Hello there

[fm Philie]

Only 5 lynches was a bit of a disapointment. First of all, I do have a gun. Second, am I the only jailed person. Thirdly, why was Illidan released when he appeared so scummy?

[fm Philie]

I all alone

[Stranger]

Not anymore.

Hi, I'm Vornskr.
You are the only prisoner tonight. Last night was the only multi-prisoner night.

I let Illidan go because Goremancer, the doctor (not a thief), confirmed Illidan as a bus driver with FalseTruth's lastwill. I will get that last will asap.

[Stranger]

This is Gore's action list. Let me get Illidan's action list.

Doctor here. I confirm Illidan as Bus Driver. I checked FalseTruth. Here is his last will:

So apparently I died. That sucks. I was a Private Investigator and here were my night actions:


1. Watch Lysergic: Oops_ur_dead and BlastYoBoots visited him.


2. Watch Oops_ur_dead: Illidan visited him.


3. Follow Illidan


Now, at first I thought Illidan had to be a bus driver, because someone else said they were driven as well. But then I went into conspiracy theory mode and figured since there's likely role overlap with in the mafia team, it's very possible they have two hookers using pills, making it possible to create the illusion of a bus driver.


I had hoped to "confirm" Illidan as the bus driver by seeing him follow two different people (and help level up my detective skill next) or accuse him in the day of being a hooker. Unfortunately, it looks like I won't know the answer to that question now.


In terms of scum tells, I haven't really been keeping any notes on a game of this size, and I was way off base with my feeling of Elixir, so my best advice would be to follow Oops_ur_dead, at least he knows what's up.


TheWaaagh out. Now you know who I am, so start acting more like me fm TheWaaagh. God damnit.

Actions:
1. Autopsie Raiden, visited by Masons
2. Heal Ganondorf (successfully)
3. Level up, witched on myself
4. Heal Narks, Autopsie FalseTruth.

[fm Philie]

Okay. Looks like preaty conclusive evidence. I'll just check the rules just to look at any possible ways that Illidan may not be bus driver.

[Stranger]

This is Illidan's first post on night 4.

Well then, everyone seems to think the jailor is dead. Good to see that you are still around, except this is not the way I wanted to find that out...

I won't be able to save anyone tonight. Now what made you jail me exactly out of all people?

My drives for N1 and N2 are already known: N1 Narks and Kromos, N2 Oops and Auckmid

N3 it was Luna and FalseTruth. You should see them claiming this the next day and that will prove my role since nobody was told who was bus driven on night 3 during the blackout.

I was also followed by a detective on night 3, so thats who was saying I am confirmed town if you remember that post.


There are all my notes:

Narks = bussed and claimed late. Tries hard to be helpful and appear town. Could be town, but could be not. Gave some bullshit speech
about "if X dies then Y is confirmed BLAH and S is confirmed SHIT". Claimed Mason after getting voted and Luna confirmed this claim.
I lean towards believing him.

Kromos = bussed and did not claim. One post on day 1 saying he has to catch up. Lurking scum? Later posted some useless crap and still
did not claim bussed. Voted Claw for fail bandwagon reasons and STILL did not claim bussed. Claimed Private Eye on day 2 and finally
said he was bussed. I tend to believe him, but he might be killed by the mafia soon. Gave his private eye results which helps town
pin Lysergic as scum. I believe he is really a Private Eye as he claims.

Auckmid = posts useless posts explaining his vote to lynch Claw. likely mafia, means Claw is not.
Continues to fail by hinting that Claw really is town (or just not mafia).
Appeases town by saying the obvious. Responded to my vote with concerned questions. See my notes on suicidal for more info.
Bussed on night 2 but did not claim on day 2. Suspicious replies on day 2. Tried to lynch oops.
Finally claimed bussed far later but that doesn't clear him of anything. Jumping on Zack - this is the only time he
actually doesn't look like scum. So Zack isn't on his team? Voted Lysergic! Bussing his mafia to gain cred?
Auckmid is not cleared. SCUM ALERT

Lysergic = FalseTruth? Trying hard to get rid of Claw... Scum methinks. Was pushing hard before it was evident that Claw lied. Claims
roledblocked on night 1 by a hooker who left him a note. Copped out of the Claw lynch and then resumed it after Claw claimed Mason
Leader. Said the rules are mafia-favored = wifom or serious? Responded with anger to Yayap's dumb act, success for Yayap? Ignoring
the obvious situation of CLAW BEING JESTER. If he is FalseTruth then he is not that stupid. He knows whats up. This guy is scum.
Trying to lynch the gullible oops. Judging by his day 2 posts he is not FalseTruth. His replies to my accusation have confirmed him
as Mafia. I accused him of being scum and he slipped by saying I accused him of being mafia (scum is not necessarily mafia). He said
something along the lines of "Town will lose if you lynch me", this is a classic defense by scum roles in SC2 mafia. Claimed Private Eye
after Kromos' claim. Is this believable or not? I still think he is SCUM.

Luna = similar to auckmid, seems less stupid. But actually is stupid for saying "confirmed scum" on day 1. Lurked and probably didn't
even see my vote. Possible scum. Claimed Mason and Narks confirmed this. I lean towards believing this claim.

Yayap = Suspicious reaction to Zane's trolling. Could be just a dumb idiot. Or could be acting dumb to fish out smart townies with
the need to correct him and kill them at night. Or acting dumb to fish out smart scum who "try to help". Most likely really acting
dumb on purpose to annoy people and make them slip up. Died.

Plato = again, like Auckmid and Luna gives fail reasons for lynch by stating what has already been said. Keep in mind Auckmid is more
scummy though. Responded to people voting him with "troll" to appear indiffrent. Continues trolling and voting together with other
mafia-suspects on day 2. Likely scum.

Capitalier = Trolling to survive? He speaks of town as if he isn't part of it. Claimed Sheriff, seems believable despite claiming that
Narks the Mason is mafia. Narks is a high profile target and thus very likely to have been framed. Still this guy must be questioned
every day!

BlastYoBoots = Acting stupid and rude on purpose. Too obvious about it, probably town PR. Will he survive?

MrSmarter = Useless obvious comments. "Curious to see what Claw is". Telling vigi who to shoot. Mafia?

FalseTruth = Tries hard to throw off Ganondorf's suspicions of him. Appeases by saying "Claw is the better lynch of course". Emphasys
on the use of the phrase "of course". Ignored my vote on him. Tried to lynch Philie on day 2. Votes with the mafia-crowd. SCUM ALERT

suicidalnoob = Apparently sided with Auckmid? I believe he's been pretending to be blackmailed and forced to vote a target when the
real blackmail was on someone else entirely or not even used at all. If he really was blackmailed then Auckmid is the blackmailer?
Nominates Auckmid for town MVP... Again, either mafia with Auckmid or Auckmid is buying his trust because he knows suicidal is
blackmailed SINCE AUCKMID BLACKMAILED HIM. Dissapointed with Auckmid, there is definitely a tie between these two - there are only
two options here, or a less likely third: Auckmid is still mafia but not the Blackmailer. Still acting suspicious even on day 2.
This guy is variable, lynch Auckmid first. Was attacked at day by FalseTruth who I suspect to be in league with the mafia, this hints
at him not being mafia. But he still could be something that is not town.

oops = town who knows Claw and thinks he's town, but Claw is jester and rejected his help. Overly trusting of the clown Claw. Bussed
on night 2 and did not claim. Defended Narks the Mason from lynch. Claimed Escort and then also claimed bussed, I believe him. Protect
him doc!

McPwnage = Very soon after my accusation of Lysergic he began discrediting me for not much reason. Either he is an extremely paranoid
townie (unlikely) or he is a part of the mafia along with Lysergic. Trying to vote Philie along with the mafia-crowd. Said that mafia
would use drugs on themselves to test them out, this is a lie intended to get Philie the drugged non-mafia lynched. Mafia would not
test the drugs on their own team no matter how smart that idea seems - its not smart at all. This guy is Scum. Tried to lynch Narks
after the Mason claim on grounds that "if there's no cult there are no masons". Someone needs to shoot this guy.

Zack = Joined the lynch on Narks for dubious reasons by believing McPwnage the scum. Jumping on Kromos to lynch him. This guy seemed
town on day 1 but on day 2 his scum level is rising through the roof. Attacked Auckmid, they are both scum but not on the same team.
Claimed being philie and Citizen. Really? If the Masons don't confirm him as one of them he is still a suspect.

I jailed Narks on night 3. He told me who the mason leader was and we set up a code to let me know who the mason recruit was. When Narks indicated that Crimson was a mason I started to doubt whether or not they really are masons. But since both Luna and Crimson died I have full confidence in Zack and Narks. BTW All my jailed targets know who I am.

[fm Philie]

Also, do you feel comfortable telling me your COM identidy? You don't need to if you don't feel comfortable.

[Stranger]

But now you know why I'm so confident in day chat that I can clear myself at any time I want. Illidan, Gore, and I set up a code so that we don't all protect the same person so we can cover quite a bit of ground. AFAIK Gore is protecting Illidan and Illidan is switching me with one of his scum subjects (we discussed people last night).

[Stranger]

Also, do you feel comfortable telling me your COM identidy? You don't need to if you don't feel comfortable.

Everybody knows that I am Dust so it doesn't really matter if I tell you or not. What matters is what your COM name is.

[fm Philie]

Everybody knows that I am Dust so it doesn't really matter if I tell you or not. What matters is what your COM name is.

Just confirming.

Looked at the rules, and don't see any possible loopholes. Looks like Illidan is confirmed town.

[fm Philie]

testing

[fm Philie]

Just checking to see if my post count goes up.

[Stranger]

Just confirming.

Looked at the rules, and don't see any possible loopholes. Looks like Illidan is confirmed town.

Especially because the accusation against him was that he was the GF. On night 4, I did a reaction test on him. I told him I was going to kill him and he said that it was all just an ego trip for me. He also guessed my COM name from that test >.>

Let me get all the codes....

[Stranger]

Illidan Bus code:
During the day I will quote the scum target I bussed with one of you and say "I am the wind", "woosh", or use my I R BABOON speech instead.

Illidan disguiser check:
Disguise checks: My avatar is a drawing of Tyrande (notice the woman in there?) and Illidan taken from DeviantArt. A nickname I use in some MMORPG's is Arion. I have a dog named Suki.

Illidan's blackmailed code:
Also my code for being blackmailed: Zeal.

Gore all code:

01-fm Admiral
02-fm Ambient
03-fm Auckmid
04-fm BlastYoBoots
05-fm CptKirk
06-fm Crimson
07-fm Dark.Revenant
08-fm Deathfire123
09-fm Dimwit
10-fm Echonian
11-fm Ganondorf
12-fm Goonswarm
13-fm Goremancer
14-fm Guardian
15-fm HerrZynisch
16-fm Illidan
17-fm Kevinpowers
18-fm Luna
19-fm McPwnage
20-fm Miles
21-fm MrSmarter
22-fm Muso
23-fm Narks
24-fm Nick
25-fm NorthStar
26-fm Oops_ur_dead
27-fm Philie
28-fm Plato
29-fm Procyon
30-fm Rumpel
31-fm Sumikoko
32-fm TheWaaagh
33-fm Vornskr
34-fm Zack
35-fm Zane

Here is a list of all living players. I suggest that I will use a code word and write it as the #th word to let you know who I will heal. Do you know a good code word? (I suggest "retard".)
We need a blackmailed check and a disguiser check. If I am blackmailed I will write that my profile picture is Biara from HoMM5. (Am I allowed to do this?) If you think that I am disguised, just ask about my role, name and profile picture in FM4. (Citizen, Edmundo, Alucard)

Gore suggesting bus driver code:
Illidan, I will quote the one who I think should be bussed and write a few words in ALL CAPS in the same post.

Vornskr Codes:

If I am blackmailed I will say that "In hindsight, my avatar suggests my role as being a mayor"

If you need a disguiser check then ask me how my role is linked to my avatar (Jimmy McMillan -> Black Politician -> Alan Keyes -> Keys -> Jailor)

[fm Philie]

Since I have a gun, and I am completely roleblocked in jail, this may be my only jail stay. I'll still be immune for tonight, but you releasing me is a move people will be unlikely to expect, and shall allow me to go gangster tommoro.

[Stranger]

Oh, I forgot to mention that remember that I said I thought I was drugged last night? Here's the PM:

Night 5 results PM

You released both your prisoners...

You had fun with a hooker last night too.. you were roleblocked.

I just looked at Gore's thief claim again. He really is smart.

I was planning on releasing you tomorrow. I also will write up a message for the town.

[Stranger]

Oh and the Narks mason code is this:
Quote or address recruit with an invisible dot underneath. Too bad Admiral picked up on that...

[fm Philie]

Lastly, before I turn off my computer, I would like you to give me all your opinions on these 2 players; Blastyoboots and Plato.

[Stranger]

Plato is either a stupid scum bastard or a really, really bad sheriff. I'm inclined to think that he's scum because every time he reveals his results, the person he checked was just cleared of being mafia. I don't think that he is a sheriff at all.

BlastYoBoots (IMHO) is a spy or scum. I want to know why he has his writing style sound so stupid. I tend to think that it's to hide personal scumtells. So, that is why I was asking him to reveal and you can see how when I ask, the masons and my ex-prisoners follow me.

[Stranger]

If you look on day 4, on replies 34 and 314 you will see the invisible dot indicating Zack's and Crimson's mason statuses.

[Stranger]

Here is the message from the jailor:
THIS IS THE JAILOR SPEAKING. I HAVE GIVEN PHILIE A LIST OF CLEARED TOWNIES. DO NOT DOUBT HER WHEN SHE SAYS WHO IS CLEARED OR WHO IS NOT. ALL PRECIOUS PRISONERS I HAVE GIVEN PHILIE YOUR CODES. TAKE CODES FROM HER AS YOU WOULD FROM ME.

It's shorter this time but it's all that's needed.

[fm Philie]

This is realy my last post of the day.

The reasons I asked about those 2 is because Plato was on my D1 scumlist, and hasn't done much other then claim to get his way off. His death may realy help give us some reads, so I am strongly sizing him up for my shooting target.

Blastyoboots is realy hard for me to get a clear read on because he is acting like a "competent troll". He is almost certainly acting the way he is to further his own goals, but as I said, I have a very hard time reading trolls.

Night night.

[Stranger]

You need a code to let me know if you're blackmailed. Another code that would be good to have is one saying "I want to be jailed, I feel threatened" and I'll see what I can do.

[Stranger]

Oh, if I want to execute I will quote my future target and say "as hell" somewhere in my post.

[fm Philie]

If I am blackmailed, my first post will include something about me shoveling snow. If I want to be jailed again, then I shall say in my post "I'm realy tired right now"

[fm Philie]

While you made some of your opinions know last day, what is your exact scumlist? If you were in my position, who would you recommend lynching/killing?

[Stranger]

I would suggest getting Plato to give his results from this night ASAP.
If he does not then lynch Admiral. Admiral is hiding something. The mafia may have shot Luna because ya know what? The masons tried to recruit Admiral on night 5.

Rumpel has been increasingly scummy.
Ganon has not yet proven his role.
Ambient is scummy. He thought the Masons were lying and since I know that they are not lying I see that as scummy.
TheWaaagh is unlikely to be the real Muso. It is possible that he is Fragos (Though I don't see how that's proven 100%).
Auckmid is a possible GF since he might think it worth it to lure the ML to recruit him.
BlastYoBoots needs to claim. If he claims citizen, lynch him. He is no citizen.

Those are my general scum suspects.

as an unrelated note, I feel that I will be attacked this night. Thankfully, Illidan will switch me with one of those people.

[Stranger]

Here is the roles list as I see it atm:
Mafia
01- GodFather (cannot be hidden role)
02- Dark Thief-Archangel
03- Mafioso-Elixir
04- Framer-Fred
05- Hooker-Dimwit
06- Hidden Mafia-mafioso-JackofSpades?
07- Hidden Mafia
08- Hidden Mafia
09- Hidden Mafia
10- Hidden Mafia



Neutrals
11- Arsonist-Yayap
12- Arsonist
13- Student-Black Wizard
14- Black Wizard-Herr
15- Survivor/Gunsmith-echonian
16- Jester-Claw
51- Cult Leader-Raiden



Town
17- Mayor-Philie
18- Jailor-Vornskr
19- Sheriff-Plato????
20- Private Eye-Kromos
21- Doctor-Goremancer
22- Blacksmith Deathfire was Blacksmith before modkill
23- Hidden-MikeVipe-Bodyguard
24- Hidden-Monster-Likely veteran
25- Hidden-Lysergic-PI (likely)
26- Hidden-Private eye-FalseTruth
27- Hidden-Escort-Oops_ur_dead
28- Hidden-Bus Driver-Illidan
29- Hidden-Mason Leader-Luna
30- Hidden-Thief-Procyon
31- Hidden-BodyGuard-Ganondorf?
32- Hidden
33- Hidden
34- Hidden
35- Hidden
36- Hidden
37- Hidden
38- Hidden
39- Hidden
40- Cit/mason-Narks
41- Cit/mason-Zack
42- Cit/mason-Crimson
43- Cit-CptKirk
44- Cit-Zane
45- Cit-Auckmid?
46- Cit McPwnage use to be cit before modkill
47- Cit-MrSmarter?
48- Cit-Nick
49- Cit-Northstar
50- Cit Landstander use to be cit before modkill



Random Any
1- Neutral Amnesiac -> Student (McPwnage)
2- Mafia Amnesiac -> Dark Thief
3- Hidden (Landstander)
4- Hooker (Dimwit)
5- Survivor (deathfire123)
6- Hidden
7- Hidden
8- Hidden
9- Hidden

Names not used (to add to blank spots):
Admiral
Ambient
BlastYoBoots
Goonswarm
Guardian
Kevinpowers
Miles
Muso
Rumpel
Sumikoko
TheWaaagh

Can you make heads or tails of this? The modkills really mess things up.

[fm Philie]

Check my list for obvious flaws

Mafia
01- GodFather (cannot be hidden role) – Suicidaln00b
02- Dark Thief - Archangel
03- Mafioso - Elixir
04- Framer - Fred
05- Hooker - Dimwit
06- Hidden Mafia – Hooker – Oops_ur_dead
07- Hidden Mafia – Hooker - Lysergic
08- Hidden Mafia – Goonswarm
09- Hidden Mafia – Auckmid
10- Mafia Amnesiac -> Dark Thief - Sumikoko

Neutrals
11- Arsonist– TheWaaagh
12- Arsonist- Yapyap
13- Student - McPwnage
14- Black Wizard - Hyzerisch
15- Hidden – Admiral?
16- Jester - Claw

Town
17- Mayor (cannot be hidden role) – Me
18- Jailor (cannot be hidden role) – You
19- Sheriff – Capitilizer
20- Private Eye – FalseTruth
21- Doctor – Goremancer
23- Hidden – Doctor – Akira
24- Hidden – Mason Leader – Luna
25- Hidden – Private Eye – Kromos
26- Hidden – Bus Driver – Illidan
27- Hidden – Vigilante – Jack
28- Hidden – Miles?
29- Hidden – Sheriff – Capitilizer
30- Hidden – Veteran – Monster
31- Hidden – Bodyguard – Ganondorf
32- Hidden – Procyon
33- Hidden – Spy? – Blastyoboots
34- Hidden – Rumpel?
35- Hidden – Admiral?
36- Hidden – Sheriff - Plato?
50- Hidden – Blacksmith - Echocian
37- Mason – Narks
38- Mason – Zack
39- Cit – Kevinpowers
40- Cit – MrSmarter
41- Cit – Nick
42- Cit - Crimson
43- Cit - CptCirk
44- Cit - Zane

Random Any
45- Hidden (Landstander)
46- Survivor (deathfire123)
47- Hidden - Guardian
48- Hidden - Muso
49- Hidden - Northstar

[fm Philie]

Wait, Ambient was meant to be neutral. Oops.

[Stranger]

I actually believe that oops_ur_dead is the town escort. I think you misinterpreted his graveyard role (it says hooker). Its the same thing with the thief/dark thief and all that confusion.

That is a very optimistic view on the graveyard. Unfortunately things do not always go that way. I see it that there are perhaps 5 mafia (at least) are still alive. Rather than 3.

If you believe Procyon is a thief and he is telling the truth about his night actions then Jack is mafioso.

I see 3 sheriffs there in the list and two of them are Capitalier.

But ya. Those names that aren't in my list should claim. They are IMO the scum suspects.

I'm gonna say this and this is my own opinion on Modkills: They mess up the roles list so much it's not even funny. If anyone needs to be modkilled, switch the roles amongst themselves (3 modkilled, 1 cit, 1 town PR, 1 neutral. The roles switch so that the cit ->neutral. town PR ->cit. Neutral ->town PR) or give it to the active citizens.

[fm Philie]

You may be right. However, one good thing came from making this list. The current dark theif was modkilled day 1. As far as I can see, Sumi is the only living player who was modkilled day 1. Unless I am mistaken, that makes it very likely Sumi is the dark theif

[fm Philie]

I'm gonna say this and this is my own opinion on Modkills: They mess up the roles list so much it's not even funny. If anyone needs to be modkilled, switch the roles amongst themselves (3 modkilled, 1 cit, 1 town PR, 1 neutral. The roles switch so that the cit ->neutral. town PR ->cit. Neutral ->town PR) or give it to the active citizens.

My opinions on modkills are very simliar to yours. For the most part, this has been a great game, and I am secretly glad that day 5 wasn't a total bloodbath, even though only 5 hammers was a bit disapointing. However, in my opinion, the random any modkilling mechanic is preaty stupid. It dosn't just change the role of the account, it changes the very allignment of the acount.

[fm Philie]

That is a very optimistic view on the graveyard. Unfortunately things do not always go that way. I see it that there are perhaps 5 mafia (at least) are still alive. Rather than 3.

My view may be optimistic, but yours seems preaty pessimistic. 5 mafia is the maximum. I realy don't see how it's possible for there to be 6 or more mafis.

[Stranger]

Always be ready for the worst and you can't go wrong because when good happens, it only lessens your job. Ready for the best means that the bad makes the job greater. That is why I am pessimistic.

[Stranger]

You may be right. However, one good thing came from making this list. The current dark theif was modkilled day 1. As far as I can see, Sumi is the only living player who was modkilled day 1. Unless I am mistaken, that makes it very likely Sumi is the dark theif

AFAIK here's the list of people modkilled on day 1 (According to Nick):
McPwnage (dead), Vornskr (jailor), Sumikoko, Philie (Mayor), NorthStar, and Guardian

There's actually three suspects using that logic. I'd suggest a campaign to get these 3 to role claim.

[fm Philie]

Guardian went AFK again after the modkills. Dare say we can cross him out. Sumi and Northstar look like the best targets.

[fm Philie]

AFAIK here's the list of people modkilled on day 1 (According to Nick):
McPwnage (dead), Vornskr (jailor), Sumikoko, Philie (Mayor), NorthStar, and Guardian

There's actually three suspects using that logic. I'd suggest a campaign to get these 3 to role claim.

That was wrong. I wasn't modkilled day 1, I was given the "No talking" drug.

[Stranger]

Do not explain the logic we used to get those suspects. That would implicate me as the Jailor. Only do so if I reveal myself (I'm thinking about it) or I say "Lawl" instead of "lol".