S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I didn’t try to grab credit for the wasteland kill? Someone accused me of using Pink’s legacy to selectively push people — all I did was point out that I used pink’s legacy to bring wasteland up as well. And sure enough, I did. I asked Snail to consider wasteland due to pink’s legacy when he was vetoing shots on them.

From memory you did quite a bit more than just that. I remember specifically feeling that you were making it sound like they had FoSed me when from my memory they never did. They disagreed with my Early D1 push on them that was overstated to break RVS and they were flustered (understandably) that I had confused 2 separate conversations that had 3 people swapping around and seen inconsistent progression. But even when I addressed all their concerns they did not ever say they thought I was scum or anything of the sort. I do still need to go through you when I have the time but it did feel like you were misrepresenting Pink's views in some respects to push your agenda.

[FM-Smug Viking]

While I was handling some stuff this occurred to me. I trust that Happy drunk is town. -But- How much does everyone townread Viking independent of their little role ability?

100% they could have an ability that has hosts lie to Happy Drunk confirming them as town yet they are a wolf. We should not just accept them as confirmed town and should still read them based upon the merits of their actions and behaviors.

I should make a bastard neighborizer role for next KRC, no neighborhood is safe!

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I should make a bastard neighborizer role for next KRC, no neighborhood is safe!

That shit would be pretty sick. I do not remember many bastard mechanics in KRC but I would love to see them happen more. Would really shake up mechanical play in a fun way.

[FM-Wine Mom]

Yes. Very publicly and obviously. Would make them a stupid kill target for me if I was mafia.

This is what you had to say about Pink having pushed you. Why the complete 180 now saying that Pink never seriously pushed you? Earlier you admitted they pushed you “publicly and obviously”

[FM-Wine Mom]

Perhaps worth mentioning that Pink did not like Aliens.

And all I said about you in relation to Pink was this post — that’s it that’s the entire post. Doesn’t look like mischaracterizing Pink’s read or weaponizing it to push agenda.

Who’s misrepresenting now?

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

This is what you had to say about Pink having pushed you. Why the complete 180 now saying that Pink never seriously pushed you? Earlier you admitted they pushed you “publicly and obviously”

Ohhh fuck no. This is the type of shit I am talking about with you misrepresenting things. Lets see what I responded to-

Perhaps worth mentioning that Pink did not like Aliens.

Mmmmm. Yeah. Not "Pushed" 'Did not like.' Never "Scum read" like you are insinuating and there is no conflict there. I wish I had more time to call you out for your manipulative behavior and dig through you.

[FM-Wine Mom]

Ohhh fuck no. This is the type of shit I am talking about with you misrepresenting things. Lets see what I responded to-



Mmmmm. Yeah. Not "Pushed" 'Did not like.' Never "Scum read" like you are insinuating and there is no conflict there. I wish I had more time to call you out for your manipulative behavior and dig through you.

Yeah, is that not literally what you are saying happened? I’m genuinely confused

[FM-Wine Mom]

Anyone else reading this? Am I the crazy one

[FM-Wine Mom]

I don’t know why I’m bothering to engage in this back and forth when I’m not even currently scumming you. Why are you towning Mountain tops?

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I have no idea what you are even on about. In context you were FoSing people based on Pink. You added "Its worth mentioning Pink did not like Aliens"- which had the very blatantly obvious connotation of "Hey guys, maybe thats part of why Pink got killed, suspect Aliens."

You can quote it out of context and try to spin it if you want but yes- you were being manipulative then and you are being manipulative now.

[FM-Wine Mom]

I have no idea what you are even on about. In context you were FoSing people based on Pink. You added "Its worth mentioning Pink did not like Aliens"- which had the very blatantly obvious connotation of "Hey guys, maybe thats part of why Pink got killed, suspect Aliens."

You can quote it out of context and try to spin it if you want but yes- you were being manipulative then and you are being manipulative now.

I’m not denying that but I fail to see how that’s manipulative or misrepresentative? I am allowed to make inferences off the night kill. That’s part of the game, nothing personal. Ultimately I did not place you in my final ITA shot list.

[FM-Wine Mom]

This is what you had to say about Pink having pushed you. Why the complete 180 now saying that Pink never seriously pushed you? Earlier you admitted they pushed you “publicly and obviously”

And please, explain this.

[FM-Smug Viking]

Alright I'm starting to wake up more and I just wanted to see the general vibes on Lady of the Lake since Happy Drunk shares similar reads as me (shocking I know). I was never 100% sold on it anyway, we can save Lady to be discussed later, but at least impeach her though.

Not sure if I wanna do Snail Streamer though, and Wine Mom would have to WiFoM like crazy to be mafia I just don't buy it.

I'm looking at our other options on who we should even vote and a couple of names came up in mind: Lovely Bug and Raincoat Cat. A lot of us wanted them to be on ITA list but it faltered away. Is there a reason we aren't considering them for lynch as they didn't really contribute to Incognito's flip.

[FM-Smug Viking]

Raincoat and Lovely Bug showed up for ITA session, then kinda ghosted the thread for the entire lynch discussion and we have 6? hours left in thread

[FM-Wine Mom]

Alright I'm starting to wake up more and I just wanted to see the general vibes on Lady of the Lake since Happy Drunk shares similar reads as me (shocking I know). I was never 100% sold on it anyway, we can save Lady to be discussed later, but at least impeach her though.

Not sure if I wanna do Snail Streamer though, and Wine Mom would have to WiFoM like crazy to be mafia I just don't buy it.

I'm looking at our other options on who we should even vote and a couple of names came up in mind: Lovely Bug and Raincoat Cat. A lot of us wanted them to be on ITA list but it faltered away. Is there a reason we aren't considering them for lynch as they didn't really contribute to Incognito's flip.

I could be down for lovely bug — the only thing holding me back was the fact that they are not paired with Lady but if people think they Lady being scum is an outlandish idea then sure. I’m currently voting Gay Cat and think they are likely to flip scum too.

[FM-Smug Viking]

-vote FM-Raincoat Cat

I haven't discussed this with Happy Drunk yet so idk how he feels about it but this is my feeling atm.

[FM-Smug Viking]

I could be down for lovely bug — the only thing holding me back was the fact that they are not paired with Lady but if people think they Lady being scum is an outlandish idea then sure. I’m currently voting Gay Cat and think they are likely to flip scum too.

hmm, I'm normally down for Gay Cat Rock but the 3 wounds just make me wanna save them for ITA.

Instead of wasting~5 bullets on Lovely Bug or whoever we lynch, we just use ~2 bullets on Gay Cat Rock.

[FM-Wine Mom]

-vote FM-Raincoat Cat

I haven't discussed this with Happy Drunk yet so idk how he feels about it but this is my feeling atm.

I am slightly more hesitant on Raincoat because they pushed both Wasteland and Incognito early — not completely sure how much bussing went down yet.

[FM-Smug Viking]

That's fine

-vote FM-Lovely Bug

[FM-Wine Mom]

-vote FM-Lovely Bug

[FM-Smug Viking]

Maybe Lovely Bug's flip could let us read Sandwich better if they are W/W or T/T

[FM-Wine Mom]

Maybe Lovely Bug's flip could let us read Sandwich better if they are W/W or T/T

Yeah. I’m inclined to believe that if Bug’s role id indeed reliant on Sandwich it actually spews him town in the event of a red Bug flip. Thst kinda dynamic just makes sense from a balance standpoint?

[FM-Wine Mom]

FM-Gay Cat Rock (2): FM-Snail Streamer, FM-Fast Fish
FM-Lovely Bug (2): FM-Wine Mom, FM-Smug Viking
FM-Snail Streamer (5): FM-Ryast, FM-Purple Forest, FM-Jiraffe, FM-Dirty Harry, FM-White Square
FM-Lady of the Lake (3): FM-Happy Drunk, FM-Lolcat, FM-My Plants
FM-Lolcat (4): FM-Sassy Witch, FM-Lady of the Lake (Mayor)
FM-Wine Mom (1): FM-Mountain Top

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I don’t know why I’m bothering to engage in this back and forth when I’m not even currently scumming you. Why are you towning Mountain tops?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1025978

Large read wall there. A bit rushed and I don't remember quite what I said past their lack of self pres pushing Snail instead of pushing for my death in this deathnote pool Snail is making and I do credit them for locking in the ITA1 targets.

Running out the door now. Gona be a very long day. Sometimes I question my life staying up all night on a Friday night to post reads for a mafia game but ehh. We all have our addictions. Could always be worse.. Could have been crack. I hear thats pretty good.

Post questions or whatever and I will pop in as I can. Sorry if I was a dick a bit ago. Kinda sleep deprived. Thats on me being grouchy and dumb. I should have been more chill but I get frustrated when I feel things are being misrepresented. Character flaw of mine.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

And please, explain this.

Again though. I did not have that to say about pink pushing me. I responded to you saying they did not like me and there is no conflict at all.

[FM-Wine Mom]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...=1#post1025978

Large read wall there. A bit rushed and I don't remember quite what I said past their lack of self pres pushing Snail instead of pushing for my death in this deathnote pool Snail is making and I do credit them for locking in the ITA1 targets.

Running out the door now. Gona be a very long day. Sometimes I question my life staying up all night on a Friday night to post reads for a mafia game but ehh. We all have our addictions. Could always be worse.. Could have been crack. I hear thats pretty good.

Post questions or whatever and I will pop in as I can. Sorry if I was a dick a bit ago. Kinda sleep deprived. Thats on me being grouchy and dumb. I should have been more chill but I get frustrated when I feel things are being misrepresented. Character flaw of mine.

You’re good, I could’ve handled pressure on myself more gracefully too. I promise I’m not usually like this but external factors sometimes weigh on you more than they should.

As for Mountain tops, I was vehemently against even the thought of pushing them as early as 24 hours ago — until I realized they are one of three only remaining players I’m towing for surface level reasons. Volunteering yourself for the death note is pure WIFOM (which, by the way, I was really hoping the hosts would call me FM-WIFOM when making this avatar).

The reason why I think Mountain tops is a good death note target is because if they are town they have one entire cycle to solve and leave a legacy. Choosing some LHF player as the death note target is not very enticing because let’s face it none of us are that patient and we would rather ITA those players to get an instant flip.

[FM-Wine Mom]

You’re good, I could’ve handled pressure on myself more gracefully too. I promise I’m not usually like this but external factors sometimes weigh on you more than they should.

As for Mountain tops, I was vehemently against even the thought of pushing them as early as 24 hours ago — until I realized they are one of three only remaining players I’m towing for surface level reasons. Volunteering yourself for the death note is pure WIFOM (which, by the way, I was really hoping the hosts would call me FM-WIFOM when making this avatar).

The reason why I think Mountain tops is a good death note target is because if they are town they have one entire cycle to solve and leave a legacy. Choosing some LHF player as the death note target is not very enticing because let’s face it none of us are that patient and we would rather ITA those players to get an instant flip.

the* not three

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

You’re good, I could’ve handled pressure on myself more gracefully too. I promise I’m not usually like this but external factors sometimes weigh on you more than they should.

As for Mountain tops, I was vehemently against even the thought of pushing them as early as 24 hours ago — until I realized they are one of three only remaining players I’m towing for surface level reasons. Volunteering yourself for the death note is pure WIFOM (which, by the way, I was really hoping the hosts would call me FM-WIFOM when making this avatar).

The reason why I think Mountain tops is a good death note target is because if they are town they have one entire cycle to solve and leave a legacy. Choosing some LHF player as the death note target is not very enticing because let’s face it none of us are that patient and we would rather ITA those players to get an instant flip.

They would be a better person for me if they did. If town killed me without putting in the tiny amount of effort to even put together a case I would shrug and tell them to figure it out themselves. Regardless of alignment that just sucks.

[FM-Smug Viking]

Also, another reason I'm not a fan of Snail vote today.

if theyre mafia, theyre gonna use a DN on a mason right before being lynched. I think we should just force them to use a DN today on our reads and let him live, then we can decide his fate tmrw or Day 4 to see if he was lying instead of lynching a cornered mafia with a dangerous weapon that we could easily flush out first.

If they're town then we just lynched a very valuable player for us.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Seriously, why am I being pushed still? It’s not a matter of “did incognito just use a different ability N1 did any of you actually fucking read their role card? Read the actual abilities because if you put your reading comprehension skills to use you will notice that ALL the other journey not destination abilities give some form of role information apart from from bisexual blast which is MULTITASKABLE. With me so far? Stop and shop not only gives information about the targets role but also their alignment and gives you the ability to steal their role and use it for yourself the next night.


Why is that so hard for any of you to grasp? It makes no mechanical sense for incognito to not have used that over a different ability

I read their role card. For one, they can't use the same ability consecutively. It is perfectly reasonable to hold off on using it if there is not a good target now.

But more importantly, no, it does not cost much to do this play from N1! This costs a usage of this ability, which is way less impactful than, say, bussing a whole wolf. And it seems quite reasonable for a deepwolf like you, who can now argue everyone is stupid for suspecting you and continue pushing agenda. This is far from a hard mech-clear.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Also, another reason I'm not a fan of Snail vote today.

if theyre mafia, theyre gonna use a DN on a mason right before being lynched. I think we should just force them to use a DN today on our reads and let him live, then we can decide his fate tmrw or Day 4 to see if he was lying instead of lynching a cornered mafia with a dangerous weapon that we could easily flush out first.

If they're town then we just lynched a very valuable player for us.

I have received very bad news that will make my haters go happy.

I can not use the Death Note today, I can use it starting N2

[FM-Snail Streamer]

But its okay even if I get yeeted, some people are just howling and voting me. And others are town having bad reads, which is a crime I've also committed.
@FM-Jiraffe for example talking about my in thread progression about Wasteland being weird and totally missing the fact that I was in a hood with them and heavily skewing my view on that

[FM-Smug Viking]

I have received very bad news that will make my haters go happy.

I can not use the Death Note today, I can use it starting N2

does that mean someone is dying at EoN instead of EoD

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Alright I'm starting to wake up more and I just wanted to see the general vibes on Lady of the Lake since Happy Drunk shares similar reads as me (shocking I know). I was never 100% sold on it anyway, we can save Lady to be discussed later, but at least impeach her though.

Not sure if I wanna do Snail Streamer though, and Wine Mom would have to WiFoM like crazy to be mafia I just don't buy it.

I'm looking at our other options on who we should even vote and a couple of names came up in mind: Lovely Bug and Raincoat Cat. A lot of us wanted them to be on ITA list but it faltered away. Is there a reason we aren't considering them for lynch as they didn't really contribute to Incognito's flip.

Have you read the last few posts in my ISO where I case Wine Mom
I'm going to distill it into a single post because I get the impression barely anyone read any of it

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I read their role card. For one, they can't use the same ability consecutively. It is perfectly reasonable to hold off on using it if there is not a good target now.

But more importantly, no, it does not cost much to do this play from N1! This costs a usage of this ability, which is way less impactful than, say, bussing a whole wolf. And it seems quite reasonable for a deepwolf like you, who can now argue everyone is stupid for suspecting you and continue pushing agenda. This is far from a hard mech-clear.

You can day its far from a hard mech clear. But its still a clear. If you yeet me y'all will shut your silly mouths and sheep and treat mom as the greenest slot to ever exist out of respet and to repent

[FM-Snail Streamer]

does that mean someone is dying at EoN instead of EoD

If I use it N2, they will die at EoN3

[FM-Mountain Tops]

You can day its far from a hard mech clear. But its still a clear. If you yeet me y'all will shut your silly mouths and sheep and treat mom as the greenest slot to ever exist out of respet and to repent

Have you READ my case on Wine Mom. I'm assuming not

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Have you READ my case on Wine Mom. I'm assuming not

Bruh Ive been reading and keeping a close eye on Mom for a while . You are also voting me so I think you sre kinds throwing atp

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Bruh Ive been reading and keeping a close eye on Mom for a while . You are also voting me so I think you sre kinds throwing atp

My vote on you is for my mech ability; I'm not sure if I'd keep it there if it turns out you're a wagon at EOD. (which I said, if you're reading my posts)
The vote I want is Wine Mom, which is why I'm voting them on this account

[FM-Snail Streamer]

-vote FM-Aliens Are Real

[FM-Snail Streamer]

My vote on you is for my mech ability; I'm not sure if I'd keep it there if it turns out you're a wagon at EOD. (which I said, if you're reading my posts)
The vote I want is Wine Mom, which is why I'm voting them on this account

Thats again very silly. You are reaching and making a ehole scenario in how mafia acted suboptimally and accounted to an Incognito bus to clear Wine Mom, at the same time that Mom was defending that same slot. Like, it doesnt make sense and comes from /trying to make mom a wolf/ rather than genuine solving and what is more likely. Occam's Razor and all that yanno. Mom is never D2 yeet.

If mom is alive late game, or heavily wolfsides we reconsider, but this paranoia now has no place imo

[FM-Wine Mom]

-vote FM-Aliens Are Real

I don’t think this is a hit unfortunately

And yeah mountain tops seems to have gone off the deep end I did not even read their posts on me and I do not intend to

[FM-Wine Mom]

I have not failed to notice how Mountain tops was calling me a townread when I was doing the same to them but start hard pushing me the moment I start reconsidering them.

Comical.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

How are we going with the impeach votes?

Also I want to note the focus Alien had at SoD about the presidential votes and how ... They dropped it entirely. I think that is very possible they are aware of mafia coordinating on them, and like I pointed out yesterday frm votecounts Lady/Aliens is very possibly a pair in my head.

I think among Mountain/Purple/Ryast there are towns wolfsiding now but doubting who . Giraffe is def town. Dirty Harry should try to elaborate more on their vote, or if they maintain it until EoD be held accountable of it because point blank their vote was very shady in trying to paint a picture or antagonize and not really *solve* me .


Regardless Im very grumpy today chat sorry if I used harsh words

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Thats again very silly. You are reaching and making a ehole scenario in how mafia acted suboptimally and accounted to an Incognito bus to clear Wine Mom, at the same time that Mom was defending that same slot. Like, it doesnt make sense and comes from /trying to make mom a wolf/ rather than genuine solving and what is more likely. Occam's Razor and all that yanno. Mom is never D2 yeet.

If mom is alive late game, or heavily wolfsides we reconsider, but this paranoia now has no place imo

No?? The way Wine Mom treated Wasteland during ITA1, when compared to Raincoat, is absolutely awful. Because of this (and other reasons but that's the largest one), I am questioning the claimed mech clear. If I was only looking at this whole chat and rolecard stealing claim, then yes I would town read Wine Mom. Problem is, I'm looking at more than that

But anyway, I think you are either heavily pocketed or a wolf, so I don't expect to convince you without compiling everything into a post, if even then

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I have not failed to notice how Mountain tops was calling me a townread when I was doing the same to them but start hard pushing me the moment I start reconsidering them.

Comical.

You can notice that, sure. I should have explored my tinfoil earlier, but unfortunately it took Purple motivating me, as well as Purple and Jiraffe pointing out that the thread feels wolf-controlled, for me to do that.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

No?? The way Wine Mom treated Wasteland during ITA1, when compared to Raincoat, is absolutely awful. Because of this (and other reasons but that's the largest one), I am questioning the claimed mech clear. If I was only looking at this whole chat and rolecard stealing claim, then yes I would town read Wine Mom. Problem is, I'm looking at more than that

But anyway, I think you are either heavily pocketed or a wolf, so I don't expect to convince you without compiling everything into a post, if even then

Why do you shade Mom for wolfsiding in ITA1 , but are not looking at Lady ITA2 list, and tring her for the n0 presidential vote???? But on mom you disregard a mech heavily pointing to them as clear?????



Like HOW are weighing your reads Mountain. HOW

[FM-Wine Mom]

Like by far, Snail’s progression on me has been the towniest — with the early side eye D1 going to a full fledged townread with visible progression and maintaining that going into the night. They then entered D2 with a similar worldview to mine and I could see the dip in confidence after the first ITA session. Which made sense given his position — being wrong on wasteland should make any reasonable town reconsider their other townreads. It came back after the Incognito flip, which also makes sense. It’s not impossible to fake this but I find it extremely unlikely.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I think wolves just hate the Snail/Mom/Fish trio tbh

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Why do you shade Mom for wolfsiding in ITA1 , but are not looking at Lady ITA2 list, and tring her for the n0 presidential vote???? But on mom you disregard a mech heavily pointing to them as clear?????



Like HOW are weighing your reads Mountain. HOW

You're clearly missing context here and I'm just going to write my case and stop wasting time responding, since all these questions should be answered in there anyway