KRC: Sc2Mafia 13th Anniversary Game (S-FM 357)

[FM-Chibi Minnie]

tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?

but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case (and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)

Please kill both Autumn & Platypus over Lipstick pls town

-vote FM-Lassie

^^ For the Yggdrasil thing

[FM-Lassie]

tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?

I think there were some unexplained redirects on earlier nights?

but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case (and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)

agree with this pmuch
if Plat gets redirected (or claims to be) then we need an extra clear but that can probably be Lipstick

[FM-Lassie]

anyway

-vote FM-Chibi Minnie

idk if I'll be on much more today

if you can manage it, going for Yggdrasil is probably optimal
don't hammer me while trying to do it though lol

[FM-Platypus]

Yggdrasil thing seems kinda risky but I guess even if wolf hammers Lassie we probably wouldn’t lose yet, right?

Other than that Autumn‘s proposed progression seems sensible to me

[FM-Autumn]

Spoiler : . :

for some reason, whenever i'm trying to go through the reasons i'm townreading lipstick, i just keep having kinda similar feeling than what i sometimes do whenever i'm townreading wolves? in that like. the points etc (for why that's town) are objectively good. but also. i just. kinda keep feeling like i'm more just. want to believe they're town and trying to convince myself of that, instead of actually believing that those things can never come from wolves.
and it's like. i'm not really suspecting lipstick. it still seems very unlikely that they'd start killing wolves like that if they were a wolf. i guess i'm just getting a bit paranoid lol, and for some reason my gut just tells me to not trust them that much XD

it's kinda same with hippo, honestly

on the other hand, my gut is fully convinced that platypus is town. and i... actually want to trust myself about that. it's like. a bit weird read in the sense that i know plat's lhf slot who's objectively not as towny as many others. but. for some reason i just believe that they're town.

[FM-Autumn]

for some reason i remembered hippo's progression wrt scumreading kirby. like iirc they just said stuff like "that was my strongest townreads earlier, but now i'm looking at their posts again and i don't have any idea why i was townreading that". which is actually a very towny progression tbh

[FM-Lipstick]

yeah. but if there's a wolf outside of the poe, i think it needs to be like. exactly lipstick. there are just too many reasons to clear lassie/p2 and i'd need a very convincing case to start to even consider one of them as wolves tbh. (also both are basically mechclear bc blocks. lassie bc last night, p2 will be blocked tonight so if there's a kill that's clear lol)

Why will p2 be blocked again?

[FM-Autumn]

Why will p2 be blocked again?

licky's mark prevents them from using kill actions

[FM-Lipstick]

Spoiler : . :

for some reason, whenever i'm trying to go through the reasons i'm townreading lipstick, i just keep having kinda similar feeling than what i sometimes do whenever i'm townreading wolves? in that like. the points etc (for why that's town) are objectively good. but also. i just. kinda keep feeling like i'm more just. want to believe they're town and trying to convince myself of that, instead of actually believing that those things can never come from wolves.
and it's like. i'm not really suspecting lipstick. it still seems very unlikely that they'd start killing wolves like that if they were a wolf. i guess i'm just getting a bit paranoid lol, and for some reason my gut just tells me to not trust them that much XD

it's kinda same with hippo, honestly

on the other hand, my gut is fully convinced that platypus is town. and i... actually want to trust myself about that. it's like. a bit weird read in the sense that i know plat's lhf slot who's objectively not as towny as many others. but. for some reason i just believe that they're town.

Lol well that's just paranoia
But also yes I can be a hard wolf to catch ngl
But it's not "towny posts" that's relevant here
But it's really the entirety of D3 which was my best day
I think town would be screwed without me there, I really do
I didn't get to Flood and Choo fast enough (although I got to Choo before he was tracked)
I was buddied by Flood since they voted Parei after my clash with Parei where they tried to shade me for something that didn't happen
And I was like "Do you all see this wolf" and nobody cared
And I directly pinged Scarf to be like "Do you not see this shit"
And Flood was the only one to come in and vote Parei and then kill them
So I was just buddied and hadn't actually read their ISO carefully
Once I did, it was like super wolfy actually lol
But there's been too many people to get ahold of them all
And I have very much been concerned with the bigger fish this game
It was more needed D3 and less so the latter days
But that all worked out decently well

[FM-Lipstick]

licky's mark prevents them from using kill actions

Ah, and that still works. Well good

[FM-Lipstick]

I'm pretty happy with the things Hippo points out
It's kind of unreasonable for them to be wolf
I have some specific gripes, but I don't even think it's worth thinking too much about

I do have some amount of doubt on everyone including Chibi flipping wolf though
It might just be fear of this slipping away
But I still think even though I know there are counterarguments that there might be a 3p instead
And if so I think that's likely to be Plat because of the power
This is probably just my brain going "What can we lose to"

[FM-Chromatography]

I'm pretty happy with the things Hippo points out
It's kind of unreasonable for them to be wolf
I have some specific gripes, but I don't even think it's worth thinking too much about

I do have some amount of doubt on everyone including Chibi flipping wolf though
It might just be fear of this slipping away
But I still think even though I know there are counterarguments that there might be a 3p instead
And if so I think that's likely to be Plat because of the power
This is probably just my brain going "What can we lose to"

Where did the kill last night come from if there's only 3p?

[FM-Chromatography]

Also, what did people think of my self-clear? I'm very vain.

[FM-Lipstick]

Where did the kill last night come from if there's only 3p?

I know I know
I've played games were 3p takes over kill if mafia are gone though
I think I just hate not knowing for sure what we're dealing with
And wish I knew the number of wolves or at least that we would know if they were gone

Also, what did people think of my self-clear? I'm very vain.

Sure
Very cool
I'm sad you're dead and don't count for numbers though
But also cool and good job on fighting to survive

[FM-Platypus]

I think this setup just wasn’t made with a 3p

[FM-Lassie]

@FM-Autumn
@FM-Lipstick
@FM-Platypus
@FM-Player 2
@FM-Tiny Hippo

dont forget to vote

[FM-Lassie]

I think this setup just wasn’t made with a 3p

looking at the previous KRCs 3ps are pretty common, especially in the larger games

though, an anti-town 3p at this point (which is the only type that'd be problematic) seems pretty awkward to have in a mash
it's not super reasonable to say 'hey your win condition requires survival. have fun trying to outlive 50+ players lol'

[FM-Platypus]

looking at the previous KRCs 3ps are pretty common, especially in the larger games

though, an anti-town 3p at this point (which is the only type that'd be problematic) seems pretty awkward to have in a mash
it's not super reasonable to say 'hey your win condition requires survival. have fun trying to outlive 50+ players lol'

Yeah sure, I mean anti-town for sure

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

Honestly,

It’s always either chibbi or lassie

and someone said lassie was like semi clear

so im doing

-vote FM-Chibbi Minie

But for the record if this flips green you should kill lassie

Idc if you do me-> lassie

but if its not chibbie it has to be lassie here

[FM-Tiny Hippo]

Honestly,

It’s always either chibbi or lassie

and someone said lassie was like semi clear

so im doing

-vote FM-Chibbi Minie

But for the record if this flips green you should kill lassie

Idc if you do me-> lassie

but if its not chibbie it has to be lassie here

-vote FM-Chibi Minnie

[FM-Platypus]

I’ll vote Lassie for the Yggdrasil plan if we’re going with it

[FM-Lipstick]

Honestly,

It’s always either chibbi or lassie

and someone said lassie was like semi clear

so im doing

-vote FM-Chibbi Minie

But for the record if this flips green you should kill lassie

Idc if you do me-> lassie

but if its not chibbie it has to be lassie here

Can you explain this a little bit further?

[FM-Platypus]

[vote]FM-Lassie

[FM-Platypus]

-vote FM-Lassie

[FM-Lipstick]

I'm failing to feel confident here on Chibi
Despite some incriminating posts

But there's also
I don't really understand how their powers would work as wolf
If they get to pick someone who they are wolf with for the hood for example
I guess that wouldn't be allowed maybe but

Also they did kill Yellow with Hippo
And still now they're worried about Autumn being wolf
I don't know
Could just be wolf doing what they should and never give up on trying to seem town but

I honestly have some doubts
Don't know if it's just because that's how my brain works

I also don't see a reasonable alternative

[FM-Chromatography]

I'm failing to feel confident here on Chibi
Despite some incriminating posts

But there's also
I don't really understand how their powers would work as wolf
If they get to pick someone who they are wolf with for the hood for example
I guess that wouldn't be allowed maybe but

Also they did kill Yellow with Hippo
And still now they're worried about Autumn being wolf
I don't know
Could just be wolf doing what they should and never give up on trying to seem town but

I honestly have some doubts
Don't know if it's just because that's how my brain works

I also don't see a reasonable alternative

Can you talk through a village argument and/or a scum argument for everyone alive?

[FM-Autumn]

Honestly,

It’s always either chibbi or lassie

and someone said lassie was like semi clear

so im doing

-vote FM-Chibbi Minie

But for the record if this flips green you should kill lassie

Idc if you do me-> lassie

but if its not chibbie it has to be lassie here

i mean. for lassie to be a wolf they'd have had to like.
- come up with the entire matchstick bait. and give scarf all cred for being the one to out that plan (despite the fact that lassie was in a position where they needed that cred more than scarf did)
- either lie about having created neighborhood with scarf. or then create hood with scarf, get very lucky that the lost wolf randomly joined hood which had only two wolves (and if that happened, still be a lot more focused on trying to bait townies than in just actually talking with the lost wolf and trying to coordinate stuff)
- holster the third anticlaim kill until n6 and then correctly guess that they'd be roleblocked during exactly that night and successfully choose unstoppable kill and kill through the roleblock
- also other random stuff like trying to mech solve by asking choo to out the exact conditions of who they can guess (and then saying that if choo had said something different, they'd be town, but since they didn't they're still poe and can die)
- i'm pretty sure there were even other reasons to have lassie as town tbh but dont remember everything rn lol

[FM-Player 2]

Here but DnDing, where do I need to vote?

[FM-Lipstick]

Can you talk through a village argument and/or a scum argument for everyone alive?

I can talk out aloud about it

Autumn
V: Damn towny, track on Choo, voted Choo on Catnip day
W: Nah, is super wolf or something

P2
V: Towny, was shot at by multiple wolves, will be roleblocked so we'll see what that gives us
W: Somehow wolves decided to gun at P2 to let them go deep instead of gathering cred on ZOMG and Parei. Only way this can make sense is if the role is protected from ITA, but even then. Actually only thing I wonder about is if they had extra ITA powers when they shot Snuggles at first try.

Lassie
V: Think spew looks generally good, was in a hood with Scarf and Disco and still there was some signalling to Disco iirc. That whole tale doesn't seem to be made up. Was role blocked last night. Paranoia of Autumn right now very towny
W: Sometimes I don't know where they are going with certain questions or how they connect to the game. A little bit utr. General paranoia

Hippo
V: Extremely good track record throughout the game. Went after both Candy and Yellow immediately after and around Scarf was being outed. Has mech that is at least on surface level clearing being visited by Pyramid. The heat on multiple wolves and killing Yellow as very good. Scarf went after Hippo D1. Hippo was also anti ZOMG and put attention there when other wolves weren't.
W: Some awkward and bad jokey interactions with wolf. Struggle to see the perspective of "We could've buried you" as a town perspective as it reminds me of stuff I've heard angry wolves say. One of Scarf's last words was that "I believe it [something] from Hippo more, obviously" which is one thing that pings me still, because it seems very much like Scarf wanted to purposefully establish Hippo as town, like planting false TMI (similar to how they did when they said "Oh, Monet is outed" to make it seem that they weren't wolf themselves when Monet flipped town.) The last point is really sticking out to me, and I know it's probably something others may not care about as much. But I feel like I have a pretty good handle at reading intention into wolves like Scarf. Also they haven't died yet despite apparently being cleared for like most of the game

Chibi
V: Has some towny defence imo, also throughout when I've been suspicious of them, like "When are you going to see that I'm just town". Was part of killing Yellow.
W: Lack of other options. Some really damning posts like "I would want to have Candy on shot lists, but Autumns read there grrrrrr" is hella awkward. Chaotic perspectives that could be seen as just saying whatever to get by

[FM-Lipstick]

Lassie also shot at Choo on D3 and shot Candy right before Candy got in their shot on Catnip
These are also extremely good looks on Lassie

[FM-Lipstick]

Very possible I'm just spinning my wheels here and consensus is right and it's Chibi

[FM-Lipstick]

I forgot about Plat

V: Had an early town read and honestly think it's still good. Most of my early takes was actually good. Has spew that looks good for him. I don't really see why not just use poison to target towny players (I mean, I guess this could be explained by not wanting to be tracked or watched etc).
W: I forgot about Plat. Has been so utr that it would be just easier to get away with wolfing. Being one of the last people left without anything that clears him more

[FM-Eyescream]

Sorry I haven't really participated today. I have a lot of IRL stuff on my plate right now and since I'm dead and can't vote I've just been taking advantage of that to focus on those things.

I trust y'all, though. You've all come to more right conclusions than me and have more time and WIM to read things up.

[FM-Lipstick]

basically a guy had an item that got part of an ability of a player, they used it n0
they used it on snow and saw an ability about polination
tbey died and told me this

so, I hold onto this, I actually said itt “I know part of Snowe ability” like a while ago, when they were still alive, snow goes “yeah I bet I know which one it is!”
but snow doesn’t have a polonatiom ability
which probably means they used to but it was swapped because of tactician
which means there’s a mafia pollinator

Wait, no, this is confusing, hold on
It couldn’t have been a tactician
Reread the ZOMB role it was given out d1
(Which means he thought it was given out n0)
I think he meant to say he checked snow n1 but that just brings up more questions rather than answers of why snow showed up as that

This still means the bee exists and this actually may explain why people are seen givisitng people they aren’t

I think the bees target people and make them appear to visit someone else

Yeah sorry about that, but yes, tbis means someone who is currently aligned using a polination ability n1
and was redirected I think?
are people aware if they are redirected when investigating people,

The more I try to figure out mechanics the more I get lost I legitnatelt thought I was into something there

It’s still sometnint
We have two unexplained town visits
I think that’s likely to due with this role , forcing people to visit to spread pollination, so that was good
but otherwise I think if we ignore mechanics I think I want to look at Cat/Chrome/TFG tomorrow

@FM-Autumn What does all this mean?

[FM-Lipstick]

The comforting presence of ghosts

[FM-Lipstick]

Now I'm like fully creating a tale in my head about how Autumn's track of Choo was actually false because of the bees, but it was a happy accident, and Choo was like actually confused about it

I should get more into conspiracies irl tbh

[FM-Autumn]

@FM-Autumn What does all this mean?

from what i can tell

angry had scepter (the item from zomg's rolecard) which they used on kirby. they were supposed to get one sentence of kirby's rolecard. instead, they got something about hippo's rolecard (the pollination stuff). (i'm just trusting chibi that hippo said it was their role, tbh).

i actually don't remember what the pollination ability exactly was. or what ring was even talking about wrt that "bees make others appear like they visited someone else"

[FM-Autumn]

from what i can tell

angry had scepter (the item from zomg's rolecard) which they used on kirby. they were supposed to get one sentence of kirby's rolecard. instead, they got something about hippo's rolecard (the pollination stuff). (i'm just trusting chibi that hippo said it was their role, tbh).

i actually don't remember what the pollination ability exactly was. or what ring was even talking about wrt that "bees make others appear like they visited someone else"

but like. it should be hippo's role so if hippo was the one who claimed those "droopy/peek visited me" when they didn't actually do that... if it worked the way ringmaster thought, i think hippo would've known about it? and then wouldn't have been that confused about false investigative results?

[FM-Lassie]

I'm failing to feel confident here on Chibi
Despite some incriminating posts

But there's also
I don't really understand how their powers would work as wolf
If they get to pick someone who they are wolf with for the hood for example
I guess that wouldn't be allowed maybe but

Also they did kill Yellow with Hippo
And still now they're worried about Autumn being wolf
I don't know
Could just be wolf doing what they should and never give up on trying to seem town but

I honestly have some doubts
Don't know if it's just because that's how my brain works

I also don't see a reasonable alternative

oh I was thinking about this earlier
I noticed all the people they've picked are either flipped town, or likely town
(and if Chibi is wolf then most likely everyone else is town so)

they've claimed they were able to pick wolves like choo though
it could be a lie of course but not any way to test that

[FM-Lassie]

i actually don't remember what the pollination ability exactly was. or what ring was even talking about wrt that "bees make others appear like they visited someone else"

iirc this was just a theory

[FM-Lipstick]

but like. it should be hippo's role so if hippo was the one who claimed those "droopy/peek visited me" when they didn't actually do that... if it worked the way ringmaster thought, i think hippo would've known about it? and then wouldn't have been that confused about false investigative results?

@FM-Tiny Hippo Have you clarified how your bees work? Is it wise to do?

Searching for "pollination" in Ringmaster's ISO was certainly something to do this evening

[FM-Autumn]

(i kinda want chibi to be a wolf just because that kind of "you have killpower if you succeed to get townie to agree with you about how to use it" would be a cool role for a wolf lol)

[FM-Lipstick]

(i kinda want chibi to be a wolf just because that kind of "you have killpower if you succeed to get townie to agree with you about how to use it" would be a cool role for a wolf lol)

Yeah, that would be cool actually
Kind of hate that the roles of the three that is either suspect or tinfoil land for me are all roles that would fit mafia as I understand it
My role doesn't benefit mafia at all

[FM-Lipstick]

So the plan is 4 votes on Chibi and 3 on Lassie, which gives Lassie a protect ability if I understand correctly?

[FM-Chromatography]

So the plan is 4 votes on Chibi and 3 on Lassie, which gives Lassie a protect ability if I understand correctly?

That's the plan as I understand it unless I'm missing something.

[FM-Lipstick]

Waiting until the very end to vote then

[FM-Autumn]

(speaking of which, @FM-Player 2 we need your vote for that plan to succeed. just vote either one of chibi/lassie here tbh)

[FM-Lipstick]

Preferably Chibi first

Don't want any mistakes

[FM-Player 2]

(speaking of which, @FM-Player 2 we need your vote for that plan to succeed. just vote either one of chibi/lassie here tbh)

Yeah thanks, sorry woke up and straight into DnD so struggling to multi-task

-vote Fm-Chibi Minnie

[FM-Player 2]

Preferably Chibi first

Don't want any mistakes

Aye I figured lol