KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Candyfloss]

I'll be around some time after ITA 2 since that's when am off work. I'll be able to check in during ITA 2 and take a shot but that's about it. Can someone ping me with a shoots list about 15 minutes before the window so I can look over it and give my thoughts before I shoot and have to dip again for about three hours.

[FM-Yellow Snow]

what if i went to sleep for 12 hours instead of playing forum mafia. all in favor?

you're so real for that

[FM-Autumn]

Candy shot scum dead, and it barely around / low priority PoE imo.

Frankly I don't know why Candy was on there anyway or why Mr. Clean tried to ITA that.

I believe Flood shot at scum.

i literally have both candy and mr clean as people i really do not want to see dead

i'm not questioning why was candy removed lol, that's one of the few that i actually agree with

[FM-Mining Peep]

when is ita2?

[FM-Peekaboo]

when is ita2?

Couple of hours check announcements in discord it has it

[FM-Peekaboo]

What does everyone here think of FM-Goblin and Worg btw

[FM-Autumn]

(does anyone have stuff like yesterday's itas with new colors or the claims today combined somewhere? or should i go look for those myself)

[FM-Dredge]

i literally have both candy and mr clean as people i really do not want to see dead

i'm not questioning why was candy removed lol, that's one of the few that i actually agree with

Right.

Also, worth noting: Candy and Space Pizza both shot scum and have less posts than Lumi.

[4P7, Mining, Joycat, ZOMG] are in the same post count category.


I don't see a shot in the bracketed category as helpful here. These people aren't opportunistic. They're lazy town or wolves to be PoE'd later when they're forced to actually play.
Joycat for example was shot at by a wolf. Sketchy slots like BHD have shot at ZOMG. The only two even mildly pinging me here are mining or 4P7.


So, I wanna aim higher, at the wolves who look dirty in VCA/ITA.

[FM-Dredge]

What does everyone here think of FM-Goblin and Worg btw

Town, apparently Hydra with Lassie who shot town. Actively trying to solve, he's kind of a dick but he's funny and Lassie is nice.

[FM-Ringmaster]

Let’s play a new “game”, instead of the shot list game

FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Candyfloss
FM-Catnip
FM-Chibi Minnie
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Chromatography
FM-Eyescream
FM-Goblin and Worg
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Joycat
FM-Lassie
FM-Lipstick
FM-Mining Peep
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2
FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-The Great Flood
FM-The Hat
FM-ZOMG

@FM-Autumn can you list at least five names tbat yoy have a solid reason for town reading along with why?

[FM-Scarf]

You didn't really answer my question

You’re right sorry I forgot it was about the shots list

I guess not really but I feel in my gut that they’ll flip town

[FM-Catnip]

i wanna play the game but i feel like im gonna pass out so i think i might have to put that off to later. sorry guys

[FM-Ringmaster]

I think we are so focused on the shot list we are missing the bigger picture, there are living wolves that we need to find and we probably need to do that first before engaging in a shot list game, otherwise people will ignore and randomly kill people like snuggled

[FM-Autumn]

Current list:
FM-Candyfloss (Removed by FM-Scarf)
FM-Chibi Minnie
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Chromatography
FM-Eyescream (Removed by FM-Breakup)
FM-Four Past Seven
FM-Goldfish Bowl (Removed by FM-Lipstick)
FM-Mining Peep (Removed by FM-Tiny Hippo)
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Mr Clean
FM-Pareidolia (Removed by FM-Scarf)
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2 (Removed by FM-Breakup)
FM-The Great Flood (Removed by FM-Lipstick)
FM-The Hat (Removed by FM-Tiny Hippo)
FM-ZOMG

List order:
FM-Peekaboo (creation) -> FM-Breakup -> FM-Scarf -> FM-Lipstick -> FM-Tiny Hippo

actually i just noticed this was started during the last ita lol

and i'm just making the decision to create a completely new list for the ita2 because this one kinda sucks lol

[FM-Catnip]

yeah weve narrowed things down enouhg and we have enough game that i think we need to figure out "who is a wolf" more than "who do we shoot"

[FM-Ringmaster]

my rolecard is getting updated again this wasn’t in the terms of services

[FM-Dredge]

ITA Session 1:

Old Lickilicky -> Peekaboo, missed: wound inflicted
Mr Clean -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
Tiny Hippo -> Space Pizza, missed: wound inflicted
Matchstick Man -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Mining Peep -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Pareidolia -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Silent shot -> missed: wound inflicted
Eyescream -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Breakup -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Choo Choo -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
Platypus -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
Monet Rocket -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
SSS -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Bad Hair Day -> Angry Rectangle, missed: wound inflicted
Ringmaster -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Droopy Snout -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted
Four Past Seven -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
Hon Hon Hon -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted
Disco Dancer -> Joycat, missed: wound inflicted (note: disco dancer was lost wolf)
Angry Rectangle -> Heterochromia, missed: wound inflicted
The Hat -> Heterochromia, hit: killed, was town. FML.
Goldfish Bowl -> Angry Rectangle, hit: killed, was town. FML.
Scarf -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Talking Anthill -> Not Enough Legs, missed: wound inflicted
Oink -> Not Enough Legs, hit, killed, was town.
Space Pizza -> Pyramid, hit, killed, was mafia
[shot placed too late] Red Cross -> Hon Hon Hon



ITA Session 2:

*Note, Wakka Wakka functionally outted by accidentally trying to shoot Naptime before ITA window opened

Yellow Snow -> Wakka Wakka, missed: wound inflicted
Candyfloss -> Wakka Wakka, hit: killed, was mafia
[REFUNDED] The Great Flood -> Wakka Wakka
[REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Wakka Wakka
[REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Wakka Wakka
Wakka Wakka -> Naptime (died before shot went through)
Naptime -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
[REFUNDED]Chromatography -> Wakka Wakka
Autumn -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
The Great Flood -> Thumbs Up, missed: wound inflicted
Lassie -> Thumbs Up, hit: killed, was mafia
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Chibi Minnie -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Goblin and Worg -> Thumbs Up
[REFUNDED] Lipstick -> Thumbs Up
Red Cross -> Popcorn Axolotyl, missed: wound inflicted
Chibi Minnie -> Popcorn Axolotyl, hit: killed, was town
[REFUNDED] Chromatography -> Popcorn Axolotyl
Goblin and Worg -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Chromatography -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Player 2 -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Lipstick -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Peekaboo -> Monet Rocket, missed: wound inflicted
Dredge -> Bad Hair Day, missed: wound inflicted
Snuggles -> Hon Hon Hon, missed: wound inflicted
Protagonist Hair -> Red Cross, missed: wound inflicted


@autumn I colored this. No idea about the claims since they're all over ITA and people aren't straightforward

[FM-Ringmaster]

it was a false alarm

[FM-Autumn]

Let’s play a new “game”, instead of the shot list game

FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Candyfloss
FM-Catnip
FM-Chibi Minnie
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Chromatography
FM-Eyescream
FM-Goblin and Worg
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Joycat
FM-Lassie
FM-Lipstick
FM-Mining Peep
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2
FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-The Great Flood
FM-The Hat
FM-ZOMG

@FM-Autumn can you list at least five names tbat yoy have a solid reason for town reading along with why?

sorry but i'm not playing games rn i'm trying to read the stuff that i missed and get some kind of an idea about whats going on in the game

[FM-Chromatography]

I like Ringmaster adding in the village list approach.

[FM-Ringmaster]

sorry but i'm not playing games rn i'm trying to read the stuff that i missed and get some kind of an idea about whats going on in the game

@FM-Scarf come play with me instead then, I think this game is probably really important

[FM-Dredge]

@FM-Autumn ping didn't go off, see above for the list you stole from SSS that I stole from you updated with color.

[FM-Autumn]

Let’s play a new “game”, instead of the shot list game

FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Candyfloss
FM-Catnip
FM-Chibi Minnie
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Chromatography
FM-Eyescream
FM-Goblin and Worg
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Joycat
FM-Lassie
FM-Lipstick
FM-Mining Peep
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Old Lickilicky
FM-Pareidolia
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2
FM-Protagonist Hair
FM-The Great Flood
FM-The Hat
FM-ZOMG

@FM-Autumn can you list at least five names tbat yoy have a solid reason for town reading along with why?

actually i'm gonna play with this

candyfloss - mech
eyescream - mech
(neither of those is 100% but i do have reasons to believe they are more likely town. and i'd prefer not to elaborate rn unless i actually need to)
lassie - i think they claimed they were the one doing the baiting stuff about matchstick man? which probably is like. i really don't think that came from a wolf lol
lipstick - they just feel like town to me every time i see them posting
protagonist hair - honestly i think they're just obvtown. everything in the way they're posting, how they've played their mech, etc. seems towny

i'd consider lickilicky and mining peep but honestly it's just about sheeping hippo who claims to have strong reasons that both are town

that isn't probably very clear explanations but it's all you get from me rn lol

[FM-Ringmaster]

actually i'm gonna play with this

candyfloss - mech
eyescream - mech
(neither of those is 100% but i do have reasons to believe they are more likely town. and i'd prefer not to elaborate rn unless i actually need to)
lassie - i think they claimed they were the one doing the baiting stuff about matchstick man? which probably is like. i really don't think that came from a wolf lol
lipstick - they just feel like town to me every time i see them posting
protagonist hair - honestly i think they're just obvtown. everything in the way they're posting, how they've played their mech, etc. seems towny

i'd consider lickilicky and mining peep but honestly it's just about sheeping hippo who claims to have strong reasons that both are town

that isn't probably very clear explanations but it's all you get from me rn lol

Didn’t know there was mech clearing them but I’m going to run with that

[FM-Ringmaster]

Waiting for scarf before I proceed further

[FM-Peekaboo]

I looked back at Naptime's legacy and I think their post about Worg's D1 ISO looking wolfy rings true. IIRC Naptime said this was something @FM-Scarf originally brought up?
The read accuracy is pretty low and the summary I think is pretty good. I'm reading their full ISO right now but want to bring more attention to this because I'm putting serious consideration into advocating for shots here.

Doing an ISO scan of Goblin and ... kind of picking up what @FM-Scarf is putting down ngl.

FM-Naptim: Now tunneling Goblin.

tl;dr Goblin's day 1 is just overtly wolfsiding in the way quality wolves get away with especially in mashes. Constant low level wolfreads on either confirmed or very likely townies, handling the suspicious slots with kid gloves and not bringing them into the light.

This post is pretty typical of what I mean re. Goblin.

One wolfread dead town, Match is likely town. And he is trying to bait me into making an incorrect wolf case on Sonrisa I feel.

I'm just sanity checking some reads because other people have vocalised them. Being a good friend. I'm allowed to make reads. You're not obligated to act on them.

Also RE: Hydra thing I think it was a joke and not mechanical information

[FM-Droopy Snout]

@FM-Breakup
It's a short ISO so I advice reading it

Droopy disagrees with me
And thinks they have clearing interactions with RC
But I don't really think so
They suspected RC
But didn't follow up with vote
Had some hmm interaction with Disco too

Mainly just
Not as overwhelmed as they should be as town

Also Naptime said kill them

they did follow up with vote just not immediately but it was still d1

[FM-Peekaboo]

Ignore that last quote from naptime, that was me preflipping and pairing with Worg and doesn't have relevance to the points against Worg

[FM-Dredge]

Let's just ITA all my scumreads and then outplay wolves with mech at night.

[FM-Dredge]

I looked back at Naptime's legacy and I think their post about Worg's D1 ISO looking wolfy rings true. IIRC Naptime said this was something @FM-Scarf originally brought up?
The read accuracy is pretty low and the summary I think is pretty good. I'm reading their full ISO right now but want to bring more attention to this because I'm putting serious consideration into advocating for shots here.









Also RE: Hydra thing I think it was a joke and not mechanical information

Ah okay. Well they've still both been solvy especially Lassie.

[FM-Peekaboo]

But if Worg flips red I think Lipstick and Hat are potentially paired and Mr Clean is spewed V (but I think he is a villager anyway so whatever)

[FM-Peekaboo]

Ah okay. Well they've still both been solvy especially Lassie.

I think Lassie looks better than Worg yes

[FM-Dredge]

Town, apparently Hydra with Lassie who shot town. Actively trying to solve, he's kind of a dick but he's funny and Lassie is nice.

Shot a wolf* to clarify.

[FM-Ringmaster]

I looked back at Naptime's legacy and I think their post about Worg's D1 ISO looking wolfy rings true. IIRC Naptime said this was something @FM-Scarf originally brought up?
The read accuracy is pretty low and the summary I think is pretty good. I'm reading their full ISO right now but want to bring more attention to this because I'm putting serious consideration into advocating for shots here.









Also RE: Hydra thing I think it was a joke and not mechanical information

Yeah I can see what you mean. I haven’t touched tbat slot (nor have I touched protagonist slot in a while) mainly because I don’t really want to be wrong on the slot; and I think it will become pretty clear if they are a wolf the longer we go (but also, uh, we will lose if we wait too long to pull that trigger). Speaking of which, is there like a couple of people you think will flip wolf at this point in the game?

[FM-Autumn]

Host said it was too broken and wouldn't allow it. I don't think they'd answer beforehand if something was too broken or not because then I could just spam the hosts asking "hey if I use my ability on x person, will it be too broken" to see who has powerful PR abilities and who has weak ones.

Also I was debating on trying to use my ability on Chibi tonight if Ringmaster is going to make a feast because Chibi can make neighborhoods and infinite neighborhoods would make every possible neighborhood between every possible set of players I think.

I forgot to mention this, but even if something is deemed too broken to do to infinity, they will next check to see if it would be broken to do it twice. So I'm hoping that we'll just get double the neighborhoods tonight. Also this means it was deemed too broken to even give 2x the blood moon effect.

... is it possible this is somewhat related to why oink was killed?

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

I see ITA1 is just an unmitigated disaster.

[FM-Dredge]

Day 3 ITA 1 [Correct me if any of this is not correct.]
Use this for cross referencing later if I'm dead.

Hon Hon Hon -> Chromatography, missed: wound inflicted
[Wrong Syntax] Monet Rocket -> Talking Anthill, doesn't count
[Wrong Name] Monet Rocket -> Talking Anthill, doesn't count
Eyescream -> Talking Anthill, missed: wound inflicted
Monet Rocket -> Talking Anthill, missed: wound inflicted
Platypus -> Talking Anthill, hit: killed, was town
Space Pizza -> Chromatography, missed: wound inflicted
Chromatography -> Hon Hon Hon: killed, was town
Snuggles -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
Player 2 -> Snuggles: killed, was town
SILENT ITA -> Oink: killed, was town
Protagonist Hair -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
Bad Hair Day -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted
Yellow Snow -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
Lickilucky -> Player 2, missed: wound inflicted
Mr. Clean -> Candyfloss, missed: wound inflicted
Scarf -> The Hat, missed: wound inflicted
Tiny Hippo -> ZOMG, missed: wound inflicted

@FM-Goblin and Worg

[FM-Ringmaster]

I think we are fine, we have solid townnreads. We need to use that advantage for the next session and make sure people clearly understand who we think is town so it doesn’t happen again. Hoping that this excercise also points out a clear couple of wolves people don’t have a lot of reason to clear

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

Honestly the number of town deciding to ignore the entire process of shot lists are going to make this ITA process harder to ever successfully get results from.

All of your shot lists should start with Player 2. I don't give a fuck about his reasons. At the very least most of the others were trying to follow a process of some.

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

I looked back at Naptime's legacy and I think their post about Worg's D1 ISO looking wolfy rings true. IIRC Naptime said this was something @FM-Scarf originally brought up?
The read accuracy is pretty low and the summary I think is pretty good. I'm reading their full ISO right now but want to bring more attention to this because I'm putting serious consideration into advocating for shots here.









Also RE: Hydra thing I think it was a joke and not mechanical information

Didn't we get a legacy from the dead? Wouldn't Naptime have put my name in there if he actually considered that as more than an uncharitable reading "what-if"?

If I'm wolf I've townsided more than I was required to D2. My D1 was bad, as I said I agree. (Despite being one of the earliest to clock Red Cross as wolfy, I never chased that until D2)

[FM-Ringmaster]

Another question

What reason are people using to constantly pull ZOMB out of shot lists? Yes wolves can post decently does anyone actually think their posting is actually insanely villagery? And another question is if you think they are villager where do you think we should be looking instead for wolves. ZOMB also visited me and we know that wolves have a factional roleblock and they could have tried to block me. They aren’t here so we won’t know but, I also don’t think they had a solid enough grasp on the game to protect me at night if they are a protective and so I’m kinda just asking myself what were they doing at my place

[FM-Dredge]

I think we are fine, we have solid townnreads. We need to use that advantage for the next session and make sure people clearly understand who we think is town so it doesn’t happen again. Hoping that this excercise also points out a clear couple of wolves people don’t have a lot of reason to clear

I think we're fine but we need to focus. I love naptime but it's also possible some of his legacy is off and we keep running with it and passing it around like a blunt.

What slots have been anti-town?
What slots haven't done shit.
What slots are ignored.

Those kind of things are how we can probably be more accurate. Nobody talks about BHD/Platypus/Catnip, Chroma and Player 2 made shitty shots. Hat is spooky, Eyescream is spooky. I don't really know what Peakaboo/choochoo are doing.

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

I'm tired of doing ISOs
And then just not getting much wiser
@FM-Talking Anthill Do you feel you've been trying to get a grasp of the whole game?
How are you getting on with solving?
@FM-Protagonist Hair I'm wondering how you're reading Anthill actually
@FM-Goblin and Worg You have probably said, but what do you think of ZOMG?

Ping me for answers please
I don't see every post

After my most recent interaction:
FM-Chromatography
FM-Snuggles
FM-Talking Anthill
FM-ZOMG
FM-Dredge
FM-Choo Choo
FM-Hon hon hon
FM-The Hat

Still not an official shotlist.

@Lipstick
See ZOMG on my shot list for an answer.

I will say that so far these scumreads aren't looking good but I am absolutely convinced there is at least a wolf or two on this list.

(And for anyone pointing out that I also sussed Snuggles while now lambasting P2:
This is less about agreement with reads and more about the consistency of actually following some sort of cohesive process with the shots. Wild/uncontrolled shots are the way wolves walk away with the game, unless we're very lucky. Hero shots that are accurate have a higher chance to miss than not. ITA's are deadly en masse, and shooting wildly with no cohesion means we're rolling a dice to see if we get wolves.)

[FM-Chromatography]

Another question

What reason are people using to constantly pull ZOMB out of shot lists? Yes wolves can post decently does anyone actually think their posting is actually insanely villagery? And another question is if you think they are villager where do you think we should be looking instead for wolves. ZOMB also visited me and we know that wolves have a factional roleblock and they could have tried to block me. They aren’t here so we won’t know but, I also don’t think they had a solid enough grasp on the game to protect me at night if they are a protective and so I’m kinda just asking myself what were they doing at my place

I still want to know why they self-voted too.

[FM-Ringmaster]

@Lipstick
See ZOMG on my shot list for an answer.

I will say that so far these scumreads aren't looking good but I am absolutely convinced there is at least a wolf or two on this list.

(And for anyone pointing out that I also sussed Snuggles while now lambasting P2:
This is less about agreement with reads and more about the consistency of actually following some sort of cohesive process with the shots. Wild/uncontrolled shots are the way wolves walk away with the game, unless we're very lucky. Hero shots that are accurate have a higher chance to miss than not. ITA's are deadly en masse, and shooting wildly with no cohesion means we're rolling a dice to see if we get wolves.)

I do not think that actually helps your case considering I have reason to suspect dredge is just town off Red Cross flip and that whole interaction. The list looks rather bad

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

Another question

What reason are people using to constantly pull ZOMB out of shot lists? Yes wolves can post decently does anyone actually think their posting is actually insanely villagery? And another question is if you think they are villager where do you think we should be looking instead for wolves. ZOMB also visited me and we know that wolves have a factional roleblock and they could have tried to block me. They aren’t here so we won’t know but, I also don’t think they had a solid enough grasp on the game to protect me at night if they are a protective and so I’m kinda just asking myself what were they doing at my place

They had one half-decent ISO on Red Cross (After half the game agreed they were wolfy) and people seem to be townreading that.

[FM-Dredge]

Actually Peakaboo has been helpful at least from a information gathering perspective and I appreciate that in contrast to the chaos that unfolded. The few reads of theirs I can remember I think I agreed with. Everyone else can be bonked.

[FM-Ringmaster]

I still want to know why they self-voted too.

They were scared of Lickity killing them somehow so voted themself to avoid it or whatever is my suspcion.

[FM-Peekaboo]

Didn't we get a legacy from the dead? Wouldn't Naptime have put my name in there if he actually considered that as more than an uncharitable reading "what-if"?

Wasn't Naptime not able to be spoken to as he didn't die until today?

[FM-Goblin and Worg]

I do not think that actually helps your case considering I have reason to suspect dredge is just town off Red Cross flip and that whole interaction. The list looks rather bad

Well it's a good thing that I'm an adherent of "Work with other people I think are town to create targets instead of doing what I want" isn't it?

Outside Dredge, what are your reads on other names on my list?