S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Lolcat]

never a pair? what?

their mech commentary came from two different perspectives. i don't see them w/w since like first few pages lol

[FM-Happy Drunk]

Or in the wild wacky world that doesn't exist, viking and I are scum and he fucked us both with only one vote (me) on him

[FM-Happy Drunk]

I'm content to let viking sit by for now and claim tomorrow or flip, honestly I think I'm buying into the idea that scum coordinated to vote someone who isn't scum to distract us

[FM-Pink Slip]

The only thing that stood out to me is that I didn't see any LAMIST in Purple's post. I asked Dew, but then later realized where the LAMIST was (namely, Dew likely read Purple's post as saying "haha there's no town chat, I'm not in a factional chat because I'm town"). So there was no longer any reason to follow up.

wait, you're not in the town chat?

[FM-Lolcat]

I'm content to let viking sit by for now and claim tomorrow or flip, honestly I think I'm buying into the idea that scum coordinated to vote someone who isn't scum to distract us

I have been staring at vote history page for the past 10 minutes nya

[FM-Snail Streamer]

i am surprised to see what *seem* like in-depth reads at this stage of the game? unsure how to feel about it bc i don't entirely disagree with their basis either (or what I believe their basis to be) but I am usually kinda w/e about early game reads

[MENTION=46841]
I like this post. It is good and towny.

i am leaning purple forest town but i do think the reasoning is "i like how he types"
im sticking with it tho lmao

I write post good you write post towny lets fuse.

Basically my issue is that for w-w this is maybe too on the face. But what bothered me more from purple's side is that Jiraffe post wasnt anything towny, it was a blanket thread read with no direction. Why do they townread that? And then later the "lets fuse" commentary just reads as pocketing to me

[FM-Happy Drunk]

I have been staring at vote history page for the past 10 minutes nya

Oh I mean I was talking about the presidential vote/n0 vote.

I will take a look at that vote history page, and start to construct a world with scum in it.

[FM-Happy Drunk]

FM-Wasteland (3):
FM-Purple Forest, FM-Lady of the Lake, FM-Pink Slip
FM-White Square (1):
FM-Smug Viking
FM-Dirty Harry (5):
FM-Angry Clown, FM-Wine Mom, FM-Great Speech, FM-Mtn Dew Horse, FM-White Square
FM-Mountain Tops (2):
FM-Fast Fish, FM-Lovely Bug
FM-Bosun (1):
FM-Mountain Tops
FM-Smug Viking (1):
FM-Snail Streamer
FM-Lady of the Lake (1):
FM-Jiraffe
FM-Pink Slip (1):
FM-Aliens Are Real
FM-Incognito (2):
FM-Ryast, FM-Raincoat Cat
FM-Fast Fish (2):
FM-Wasteland, FM-Gay Cat Rock
FM-Angry Clown (1):
FM-Lolcat
FM-Jiraffe (3):
FM-Snippy, FM-Happy Drunk, FM-Dirty Harry
FM-Purple Forest (1):
FM-Zoomer Power

T-18 hours

[FM-Snail Streamer]

their mech commentary came from two different perspectives. i don't see them w/w since like first few pages lol

Im still lost on the w-w shtick. Paired with whom ?

im voting Vicking rn because I think they are likely scum , if they are town then we get a conf villa.If Happy Drunk is a wolf then they should be dying soon regardless. Unless I misinterpreted the claim theres not that much of a downside

[FM-Happy Drunk]

Next five or six hours we should really start consolidating

[FM-Snail Streamer]

-vote FM-Bosun

if they are not really going to be here maybe not as good as a wagon. Viking will be the unexpected flashwagon at EoD trust

[FM-Snail Streamer]

If someone also gives me cliff notes on the harry wagon will appreciate it, since that slot is mostly a blindspot to me rn. Should compile my list of trust soonish but feeling lazy. Being a snail teaches you its okay to take your time

[FM-Lolcat]

-vote FM-My Plants

it's been a while since i've played fm so i'll blame any mistakes i make on that

I think Jiraffe is town? Hopping into thread, voting me with no explanation, solving elsewhere. Imo wolves wants their reasoning for voting to be somewhat known.

i don't wanna read the game while geekin. i am gettin terrible ideas

[FM-Lolcat]

If someone also gives me cliff notes on the harry wagon will appreciate it, since that slot is mostly a blindspot to me rn. Should compile my list of trust soonish but feeling lazy. Being a snail teaches you its okay to take your time

every single person on that wagon is lower than harry in my reads

[FM-Mountain Tops]

Fish:
- Believed I’m pushing him early-game, when I fairly clearly wasn’t
- - When someone (Wine Mom) called this wolfy (#155), he followed up with another strained post (#156)
- Says “most games I've been in, there's only one wolf early and the rest come later and post cute things to let you town tunnel to death” (#164), which doesn’t make sense with voting me, where I’d have to specifically be the early wolf

I was previously wolfreading #756 as well, where I think the logic is bad, but I’m not sure if it’s wolfy anymore.

What are people’s reasons to TR Fish?

[FM-Lolcat]

not that i have any strong opinion on harry. everyone is pretty much null or so.

[FM-Happy Drunk]

I'm a little lost trying to develop my world.

I'm getting scum pings from bosum, purple, and jiraffe, but they all have completely different interactions from eachother.
What pings me the most about purple is their hyperfixating on bosum for quite a few posts in their ISO, then dropping them randomly in their town leans? Additionally joking that they are wolf
Jiraffe has had mostly one sided interactions with purple.
Bosum town leaned purple, tried to buddy up with me, joked about being wolf. I do like them calling out great speech for being hedgy though

[FM-White Square]

Fish:
- Believed I’m pushing him early-game, when I fairly clearly wasn’t
- - When someone (Wine Mom) called this wolfy (#155), he followed up with another strained post (#156)
- Says “most games I've been in, there's only one wolf early and the rest come later and post cute things to let you town tunnel to death” (#164), which doesn’t make sense with voting me, where I’d have to specifically be the early wolf

I was previously wolfreading #756 as well, where I think the logic is bad, but I’m not sure if it’s wolfy anymore.

What are people’s reasons to TR Fish?

hm

-vote FM-Fast Fish

[FM-Fast Fish]

-vote FM-Bosun

if they are not really going to be here maybe not as good as a wagon. Viking will be the unexpected flashwagon at EoD trust

Bosun v. Viking are terrible wagons even for EOD1.

Bosun hasn't really posted anything scummy imo and just stream of consciousness'd all day and wanted Viking gone for reasons weve discussed. Any semi-mechanical reason to push Viking also went out the window when he essentially checked out due to flu and wants his slot resolved like that. He didn't even interact with enough people for us to get spew reads. My guess is, Bosun flips green, Viking doesn't die because WIFON and we're in a worst position because of it.

Plus I've been townreading Bosun. I was lurking earlier and watching the convo he was having with Happy Drunk wondering when it'd click for them to want to go after Viking. It didn't take long so I know they're at least actively thinking about some considerations like that. Same goes for Happy Drunk, obviously.

[FM-Lolcat]

Bosun v. Viking are terrible wagons even for EOD1.

Bosun hasn't really posted anything scummy imo and just stream of consciousness'd all day and wanted Viking gone for reasons weve discussed. Any semi-mechanical reason to push Viking also went out the window when he essentially checked out due to flu and wants his slot resolved like that. He didn't even interact with enough people for us to get spew reads. My guess is, Bosun flips green, Viking doesn't die because WIFON and we're in a worst position because of it.

Plus I've been townreading Bosun. I was lurking earlier and watching the convo he was having with Happy Drunk wondering when it'd click for them to want to go after Viking. It didn't take long so I know they're at least actively thinking about some considerations like that. Same goes for Happy Drunk, obviously.

whats your read on great speech?

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

FM-Wasteland (3):
FM-Purple Forest, FM-Lady of the Lake, FM-Pink Slip

Feels like a slacking wolf trying to coast by. Would like to see this go but could be persuaded to vote elsewhere and leave this slot to ITA tomorrow.

FM-White Square (1):
FM-Smug Viking

No strong thoughts on White Square. I know they've engaged with me before but I don't remember anything they said.

FM-Dirty Harry (5):
FM-Angry Clown, FM-Wine Mom, FM-Great Speech, FM-Mtn Dew Horse, FM-White Square

I get alarm bells when I look at this train. Not because I don't think Dirty Harry is wolf- this dude smells fishy (and not in a fast way). But I don't think that it makes much sense for two low contribution names in Mtn Dew Horse and White Square to both be on here. I remember Mtn Dew Horse's vote and it felt unsubstantial at the time. It feels even worse in the greater context of the vote count with T-18. I need to be convinced why Dirty Harry is scum before I move my vote here, I think. I'd rather vote Mtn Dew Horse in particular who feels very similar to Harry but worse.

FM-Mountain Tops (2):
FM-Fast Fish, FM-Lovely Bug

I would need to review Mountain Tops if this became a more substantial train later in the day but as it stands I don't feel comfortable letting this guy go over today.

FM-Bosun (2):
FM-Mountain Tops, FM-Snail Streamer

I made a post discussing this guy earlier. He had a stream of consciousness that felt very villagery to me in his last pop-in. I don't think I want him going over today.

FM-Lady of the Lake (1):
FM-Jiraffe

This was an OMGUS vote and I expect it will move the next time Jiraffe enters the thread.

FM-Pink Slip (1 3):
FM-Aliens Are Real

This is a stupid ass vote and it needs to be moved @FM-Aliens Are Real this dude is never the elim today

FM-Incognito (2):
FM-Ryast, FM-Raincoat Cat

Maybe I've missed something but I've felt everything this guy has said has come from a believable place. They have a lower post count than I remember though. Would need to be convinced.

FM-Fast Fish (2):
FM-Wasteland, FM-Gay Cat Rock

Wasteland's vote was a late-day shitpost. I consider this train a non-factor. No idea why Fast Fish of all people has two votes.

FM-Angry Clown (1):
FM-Lolcat

I feel that Angry Clown is likely town based on the interactions I had with them surrounding avatar shenanigans.

FM-Jiraffe (3):
FM-Snippy, FM-Happy Drunk, FM-Dirty Harry

I still think Jiraffe is likely wolf but I want to give them an opportunity to come back into the thread and contribute more before pushing this avenue. It's been a while since they've checked in IIRC so I want to know what their newest thoughts are. I'll revisit this one closer to EOD.

FM-Purple Forest (1):
FM-Zoomer Power

This is a stupid vote and zoomer power looks bad for having their vote here.


Overall I like the pressure on Jiraffe, Wasteland and Dirty Harry. I wish there was more pressure on Mtn Dew Horse. I dislike the pressure on Mountain Tops and Bosun.

[FM-Fast Fish]

whats your read on great speech?

They're doing fine. Vocal about what kind of mindset and priorities town should have. World building, maybe trying to butter me up.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

What are people’s reasons to TR Fish?

He has a high post count and I don't want to deal with that right now.

...I never intended to suggest it was a good reason.

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I'm a little lost trying to develop my world.

I'm getting scum pings from bosum, purple, and jiraffe, but they all have completely different interactions from eachother.
What pings me the most about purple is their hyperfixating on bosum for quite a few posts in their ISO, then dropping them randomly in their town leans? Additionally joking that they are wolf
Jiraffe has had mostly one sided interactions with purple.
Bosum town leaned purple, tried to buddy up with me, joked about being wolf. I do like them calling out great speech for being hedgy though

Can you go find the posts you don't like from purple (preferably with some explanations)? I'll find what I liked from them

[FM-Lolcat]

This is a stupid vote and zoomer power looks bad for having their vote here.

can you elaborate on why it is stupid? I was kinda sold on their posts lol

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Can you go find the posts you don't like from purple (preferably with some explanations)? I'll find what I liked from them

Seconding this question although I will put in zero effort to find the reasons I like purple.

[FM-Happy Drunk]

Can you go find the posts you don't like from purple (preferably with some explanations)? I'll find what I liked from them

Their last 3 posts (made within 20 minutes of eachother) are completely different and the latter has way too many scum in it for someone to reasonably construct a world around on day one

[FM-Happy Drunk]

Their last 3 posts (made within 20 minutes of eachother) are completely different and the latter has way too many scum in it for someone to reasonably construct a world around on day one

their read lists, specifically

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

can you elaborate on why it is stupid? I was kinda sold on their posts lol

It's a vote based on an extremely heavy tonal analysis of the first two pages of the game which is now approaching 1/10th of the available information we have. It was outdated when it was placed and it's even more strange several hours later.

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Their last 3 posts (made within 20 minutes of eachother) are completely different and the latter has way too many scum in it for someone to reasonably construct a world around on day one

The second list was a joke list with players assigned colors based on the number of posts they made. You can tell because it includes the host account in the list. Though I do agree it should've been more clear

[FM-Happy Drunk]

The second list was a joke list with players assigned colors based on the number of posts they made. You can tell because it includes the host account in the list. Though I do agree it should've been more clear

oh fuck me

uuuuugh

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

Maybe the fact that I'm able to differentiate the vibes between serious purple and lighthearted semi-joking purple is part of the reason why I feel so good about them.

[FM-Lolcat]

The second list was a joke list with players assigned colors based on the number of posts they made. You can tell because it includes the host account in the list. Though I do agree it should've been more clear

thank you lol

i didn't read since page 13 so yeah

[FM-Lady of the Lake]

oh fuck me

uuuuugh

Its ok. It took me a moment to pick up on and I'm perfectly sober!

[FM-Lolcat]

i saw the colored list with hosts in it and was ???

then i saw zoomers last posts on a skim and thought they were fine. gonna have to do proper reading

[FM-Wine Mom]

Town:
FM-Snail Streamer, FM-Incognito, FM-Mountain Tops, FM-Happy Drunk, FM-Smug Viking, FM-Zoomer Power (honestly this guy fell off, need a reread), FM-Pink Slip, FM-Lady of the Lake

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I quoted the wrong thing I think, but I want to unpair you and Wine Mom from this and Wine Mom's reaction I think. [Also, @FM-Wine Mom , I actually think a wolfmate would more likely not respond this way to a w!Bosun gaining heat, and instead likely deflect or +1 on a village push elsewhere. {Which, actually, makes me want to look at Clown's push on Harry now. But I won't.}]

I like this
Both in a "this feels like an expression of a genuine town thought process", and a "I like this use of [] and {}"

Above

Also,

…I couldn’t have posted that in a less stilted way if I tried. Goodnight, see you in the morning, much love to your pets, say hi for me if you have them, etc.

shows that they're not worried about committing standard wolftells (namely, worrying about their appearance), while evidently being an experienced enough player to avoid such tells if they wanted to.

This reasoning also felt creative (and thus towny)

I'm not... huge on Bosun's return to thread and still think they're >rand scum here. Particularly bolded feels like something just to *say* soemthing whild also failing to actually place an opinion on Viking here? As well as the tiff with Great Speech makes them feel very. uhm, posturing? In an attempt to feel like theyre placing strong points but ultimately failing to? Like who cares if Great Speech is hedging on Snail. Snail is literally the most nebulous player in the game right now. What's Bosun's read on Snail here? What's the point here? I have

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While writing the above I became less convinced of my TR there
Maybe I'm unable to find the posts that convinced me most (though probably not?), but I think it's more of now that I look at them with fresh eyes I don't find them as strong, and it's a lot more clear they're a capable player who I shouldn't underestimate

One thing I noted earlier but didn't think was of consequence was @FM-Purple Forest how did you intend to finish the last quote here?

[FM-Pink Slip]

not feeling jiraffe as a vote. my instinct is to say the same for dirty harry, but there's nothing really backing that up, just an earlier feeling that their townread on me was ok, and that was only after finding it suspect at first. i'm not unhappy with that vote but i prefer elsewhere. fast fish has slipped off my brain completely and i have no thoughts there, but that means i didn't see anything especially pingy. remind me to look back through em later.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Town:
FM-Snail Streamer, FM-Incognito, FM-Mountain Tops, FM-Happy Drunk, FM-Smug Viking, FM-Zoomer Power (honestly this guy fell off, need a reread), FM-Pink Slip, FM-Lady of the Lake

I like your list.

[FM-Wine Mom]

I actually do not think purple forest has been towny at all.

[FM-Incognito]

I see. I know you are currently public enemy number one but — want to mason? I said nothing about it earlier because it did not fit my agenda at the time, but I thought your post shedding light on Aliens omitting a significant portion of their presidential advantage and calling others out for not caring enough to inquire about it felt mildly towny in the way that you brought it up.

I'm intrigued, I find the open invitation in day chat odd but I'll bite. You and I have very opposing playstyles so more insight would be beneficial.

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Just finished going over Jif vs snippy and Lady. My overall sentiments is that I can see where snippy and Lady are coming from, I'm not convinced Jifs reaction test is originally intended as a reaction test - found it clumsy and didn't really gather much info from it, he backed out the moment any opinion shifted against him. I find Snippys points valid however have seen tr make these kinds of "reaction test" so often in the past that I wouldn't pursue it like he is. Then Lady mirrors snippy and gets the same treatment from Jif. I think my biggest issue with Jif is that I mirror Pink Slips thinking about Snail and can follow that reasoning pretty easy so to see Jif back off snail saying he thinks his original vote on snail had so little reason it was obvious - well, to me his little reason had merit making me think him backing off is even worse than it would be if I had snail higher up in my reads.

Now I need to follow the other branch about Pink Slip vs Snail (and whenever Aliens joins the fight)

but will read the 70+ posts that were made while I was rereading that part first.

[FM-Incognito]

I'm intrigued, I find the open invitation in day chat odd but I'll bite. You and I have very opposing playstyles so more insight would be beneficial.

@FM-Wine Mom

[FM-Mountain Tops]

I made a post discussing this guy earlier. He had a stream of consciousness that felt very villagery to me in his last pop-in. I don't think I want him going over today.

Is the below the relevant post from you?

This is actually a pretty good callout but I want to offer you a question:

Do you think a wolf makes those five posts pretty much back-to-back with seemingly very little consideration as to their contents? I am not sure that a wolf goes straight from "no they have 60 posts you can't find them null" to basically asserting that they have no strong read on them whatsoever. A wolf probably plays that differently. With that said I'm not sure that I'm willing to give them a pass for the rest of the day but the fluidity of their thoughts gives me pause before putting them in the scum bucket.

Bosun had been saying "no they have 60 posts you can't find Snail null", and then they give a hedgy read on Viking (who at that point had very few posts)

Does this change your thoughts?


That being said

plants also had a weird post afaik lemme find that

this post pinged me as towny while reading through their ISO so
(would still say they're overall wolfy but the two things I find wolfiest from them are both contradictions, which some players are inclined to make, so it makes me a bit uncomfortable)

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Bosun v. Viking are terrible wagons even for EOD1.

Bosun hasn't really posted anything scummy imo and just stream of consciousness'd all day and wanted Viking gone for reasons weve discussed. Any semi-mechanical reason to push Viking also went out the window when he essentially checked out due to flu and wants his slot resolved like that. He didn't even interact with enough people for us to get spew reads. My guess is, Bosun flips green, Viking doesn't die because WIFON and we're in a worst position because of it.

Plus I've been townreading Bosun. I was lurking earlier and watching the convo he was having with Happy Drunk wondering when it'd click for them to want to go after Viking. It didn't take long so I know they're at least actively thinking about some considerations like that. Same goes for Happy Drunk, obviously.

Who do you think are good wagons?

[FM-Ryast]

I'm back, for like 3.5 hours.

Then I won't be back for preety much the rest of the day phase till 1 hour before EoD, when my half-day of remote work ends (and no I am not going to juggle FM and remote work -- its probably possible, but its too much of a risk that I'd lose complete awareness that I was supposed to be working).

Spoiler : Post :

@FM-Ryast
Quick Question;
Is there anybody at this juncture that you find yourself suspicious of at this time? Especially if you’re coming away from everything with a low to mild townread on all the slots you’ve seen, what’s that make for the wolves? Surely this isn’t a no-scum game of KRC…

That last sentence has the same initial vibes of when Fish said that there were 20+ towns in the game (to which they quickly rephrased once I got ticked off a bit at that). And yet in this case its not only that but also you've also not cared about my vote. Why must the universe do this to me?

Anyways, I was getting suspicious of Fast Fish but then got less suspicious as we got closer to that point. Wine Mom was someone I was suspicious of at that time.

[FM-Ryast]

I'm intrigued, I find the open invitation in day chat odd but I'll bite. You and I have very opposing playstyles so more insight would be beneficial.

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Just finished going over Jif vs snippy and Lady. My overall sentiments is that I can see where snippy and Lady are coming from, I'm not convinced Jifs reaction test is originally intended as a reaction test - found it clumsy and didn't really gather much info from it, he backed out the moment any opinion shifted against him. I find Snippys points valid however have seen tr make these kinds of "reaction test" so often in the past that I wouldn't pursue it like he is. Then Lady mirrors snippy and gets the same treatment from Jif. I think my biggest issue with Jif is that I mirror Pink Slips thinking about Snail and can follow that reasoning pretty easy so to see Jif back off snail saying he thinks his original vote on snail had so little reason it was obvious - well, to me his little reason had merit making me think him backing off is even worse than it would be if I had snail higher up in my reads.

Now I need to follow the other branch about Pink Slip vs Snail (and whenever Aliens joins the fight)

but will read the 70+ posts that were made while I was rereading that part first.

what is going on with this reaction test thingy?

when was it or could someone summarize? Either would be fine, just want to wrap my head around this.

[FM-Ryast]

I actually do not think purple forest has been towny at all.

Any care to elaborate?

[FM-Ryast]

They're doing fine. Vocal about what kind of mindset and priorities town should have. World building, maybe trying to butter me up.

Lets say you know there is a wolf between me and them.

Who would you think it was and why?

Not to suggest that I think Speech is a wolf, just seeing how you evaluate us in the context of the other.

[FM-Ryast]

Feels like a slacking wolf trying to coast by. Would like to see this go but could be persuaded to vote elsewhere and leave this slot to ITA tomorrow.



No strong thoughts on White Square. I know they've engaged with me before but I don't remember anything they said.



I get alarm bells when I look at this train. Not because I don't think Dirty Harry is wolf- this dude smells fishy (and not in a fast way). But I don't think that it makes much sense for two low contribution names in Mtn Dew Horse and White Square to both be on here. I remember Mtn Dew Horse's vote and it felt unsubstantial at the time. It feels even worse in the greater context of the vote count with T-18. I need to be convinced why Dirty Harry is scum before I move my vote here, I think. I'd rather vote Mtn Dew Horse in particular who feels very similar to Harry but worse.



I would need to review Mountain Tops if this became a more substantial train later in the day but as it stands I don't feel comfortable letting this guy go over today.



I made a post discussing this guy earlier. He had a stream of consciousness that felt very villagery to me in his last pop-in. I don't think I want him going over today.



This was an OMGUS vote and I expect it will move the next time Jiraffe enters the thread.



This is a stupid ass vote and it needs to be moved @FM-Aliens Are Real this dude is never the elim today



Maybe I've missed something but I've felt everything this guy has said has come from a believable place. They have a lower post count than I remember though. Would need to be convinced.



Wasteland's vote was a late-day shitpost. I consider this train a non-factor. No idea why Fast Fish of all people has two votes.



I feel that Angry Clown is likely town based on the interactions I had with them surrounding avatar shenanigans.



I still think Jiraffe is likely wolf but I want to give them an opportunity to come back into the thread and contribute more before pushing this avenue. It's been a while since they've checked in IIRC so I want to know what their newest thoughts are. I'll revisit this one closer to EOD.



This is a stupid vote and zoomer power looks bad for having their vote here.


Overall I like the pressure on Jiraffe, Wasteland and Dirty Harry. I wish there was more pressure on Mtn Dew Horse. I dislike the pressure on Mountain Tops and Bosun.

This is a surprisingly useful post to have. Towny but also, like, I maaaaaay have been skimming over and past Lake just because their text (with that font specifically) looks super friggin tiny on a 4K monitor screen.

[FM-Fast Fish]

Lets say you know there is a wolf between me and them.

Who would you think it was and why?

Not to suggest that I think Speech is a wolf, just seeing how you evaluate us in the context of the other.

In that case, them obviously. I thought their push against your plant hot-take was funny and borderline over the top but I didn't read it as particularly scummy in a vacuum.