S-FM 361: Rectangle VS. Rhombus (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[Stellaria]

Nice acting

Thanks for the compliment Trigger-Happy

[Stellaria]

Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off

[Stellaria]

No actually it makes even more sense, because now Helz can't pick up the vig role. So to actually kill you we'd need to lim you.

[Horkos]

No, actually fuck that I have it figured out now. It's SuperJack, Gikkle, Horkos. You all put Ewian in Network chat and forced him to target Lawyer, then killed him afterwards.

Whats the point of Killing a citizen (who would have been suspected because he kill town)

[Stellaria]

Whats the point of Killing a citizen (who would have been suspected because he kill town)

Because Helz cannot use his role to get Vigilante when Ewian is a citizen, thus Helz cannot threaten you. I just said that

[Horkos]

Because Helz cannot use his role to get Vigilante when Ewian is a citizen, thus Helz cannot threaten you. I just said that

I did not think of this but i think someone in your team did

[Stellaria]

I did not think of this but i think someone in your team did

You dont get to say shit like this until you come up with your own reads. Ditch the Helz brain and get your own

[Stellaria]

Were you also not thinking when you were promising to jail and execute Auwt? If we enter parity, we need you to get the upper hand. Are you sure wasting yourself is a road you want to go down?

[Stellaria]

Here's an idea. If Auwt is scum we can just vote for him.

[Horkos]

Also is it possible that ewianking went to the graveyard before being transformed into cit , when does it happen in the OoO ?

[Stellaria]

No, these are questions you ask before you hulk smash a villager every night. You dont get town points for pretending not to know.

Kills happen at the same time according to the OP

[Stellaria]

Here's an idea. If Auwt is scum we can just vote for him.

I can only forsee one world where Auwt is scum and it is with Horkos

[Stellaria]

I did not think of this but i think someone in your team did

This doesn't even make sense as an argument because since I've been here Ive been almost as active as Helz

[Stellaria]

This doesn't even make sense as an argument because since I've been here Ive been almost as active as Helz

I'm putting in the effort. I have my own ideas. I don't need someone who barely participates to tell me what to think.

[Stellaria]

Im looking right into your soul when I say that Jack

[Horkos]

Im looking right into your soul when I say that Jack

yea this is so frustrating

[Stellaria]

If nobody claims networked/nothing else happens by the afternoon Ill out my results.

[Horkos]

You dont get to say shit like this until you come up with your own reads. Ditch the Helz brain and get your own

Idk , just testing how you react, you seem to be the only one to react, auwt and SJ just ignore me

[Stellaria]

Idk , just testing how you react, you seem to be the only one to react, auwt and SJ just ignore me

Im gonna call in a live slug react on that one chief

[oliverz144]

Vote count is now reset. Thank You for pointing it out.

[Helz]

Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off

Hmmm. How could you possibly know this?

I did not claim it, but yes I was role blocked last night. I was watching the lawyer but got zero feedback.

Sounds like one of your team mates was in that Network chat your asking about. This looks very much like a TMI slip.

[Helz]

What do you think @Helz ?

I think i will jail auwt and let you and jmw make the plays tonight, jmw will 50/50 on us, and then you can bus you or jmw (unless you want to try a bg play but i am not sure we can win without you), you can also try to shoot ... well its really your move.

I will let you do the thinking, i don't know the others at all (is SJ always like that ?)

Stellaria Scum slip knowing I was role blocked while also claiming they were not in networker chat. One of their buddies was. Then today they keep trying to pry open the POE and push focus away from the 4 player 3 scum pool.
Superjack -Not even trying to solve. Mafia or just has zero interest in the game. Kinda an empty slot who did some D1 rvs play. Although the Jesus comment did make me fucking laugh
Auwt- I could see a few ways. Im rather uncertain but leaning mafia. I really do not get the FoS on JMW. While possible its just so very unlikely imo and they keep pushing it which bothers me. Probably my biggest issue with them is the line of thought there.
Gikkle Had a hard focus N2 wanting to coordinate night actions. I would also be interested in hearing what was said in night chat. That shot on The Lawyer never should have happened but for some reason nobody bothered to skim their D2 and question if they could have been bussing. I will have to iso them again but from town play maybe the most towny of the 4 but with actions that make a lot of sense for scum. Also starting to feel as if they are waiting until late in the day cycle to participate intentionally which I have seen plenty of wolves do but thats a very very unreliable tell.

On JMW I will again say there is absolutely no world in my head where JMW could be mafia and Horkos is not also Mafia. With a living town vig mafia doc heals on their team 100% of the time. I see both Horkos and JMW as extremely unlikely to be scum to the point I will just take that to my grave unless I get some wild lookout peek that tells me otherwise.

Imo the safe kill is simply Stellaria. Them knowing I was role blocked looks very much like a total slip.

They are correct that the Vig turned into a citizen. I was going to act like I was going to kill but somebody was clever enough to figure that bit out. Would be much easier for mafia to figure out given they know they killed the Vig and Jailor called out his jail last night.

Looks like both of my little tricks for the day are not gona of use.

[Helz]

I would fully expect a scum Stellaria to do some kinda FPS red check claim and try to force a 1v1 given a bad lynch means we loose.

I will caution to town again to simply not vote. 1 bad vote and all 3 wolves can pile on hammering a town player. Also bad look that Stellaria walks in the day pushing for votes although would be inline with believing a scum jailor existed.

Here's an idea. If Auwt is scum we can just vote for him.

[Helz]

I will say this is an interesting game. Not very often I have ever been in a position to advocate against voting. Almost shaping up to be an entire game without a single real train to hunt off of. I also do not think I have ever played a game in my entire life where there was never a single lynch if that happens.

[Helz]

A part of me wonders if that makes it more or less likely for Gikkle to be scum.

I am not a fan of this logic being used to dismiss scum!Gikkle

Seems like Scum used Networker chat well curving actions in their favor and certainly tracking that information for Stellaria to know it without being in the chat. Questioning if it makes it more or less likely for a scum Gikkle. Maybe just a poke at the weak reasoning on my super soft speculation as they poked around trying to widen the PoE?

They also seem to be pushing against execution Auwt twords a lynch their team can control which looks bad for AUWT. Also a question of if they specifically wanted save an Auwt scum partner or if they specifically wanted to stick with a vote for the lynch control, or if its both.

[Helz]

So is nobody going to claim to have been Networked or what?

I need to know who was there and what was said

Interesting focus on drawing something out of the chat. I am assuming they have some case they want to push but need someone to say what was said before they can use it to paint a case.
Makes me more comfortable assuming they slipped. After hardline focused on the Networker chat they end up talking about something they got from that chat. If anyone in that chat can confirm that The Lawyer voiced they would RB me I think Stellaria is essentially lock scum.

No, actually fuck that I have it figured out now. It's SuperJack, Gikkle, Horkos. You all put Ewian in Network chat and forced him to target Lawyer, then killed him afterwards.

Their push here also seems to clear Auwt which is of note.

[Helz]

@Horkos
Unless something changes I would just say execute Stellaria. We then see what happens at night.

Im rather surprised how many people are coming and going without saying anything given we could be looking at a hard scum slip. I would love to see what they are saying in their chat right now.

[Stellaria]

Hmmm. How could you possibly know this?

I did not claim it, but yes I was role blocked last night. I was watching the lawyer but got zero feedback.

Sounds like one of your team mates was in that Network chat your asking about. This looks very much like a TMI slip.

It's obvious Lawyer planned to block you if you read their ISO. I can highlight some posts if youd like

[Stellaria]

I would fully expect a scum Stellaria to do some kinda FPS red check claim and try to force a 1v1 given a bad lynch means we loose.

I will caution to town again to simply not vote. 1 bad vote and all 3 wolves can pile on hammering a town player. Also bad look that Stellaria walks in the day pushing for votes although would be inline with believing a scum jailor existed.

Im not saying we vote Auwt, though? I already said I don't think Auwt is scum. When I said we can vote him, I meant later, when we've become more sure of his alignment and we've already hit some reds.

[Gikkle]

3/4th of my poe dying and none of them flipping scum is certainly demotivating

i'll be more active later tonight but just wanted to pop on and say that i created a networker chat between myself/lawyer/ewian/jmw.

i also wanted to say before anything else, with regards to several comments I saw about my n2 chat, that i legit don't know what i'm supposed to be doing with this networker chat if not creating spaces to coordinate actions/forcing scum to slip up with their actions revealing TMI from the chat/forcing scum to reveal any potential agenda lol. To go more into that I thought putting Aeo/Helz/Jmw together would achieve the purpose of, if everyone in the chat was town, potentially allowing for the most optimal use of actions. If one was scum, they might suggest a suboptimal course of action (I was particularly interested to see if helz would try to do this which is another reason I added him specifically), or we'd be able to see if mafia knew about what happened in the chat by if they purposefully needled their way through the plan. Would have added myself but there was no room if I wanted to give Stellaria a chance to talk that night. By the way, to this day, nobody has actually told me what went down in that chat lol.

N3 chat I tried to focus on people I was interested in hearing more from that I thought would actually use the chat, namely 2 of the more active players in my PoE + the person I trusted the most (jmw). Not much happened in the chat (was mostly me and jmw talking), lawyer expressed that they were considering TRing helz based on the answer to his questions (which i guess lawyer never got to see his answers so not sure if he would have ended with a TR) + was undecided on who to RB (I note this part specifically for helz since he's pressuring stell for something related to that, although i'm pretty sure someone specifically asked lawyer to RB you helz). Ewian agreed with me about some paranoia I had about horkos & gave a reads list that he I guess contradicted with his shot? Because me and SJ were both lower than lawyer (sort of expected him to spend the 2 nights needed to kill SJ tbh, since he had SJ at the literal bottom. Although maybe that's because I was thinking in terms of S!Ewian and thought he was gonna use shooting SJ as an excuse for not clearing a slot from the PoE for another night.)

will give more actual thoughts later, just wanted to come on briefly and say this stuff tho

[Stellaria]

I checked Jack and got red.

[Stellaria]

Why did you choose who you did, and what happened in chat?

[Gikkle]

Why did you choose who you did, and what happened in chat?

did you read literally any of my post lol

[Stellaria]

oh, i guess you already said it.

Huh, I don't believe you

[Gikkle]

oh, i guess you already said it.

Huh, I don't believe you

you don't believe what part

[Stellaria]

In the first place I don't even believe you when you say it was you lawyer ewian jmw.

[Gikkle]

In the first place I don't even believe you when you say it was you lawyer ewian jmw.

why would i lie about that

[Stellaria]

Because JMW is gone and cant call you on your bs

[Gikkle]

i mean if you don't believe me then ask jmw?

i don't have time to argue i'll be back later

[Stellaria]

Hell to the no

[Helz]

It's obvious Lawyer planned to block you if you read their ISO. I can highlight some posts if youd like

Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off

Does not sound like a read here. Sounds like you knew I was blocked.

1v1 with Superjack is of note. As I see it-

If Stellaria is town than Superjack is 100% Scum
If Stellaria is scum than Superjack is not confirmed town given this 1v1 was placed when Stellaria is under the gun for a slip.

[Stellaria]

steller
jmw
horkos
auwt
helz
lawyer
you
aeo
jack

You and Jack shot Ewian and this readslist from ewian that you ASKED FOR proves it. You knew Aeoryi was going to get jailed and you got scared when Ewian said they knew who they were going to shoot. You both convinced him to shoot lawyer instead.

[Stellaria]

Does not sound like a read here. Sounds like you knew I was blocked.

1v1 with Superjack is of note. As I see it-

If Stellaria is town than Superjack is 100% Scum
If Stellaria is scum than Superjack is not confirmed town given this 1v1 was placed when Stellaria is under the gun for a slip.

Okay then Ill show you

[Stellaria]

#563
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Lawyer had already established that they're going to block the person they see as the most scummy. They blocked you N1 and Phraze N2. Their reasoning behind doing so was very clear, they thought you/Phraze were "scummy af".

Day 3 they are not so clear with what they're going to do or who they think is the scummiest but with the posts I highlighted I think it's clear that they both saw you as very scummy and dangerous to remain unchecked. And I wasn't going to out who I was going to check last night, obviously

[Stellaria]

And OBVIOUSLY you must have gotten blocked considering you woke up and told us no new information AND three people died so that paid off for the scum team

[Stellaria]

So could you not just preflip me and give what Im saying at least a little consideration?

[Stellaria]

For it not to be you who got blocked, it would pretty much have to exactly be JMW. There are several reasons why that doesn't make sense.

[Helz]

So could you not just preflip me and give what Im saying at least a little consideration?

Certainly. I have been in this situation more than enough times to see absolute value in digging and chatting regardless of resolution

And OBVIOUSLY you must have gotten blocked considering you woke up and told us no new information AND three people died so that paid off for the scum team

Well sure, I did not claim an action but I also did not claim a no action. I kinda hold your ability in high regard and see value in withholding a result which you did today. I was doing the same incase I wanted to claim a false red check for an RT. I find it odd you would assume I would not hold a lookout peek especially given it can nail a scum even outside of potential RT play.

I do see a lot of reason to expect The Lawyer may role block me. They were coming around but due to server perma loading issues I was unable to ever respond. (Herd that shits solved now btw, Thank fucking god that shit was cancer to deal with)
But really, You jump to a hard conclusion even though as the end of day approached they backtracked. The "It paid off" bit bothers me.

I did ask the host if logs could be posted and they asked to paraphrase only. I personally want to hear directly from @jmw about how strongly The Lawyer voiced they would RB me to gauge the certainty drawn.

The other very large issue is I see a 4 player pool with 3 scum in it. Very very small PoE. While its possible for me to be wrong about JMW or Horkos I see it as highly unlikely. We do if nothing else have an absolute W/W or W/T between you and Superjack even considering weird worlds.
I do also see Networker chat as having a wolf in it as very highly likely.

[Stellaria]

a) Lawyer didn't find Jack to be particularly scummy but wanted him to show up.
b) If Gikkle was actually telling the truth, then JMW would not let anyone convince Lawyer to block him.
c) In the aforementioned world, Lawyer wouldn't want to block JMW because Lawyer townreads me and thus also JMW.
d) They're obviously not going to block me and they didnt.
e) They didn't block Ewian

[Stellaria]

Certainly. I have been in this situation more than enough times to see absolute value in digging and chatting regardless of resolution

Well sure, I did not claim an action but I also did not claim a no action. I kinda hold your ability in high regard and see value in withholding a result which you did today. I was doing the same incase I wanted to claim a false red check for an RT. I find it odd you would assume I would not hold a lookout peek especially given it can nail a scum even outside of potential RT play.

I do see a lot of reason to expect The Lawyer may role block me. They were coming around but due to server perma loading issues I was unable to ever respond. (Herd that shits solved now btw, Thank fucking god that shit was cancer to deal with)
But really, You jump to a hard conclusion even though as the end of day approached they backtracked. The "It paid off" bit bothers me.

I did ask the host if logs could be posted and they asked to paraphrase only. I personally want to hear directly from @jmw about how strongly The Lawyer voiced they would RB me to gauge the certainty drawn.

The other very large issue is I see a 4 player pool with 3 scum in it. Very very small PoE. While its possible for me to be wrong about JMW or Horkos I see it as highly unlikely. We do if nothing else have an absolute W/W or W/T between you and Superjack even considering weird worlds.
I do also see Networker chat as having a wolf in it as very highly likely.

I had seen that you didn't provide any results. And I was gone yesterday so it had been a day at least. Given all of the other reasons you were the likely block, I had taken the likelihood of you not being blocked as being so small such as to assume that you 100% were.