S-FM 362: ?KRC: Odyssey through the Ages

[FM-Orange Iris]

I'm still trying to decide if this little escapade against me is trying to mask a slip that you made and minimizing a simple question I had asked you.

What "slip" are you talking about? I answered you. If you're having trouble understanding, keep reading until you do.

I'd like to ask everyone to claim where they voted for the presidency last night, I know we can't exactly trace every vote since I think there were some no-votes, but I am suspect of the slots who received 2 or more votes and where those votes came from

Good point. I voted for Gay Cat Rock. If he wins, it would not only be the first gay president, but also the first cat president of our country! This sensation would have garnered millions of listeners for SSN Radio!


SSN Radio is back on the air!
We continue our report from the inauguration. After the president's speech, a heated discussion started, which seems to have nothing to do with the speech. Now our correspondents are listening attentively to everything that was said, after which we will select a few passers-by and ask them a few questions. Stay with us!

[FM-Orange Iris]

-vote FM-Snail Streamer

a lot of their posts are very pingy to me, is anyone else feeling this? sort of strange treatment by thread as well (tho not terribly unique)

-vote FM-Jiraffe

a lot of their posts are very pingy to me, is anyone else feeling this? sort of strange treatment by thread as well (tho not terribly unique)

also have not read much from them but disliked that post soooooo much

Lawyers disagreed on whether this citation constituted fair use.

[FM-Orange Iris]

However, we will note the fact that Snippy may be protecting Snail in such a strange way.

[FM-Angry Clown]

@FM-Purple Forest (this should work I hope!)

hello!! :o)

For Mountain Tops, my initial read on them was that they felt quite inquisitive, was quick to break the ice and get stuck in with providing reads and insight into the n0 event in a way which I vibed with. Reading back through now I mostly agree with that sentiment still, their posting still feels quite good to me and feels like they're genuinely considering their reads not just throwing them out for the sake of it.

I cant quite explain it how I'd like to, cant fully put the words to it, but I can grab examples if that helps illustrate it?

My only hangup was their reaction to my vote on Harry, it felt a little like they had jumped the gun a bit on it? Though I feel that's only really something I'd be concerned about if Harry is actually scum, and admittedly I havent seen anything from them since my initial prod so I'd rather not get too wrapped up in that world for now :o(

Overall feels good to me for now :o)

Will read through Bosun now as well!!

[FM-Angry Clown]

Pawsitively.

Meowvelous

[FM-Angry Clown]

Ah, I forgot my nose. Forgive me, I'm still a clown in training

:o)

[FM-Orange Iris]

Mtn Dew Horse (pfp described as a "warg" by someone) - My gut was saying wolves in this game wouldn't open with a polite and nice first post. That said they've only made five posts and the rest are kinda ehhh. So low low low townread. Like on thin ice townread.

I don't agree. Mafia is more interested in creating a good impression than town, since the lynching of the first day will be based on feelings and impressions, because there is not enough data for logical conclusions yet.

[FM-Lolcat]

Lean(d)ing Town:
Mountain Tops - seems engaged and is providing analysis. their posts feel town, but i need to see more.
Fast Fish - i like the playful, chaotic personality... enjoying the direction. their interactions with Ryast feels natural and not paired.

Null with slight town pings:
Ryast - townread numerous players, which could be a sign of a townie trying to sort the game or a wolf trying to pocket multiple players. their reads seem reasonable, though.


where the pendulum swings fastest:
betting on snail vs pink slip never being w/w. im interested in how they will progress their reads and this game later on. totally hitting that subscribe button


null with slight wolf lean:
Great Speech - read on Ryast feels like a stretch indeed, and their townread on Plants is based on a common behavior. their posts are structured in a way which could be a wolf trying to control the narrative.

nill
Wine Mom - confident tone and their idea to make Mountain Tops a town leader is interesting. It could be a genuine attempt to organize town or a wolf trying to buddy up early on.
Purple Forest - early odd posts, their reads were based on trivial things, including their read of me. However, their later posts show more thought.
Bosun - early posts felt flimsy but later posts started having more substance to them. tr on Happy Drunk is superficial and idk how to read that alignment wise rn
orange iris - not making many reads but having a lot to say/roleplay is kinda flying under the radar stuff
Lady of the Lake - lightweight posts and their vote on white square is kinda rvs.
White Square - mostly defensive. not much yet.
and pmuch everyone else goes into null pile for now.



keeping my vote on clown for now but in my heart i am an anarchist and hate politics ahem

[FM-Orange Iris]

hello everybody!!
bit late to the party, but better late than never.

Take this opportunity to answer as many questions for our radio.

Who did you vote for in the presidential election?
Are you encouraged by the President's speech?
Do you watch Snail's streamings?

[FM-Lolcat]

hi hi hello!! :o)

so many cats in thread... hold on.....

^•o•^

perfect

give me a second, will skim back now!! :o)

you know it is peak krc when you have more cats, more fonts and more schizoposting

[FM-Orange Iris]

Lean(d)ing Town:
Mountain Tops - seems engaged and is providing analysis. their posts feel town, but i need to see more.
Fast Fish - i like the playful, chaotic personality... enjoying the direction. their interactions with Ryast feels natural and not paired.

Null with slight town pings:
Ryast - townread numerous players, which could be a sign of a townie trying to sort the game or a wolf trying to pocket multiple players. their reads seem reasonable, though.


where the pendulum swings fastest:
betting on snail vs pink slip never being w/w. im interested in how they will progress their reads and this game later on. totally hitting that subscribe button


null with slight wolf lean:
Great Speech - read on Ryast feels like a stretch indeed, and their townread on Plants is based on a common behavior. their posts are structured in a way which could be a wolf trying to control the narrative.

nill
Wine Mom - confident tone and their idea to make Mountain Tops a town leader is interesting. It could be a genuine attempt to organize town or a wolf trying to buddy up early on.
Purple Forest - early odd posts, their reads were based on trivial things, including their read of me. However, their later posts show more thought.
Bosun - early posts felt flimsy but later posts started having more substance to them. tr on Happy Drunk is superficial and idk how to read that alignment wise rn
orange iris - not making many reads but having a lot to say/roleplay is kinda flying under the radar stuff
Lady of the Lake - lightweight posts and their vote on white square is kinda rvs.
White Square - mostly defensive. not much yet.
and pmuch everyone else goes into null pile for now.



keeping my vote on clown for now but in my heart i am an anarchist and hate politics ahem

You didn't mention our radio! What do you think of it?

[FM-Orange Iris]

orange iris - not making many reads but having a lot to say/roleplay is kinda flying under the radar stuff

Oh, sorry, you did! But for some reason you spelled my name with a small letter! Do you really dislike our radio so much?

[FM-Orange Iris]

Nevertheless, I will answer this question. We are a media outlet, and before we make serious accusations against someone, we must have good reasons for doing so. Otherwise, we will face serious legal costs and reputational damage.

Nevertheless, SSN Radio will voice its suspicions on the evening air. Stay tuned!

[FM-Lolcat]

Oh, sorry, you did! But for some reason you spelled my name with a small letter! Do you really dislike our radio so much?

idk kinda wanted to emphasize my point there lol

ok i will be gone again for some time be back with some alcohol - and i mean real alcoho like fr

[FM-Lolcat]

Nevertheless, I will answer this question. We are a media outlet, and before we make serious accusations against someone, we must have good reasons for doing so. Otherwise, we will face serious legal costs and reputational damage.

Nevertheless, SSN Radio will voice its suspicions on the evening air. Stay tuned!

bet bet

[FM-Orange Iris]

ok i will be gone again for some time be back with some alcohol - and i mean real alcoho like fr

Alcohol or catnip? Our feline experts explore this question after the commercial break.

[KRC Hosts]

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FM-Aliens Are Real has three votes today.

This will not reflect on the Votecount until EOD, because updating this now would remove all votes.
Automated Votecounts should be accurate starting tomorrow.

Living Players

@FM-Aliens Are Real @FM-Angry Clown @FM-Bosun @FM-Dirty Harry @FM-Fast Fish @FM-Gay Cat Rock @FM-Great Speech @FM-Green Nya @FM-Happy Drunk @FM-Incognito @FM-Jiraffe @FM-Lady of the Lake @FM-Lolcat @FM-Lovely Bug @FM-Mountain Tops @FM-Mtn Dew Horse @FM-My Plants @FM-Orange Iris @FM-Pink Slip @FM-Purple Forest @FM-Raincoat Cat @FM-Ryast @FM-Sassy Witch @FM-Smug Viking @FM-Snail Streamer @FM-Snippy @FM-Tiny Sandwich @FM-Wasteland @FM-White Square @FM-Wine Mom @FM-Zoomer Power

[FM-Incognito]

@FM-Incognito
Why did you chose Fast Fish out of anybody else???

Because I realized that if we all just vote for ourselves, then we were handing the mafia a free election. So I didn't vote for myself. contrary to what wine lady thinks was smart

As for why Fast Fish? I literally threw the player list into random.org and his name ended up on top. I figured that with no info, a random vote at least has a higher chance to be on town than on scum and a 1/30 chance to be on the person scum would be voting for. Just a matter of probabilities, did I think Fish would win? No... but it does reveal to me that Fish did not vote for himself since my vote is the only vote he got, still not sure if he voted for someone else or did not vote at all. (and I'm not gonna ask him since he didn't reply to that drunk fellow who asked everyone who we voted for)

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

Catching up and I have some thoughts but this bit jumped out at me

well you can go on not believing it, idc. if it helps, a lot of the contrarian feeling is specifically coming off of lovely bug's reads. my first two reads were a scumread on wine mom and a townread on mountain tops, and two of her four first reads were the exact opposite. my natural instinct is to disagree with the other reads she gave, including the townread on you. her posts were also some of the first posts made when i was entering thread so those feel like the natural "thread consensus" to me.

you're acting like a hissy cat upon being scumread, lashing out pretty hard at the two people who expressed it. i'd be remiss not to take that into account, since it's such a distinct behavior pattern, but idk how i really feel about it. the usual l0 thought is to townread it because it expresses that you have confidence in your own alignment, but i don't really feel comfortable saying that here tbh.

Very out of place thing to say imo. So I searched the thread and found this

did anybody else get a cat last night

Looks like someone is hunting for people that have cats- @FM-Pink Slip
Something to keep in mind if someone claims to have a cat and something happens to them

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

But yeah, Host confirms my vote is 3. If end of D1 happens and I am not around for any reason absolutely keep that in mind for whatever trains are going and maybe mention it so others do as well.

So far a few thoughts but generally getting a feeling people some people are overstating reads. Fits with D1 but also something to watch for if its going on later in the game as it can be an excuse to take a position without giving reasoning that could get a wolf caught. Pink Slips either throwing shade or paranoid town. Seems to be resistant to people giving town reads. Ryast has a LOT of positions but not that much reasoning to back it. Many of the reasons for their positions feel vague.

Skimmed Bosuns' iso and I hated it. More posts than me and has not really taken a single position. Like they are participating without hunting and posting to make them look like they are not lurking.

More thoughts as I get into the thread. Ugly start to the day but hopefully Mafia will go well : )

[FM-Incognito]

I was more-so saying if you wanted to get as much information then you'd probably risk getting uncertain (not completely trustworthy) information as well -- and therefore @ them with questions about it to get at least a claim on paper or something like that

so like if they claim X on early d1 but then something contradicts their claim later it'd be easier to spot

at least as compared to them not claiming what it did and then configuring their claim to meet the circumstances later

and hence when you realized the hosts did not elaborate on the president it bugged me that you did not ask them

I didn't bother pinging someone who was not online yet - I'd expect him to read the entire thread and comment appropriately. I don't want people to just show up, reply to all their pings, look active, then disappear with minimal effort - that's how wolves blend in without actually trying. I took note of Aliens fist post, took note what info he shared or didn't share. I also took note that his claim to have multiple votes was not setup by the hosts at the start of the day (although I have not caught up yet - I did see the host ping about fixing that for later days). I'm letting my patience evaluate how much I trust him. I'm also dropping small queries to see what people are willing to answer to without a ping. If time goes on and I really want an answer to a question that I feel someone may have missed, then I will ping them then with a reminder later.

I'm personally more interested in other peoples reactions to the things I've said instead of the person I direct certain comments to. Your reaction seems pre-mature or over the top for something as small as me not pinging Aliens about my question.

[FM-Incognito]

It reads like you're almost sitting behind one of those way-too-tall-chairs and wearing a black hoodie (couldn't find the cape, unfortunately) and cackling mechanically in your best Palpatine impression because quote "everything is going according to plan" while writing that post

@FM-Snippy should I feel used as an example or is this a coincidence

[FM-Wasteland]

I am cautious of Smug Viking because they seem like a very arbitrary person to have received three votes. Not at all like my non-arbitrary alphabetical voting reason. Assuming they voted for themself, where did those other votes come from?

Yeah, You are absolutely right!

[FM-Incognito]

I dislike people who are RPing too much, I don't like trying to read through the facade. First few posts at the start, fine - I can deal with it, but those who are persistent with it like Iris with his radio channel feels like fake activity.
@FM-Lady of the Lake - you are giving me a headache with that small font. I honestly skipped most of your posts just due to I couldn't be bothered in my catch up.

As for the President, I trust him more now that the hosts have backed up his claim about his voting power. And I'll accept that he may be holding back some info about the role, at least he was open about it.

I'm intentionally not forming a read on Wine and Snail yet.. mostly because I know I have OMGUS bias in my gut while reading them. I'm not sure if Iris planted a seed, saw those two latch on and let a T/T fight start while they conveniently disappeared or if they latched onto what they thought Iris would support later. Iris obviously testing the waters and letting someone else to the dirty work, not sure what to make of it yet. I'll have to reread them when I'm less bias.

Purple Forest: I like his posts, similar to my thinking - thus why my paranoia is telling me to tread with caution.

Jiffy, Snippy, Slip and whoever else was involved: My brain didn't register the arguments enough during my catch up, need to go reread that in detail to figure out what is going on.

I need to head out now.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

My Fellow Odysseyans. I may have located one of them among us!

I isoed Pink Slip and it looked awful.

First post they are focused on who got a cat and later make weird unnatural statements involving cats. I already had a bad feeling on them so I flatly called it out. Was going to just use it as an RT but after reading this Iso.. Oof 310

The follow up liking Ryast's energy (of note later) 320

Then Love Bug townleans Wine Mom and they push against it, and Iso- This is where it starts to get bad imo.
Specifically their progression looks like they saw a town read and then dug into the player to justify the stance they wanted to take as opposed to doing an iso to read the player then disagreeing with the town read. The case itself on Wine Mom also was very soft. Grabbing on tone talking about some feeling about how they said stuff instead of taking issue with the positions Wine Mom took 343

Next they hedge saying they could 'still see wine mom as town'. This also bothers me. I am reading it like they had some hard case on Wine Mom but 'could still see some world where they just might be town' as if they were backing off from a much more confident position 357

Then they disagree with Snail Streamer townreading Lady Bug and that they disagree with every single read from Lady Bug but "Not in a super wolfy way." Could be another push while hedging or just supporting an argument with reasoning that does not match up with the conclusion 364

371 Jiraffe calls Snail Streamers posts 'Pingy" and follow up with a vote justifying it because of Snails "Thread treatment"

They give reasoning on Snail Streamer essentially saying they are pillow pushing Bosum and talking about how Snail is following what Wine Mom is reading.
On this I rather very much liked that post from Snail. Indicates they are working to get inside Wine Moms head and focus on what that player is looking at and I actually read it as Towny. I just draw the exact opposite conclusion on the same post there. 384

394 They mention a portion of their read on Snail is disliking how others have given them town cred. I don’t follow the reasoning given Mafia give Town town reads easily because they know they are town. Kinda feels like them hedging their read justifying it as thread treatment being a piece and others giving town cred as another. Followed by more dislike that Snail has been townread on post 403

Then they backtrack their position again on Love Bug saying “i mentioned earlier that i didn't like lovely bug's reads but that i felt like she was more following the pattern of a villager i butt heads with than a wolf.” Referring to “not shallow in a super wolfy way, it's shallow in the way i find usually comes from villagers i misread” Also flatly said they like Ryast (Second time) 414

And finally #477- Defensive about their pushes and then Town reads Dirty Harry for scum reading them- This is 2 red flags for me. I expect town to assume bad faith paranoia and jump to OMGUS and I have many times seen scum Town read someone for scum reading them. Its simply an unnatural reaction imo that draws from a perspective of a scum player.
And their second bit- They voice they would vote Great Speech for President because they FOS Ryast. They guy who they have said twice they liked. Inconsistent reasoning there that does not line up with their claimed reads and the obvious pocket.

There is just so much there. Focused dislike of peoples town reads throwing shade for vague reasons with bad progression and inconstant reasoning, then hedging all over the place and backtracking on reads and wraps it up with an unusual reaction that looks like it could come from a scum perspective and seemingly town reading a guy for scum reading their town read after multiple times scum reading other people for not Lining up with their views.

That "I disagree with you townreading this person because I disagree with X but not in a super wolfy way" bit really is stuck in my head.

There is just so many red flags here.

-vote FM-Pink Slip

I believe it is our duty in this sacred quest to purge the evil little green people to start here!

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

@FM-Jiraffe

What was it about their posts that you liked? I felt their interactions with you were odd from both your side and theirs with that statement. The progression on Snail caught my attention

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

Dirty Harry does not look bad with a quick Iso. They are a mix of just interacting and poking things but the stuff they focus on are valid and original questions. Still null but I was for some reason expecting them to be like Bonsun actively lurking. My memory didn't latch on to anything from them.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Hello chat

[FM-Orange Iris]

I am cautious of Smug Viking because they seem like a very arbitrary person to have received three votes. Not at all like my non-arbitrary alphabetical voting reason. Assuming they voted for themself, where did those other votes come from?

I voted for Gay Cat (explained before why), but Viking was one of my favorite too, due to the game's nautical theme. Perhaps the Viking electorate was driven by the same idea.

Nevertheless, the idea that the Mafia chose its own president is a double-edged sword.
First, it seems like an unreasonable risk to me (albeit an acceptable one).
Second, assuming the mafia decided to take this step, they could have given their candidate more votes, just to guarantee win: based on the total number of players, there are definitely more than 3 players in the mafia.
Third, the president is finally chosen by a coin toss, which means that Aliens should equally be under suspicion, if we go by your assumption.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I townread Lady approach/focus towards the votes on Viking, and like townreading people who see things in a similar way. Felt transparent in a good way to me. I admit is adjacent to the fish read in where is more of a early vibe that I clutch into, but its okay~

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I voted for Gay Cat (explained before why), but Viking was one of my favorite too, due to the game's nautical theme. Perhaps the Viking electorate was driven by the same idea.

Nevertheless, the idea that the Mafia chose its own president is a double-edged sword.
First, it seems like an unreasonable risk to me (albeit an acceptable one).
Second, assuming the mafia decided to take this step, they could have given their candidate more votes, just to guarantee win: based on the total number of players, there are definitely more than 3 players in the mafia.
Third, the president is finally chosen by a coin toss, which means that Aliens should equally be under suspicion, if we go by your assumption.

I may have just missed it but I am pinged that nobody claimed to have voted for Viking. As others have said, I was at the top of the list. Vikings vote is weird for RNG but the lack of people owning up to voting them? That feels bad.

(Half here btw, working)

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I may have just missed it but I am pinged that nobody claimed to have voted for Viking. As others have said, I was at the top of the list. Vikings vote is weird for RNG but the lack of people owning up to voting them? That feels bad.

(Half here btw, working)

I said that poorly, I mean that people who voted for me had no problem saying they did and that people seem unwilling to own up for voting for Viking.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Orange Iris your comparison of viking to aliens is wrong, because the focus of votes is explained by them being the first player on the list, which was something lazy people could vote.

I specifically also voted Ryast for president because it felt like a name that would be funny to put as president, and being one of the hosts is like, a name that grabs attention, so figured out more people would also notice it and vote them (Disappointed it was not the case, though aliens is a good president for now, also funny).

[FM-Snail Streamer]

Purple Forest is still dodging my question in regards to thwir vote? Or are they implying they self voted and Im being super obtuse about it?

[FM-Orange Iris]

First post they are focused on who got a cat and later make weird unnatural statements involving cats. I already had a bad feeling on them so I flatly called it out. Was going to just use it as an RT but after reading this Iso.. Oof 310

I consider this as some mech-related reason and I dislike that. There are several players with cat-related names and avatars, and maybe we have some cat-related mechanics in game, but I don't think it's a reason to push someone.

As for other statements, it's make sence.
@FM-Pink Slip our esteemed president has accused you of corruption. I invite you to respond to his accusations live on SSN Radio. Are you prepared to defend yourself?

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I'm also at work btw, but I skimmed your vote post against Pink Slip. Its something that I'll keep a mental note, but what I noticed on my part is that Pink Slip had the gift of being quite good in explaining how they perceived things and progressed on their reads, that coupled with the effort of trying to elaborate on reads makes me understand why people tr'ed them, because at the end of the day Im not that big of a fan of the overall direction they wanted to pursue but its like ~not that bad. Im okay keeping an eye open

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I dislike people who are RPing too much, I don't like trying to read through the facade. First few posts at the start, fine - I can deal with it, but those who are persistent with it like Iris with his radio channel feels like fake activity.
@FM-Lady of the Lake - you are giving me a headache with that small font. I honestly skipped most of your posts just due to I couldn't be bothered in my catch up.

As for the President, I trust him more now that the hosts have backed up his claim about his voting power. And I'll accept that he may be holding back some info about the role, at least he was open about it.

I'm intentionally not forming a read on Wine and Snail yet.. mostly because I know I have OMGUS bias in my gut while reading them. I'm not sure if Iris planted a seed, saw those two latch on and let a T/T fight start while they conveniently disappeared or if they latched onto what they thought Iris would support later. Iris obviously testing the waters and letting someone else to the dirty work, not sure what to make of it yet. I'll have to reread them when I'm less bias.

Purple Forest: I like his posts, similar to my thinking - thus why my paranoia is telling me to tread with caution.

Jiffy, Snippy, Slip and whoever else was involved: My brain didn't register the arguments enough during my catch up, need to go reread that in detail to figure out what is going on.

I need to head out now.

Can you condense your reads on players so far that have a conclussion? All I got from this is that you trust the president and hedge/non comittal on other players basically

[FM-Orange Iris]

I may have just missed it but I am pinged that nobody claimed to have voted for Viking.

I agree with you and with @FM-Happy Drunk (this is the first reason I townread him, btw), there is nothing to hide for town roles here. We'd better claim our votes in president elections.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I remember that sassy witch claimed to vote for Smug Viking. So we have 2 unaccounted votes

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I consider this as some mech-related reason and I dislike that. There are several players with cat-related names and avatars, and maybe we have some cat-related mechanics in game, but I don't think it's a reason to push someone.

As for other statements, it's make sence.
@FM-Pink Slip our esteemed president has accused you of corruption. I invite you to respond to his accusations live on SSN Radio. Are you prepared to defend yourself?

Yeah. The cat thing was pretty NAI 100%. It just caught my attention and I had skimmed the thread then was reading through, had a bad feeling on them and figured I would call them out for an RT. As I kept reading I felt the need to really dig into them in context to what they were looking at and doing resulting in my pushing them and voting.

I am very uncomfortable with that slot. The progression on Lady Bug from their initial FOS, to kinda backtracking to full on "They are town I butt heads with" does not pass the smell test for me as I keep chewing on it.

Bosun I am also going to keep bringing up as requiring a bit of attention. Active lurker right there.

[FM-Aliens Are Real]

I remember that sassy witch claimed to vote for Smug Viking. So we have 2 unaccounted votes

Thanks, I have not been able to spent much focused time on the game and I am sure I have missed a good bit. Thats good to know people are claiming to have voted them though.

[FM-Snail Streamer]

I remember that sassy witch claimed to vote for Smug Viking. So we have 2 unaccounted votes

Its entirely possible that they self voted aswell, leaving only one vote not accounted

[FM-Pink Slip]

My Fellow Odysseyans. I may have located one of them among us!

I isoed Pink Slip and it looked awful.

First post they are focused on who got a cat and later make weird unnatural statements involving cats. I already had a bad feeling on them so I flatly called it out. Was going to just use it as an RT but after reading this Iso.. Oof 310

i was told i got a cat and i was wondering what the hell that meant. the hissy cat metaphor was just because i imagined snail streamer literally clawing at anyone who gets close to them. i’ve used lots of other metaphors today, this is just one.

The follow up liking Ryast's energy (of note later) 320

Then Love Bug townleans Wine Mom and they push against it, and Iso- This is where it starts to get bad imo.
Specifically their progression looks like they saw a town read and then dug into the player to justify the stance they wanted to take as opposed to doing an iso to read the player then disagreeing with the town read. The case itself on Wine Mom also was very soft. Grabbing on tone talking about some feeling about how they said stuff instead of taking issue with the positions Wine Mom took 343

i don’t disagree with the positions wine mom’s took, so i didn’t talk about them. tone was where my wolfread was. this early on, any wolf can take good-sounding positions very easily since there’s so little to go off of. i specificaly noticed this in an earlier post and mentioned i wanted to see more from wine mom iirc.

Next they hedge saying they could 'still see wine mom as town'. This also bothers me. I am reading it like they had some hard case on Wine Mom but 'could still see some world where they just might be town' as if they were backing off from a much more confident position 357

first my case is too soft, now it’s too hard? it’s a toneread, of course i can see it going both ways. i only went so in-depth on it because other people seemed to disagree so much. i never claimed it was extremely confident.

Then they disagree with Snail Streamer townreading Lady Bug and that they disagree with every single read from Lady Bug but "Not in a super wolfy way." Could be another push while hedging or just supporting an argument with reasoning that does not match up with the conclusion 364

what doesn’t match up here? lovely bug gave reads i don’t like, but i don’t think she’s wolfy for it. snail streamer saying they townread her for having such mindmeldy reads was awkward, though, since the reads she gave seemed shallow and not good enough to warrant a townread.

394 They mention a portion of their read on Snail is disliking how others have given them town cred. I don’t follow the reasoning given Mafia give Town town reads easily because they know they are town. Kinda feels like them hedging their read justifying it as thread treatment being a piece and others giving town cred as another. Followed by more dislike that Snail has been townread on post 403

quit making authoritative statements on what mafia do and don’t do with no evidence. i specifically didn’t think snail was mafia because everyone was townreading them: it was because a couple people (who i townread) were townreadinn them and everybody else seemed to silently not contest it. no pushback but also no hard towncase. that’s what i found wolfy.

Then they backtrack their position again on Love Bug saying “i mentioned earlier that i didn't like lovely bug's reads but that i felt like she was more following the pattern of a villager i butt heads with than a wolf.” Referring to “not shallow in a super wolfy way, it's shallow in the way i find usually comes from villagers i misread” Also flatly said they like Ryast (Second time) 414

how is that not literally what i said before? it’s not backtracking if i’m consistent. this case is ridiculous.

And finally #477- Defensive about their pushes and then Town reads Dirty Harry for scum reading them- This is 2 red flags for me. I expect town to assume bad faith paranoia and jump to OMGUS and I have many times seen scum Town read someone for scum reading them. Its simply an unnatural reaction imo that draws from a perspective of a scum player.

dirty harry townread me. i asked why they townread me. they gave a good reason. i found it satisfactory. you are making extremely basic factual errors here and your case deserves no credibility because of it.

And their second bit- They voice they would vote Great Speech for President because they FOS Ryast. They guy who they have said twice they liked. Inconsistent reasoning there that does not line up with their claimed reads and the obvious pocket

presidential voting is over. it happened n0, i voted for great speech. i think great speech’s takes being contrarian benefits town more than wolves regardless of ryast’s alignment. i don’t need to think wolves only suspect town and town only suspect wolves. this is ridiculous.

There is just so much there. Focused dislike of peoples town reads throwing shade for vague reasons with bad progression and inconstant reasoning, then hedging all over the place and backtracking on reads and wraps it up with an unusual reaction that looks like it could come from a scum perspective and seemingly town reading a guy for scum reading their town read after multiple times scum reading other people for not Lining up with their views.

That "I disagree with you townreading this person because I disagree with X but not in a super wolfy way" bit really is stuck in my head.

There is just so many red flags here.

it’s okay to disagree with me if i think you’re genuine and make sense but not okay if i think your reads are coming from a bad place. it’s really simple. half my “backtracking” is entirely ideologically consistent and half of it is changing my mind in response to new information. i don’t understand what the hell you think wolves do or why. what’s wrong with “i think this person is a villager giving bad reads but i suspect the person encouraging and townreading them for those reads may be mafia”. this is not a good case.

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Yeah. The cat thing was pretty NAI 100%. It just caught my attention and I had skimmed the thread then was reading through, had a bad feeling on them and figured I would call them out for an RT. As I kept reading I felt the need to really dig into them in context to what they were looking at and doing resulting in my pushing them and voting.

I am very uncomfortable with that slot. The progression on Lady Bug from their initial FOS, to kinda backtracking to full on "They are town I butt heads with" does not pass the smell test for me as I keep chewing on it.

Bosun I am also going to keep bringing up as requiring a bit of attention. Active lurker right there.

i literally never fosed lovely bug. i said in my initial post that i disagreed with every read they gave but thought they seemed like a villager. you are misunderstanding my posts fundamentally.

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Oh, I also liked Great Speech taking a stab at Ryast, who was being mostly seen in a good light prior to that. I think its mostly a stab for playstyle differences of Ryast maybe being focused on calling people towny on most reads / something along those lines. But it was also what I noticed when I dig into their Bosum read from ISO which made me pause a bit so that type of insight and elaboration feels towny from Great Speech, even though I still lean more on Ryast just being town tbh

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i’ve got to go, i don’t have many thoughts right now other than hating aliens are real’s case, which has a bunch of basic factual and reading comprehension errors. orange iris’s roleplay is irritating me but not in an alignment indicative way. incognito and purple forest are reading ok to me. bye.

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i’ve got to go, i don’t have many thoughts right now other than hating aliens are real’s case, which has a bunch of basic factual and reading comprehension errors. orange iris’s roleplay is irritating me but not in an alignment indicative way. incognito and purple forest are reading ok to me. bye.

We are not on the same street huh. (Im not talking about aliens case, moreso wondering what you seemed ok with purple and Incognito's post)

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Ryast read on Bosun reminded me of when FM-Scarf had to bullshit a reason to townread a partner Im ngl

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Though I know they replied with some elaboration with some postnums, but Im slow and checking that is too much of a hassle (will do it when Im home if I dont forget)

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I can't help myself and felt the need to Iso Sassy and Viking real quick

So for Sassy Witch they could be poked to post a bit more. 4 posts with only real thing given was claiming a vote on Viking. Not like Bosun who racked up 15 posts or something without saying much of anything making me feel they were intentionally lurking. It is still halfway through D1

Its entirely possible that they self voted aswell, leaving only one vote not accounted

That would make much more sense but caught this in their ISO

I voted for Pink Slip, didnt even expect to get votes like at all. That meant 3 other ppl voted for me.

With me leaning team scum on Pink makes me feel my two suspicions do not line up. I do not see Mafia throwing a 1 off vote onto a team mate although lies and WIFOM hold weight there.

For the rest of their posts I really do not have a leaning one way or the other. Almost all banter and talk about votes. Post 44 is their only take and its on what mafia would do about votes. Not anything at all to go off imo. Will add them to the lurker list : )

Lurker list:
Bonsun (15 posts saying very little)
Sassy Witch (4 posts basically only claiming Viking vote and not scumreading them for vote count because of it)
Smug Viking (7 post with only #44 saying much)
Zoomer Power (I think they haven't posted, They are not even on the iso list so couldent check and dont care to search the username)
Mt Dew Horse (5 posts but most say something game related)
Tiny Sandwich (7 posts saying nothing)

Dumping some notes there but thats my 'waiting to see stuff I can read them on' list so far. Have not come close to looking at everyone and again, it is not even half way through D1 so its totally understandable to be low post or content so far. Bonsun is the only one that pinged me about it with them maybe farming posts to look like participating or something. Still early though.