not town. You are therefore either Town PR or mafia or neutral (jester?)

The results of my bluff produced a result, and while the original bluff reason for my vote is no longer valid, the fail to be recruited by masons is, I believe, a valid reason to pressure you and/or lynch you.

Maybe I'm just upset that you didn't let me replace into your Death Note S-FM :P

You contradict yourself. You are definitely not town. Either that or a useless town role.

[clementine]

I still think it is a mistake to lynch potential GF. That' is the only leverage town has over orange mafia. Regardless of what CmG is, here is what I think mafia roles are:


Godfather -
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia Role -

Janitor -
Consort - Blazer
Consig - Dust

Possible names to fill in my list: Rihfok, BorkBot, Nick, Goremancer, CmG.... Nothing yet is conclusive.

I'd be anxious to see what CmG, Nick, BorkBot, and FrostByte have to think about all this, as I think their previous experience in forum mafia might shed some light where I have none (regarding metagame, etc) and if they think my theory is valid.

[Blazer]

I say we pressure Clementine today and see how much she squeals. If worst come to worst, we can lynch her.
She already has no credibility so I would like to see how to tries to wiggle out of being lynched. Will she then say oh no i jking im a town PR dun lynch me plz?

[Dust]

I still think it is a mistake to lynch potential GF. That' is the only leverage town has over orange mafia. Regardless of what CmG is, here is what I think mafia roles are:


Godfather -
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia Role -

Janitor -
Consort - Blazer
Consig - Dust

Possible names to fill in my list: Rihfok, BorkBot, Nick, Goremancer, CmG.... Nothing yet is conclusive.

I'd be anxious to see what CmG, Nick, BorkBot, and FrostByte have to think about all this, as I think their previous experience in forum mafia might shed some light where I have none (regarding metagame, etc) and if they think my theory is valid.

Why do you believe the death note? It's from the mafia. Do you know something we don't?

[Dust]

Why do you believe the death note? It's from the mafia. Do you know something we don't?

talking about the fabricator in the red mafia

[Blazer]

You already know all of the OJ mafia roles eh? Interesting.

[clementine]

Either:
A. You are orange mafia consig, and Red mafia has a fabricator
OR
B. You are town investigator and it is inconclusive whether red mafia has a fabricator or not.

I'm inclined to believe A, because it honestly makes the most sense to me. Why else would you and Blazer be pushing to lynch me or CmG if you were not orange mafia. You guys NEED town to lynch the godfather or else in the event of a mafia on mafia scenario, red mafia WINS because of godfather night immunity. The only way town can hold this leverage over you not to kill us is by forcing orange mafia to kill red mafia while red mafia kills town or orange mafia.

Doesn't anybody else see this? I would rather random lynch somebody who has no chance of being masoned in the hopes that they are a support member of the mafia before I would lynch the godfather, at least at this point. Don't help the orange mafia. This is the only way! We can get red mafia later.

[clementine]

I have nothing to lose. I will be masoned tonight and cleared of suspicion.

My "claiming investigator" gambit has paid off and revealed two of the orange mafia. :]

I will claim again in case Grim didn't see this yet.
I AM CITIZEN. GriM, please recruit me tonight! :]
Also Grim, please respond to this post to indicate that you saw my plea for recruitment. :]

[clementine]

You already know all of the OJ mafia roles eh? Interesting.

Because I am smart. Point out a flaw in my logic and I will acknowledge it and re-evaluate my opinion. Claiming it's interesting because I have pieced together connections about what has happened does nothing to change my point of view. It does deepen my opinion of you and Dust's guilt. Please respond. Tell me where I am wrong. Tell me how this doesn't make sense. Tell me why you are NOT consort or janitor. If you are not, then I am missing vital information that could clear you and implicate someone else.

[CmG]

My thoughts are clear about this read my scum lists i posted on Day1 and the list i posted on Day 3 when i was interviewed. Also Its funny how everybody thinks there was only 1 Mason from start in this setup and totaly neglected the possibility of 2 starting Masons.

I highly doubt that Dust is the investigator at this point he was too much of a middle field player over 4 Days. Keep in mind that it is a better strategy for the Mafia to find the other Mafia members first because they are only 3 instead of possible TPR and neutrals. In the end you will only win if you eliminate Town and Mafia. Since the Godfather has night immunity they try to lynch their suspect. A lynched cit is a huge boon as well since the Masons are the strongest force town has in this setup.

I don´t believe your claim and i don´t believe that you have investigated me at this point. I believe Phyr was probably the investigator and you try a gambit at this point.

Does somebody feel the urge to counterclaim?

[Blazer]

Because I am smart. Point out a flaw in my logic and I will acknowledge it and re-evaluate my opinion. Claiming it's interesting because I have pieced together connections about what has happened does nothing to change my point of view. It does deepen my opinion of you and Dust's guilt. Please respond. Tell me where I am wrong. Tell me how this doesn't make sense. Tell me why you are NOT consort or janitor. If you are not, then I am missing vital information that could clear you and implicate someone else.

Kill me and you will be shown teh facts. I am not OJ mafia. You will look like a dumba** lololol. Kill me plz. I want to show Clementine how retarded he is! <3

[Dust]

If I weren't mistaken, you seem to focus solely on the GF part of that investigation message. I am looking at a holistic approach. In my experience, people tend to focus on their own role (I did it early on in my games).

It's scummy as hell.

Clementine's change in demeanor and her accusations of me lead me to believe that I investigated scum on night 1.

-vote clementine

CmG, do you disagree with your investigation message? If you do then that's scummy because I am the investigator. I can prove it by telling the result on Fragos.

[clementine]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

[Blazer]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

Actually I haven't pretended to be anything. You just don't understand.

[Dust]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

You must be smoking something. I am the investigator. Just because you think that I'm orange mafia and trying to lynch the GF doesn't make me orange mafia. I'm the invest trying to lynch scum. You're only putting suspicion on me today, when having the masons come and recruit you (if you are indeed a citizen, which I doubt now) and perhaps confirm or lynch you tomorrow.

Take some of your own advice. Wait. And perhaps another investigation role has another lead so we can put this off. At the moment, it's you and CmG.

[Dust]

CmG, you do realize that you sound scummy when you doubt my claim when clementine confirmed that I was an investigative role? This is no gambit. This is me, telling you that I'm investigator and that I have a lynch group today because roles don't match up.

And to the metagaming part of your doubt, I always try different things each game. I happened to not have a lot of time during this M-FM so I made a compromise (I had another tactic I wanted to try out), I would stay in the mid-field.

Want me to reveal what type of role Fragos is so he can either confirm or deny what I've said?

[BorkBot]

I am slightly worried that clementine is steering for a double mason recruit failure, seeing as they are apparently easy to manipulate. Your suggestion to recruit Blazer based on nothing is extremely scummy.

Dust, what's your opinion on Nick?

[CmG]

I wont agree nor deny at this point out of obvious reasons you seem to neglect at this point my Friend.

[Rihfok]

I'm back from sleep, but I'll be going to school in an hour, so I ask you to not hammer anyone for the next 10 hours, once I come back from school, I will have very important things to say, and I want to be ready to answer to any questions that will come.

As I have just said, I will not be voting anyone right now.
Please be patient.
Dust claiming Inves messed up my thoughts.

[Dust]

I am slightly worried that clementine is steering for a double mason recruit failure, seeing as they are apparently easy to manipulate. Your suggestion to recruit Blazer based on nothing is extremely scummy.

Dust, what's your opinion on Nick?

He needs to claim something soon or I will be more suspicious of him than I am already. He hasn't posted yet so I don't know when that'll be.

I might check him tonight if he doesn't claim.

[Dust]

I wont agree nor deny at this point out of obvious reasons you seem to neglect at this point my Friend.

About lynching the GF part? I thought I answered that in my interaction with clementine. I just know that one of you is scum. GF is one of the possible roles, yes. But isn't lynching a possible scum better than letting him go?

[Rihfok]

About lynching the GF part? I thought I answered that in my interaction with clementine. I just know that one of you is scum. GF is one of the possible roles, yes. But isn't lynching a possible scum better than letting him go?

It might be better, but losing another town to lynch would be fatal, and I promise that you will have much to think after I write my big post after school.

[CmG]

Well you assume. That one of us is scum. There is a difference my friend. Even if we pretend that the citize slot was filled with the journalist there is still the possibility of 2 starting masons and the masons actually failed to recruit on a night and never mentioned it, or there is 1 additional mason around.

Also the possibility of a framer comes to my mind as well.

Like i said lets wait a bit. I can claim any time its not a big deal. The question is if its neccesary at this point.

Btw your claim took its time.

[Blazer]

This is the make it or break it time. Town is running out of options. We must act.

[Rihfok]

This is the make it or break it time. Town is running out of options. We must act.

It is, but I once again ask you to wait some more hours, I will have the whole evening free, it will be VERY important.

[Blazer]

It is, but I once again ask you to wait some more hours, I will have the whole evening free, it will be VERY important.

Ok. I will go to sleep, wake up, take an exam, come back.

[Fragos]

Good morning everyone.

Dust, are you really town investigator? Do you already figured out who I am? Do you understand what I tried to do in the following two days?

[Fragos]

Since one of the mafia groups has a janitor that can clean last wills, I will reveal my role to town soon.

I'm not going to do this now, but after I return from work, a large wall of text will be incoming. So don't lynch anyone yet, I need to collect more information from Day 3 discussion.

[Fragos]

And Dust, I don't believe yet that you are town investigator, especially after seeing clementine's false claim, so that's why I'm going to do this soon.

Just for goodness sake don't lynch anyone until I return from work. This should be done in 10 hours.

[clementine]

GriM I am citizen. Recruit me plz! :]

[Fragos]

clementine lied. He lied about Blazer's role, so why we should even believe him now?

At the same time, I would also like to hear what will CmG says in his defense. Unless he was the hidden mason recruited by Grim.

[clementine]

clementine lied. He lied about Blazer's role, so why we should even believe him now?

T.T isn't that what you call WIFOM? T.T
Trying to be a target to die and protect town PR and let them work. :]
I was wifoming pr as citizen. I kept hinting that sumikoko should recruit me tho... If you look back through my posts you can see me hinting at it.... Yet I was never recruited yet... So might as well be as blatant as possible yeah?

GriM, I am citizen. Please recruit me!

[Fragos]

Grim, what do you think? Is clementine really citizen? We need your responce as well.

[GriM-DeMoN]

Ill recruit Clementine tonight.
I Think Blazer is Mafia we were saying to recruit him in Mason Chat because we belived he was Citizen failed to recruit him though.
Then ill try CMG.

Right now my Scum list is
Blazer,CmG

[clementine]

Yay, thanks GriM! :]

[Kony]

hello kony here

[Goremancer]

Hi guys. We are here. We believe CmG is scum. Because he is always scum.

[Kromos]

Blazer (5) : GriM-DeMoN, Deathfire123, Ubernox, clementine, Rocshi
Rihfok (1) : BorkBot
clementine (2) : Blazer, Dust

You need 8 votes to lynch. Remember that a lynch will end the day early.

[GriM-DeMoN]

I say we lynch Blazer I can take a Jester win.
We need to lynch

[clementine]

unvote Blazer

Hey, I'm gonna unvote just because I want to hear from Rihfok and Fragos who said they had something urgent to share. I don't want day to end before they get a chance to come back.

[Rihfok]

I'm back for the moment.
I know this will cause chaos and many won't believe me...
I am Investigator
I was trying to not get to anyone's radar, but that failed.
Night 1 I didn't know who to check, so I went random, and checked BorkBot.
It came out as Citizen / Mason / Veteran / Godfather / Actress / Lawyer, so I decided to keep an eye on him.
Night 2 I checked Dust, since he was suspicioous to me, and I got Investigator / Consigliere, I wanted to make a surprise with this today, but he beat me by time and announced himself, so I can only confirm that he is some kind of investigative role.
BorkBot was blocked night 2, as he claimed, and since there was no Preserver attack, and the Preservers have a Godfather, it was the alarm for me and I tried to press him, but I failed since I had no real arguments against him without revealing.
Night 3 I checked Nick, since he was suspicious too... and I got Coroner / Janitor, and I was surprised when we had a Janitor clean this day, so it also rings for me that Nick is one of the Mafia.
I didn't got interviewed or attacked, so Preservers are trying to throw guilt at me, as I think Bor was the GF and got blocked.
Naturally I now say that Dust is Consigliere, and he will say the same to me, but this will be difficult for me to win, as both Nick and BorkBot will try to defend cleverly (if they really are Mafia), try to WIFOM and seem to believe, or perhaps they are Town, but I doubt it, I don't think anyone got framed, since roughly everything fits, although I could be wrong.

I am ready to answer any questions.

[Rihfok]

I also know that even if I die noone might trust me, as I might get cleaned after death leaving confusion.

[GriM-DeMoN]

Nick is Janitor Borkbot is Godfather Dust is consigliere good leads.
If theres a Vigilanite shoot nick.

For now -Vote Borkbot
Gf first

[Rihfok]

Nick is Janitor Borkbot is Godfather Dust is consigliere good leads.
If theres a Vigilanite shoot nick.

For now -Vote Borkbot
Gf first

Well, I'm kinda surprised that you suddenly agreed with me and not Dust, as I was expecting a lot of distrust.
Well, in my eyes this is the right thing to do:
-vote BorkBot

[clementine]

Rihfok, I believe you. Your story makes a lot more sense to me than Dust's. (Especially after Dust and Blazer started trying to lynch me...) >.>

With your new information, here is what I believe the mafia roles to look like:

Godfather - Bork Bot
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia -(Dirty Sleuth?)


Janitor - Nick
Consigliere - Dust
Consort - Blazer


And GriM, did you read my posts? At this point, I believe the best action for the town is to NOT lynch suspected godfather, but to lynch a different mafia member. Remember, the godfather can only kill (and is night immune), so the godfather won't be able to investigate our roles or role block us or sanitize our last wills. What we should do today is take out either Janitor, Consig, or consort in order to force the orange mafia to attack non-godfather red mafia at night (or else orange mafia is sure to lose.) This is honestly the only strategy I can think of for town because I don't think we have a vigi. (Hopefully we do). Of course, if orange mafia decides to just attack town anyway, then idk.... I have to think about this a little more. I seriously think we should consider lynching the Janitor or Consort first though.

[clementine]

PLEASE! We need to think about this before we lynch godfather. If we help orange mafia lynch godfather, then they have no incentive to kill red mafia instead of town!

[Rihfok]

Alright.
-unvote BorkBot
This is a critical choice and we need to think this through.

[Rihfok]

I will first like to hear something from Nick, but taking out the Janitor might be a huge plus, since from that moment we will always know the role of the dead person.
I don't know yet, I need to think this through right now.

[clementine]

Let me break it down for you:
Today: 3 red mafia, 3 orange mafia, 1 neutral, 8 town.

Town wants to position so that we maintain majority until the end so we can lynch (because I don't think we have a vigi. We need orange or red mafia to turn on the other and start killing.
Orange mafia doesn't want to end up 1v1 vs the godfather because he is immune at night, and would "break the tie" if numbers are even. Because of this, orange mafia either has to ally with the neutral or go into the last lynch day 2orange vs. 1 red (gf) OR last night 2 orange vs. 1 red mafia not godfather so they can kill at night
It is my opinion that orange mafia NEEDS town's help to lynch the godfather because we have number advantage at this point. It sure sounds good to lynch the godfather, but honestly, we could get rid of a role blocker to let our doctor have unblocked heals. We could get rid of the janitor to be able to see people's roles. We will need to get rid of the godfather at some point, but I think it's best to wait as long as possible to see the orange mafia members get nervous. They'll start worrying that they'll end up in an unwinnable situation simply because godfather is invulnerable at night. This is a weakness that we MUST exploit to the best of our abilities.

Red mafia has to make it to the end in equal numbers or less to win. 3red vs. 3 town/oj mafia. Either way they win because they have the kills and immunity. They are the most powerful right now, especially since we have not confirmed hardly any of their members yet.

The way we need to frame this is to make a lynch that puts orange mafia in an increasingly uncomfortable position until they are forced to ally with the town. In this way, orange mafia will have incentive NOT to target town because they need our votes to help them get the godfather (and we WILL help lynch the godfather, but this should be done later rather than sooner).

I guess I just fear that unless we start applying pressure on the orange mafia SOON, we will suffer 2 town deaths per night. Right now, I feel like our best option might be to lynch 1 orange mafia today and threaten to lynch another unless they attack a red mafia member tonight. Then we can start going after red mafia with orange mafia on board. Has anyone else thought forward to the end game of this forum mafia? Quite honestly I haven't had a chance to map out all the possible scenarios to make a 100% informed decision, but after the consideration I have put in so far, lynching orange mafia today seems like our best bet.

[clementine]

To everybody, please post your opinion on who we should lynch today.

In honor of Phyr... :[
Vote:
Janitor - clementine
Consort - clementine
Godfather -
Other (please add to this list) -