S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Gay Cat Rock]

I want to slight tl the people that self voted for president because what else do you do n0 with no communication and no pfps to observe.

[FM-Wasteland]

I'd like to ask everyone to claim where they voted for the presidency last night, I know we can't exactly trace every vote since I think there were some no-votes, but I am suspect of the slots who received 2 or more votes and where those votes came from

Hey, yeah i voted alien

[FM-Fast Fish]

I’m special

Are you sure you didn't try drawing a Kitsune mask?

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Hey, yeah i voted alien

Why'd you vote Alien?

Anyway, assuming Purple Forest and Zoomer Power self-voted, which seems likely, then that leaves 2 unexplained votes for Viking in Green Nya, Snippy, and Tiny Sandwich. I'm... confused what to think about that, since there's the question of why w!Viking wouldn't self-vote..

[FM-Orange Iris]

Player	N0 Vote
Aliens are Real	Snail Streamer
Angry Clown	Mtn Dew Horse
Bosun	None
Dirty Harry	None
Fast Fish	None
Gay Cat Rock	Gay Cat Rock
Great Speech	Aliens are Real
Green Nya	[CLAIM MISSING]
Happy Drunk	Happy Drunk
Incognito	Fast Fish
Jiraffe	None
Lady of the Lake	Aliens are Real
Lolcat	None
Lovely Bug	Ryast
Mountain Tops	White Square
Mtn Dew Horse	None
My Plants	None
Orange Iris	Gay Cat Rock
Pink Slip	Great Speech
Purple Forest	[CLAIM MISSING]
Raincoat Cat	None
Ryast	None
Sassy Witch	Smug Viking
Smug Viking	Pink Slip
Snail Streamer	Ryast
Snippy	[CLAIM MISSING]
Tiny Sandwich	[CLAIM MISSING]
Wasteland	[CLAIM MISSING]
White Square	White Square
Wine Mom	Wine Mom
Zoomer Power	[CLAIM MISSING]

For anyone curious - this is the list of president-vote claims I've compiled. Could potentially be missing a few. I don't see much point in hiding my vote now that we have so many claims, so I'm revealing here I voted for White Square, as I felt a bit bad for them.

Thank you, proud listener!

[FM-Orange Iris]

Why'd you vote Alien?
I'm... confused what to think about that, since there's the question of why w!Viking wouldn't self-vote..

Nothing special in that. As you can see, most of us voted for someone else, not for themselves.

[FM-Purple Forest]

Oh people had an entire conversation about me while I was gone? Hype!

It was mostly about the earlier conversation from closer to start of game.

Im back, just catching up



I voted for Pink Slip, didnt even expect to get votes like at all. That meant 3 other ppl voted for me.

@FM-Smug Viking
Why did you end up voting Pink Slip?

Also thinking Purple Forest is villagery.

It's hard for me to focus on the game right now though, keep getting distracted. Need a laser pointer shined on the posts to keep me focused. Don't be surprised if I keep disappearing and reappearing like a whack-a-mole.

I'm trying to bounce between a thought on Raincoat cat because their posts are like ~fine, but feel mildly uninterested in the game as a whole, and seem to kind of lack a sort of towny spunk I feel should be present. I'll put them on my watchlist.

However, we will note the fact that Snippy may be protecting Snail in such a strange way.

@FM-Orange Iris
Could you expand on what you mean here? Preferably with some recorded evidence and a live studio audience! [Citations]

@FM-Purple Forest (this should work I hope!)

hello!! :o)

For Mountain Tops, my initial read on them was that they felt quite inquisitive, was quick to break the ice and get stuck in with providing reads and insight into the n0 event in a way which I vibed with. Reading back through now I mostly agree with that sentiment still, their posting still feels quite good to me and feels like they're genuinely considering their reads not just throwing them out for the sake of it.

I cant quite explain it how I'd like to, cant fully put the words to it, but I can grab examples if that helps illustrate it?

My only hangup was their reaction to my vote on Harry, it felt a little like they had jumped the gun a bit on it? Though I feel that's only really something I'd be concerned about if Harry is actually scum, and admittedly I havent seen anything from them since my initial prod so I'd rather not get too wrapped up in that world for now :o(

Overall feels good to me for now :o)

Will read through Bosun now as well!!

@FM-Angry Clown
Ack, thank you. Have you poked into any more scumreads since the game's begun? Actually, speaking of; I'm still voting a townread of mine aren't I.

-vote FM-Bosun

I'll remedy that.

Spoiler : Post :

Lean(d)ing Town:
Mountain Tops - seems engaged and is providing analysis. their posts feel town, but i need to see more.
Fast Fish - i like the playful, chaotic personality... enjoying the direction. their interactions with Ryast feels natural and not paired.

Null with slight town pings:
Ryast - townread numerous players, which could be a sign of a townie trying to sort the game or a wolf trying to pocket multiple players. their reads seem reasonable, though.


where the pendulum swings fastest:
betting on snail vs pink slip never being w/w. im interested in how they will progress their reads and this game later on. totally hitting that subscribe button


null with slight wolf lean:
Great Speech - read on Ryast feels like a stretch indeed, and their townread on Plants is based on a common behavior. their posts are structured in a way which could be a wolf trying to control the narrative.

nill
Wine Mom - confident tone and their idea to make Mountain Tops a town leader is interesting. It could be a genuine attempt to organize town or a wolf trying to buddy up early on.
Purple Forest - early odd posts, their reads were based on trivial things, including their read of me. However, their later posts show more thought.
Bosun - early posts felt flimsy but later posts started having more substance to them. tr on Happy Drunk is superficial and idk how to read that alignment wise rn
orange iris - not making many reads but having a lot to say/roleplay is kinda flying under the radar stuff
Lady of the Lake - lightweight posts and their vote on white square is kinda rvs.
White Square - mostly defensive. not much yet.
and pmuch everyone else goes into null pile for now.



keeping my vote on clown for now but in my heart i am an anarchist and hate politics ahem

I forgot what I wanted to say here so can we all pretend I gave some really towny and insightful commentary to this post. Thank you.

Nevertheless, I will answer this question. We are a media outlet, and before we make serious accusations against someone, we must have good reasons for doing so. Otherwise, we will face serious legal costs and reputational damage.

Nevertheless, SSN Radio will voice its suspicions on the evening air. Stay tuned!

Hm.
I think despite a vague appreciation for this slot that the gimmick might make understanding them hard unless I wish to scour an ISO. :o[

Because I realized that if we all just vote for ourselves, then we were handing the mafia a free election. So I didn't vote for myself. contrary to what wine lady thinks was smart

As for why Fast Fish? I literally threw the player list into random.org and his name ended up on top. I figured that with no info, a random vote at least has a higher chance to be on town than on scum and a 1/30 chance to be on the person scum would be voting for. Just a matter of probabilities, did I think Fish would win? No... but it does reveal to me that Fish did not vote for himself since my vote is the only vote he got, still not sure if he voted for someone else or did not vote at all. (and I'm not gonna ask him since he didn't reply to that drunk fellow who asked everyone who we voted for)

Hm...
This post is odd, I think I can see this from a town but it seems to feel mildly unintuitive for most villagers to think this. Its hard because you need to both couple with a sense of being uninformed of whether or not the mafia knew the effect of the election or not and whether you think that mafia would... presumably out to vote coordinate? Which I think someone else commented on earlier and I might have quoted, unsure! But keeping that in mind, I'd still probably posit that any train of presidential votes is unlikely to have many mafia on them? As such I do also kind of think its stupid to attack Viking for getting votes as well, I think there's too many factors that make this an unreliable took to find scum; and Viking is honestly kind of a billboard account (name/icon) to gain votes inherently.

{This is mildly a collection of miscellaneous thoughts with one focus, but that's kind of where its jiving.}

But yeah, Host confirms my vote is 3. If end of D1 happens and I am not around for any reason absolutely keep that in mind for whatever trains are going and maybe mention it so others do as well.

So far a few thoughts but generally getting a feeling people some people are overstating reads. Fits with D1 but also something to watch for if its going on later in the game as it can be an excuse to take a position without giving reasoning that could get a wolf caught. Pink Slips either throwing shade or paranoid town. Seems to be resistant to people giving town reads. Ryast has a LOT of positions but not that much reasoning to back it. Many of the reasons for their positions feel vague.

Skimmed Bosuns' iso and I hated it. More posts than me and has not really taken a single position. Like they are participating without hunting and posting to make them look like they are not lurking.

More thoughts as I get into the thread. Ugly start to the day but hopefully Mafia will go well : )

In general I do feel like D1 is the time to overstate reads though. There's not really a bad reason to give some reachy reads when you're uninformed. Just means you need to tighten the corral for what you consider towny further on in the game after it. Or so they say. I don't really think that D1 is all bad so far, no real reason to be a doomer.

I don't really think Pink Slip is a wolf and I felt decent reasons to townread Ryast earlier that I forgot. Hm. [That coupled with the Snail post I quoted is making me a bit uncertain but I still don't really feel like focusing on them today.]

Oh, I also liked Great Speech taking a stab at Ryast, who was being mostly seen in a good light prior to that. I think its mostly a stab for playstyle differences of Ryast maybe being focused on calling people towny on most reads / something along those lines. But it was also what I noticed when I dig into their Bosum read from ISO which made me pause a bit so that type of insight and elaboration feels towny from Great Speech, even though I still lean more on Ryast just being town tbh

Sure, I'll take Great Speech from my scumleans then for now. I can see myself being more aggravated by tone rather than content here.

Ryast read on Bosun reminded me of when FM-Scarf had to bullshit a reason to townread a partner Im ngl

...Okay yeah that is vaguely my thoughts but I am mildly annoyed that you only looked at Bosun when someone else pointed you there and not when I asked you to. Hmph.

I can't help myself and felt the need to Iso Sassy and Viking real quick

So for Sassy Witch they could be poked to post a bit more. 4 posts with only real thing given was claiming a vote on Viking. Not like Bosun who racked up 15 posts or something without saying much of anything making me feel they were intentionally lurking. It is still halfway through D1

That would make much more sense but caught this in their ISO

With me leaning team scum on Pink makes me feel my two suspicions do not line up. I do not see Mafia throwing a 1 off vote onto a team mate although lies and WIFOM hold weight there.

For the rest of their posts I really do not have a leaning one way or the other. Almost all banter and talk about votes. Post 44 is their only take and its on what mafia would do about votes. Not anything at all to go off imo. Will add them to the lurker list : )

Lurker list:
Bonsun (15 posts saying very little)
Sassy Witch (4 posts basically only claiming Viking vote and not scumreading them for vote count because of it)
Smug Viking (7 post with only #44 saying much)
Zoomer Power (I think they haven't posted, They are not even on the iso list so couldent check and dont care to search the username)
Mt Dew Horse (5 posts but most say something game related)
Tiny Sandwich (7 posts saying nothing)

Dumping some notes there but thats my 'waiting to see stuff I can read them on' list so far. Have not come close to looking at everyone and again, it is not even half way through D1 so its totally understandable to be low post or content so far. Bonsun is the only one that pinged me about it with them maybe farming posts to look like participating or something. Still early though.

@FM-Aliens Are Real
Why no accounting for Gay Cat Rock in your lurker list? When Gay and Tiny showed up last night my instinctive reaction between the pair (aside from being tired) was that they provided a similar amount of content (which is to say little).

I do want to hold out with townreading Pink, mostly for the same reasons as Snail, given that the wordlview and perspective offered feels wholly authentic in a way that a villager is more likely to sloppily slop into thread.


I forgot any conclusions I made after this post. Sorry, I'm not sure I'm cut out for D1s.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

Hello I'm back!!!

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I'm trying to bounce between a thought on Raincoat cat because their posts are like ~fine, but feel mildly uninterested in the game as a whole, and seem to kind of lack a sort of towny spunk I feel should be present. I'll put them on my watchlist.

I wouldn't say I'm uninterested but what you can do takes a big hit when you're always playing catch-up. Not as bad in mashes thankfully.

Anything you'd like to talk about? I'll be scrolling for a while.

[FM-Fast Fish]

I wouldn't say I'm uninterested but what you can do takes a big hit when you're always playing catch-up. Not as bad in mashes thankfully.

Anything you'd like to talk about? I'll be scrolling for a while.

Who was your presidential vote on N0?

[FM-Fast Fish]

Nevermind you claimed nobody.

[FM-Fast Fish]

@FM-Ryast get in here and solve this game.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

No. There's WIFOM to be had there, and there's also the very simple "i am inactive because i do not care/forgot/etc." scenario, which is infinitely more likely.

Besides, we should always have a bias against low-content slots, simply because they are either straight up coasting scum or nigh-useless town that penalizes us for keeping them around until lategame (as they are question marks).


No-content inaction is a cardinal sin that cannot be allowed to exist in such a clean town. Regarding the election, perhaps a point could be made for not voting as town on N0 (especially since we don't know for sure what the consequences are), but it certainly is not towny in itself (the same is true for scum anyway, assuming the role that caused the election isn't in scum hands).

/mech rant

In other news,

-vote FM-Mtn Dew Horse

Literally a warg. DON'T TOUCH MY MUFFALO HERD, YOU MONSTER

Agree that it's not really possible to indicate whether voting or not / voting for someone is necessarily towny specifically because we don't know the details of the event and what wolves do/don't know about it.
If wolves assumed/knew it was something positive, there's probably a wolf among top vote candidates. If they thought it was negative, I feel like they'd spread votes around away from themselves with whatever reason they think is justifiable.

As town I think voting for yourself is the townier than not voting.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I forgot what I wanted to say here so can we all pretend I gave some really towny and insightful commentary to this post. Thank you.

Will do so!

...reading through their post more carefully, I find the wording of "where the pendulum swings fastest" to be a strange contrast with the read actually expressed underneath, namely a confident unpairing... but actually no, that's probably fine, since they are weighing Pink Slip and Snail's arguments against eachother.

[FM-Purple Forest]

You looked at their profile picture before voting?

Before any of us posted in thread?

Shrug, I also looked at every player's profiles pre-game-start. I had nothing better to do.

right. bosun iso

their posting mostly reads quite blunt in a way where I dont think it's particularly unfakeable, but I do think their posts are quite natural and they're not forcing their reads. would lean town with a bit of hesitation

@FM-Angry Clown
Hm. Okay. Maybe I need to look back over then but I'm still more prone to trust my own read so far.

im already flexing my opinions

-vote FM-Purple Forest

@FM-Zoomer Power
I'm not really interested in picking apart your reasons to scumread me because I don't really feel like its in bad faith from you and I have other priorities. If you want to attempt to speak with me on any other reads or discussions, feel free to <3. I'd be especially interested on your thoughts with notice to what you said in #761, on Mountain Dew individually, as well as someone else who I've noted to be mildly cahooting with them; Angry Clown.

I think the conversation you're ISOing from Purple makes Dew Horse and possibly Mountaintop look worse actually. Wolf!Dew throws out a lamist argument to scumpaint T!Purple but doesn't do anything with it because it's a fake read. Or W!Mountaintop presses a T!Dew to make him look silly but it doesn't go anywhere. I guess you could also argue a W/W Dew/Mountaintop where one partner thinks the other is going a bit too hard on Purple. Purple looks relatively unphased by the whole thing.

It's exceedingly difficult to be switching around names like Mountain Dew and Mountaintop btw.

Oh wait that's the post that the post I link just quoted. Helpful for reference regardless; especially feeling like Horse is just fading a bit and I've not really been aware of that slot's presence much.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

FM-Happy Drunk (1):
FM-Purple Forest
FM-White Square (2):
FM-Smug Viking, FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Dirty Harry (1):
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Angry Clown (1):
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Incognito (2):
FM-Wine Mom, FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Bosun (1):
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-My Plants (1):
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Mtn Dew Horse (2):
FM-Great Speech, FM-Aliens Are Real

Just to make it clear to everyone so we can all stay on the same page about trains and vote counts- That number should be 4. I have a vote power of 1 +2 for Pres

-vote FM-Incognito

might as well add my vote. Good to know what exactly the "president" gains too.

[FM-Orange Iris]

It was mostly about the earlier conversation from closer to start of game.


@FM-Orange Iris
Could you expand on what you mean here? Preferably with some recorded evidence and a live studio audience! [Citations]

I mean mirroring the phrase, quotes are in post #552.

As for your second question, I mean I am not ready for some conclusions about scumreading for now. As for townreadings, my top 3 green list is Drunk, Snail and Alien.

[FM-Incognito]

Finally caught up,

Can you condense your reads on players so far that have a conclussion? All I got from this is that you trust the president and hedge/non comittal on other players basically

Conclusion is a bit of a strong word since I've been mostly busy reading, trying to remember who is who with the avatars. When I was online most of the first day, there was so much fluff/jokes/RPing going on that nothing really pinged me in a note worthy way the required reaction to (save for Iris). There are a lot of posts that I agree with, and plenty that I disagree with, but almost all those posts relate to playstyles, common meta, and general information, nothing that really indicates alignment one way or another. In terms of the meatier matters, which happened after I went to bed yesterday, I barely had a chance to process what I read on my phone this morning before heading out. I still need to reread those 400ish posts. Off the top of my head, this is what I feel on people:

Aliens Are Real - President, has extra votes, possibly other abilities that he does not wish to share, mods confirmed extra votes, has a case against pink slip that I want to go ISO read for myself since his mega post only had post numbers and didn't really add context.

Angry Clown - annoying RP, didn't take note of anything substantial without looking at his ISO

Bosun - lots of obvious scumtells posted as jokes, either waiting to see who will take his bait or is just annoying, was using him to test reactions on others but he is still following the same mentality instead of changing gears, thus faking activity and coasting, a negative in my books. (on a sidenote, with all the talk about smug viking, I thought people were talking about him with his boat and ya har har avatar.. certainly got confused between the two and need to reread now that I have differentiated the two)

Dirty Harry - san, chan, sama.. had a hard time reading this guys posts, not sure if this is deliberate to make me ignore the contents. Content wise, I find it lacking save for 1 post where he tries to contribute to snippy, slip jiffy argument and even that I had a hard time following because he called someone Slippy... is he referring to slip or snippy.

Fast Fish - spent the first part of the day deliberately and obviously taking all the bait he could eat, intentionally failing reaction tests to the point that he himself became a reaction test for others. He continues to deliberately antagonize people so far as to leave the thread when asked a question. He is acting so scummy it is obvious that he wants us to know he is acting scummy. Then in the middle of all those jokes and fluff, there are a few reads of his own, although most of his non joke posts are asking other for reads instead of posting his thougths.. To me, he is useful as in he is bait that causes reactions, reactions that shouldn't happen if someone is paying attention to what he is actually doing.

Gay Cat Rock - who?

Great Speech - vaguely remember his avatar, he showed up later thus I haven't reread enough to remember what he said.

Green Nya - who?

Happy Drunk - I remember agreeing to his posts, but forget what he said - nothing negative caught my eye to note down.

Jiraffe - like I said earlier, I need to revisit the argument now that I'm on my pc to get a clearer view with context how that started (phones suck for mafia, need to see avatars to remember people in anon games)

Lady of the Lake - small text asshole who proudly voted for Aliens, hated reading his posts, only notable contribution I liked was he resolved the "how did you see the avatars before game" question before I had a chance to question clown myself.

Lolcat - who?

Lovely Bug - who?

Mountain Tops - I know I've seen his avatar but can't remember what he posted, I don't think it was as much nonsense as the others

Mtn Dew Horse - had an ok start but quality dropped when he came back later in the game, might be because of IRL time or like me, catching up is harder to remember everything when you aren't reading it live. I also get the impression he is deliberately trying to mask his identity by pretending to not know how to vote, could be real but that is the vibe I'm getting and I can't expand much on this publicly without risking the wrath of the mods.

My Plants - playstyle is quick to conclusions without really digging deeper, will take note when the real voting starts how he gets on and off wagons to judge

Orange Iris - radioman RP (I hear Donny Vermillion voice from SC2 reading his posts, bad vibes just from that, I hated Donny), while I agree with his post about some people don't read their role PM and how effective it can be, I've done it myself in the past, his quote at fish with it, still has me puzzled, maybe I didn't read Fish the same way as he did but either way it's his post where he built a case against me, laid out his thoughts and peaced out before I could reply, I even agree with part of his post about the paranoid town who suspects everyone (that is my playstyle regardless of alignment). His "and perhaps I'll support this vote in the future." is a red flag for me as he let Wine and Snail do the heavier lifting. But the fact he also said it aloud is double wifom for me.. haven't pieced how exactly to view him yet but I certainly have bad vibes. The persistent newsman RP giving out general commentary of what others have said is bugging me more than anyone else at this time.

Pink Slip - need to reread with context before I say much, but initial thoughts was I agreed with most general statements made by him, can't remember much though and certainly need to ISO him

Purple Forest - scares me playstyle wise, found myself agreeing with him too much for my liking, feel like he might pocket me if I'm not careful.

Raincoat Cat - who?

Ryast - soo many posts it's mostly a blur what all he said, I remember disagreeing with him and accusing him for over the top reactions on why I didn't ping aliens but I didn't really pay attention to his mass post catch up.

Sassy Witch - who?

Smug Viking - I thought he was Bosum (avatar).... can't remember who he actually is

Snail Streamer - not a fan of the streamer RP but it's not as dominating in your posts like some others, disagree with you mafia being more active n0 but can't comment on why (rules). You obviously don't like me mech hunting about the president role but the way I see it, if mafia get info about it, they aren't gonna share any of it with us and the president role is very much part of my responsibility since it requires voting. I get Ryast complaining I didn't ask Aliens about the role and you complaining I am asking about it for those who voted Aliens. And that is as far as I got reading you because I am emotionally biased now, not to mention to went after fish bait right after that.

Snippy - guy with scissors, part of argument that happened while I slept and only skimmed over with phone in the morning, need to reread

Tiny Sandwich - who? ok, I saw him most recently but I didn't take note anything about him

Wasteland - who? he voted me? I didn't even notice that

White Square - mad about his own avatar fluff... and screw you for making your font small! only post I liked was his reverse course on the great speech even though I didn't look into it myself

Wine Mom - Her vote on me feels influenced by Iris, even the post she voted me has no context to the vote. But later posts show that she is just very confident and bullies her opinion around freely even with anyone else, don't like the playstyle, gives bad vibes that she jump on me without context and moved on as if nothing happened but I've seen this in either alignment from certain players.

Zoomer Power - who?


Now - looks like there is another 50 posts that I need to read before diving into what happened during the IRL night.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I actually think I'm going to treat president votes as NAI until we have more information about the event as a whole, especially after someone brought up the possibility of rigging.

Snippy is on my radar for p#248 which feels less like real reads and more like trying to force anything they can to look like they're contributing.

[FM-Orange Iris]

@FM-Purple Forest
In addition: I have some suspects: Incognito (Explained already), Pink Slip (mostly based on Alien's reading, I disagree with him only in one point and I told that about, also I dislike Pink's votes jumping around, see vote history), Green Nya (low activity, no any uselful post), Lovely Bug (scumreads Fisn, but voted Mountain without any explainations). But I can't say some of them 100% scum for me.

[FM-Fast Fish]

This is my gut feeling for a wolf hit.

-vote FM-Mountain Tops

[FM-Purple Forest]

I wouldn't say I'm uninterested but what you can do takes a big hit when you're always playing catch-up. Not as bad in mashes thankfully.


Anything you'd like to talk about? I'll be scrolling for a while.

I mean, sure, but I'm much in the same spot. Uhhhhh, there's not a whole lot onto my mind right now, there's a mild web of names I wouldnt mind some sorting between (Zoomer/Clown/Horse/Speech/Bosun), as well as some misc names that general thoughts on could be nice <Iris/Gay Cat/Pink Slip/Ryast/Jiff>

Will do so!

...reading through their post more carefully, I find the wording of "where the pendulum swings fastest" to be a strange contrast with the read actually expressed underneath, namely a confident unpairing... but actually no, that's probably fine, since they are weighing Pink Slip and Snail's arguments against eachother.

That's... probably roughly it, generally finding the placement of players and the reasoning to be not very matching {which mildly pinged my scum radar but hm.}

I actually think I'm going to treat president votes as NAI until we have more information about the event as a whole, especially after someone brought up the possibility of rigging.

Snippy is on my radar for p#248 which feels less like real reads and more like trying to force anything they can to look like they're contributing.

Presidential votes are generally not something that we can read a lot into right now with so much of an unknown factor, and knowing that the prize of it is simply bonus vote power makes me not... really care about it anyway. [Noted, if the wolves knew that the presidential prize was vote power, they likely would not want another wolf to get the vote power, unless they thought said wolf could deepwolf the game regardless. Which... I dunno, maybe? Aliens does have pretty good posts so far that I could expect a good wolf to pull off, but I'm not really suspecting them regardless.]

I just realized I accidentally skipped an entire page, will go sort through that in a bit.

[FM-Purple Forest]

Hm, what's the account for brining up Green Nya of the low activity slots over the others?
Also noted, I'm not really sure I'd say I'm 100% on any of my current scumreads either.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Finally caught up,

...

Overall I... don't get a lot from this. It's evidently a wall made out of obligation, and probably >rand wolf, but I'd want to dig into some specific interactions here..

White Square - mad about his own avatar fluff... and screw you for making your font small! only post I liked was his reverse course on the great speech even though I didn't look into it myself

@FM-Incognito , can you elaborate on your thoughts here. What specifically did you like? Can you go look into the argument in more detail, and say what you think about it?

[FM-Wine Mom]

Finally caught up,



Conclusion is a bit of a strong word since I've been mostly busy reading, trying to remember who is who with the avatars. When I was online most of the first day, there was so much fluff/jokes/RPing going on that nothing really pinged me in a note worthy way the required reaction to (save for Iris). There are a lot of posts that I agree with, and plenty that I disagree with, but almost all those posts relate to playstyles, common meta, and general information, nothing that really indicates alignment one way or another. In terms of the meatier matters, which happened after I went to bed yesterday, I barely had a chance to process what I read on my phone this morning before heading out. I still need to reread those 400ish posts. Off the top of my head, this is what I feel on people:

Aliens Are Real - President, has extra votes, possibly other abilities that he does not wish to share, mods confirmed extra votes, has a case against pink slip that I want to go ISO read for myself since his mega post only had post numbers and didn't really add context.

Angry Clown - annoying RP, didn't take note of anything substantial without looking at his ISO

Bosun - lots of obvious scumtells posted as jokes, either waiting to see who will take his bait or is just annoying, was using him to test reactions on others but he is still following the same mentality instead of changing gears, thus faking activity and coasting, a negative in my books. (on a sidenote, with all the talk about smug viking, I thought people were talking about him with his boat and ya har har avatar.. certainly got confused between the two and need to reread now that I have differentiated the two)

Dirty Harry - san, chan, sama.. had a hard time reading this guys posts, not sure if this is deliberate to make me ignore the contents. Content wise, I find it lacking save for 1 post where he tries to contribute to snippy, slip jiffy argument and even that I had a hard time following because he called someone Slippy... is he referring to slip or snippy.

Fast Fish - spent the first part of the day deliberately and obviously taking all the bait he could eat, intentionally failing reaction tests to the point that he himself became a reaction test for others. He continues to deliberately antagonize people so far as to leave the thread when asked a question. He is acting so scummy it is obvious that he wants us to know he is acting scummy. Then in the middle of all those jokes and fluff, there are a few reads of his own, although most of his non joke posts are asking other for reads instead of posting his thougths.. To me, he is useful as in he is bait that causes reactions, reactions that shouldn't happen if someone is paying attention to what he is actually doing.

Gay Cat Rock - who?

Great Speech - vaguely remember his avatar, he showed up later thus I haven't reread enough to remember what he said.

Green Nya - who?

Happy Drunk - I remember agreeing to his posts, but forget what he said - nothing negative caught my eye to note down.

Jiraffe - like I said earlier, I need to revisit the argument now that I'm on my pc to get a clearer view with context how that started (phones suck for mafia, need to see avatars to remember people in anon games)

Lady of the Lake - small text asshole who proudly voted for Aliens, hated reading his posts, only notable contribution I liked was he resolved the "how did you see the avatars before game" question before I had a chance to question clown myself.

Lolcat - who?

Lovely Bug - who?

Mountain Tops - I know I've seen his avatar but can't remember what he posted, I don't think it was as much nonsense as the others

Mtn Dew Horse - had an ok start but quality dropped when he came back later in the game, might be because of IRL time or like me, catching up is harder to remember everything when you aren't reading it live. I also get the impression he is deliberately trying to mask his identity by pretending to not know how to vote, could be real but that is the vibe I'm getting and I can't expand much on this publicly without risking the wrath of the mods.

My Plants - playstyle is quick to conclusions without really digging deeper, will take note when the real voting starts how he gets on and off wagons to judge

Orange Iris - radioman RP (I hear Donny Vermillion voice from SC2 reading his posts, bad vibes just from that, I hated Donny), while I agree with his post about some people don't read their role PM and how effective it can be, I've done it myself in the past, his quote at fish with it, still has me puzzled, maybe I didn't read Fish the same way as he did but either way it's his post where he built a case against me, laid out his thoughts and peaced out before I could reply, I even agree with part of his post about the paranoid town who suspects everyone (that is my playstyle regardless of alignment). His "and perhaps I'll support this vote in the future." is a red flag for me as he let Wine and Snail do the heavier lifting. But the fact he also said it aloud is double wifom for me.. haven't pieced how exactly to view him yet but I certainly have bad vibes. The persistent newsman RP giving out general commentary of what others have said is bugging me more than anyone else at this time.

Pink Slip - need to reread with context before I say much, but initial thoughts was I agreed with most general statements made by him, can't remember much though and certainly need to ISO him

Purple Forest - scares me playstyle wise, found myself agreeing with him too much for my liking, feel like he might pocket me if I'm not careful.

Raincoat Cat - who?

Ryast - soo many posts it's mostly a blur what all he said, I remember disagreeing with him and accusing him for over the top reactions on why I didn't ping aliens but I didn't really pay attention to his mass post catch up.

Sassy Witch - who?

Smug Viking - I thought he was Bosum (avatar).... can't remember who he actually is

Snail Streamer - not a fan of the streamer RP but it's not as dominating in your posts like some others, disagree with you mafia being more active n0 but can't comment on why (rules). You obviously don't like me mech hunting about the president role but the way I see it, if mafia get info about it, they aren't gonna share any of it with us and the president role is very much part of my responsibility since it requires voting. I get Ryast complaining I didn't ask Aliens about the role and you complaining I am asking about it for those who voted Aliens. And that is as far as I got reading you because I am emotionally biased now, not to mention to went after fish bait right after that.

Snippy - guy with scissors, part of argument that happened while I slept and only skimmed over with phone in the morning, need to reread

Tiny Sandwich - who? ok, I saw him most recently but I didn't take note anything about him

Wasteland - who? he voted me? I didn't even notice that

White Square - mad about his own avatar fluff... and screw you for making your font small! only post I liked was his reverse course on the great speech even though I didn't look into it myself

Wine Mom - Her vote on me feels influenced by Iris, even the post she voted me has no context to the vote. But later posts show that she is just very confident and bullies her opinion around freely even with anyone else, don't like the playstyle, gives bad vibes that she jump on me without context and moved on as if nothing happened but I've seen this in either alignment from certain players.

Zoomer Power - who?


Now - looks like there is another 50 posts that I need to read before diving into what happened during the IRL night.

To be clear, just because I’m presenting my opinions strongly does not mean I’m intending to be rude so apologies if it came across that way. I’m not reading everything so if you previously asked me about my vote on you it probably went unanswered because I did not see it, so I would ask to be pinged.

Not sure what you mean by my read on you being influenced by Iris — I don’t really recall any posts from that player at all apart from the early role playing. I voted you because I felt unsure about Bosun being scum and felt that your reads on them (i.e. being annoying for voting sleep but otherwise towny) was not genuine. Case in point, I have never seen anyone get truly annoyed by an RVS sleep vote two hours into the day. Yes, I called you Bosun’s partner for that post when I first saw it because it fit the mold of scum seeing their buddy being pushed and feeling obligated to comment on the slot while shading them but not actually adding on to the push in any meaningful way and simultaneously discrediting the push by calling the rest of their posts unremarkable.

Like I said, feel free to ping for more questions.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

Here's where I'd say I'm at right now, relatively...

Villagers
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Purple Forest

Leaning V
FM-My Plants
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Pink Slip
FM-Ryast

Null (no real opinion, but I remember at least some of their posts)
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Wine Mom
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Lolcat
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Sassy Witch

Null (don't remember them)
FM-Mtn Dew Horse
FM-Happy Drunk
FM-Green Nya
FM-Zoomer Power
FM-Wasteland
FM-Tiny Sandwich
FM-Great Speech
FM-Gay Cat Rock
FM-White Square
FM-Dirty Harry
FM-Lady of the Lake

Leaning W
FM-Bosun
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Snippy

Wolves
FM-Incognito

Hopefully I see more posts from more people in the later pages. Notably I liked the entrances of Pink Slip (general tone/productivity) and Lovely Bug (melding) on page 7.

[FM-Purple Forest]

Hm, what's the account for brining up Green Nya of the low activity slots over the others?
Also noted, I'm not really sure I'd say I'm 100% on any of my current scumreads either.

Oh, sorry, I intended to quote Iris with this.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

I mean, sure, but I'm much in the same spot. Uhhhhh, there's not a whole lot onto my mind right now, there's a mild web of names I wouldnt mind some sorting between (Zoomer/Clown/Horse/Speech/Bosun), as well as some misc names that general thoughts on could be nice <Iris/Gay Cat/Pink Slip/Ryast/Jiff>

I remember not liking Bosun very much on the first few pages, the rest of those names in your web I don't really have much of an opinion on, once I'm caught up I will update you. Gave some thoughts on Pink Slip below, I think Iris roleplaying as a reporter has masked their posts in a way that makes them hard for me to read, I think them prodding people about the election is good and some of their recent posts I've seen on these pages were okay but I'd need to see more to give anything other than a "not villagery but not wolfy" read.

Presidential votes are generally not something that we can read a lot into right now with so much of an unknown factor, and knowing that the prize of it is simply bonus vote power makes me not... really care about it anyway. [Noted, if the wolves knew that the presidential prize was vote power, they likely would not want another wolf to get the vote power, unless they thought said wolf could deepwolf the game regardless. Which... I dunno, maybe? Aliens does have pretty good posts so far that I could expect a good wolf to pull off, but I'm not really suspecting them regardless.]

Agreed, I don't know if it does more than just the votes but I think it won't be super fruitful to try and read people off of. I don't mind asking everyone to claim their vote though - I don't see how it could harm anything and keeping track at least gives us something, however minuscule.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

> on Pink Slip below

above, actually, in one of my posts below yours but above mine in the reply. Oops.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

It's okay, its just my gut feeling! If I had anything to sus Purple Forest I'd be telling it

At most Im slightly pinged because Im not liking their post, and they are shaped like I *should* be tring that shit. But its perfectly plausible for the skill issue to be on me. Regardless thats why I said its not a D1 issue

Really good post from snail.

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

JIF's bait vote feels real. And I like Pink Slip's reaction when joining the train (even though the starter vote was bad), I am not liking any of Snippy's posts right now.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I think the conversation you're ISOing from Purple makes Dew Horse and possibly Mountaintop look worse actually. Wolf!Dew throws out a lamist argument to scumpaint T!Purple but doesn't do anything with it because it's a fake read. Or W!Mountaintop presses a T!Dew to make him look silly but it doesn't go anywhere. I guess you could also argue a W/W Dew/Mountaintop where one partner thinks the other is going a bit too hard on Purple. Purple looks relatively unphased by the whole thing.

It's exceedingly difficult to be switching around names like Mountain Dew and Mountaintop btw.

???

>Wolf!Dew throws out a lamist argument to scumpaint T!Purple but doesn't do anything with it because it's a fake read.

Dew was not doing that - they had something positive and something negative, and ended with null:

This is a mindmeld, but can also be LAMIST so I wont award you any town points for it. But you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

> Or W!Mountaintop presses a T!Dew to make him look silly but it doesn't go anywhere.

And why do you think this is more likely than T!Me saying a read?

[FM-Raincoat Cat]

My poor feline eyes absolutely cannot read these super small fonts. Going to need to use reading mode or something to force default so I can see what LotL is saying.

[FM-Wasteland]

FM-Happy Drunk (1):
FM-Purple Forest
FM-White Square (2):
FM-Smug Viking, FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Dirty Harry (1):
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Angry Clown (1):
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Incognito (2):
FM-Wine Mom, FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Bosun (1):
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-My Plants (1):
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Mtn Dew Horse (2):
FM-Great Speech, FM-Aliens Are Real

Just to make it clear to everyone so we can all stay on the same page about trains and vote counts- That number should be 4. I have a vote power of 1 +2 for Pres

woah what?
+2 for president is real strong
next time imma draw myself abraham president or smth

[FM-Purple Forest]

Wh... what? If this is a joke, it's a subtle one lol. "it's obviously a joke" is leagues away from my thoughts, even after you explain the "joke", so... I mean, no?

As for pinging you, um, you're probably asking me to ping you in every post I'll make at this point, so I'll try to pick something that's particularly meaningful if you want lol.

Okay, you're a much less systematic player than I thought you were based on your style. ABORT MISSION

You're just going in a relatively chaotic manner until you get to mech and all, which is understandable; you're not coming from/attempting to appear to come from where I thought you were. Alright, alright, scrapping my read on you.
(And by the way, boxing wolves starting on D1 is a great playstyle, also known as townhunting. It's popular in some communities, and for good reason. So basically, I think we should at the very least try to start boxing wolves in on D1, even though it may be difficult; this game doesn't look particularly easy to figure out either. /playstyle rant)

@FM-Purple Forest i think you wanted a ping? here

Uh... excuse me, what? I do not understand this post at all. "I have made several posts to those degrees of varying players"...? also, isn't Ryast pretty much the most active player (and not you)? Am I developing Alzheimer's?

@FM-Great Speech
Hi, I've realized I townread you now, sorry! I also definitely misconstrued the amount of presence that I had and that Ryast had as of yet. Thank you for keeping me updated though, I do appreciate it (and these posts helped me find you at least.)

@FM-Purple Forest i forgor which i believe means they're not that strong tbh

Ok. Town bin is now the happy alcoholic the forest and mr president. none of these are particularly confident but they're town nayway because that's how the universe works

no nulls you read 68 posts and have enough knowledge on them to call an alignment. that post was wolfy hedge so commit to a read there

If viking's content isn't that good we could probably look into punting his ass

Wow, Bosun continues to somehow exude scumminess even when they bring up points I agree with. Not sure what that means.

I'm not... huge on Bosun's return to thread and still think they're >rand scum here. Particularly bolded feels like something just to *say* soemthing whild also failing to actually place an opinion on Viking here? As well as the tiff with Great Speech makes them feel very. uhm, posturing? In an attempt to feel like theyre placing strong points but ultimately failing to? Like who cares if Great Speech is hedging on Snail. Snail is literally the most nebulous player in the game right now. What's Bosun's read on Snail here? What's the point here? I have

-vote FM-Wasteland

this slot has like 4 posts but i don’t like any of them. feels awkward and fake. i’m not gonna bother pulling all the posts up, you can look.



don’t like thid vote. feels like voting for the sake of it.

Sure.

-vote FM-Wasteland

hi hi hello!! :o)

I got back to thread, went to ISO Bosun and fell asleep instead. Curious as to what this means for their alignment :oO

I think it means you are an outed wolf :hmmyes:.

[FM-Wasteland]

It kinda makes sense. Do you not trust our God and savior, Aliens Are Real?

wow chill, hes president not the fuehrer

[FM-Wasteland]

We could rule this town with an iron fist.

-vote FM-Fast Fish

thats quite uncool to say from you

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

woah what?
+2 for president is real strong
next time imma draw myself abraham president or smth

This post feels so forced to me. Like a wolf that's trying to sneak by slacking. There's been so much more to comment on in this game than just the president election. 4/7 of their posts are about the election and not in a constructive way like Happy Drunk. I like the train here and I'll join it for now.

-vote FM-Wasteland

[FM-Purple Forest]

I think off the top of my head I currently have the following pool of players in my townish list (ordered by memory);
- Jiraffe
- Fast Fish
- Lolcat
- My Plants
- Ryast
- Mountain Tops

If I needed to, I could probably say the following players are null but are hedging closer to towny;
- Wine Mom
- Happy Drunk
- Snippy
- Orange Iris

I ~suspect the following;
- Bosun
- Lovely Bug
- Pink Slip

Anybody else is just too vague for me to have actual opinions on.

A vague update;

Townish;
- Fish
- Jiraffe
- My Plants
- Pink Slip
- Drunk
- Mountain Tops
- Great Speech


+Nullish;
- Snail
- Wine Mom
- Ryast
- Iris
- Aliens
- Zoomer
- Sandwich
- Lady

-Nullish;
- Wasteland
- Raincoat Cat


Wolffish;
- Bosun
- Bug



...I fear I might be townreading mostly active posters hm. I do think there's likely at least one (and max 2) in Snail/Ryast/Bosun.
I think most needed players to look into for now are like... <Ryast/Harry/Viking/Gay Cat Rock/Clown>. Which means I won't.

[FM-Purple Forest]

I should probably note that I have no clue how to word my suspicion on Lovely Bug, I just do. Sorry (your icon is really cute though v.v).

[FM-My Plants]

Ryast read on Bosun reminded me of when FM-Scarf had to bullshit a reason to townread a partner Im ngl

This reasoning vibes towny to me ^^
Also helps that I'm confbiasing w!Ryast

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

I'm not... huge on Bosun's return to thread and still think they're >rand scum here. Particularly bolded feels like something just to *say* soemthing whild also failing to actually place an opinion on Viking here?

This is actually a pretty good callout but I want to offer you a question:

Do you think a wolf makes those five posts pretty much back-to-back with seemingly very little consideration as to their contents? I am not sure that a wolf goes straight from "no they have 60 posts you can't find them null" to basically asserting that they have no strong read on them whatsoever. A wolf probably plays that differently. With that said I'm not sure that I'm willing to give them a pass for the rest of the day but the fluidity of their thoughts gives me pause before putting them in the scum bucket.

[FM-Incognito]

Overall I... don't get a lot from this. It's evidently a wall made out of obligation, and probably >rand wolf, but I'd want to dig into some specific interactions here..



@FM-Incognito , can you elaborate on your thoughts here. What specifically did you like? Can you go look into the argument in more detail, and say what you think about it?

Oh, I was too excited to put a vote I had good confidence in and forgot to mention something lol, oopsies

Ryast-Plants looks specifically W/T. This is the kind of read a wolf makes on a townie so that they can "check" the slot on their list without locking themselves away from potentially good pushes later on.

I haven't seen the context here but the first line pings me town. Currently reading up, by the way, and I voted for myself last night.

Do you draw any conclusions from that post? Thoughts on my analysis of it?

(In other news, who thought making a sans-serif font and naming it GOTHIC was a good idea? That's a damn crime against font aesthetic, and I will not stand for such treachery)

I do not! That being said I haven't read your analysis yet

Do you draw any conclusions from that post? Thoughts on my analysis of it?

(In other news, who thought making a sans-serif font and naming it GOTHIC was a good idea? That's a damn crime against font aesthetic, and I will not stand for such treachery)

Now that I've read it - no I don't agree with your analysis. It is very common to say something is towny and not explain why, and I see no issue with stating a lack of confidence. You're claiming that Ryast is avoiding committing to the townread - but do you really believe that a wolf can't just reverse their read on a later day? It's the first few hours of day 1.

I liked that fact that he went back to read the context on Ryast and I agree that wolves can reverse their course on d1 with ease. As for the interaction Ryast had with plants / or more like commentary Ryast did on plants. Ryast is very open with his small reads on pretty much everything, I don't see the link between that behavior and alignment, I can surely use it later when reads become more solid but day 1 I agree that Speech was more on a smear campaign against a high poster rather than trying.. That doesn't mean I like Ryast, but on this I can agree with him.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

...I fear I might be townreading mostly active posters hm.

currently compiling my list and I think I have the same issue

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

-vote FM-Fast Fish

thats quite uncool to say from you

This type of shitpost vote halfway into the day just screams "I don't know how to fake contribution today".
@FM-Wasteland If this is a legitimately placed vote I need something much more substantial from you than this to justify it.

[FM-Wine Mom]

TLDR: @FM-Wine Mom

Peanut-chan votes for snail-san
Alledgely this is to make a reaction test
However, Slippy and Pink san had "bad" reactions




Slippy's inital reaction

I see slippy-san reaction as mocking if anything and I do agree that Jiraffe's way of trying to get people to jump on snail is weird. Like they are saying "I have weird vibes on snail, anyone else agree?"
= trying to look for validation= doesn't actually have anything to say. Slippy's response is valid here which makes me question Jiraffe's quick backpedal and I don't see how Jiraffe sees slippy as scummy for it



Pink's initial reaction

Fits with their continued push tbh, considering they had more snail arguments later



another slippy response which imo doesn't look bad



Jiraffe to Pink-san

Its like even if reaction test was real, why single out Slippy specifically? and like their reaction wasn't even bad. + If it were me, I would not just reaction test 2 people and call it a day. I would want at least 5. So the abrupt ending without the usual multiple page bantering you would do to test a reaction vs like 8 posts = feels off /bad and fake

Thank you.

[FM-Incognito]

To be clear, just because I’m presenting my opinions strongly does not mean I’m intending to be rude so apologies if it came across that way. I’m not reading everything so if you previously asked me about my vote on you it probably went unanswered because I did not see it, so I would ask to be pinged.

Not sure what you mean by my read on you being influenced by Iris — I don’t really recall any posts from that player at all apart from the early role playing. I voted you because I felt unsure about Bosun being scum and felt that your reads on them (i.e. being annoying for voting sleep but otherwise towny) was not genuine. Case in point, I have never seen anyone get truly annoyed by an RVS sleep vote two hours into the day. Yes, I called you Bosun’s partner for that post when I first saw it because it fit the mold of scum seeing their buddy being pushed and feeling obligated to comment on the slot while shading them but not actually adding on to the push in any meaningful way and simultaneously discrediting the push by calling the rest of their posts unremarkable.

Like I said, feel free to ping for more questions.

Then I have misread you. The timing of your vote with the lack of context made me think that you didn't like my interaction with Iris and it pushed you over the edge to vote me. If its really the Bosun thing, then meh, like I indicated in the above post, I was reading him as obviously joking and wasn't taking him seriously at the time, I guess you took both of us a little more serious than I intended.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

currently compiling my list and I think I have the same issue

Part of my issue is that even though every player has checked in it still feels like I'm missing half the thread. And that hasn't been an issue with me failing to interact with people. Every time I've been here I've been analyzing and referencing different people. It just feels like so many people are completely missing.

[FM-Purple Forest]

This is actually a pretty good callout but I want to offer you a question:

Do you think a wolf makes those five posts pretty much back-to-back with seemingly very little consideration as to their contents? I am not sure that a wolf goes straight from "no they have 60 posts you can't find them null" to basically asserting that they have no strong read on them whatsoever. A wolf probably plays that differently. With that said I'm not sure that I'm willing to give them a pass for the rest of the day but the fluidity of their thoughts gives me pause before putting them in the scum bucket.

You might be right but also right now I want to believe I'm correct so I will let myself think about this later okay?

currently compiling my list and I think I have the same issue

This is my new readlist;

FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Fast Fish
FM-Ryast
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Purple Forest
FM-Bosun
FM-Angry Clown
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-Wine Mom
FM-Happy Drunk
FM-Snippy
FM-Lady of the Lake
FM-Pink Slip
FM-Orange Iris
FM-Gay Cat Rock
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Great Speech
FM-Mtn Dew Horse
FM-Incognito
FM-Dirty Harry
KRC Hosts
FM-White Square
FM-My Plants
FM-Zoomer Power
FM-Lolcat
FM-Sassy Witch
FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Wasteland
FM-Tiny Sandwich
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Green Nya

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

You might be right but also right now I want to believe I'm correct so I will let myself think about this later okay?

You're so real for this.