S-FM 361: Rectangle VS. Rhombus (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[oliverz144]

Day 5 begins!
Day 5 will last 46 hours and 33 minutes, until Tuesday the 18th, 4PM Washington DC!

[Stellaria]

Hey @Helz . I enjoyed this game with you. You're a good player and it was really fun trying to out-WIFOM you. I can only hope that the server issues/apathy from other player's hasn't made this game unenjoyable for you.

All that being said, I checked you last night and I think it's pretty clear that I now have a red check on you, friend ♡

-vote Helz

[jmw]

-vote Helz

It was fun playing with everyone, I'm sorry I wasn't as active as usual. Hope everyone had fun too even if the experience was somewhat nonstandard.

[Gikkle]

-vote helz

GG. You played well helz.

[Helz]

Interesting twist. I did consider a JMW scum world but just could not see a reason to heal on a town Horkos with a town Vig running around. Maybe shoulda pushed harder on the difference between how one side and the other described the chat.

Was I right about the scum slip on you Stellaria?

[Helz]

Btw, That was a hammer. Game is actually over.

The last lie I told and was hoping to get people to open wolf with was that game does not end from majority. In any situation other than Horkos' kill hitting directly on a town and another town dying I was plotting on getting wolves to open wolf then pointing out the game goes on even if town does not have a majority. Woulda been a cool situation to try to wifom around.

[Helz]

I mean, unless the host wants to run out a night cycle of BP vs a factional followed by a day cycle of 3 wolves 1 town that is. Its impossible for town to win at this point.

[Helz]

A bit sad I died from a lynch.

Not for the night actions but then I could actually say I have played a game where no lynch happened the entire game. I have legit never seen a game with so little day participation. Made for a very interesting dynamic yesterday. But it was fun. Really did not expect Superjack to be the last town at all or expect JMW to be scum after that Horkos heal.

[Stellaria]

Interesting twist. I did consider a JMW scum world but just could not see a reason to heal on a town Horkos with a town Vig running around. Maybe shoulda pushed harder on the difference between how one side and the other described the chat.

Was I right about the scum slip on you Stellaria?

Obviously I'm town and you're scum ;P

But if you're asking about whether I knew The Lawyer was going to roleblock you or not, I personally had no idea. It was a complete guess on my part

[Stellaria]

Obviously I'm town and you're scum ;P

But if you're asking about whether I knew The Lawyer was going to roleblock you or not, I personally had no idea. It was a complete guess on my part

If I was scum and my teammates were in a network chat with The Lawyer, I would have suggested that they don't try to coerce Lawyer into doing something they already seemed likely to do

[Helz]

Yeah, You guys used the networker chat very well. I figure 3 things really decided the game

1- Town never really built a train or used day chat effectivly
2- Town had minimal (literally 1 done by 2 people) night action that was positive and every other action was either a determent to town or null.
3- Networker chat did give information. Thinking about it that explains the JMW heal off wolf that killed my read on them. Even in hind sight I never would have seen past that as a calculated play

Game really is over though. I have no more tricks. 3 wolf 2 town with majority lynch. I die there is a town survivor, nothing can happen in any way to shift the game without a wolf deciding to let it happen, and even then the odds are pretty much nothing to run actions multiple nights in a row that go perfectly. Will be interesting to read your wolf chat.

[Stellaria]

If your faction were more active and you led them to victory, it'd have been deserved. Even so, playing against you was seriously really scary. I overthought the hell out of my night action wondering if you were gonna busdrive me into Auwt and wondering if Horkos was going to choose not to execute. In my chat that I have solely between me and the host and not with anybody else, I had a list of every possible night action that could've been taken broken down so that I singular could decide the most effective action singular. ;)

[Stellaria]

I will say, if I was teamed up with mafia partners, I would say they played well

[Helz]

If your faction were more active and you led them to victory, it'd have been deserved. Even so, playing against you was seriously really scary. I overthought the hell out of my night action wondering if you were gonna busdrive me into Auwt and wondering if Horkos was going to choose not to execute. In my chat that I have solely between me and the host and not with anybody else, I had a list of every possible night action that could've been taken broken down so that I singular could decide the most effective action singular. ;)

Lol. Yeah. I tried to think hard on things I had hoped you guys would not consider. Like a self targeting BG action. Also tried to just go super vanilla almost flatly saying the action I would take. Although I did not expect JMW to be Mafia I did expect someone to peep in on the chat and was planning on pushing hard on that slot today as well as Gikkle. Figured there was no world where Scum Gikkle would put me with a Town doc and not have someone peep in (which I was right on but with the absolute wrong end assumption)

I will say, if I was teamed up with mafia partners, I would say they played well

Lol. Game really is over. I know I am cheeky and play all sorts of stuff but I did literally message the host about it. Town has zero outs here. Woulda 'if' I could take the Mayor but that would just drag the game out for a day.

Your team played well. I tried quite a few little things through the game that did not pay off like convincing the town they were fucked to see if the wolves would get complacent or baiting the wolves by disrespecting their lack of using vote power as an ego poke. I think I said something along the lines of 'they are playing really poorly' hoping to see some reaction or push to get coordinated day movement from the wolf team but it never went anywhere.

Really was fun playing. This setup is much more complicated than I initially thought and although I would tweak a hand full of things its absolutely a unique game I have not encountered before. Really did enjoy playing with you guys and every wolf played very well.

I think only thing I would have really changed about my play would be not advocating harder for the BG and the case that The Lawyer was not bussing in their D2 push. BG was super self resolving slot and although their "im clear" argument was just bad it was also genuine. The Lawyers D2 screamed town. Players just did not really look at it imo.

[Helz]

Maybe I shoulda picked up more on Gikkle being opportunistic with their chat picks. It was very smart to just cleanly own up to them wanting people to coordinate. I probably would have jumped on a lie there. And them not adding themselves was also a solid play.

[jmw]

Interesting twist. I did consider a JMW scum world but just could not see a reason to heal on a town Horkos with a town Vig running around. Maybe shoulda pushed harder on the difference between how one side and the other described the chat.

Was I right about the scum slip on you Stellaria?

I was 100% truthful about the contents of the chat

[Helz]

I was 100% truthful about the contents of the chat

Yeah, Maybe no difference existed but to be fair I did not even push to find out. That was just lazy of me.

Apparently I was just totally wrong but I really thought that was a slip and I should not have just let it go so quickly and easily. The fact Stellaria was pushing to open up the PoE instead of hard hunting inside it was really on my mind but I have had bad results making reads on what players are not doing.

[Stellaria]

Yeah, Maybe no difference existed but to be fair I did not even push to find out. That was just lazy of me.

Apparently I was just totally wrong but I really thought that was a slip and I should not have just let it go so quickly and easily. The fact Stellaria was pushing to open up the PoE instead of hard hunting inside it was really on my mind but I have had bad results making reads on what players are not doing.

To be fair, I couldnt get any more direct than "SuperJack is redchecked"

[Helz]

To be fair, I couldnt get any more direct than "SuperJack is redchecked"

Well sure. But with what I expect from your range as a player I feel like you would have pushed against Horkos talking about jailing Auwt if you were town or also pushed reasoning why outside of your check Superjack is scum. You seemed totally ok with either and survival focused but I did not take note. Was too caught up on 'is it a slip or not' and then just shifting off it as it resolved without refocusing.

All things considered town had some really rough luck with the night actions given the situations they were used in. But people really did have next to nothing to work with for how late in the game it was.

[Stellaria]

Were you also not thinking when you were promising to jail and execute Auwt? If we enter parity, we need you to get the upper hand. Are you sure wasting yourself is a road you want to go down?

to be fair, I did absolutely push on Horkos jailing Auwt

[Stellaria]

I wasn't gonna push further on Jack since as a Sheriff I already "know" he is scum and town seemed resigned against voting for anyone today, so it was a moot point

[Helz]

to be fair, I did absolutely push on Horkos jailing Auwt

Yeah, I should have picked up on that given you had a 'red check.' Very well played though. That paid off nicely.

[oliverz144]

Helz has died!

[oliverz144]

The Game has ended!

The Rhombi won!
Congratulations to Gikkle, Stellaria, Jmw and Phraze!

Thank You for playing!

[Phraze]

Yay

[powerofdeath]

well gg, we lost because we never lynched anyone

[The Lawyer]

Congrats @Stellaria @Gikkle @jmw @Phraze

[The Lawyer]

Tbh I did have a tinfoil about jmw and Stellaria being scum together when Stellaria "confirmed" jmw as town... I should have looked into it more

[Phraze]

Congrats @Stellaria @Gikkle @jmw @Phraze

Thanks. My game is not very active BTW.

[Stellaria]

Hope I did you proud @Phraze

[Gikkle]

GG everyone! Thanks for hosting oliver

https://discord.gg/2bfdtDnK

mafia discord

[Phraze]

Hope I did you proud @Phraze

You did amazing! ❤ Was impressed with the activity you put in TBH.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Gg. I just remembered why I hate majority-only as opposed to plurality + majority: it leads to nobody ever doing anything lol. The only real exception I see to this is games with very long phases (and even then, there's no reason not to use plurality + majority).

Also, well played, jmw; you gave good vibes, and from my strictly D1 experience, you were rather towny ^^

And thanks for trying, Helz... you fell heroically

[Voss]

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