S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Luka]

anyways yall should look at DM because he claimed to know he was attacked N1 when you arent alerted, and also claimed he was protected by his tree when it doesn 't work like that

Martin or Luka should say if they protected him on N1 because if not he's a wolf, and if martin claims then he's a wolf

If I did protect him, I would have died. It's also why I claimed TG, wolves shouldn't attack me if they know what's good for them.

[Luka]

I don't even know what other wolf roles would exist but i doubt soul mate among all village roles the most

still think that Oli has big wolf equity and legit don't see why people are townreading him because his reactions to everything around cape was horrendous and that doesn't get negated by "he's pure and look at his energy" because energy means nothing when you have shit progressions and posts and interactions

With all due respect, you're blatnetly incorrect here. His emotions read 10000% genuine. I do not see him being wolf ever, he felt frustrated at thread in its purist form.

[scumbot5679]

while I don't want to die at all it's preferable to get to potentially take a scum don't with me instead of just outright dying. Can't wait to see Helz and DM's reactions when I town flip.

-vote oliverz144

[Luka]

literally no clue who your main could be

Wisp

[Luka]

Create an alt uwu

Oh
I think I mightve figured out your main

[Luka]

I think it’s like this.

One wolf within Oliver/Scumbot
One wolf within Luka/Martin

Although considering the lack of Death’s I’m going to say Luka is the Town.

Wasn't me
Read tough guy

[Luka]

also since all my MU friends are dead I can just stop acting :3

hello! it's a-me Rem!

Luka was wrong
L-Luka

[Luka]

Martin and luka need to claim their actions still

On Genshin Character
Why bother going on somebody likely to get attacked if the game is near auto

[Luka]

Yeah Im horrible at alts but I think DM being wisp is most liekly
Genshin is Rem. Hi Rem! We've played together before!!!

[Dark Magician]

yeahh MM can go get lynched ig?

MM is the same alignment as Tau.
Mizery confirms via Mech.

[Dark Magician]

Yeah Im horrible at alts but I think DM being wisp is most liekly
Genshin is Rem. Hi Rem! We've played together before!!!

Wisp has his own account, I'm not telling you my account strickly because I like Illwei and don’t want them to black list me.

[Dark Magician]

I’m surprised people can’t tell who I am.
The people who knows are Baker and Martin.
I mean MM does but only because of Discord as they never went on FoL.

[Dark Magician]

Oh wow Illwei’s never been a wolf once in FOL according to their sheet.

[MartinGG99]

It's preety difficult to lose this. Thinking of a worse-case scenario, assuming nothing special like vengeful:


t
t
t
t
t
t

m
m

n

Votes off town. Nks, with ghost in control and mafia killing, at most 2 towns and 1 mafia

t
t
t

m

n

At this point we should know who the mafia is, and if not, we vote off the town in a 1v1. Ghost is used then to either not-target or self-target and the last mafia.

After that, we have 2 town left and vote off Mizery. So really if we assume all of that then practical way we can only lose is if Varcron misplays the Evil Teacher control or if we all mess up and Evil Vengeful exists.

[MartinGG99]

Like several things would need to mess up for us to not win so

I kinda don't care what we end up doing

[Luka]

I’m surprised people can’t tell who I am.
The people who knows are Baker and Martin.
I mean MM does but only because of Discord as they never went on FoL.

Do I know you
Kiiruma maybe??

[oliverz144]

He said he gave Cat to Oliver.

got nothing
neither love nor cats nor death

[oliverz144]

honestly idek how im alive today
if we already have 2 neuts dead there is no evil teacher coz there is bounty hunter? so why did we have 2 deaths every night so far?

[oliverz144]

anyways i will read up, im sure smbdy of you already answered that

[oliverz144]

literally fucking nothing and that points to oli being a wolf
I still think DM is a wolf

thats very disrespectful and hurtful.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Okay so I think I got this down into one post.



this makes sense actually, as otherwise it'd be very likely one of Martin/Luka/Helz/Huo would've died

therefore one of us must be town, or both, we just don't know that yet

Therefore, if there are no red flips in Oliver/Scumbot, the only realistically possible team is MM/Huo -- supposedly Mizery, the evil teacher, tried killing MM/Huo on n1 and since it didn't happen they're the same alignment.

If there is a red flip, that clears MM. This narrows things down to

Luka/red flip
Martin/red flip
DM/red flip

With that knowledge, we can figure out exactly which by doing the following:



The evil teacher will detect if I am mafia -- we already know MM is town if there is a red flip from lynching Oli/Scumbot -- and if I am indeed mafia I get one too many stab wounds alongside MM.

The teacher check on MM + Luka will tell us if they're the same or not. If they're not, Luka is just outed since we know MM is town from the hypothetical red flip.

In the event that neither MM or I die, and Luka is revealed to be the same as MM, we can conclude that every one of us is town.

Which then reveals the final and only possibility:

DM/red flip



Since ghost is town-siding and controls evil teacher, only way to fuck with this plan is either not following the plan, Mizery lying to us (I doubt it), or the mafia NK. That is why by protecting Helz (as in, both me AND luka) we can ensure Helz lives through the next day to force a bride and instantly solve the game (or get extremely close to, I didn't math every possibility).

Thanks for the very clear summary, it's very much appreciated xD. I hate reading through mech stuff to make sense out of it

Also, this plan seems good, assuming Mizery isn't scum, but that's unlikely enough imo. If she is indeed scum, Varcron will know what she said is bs and will be able to attack her with the real evil teacher anyway.

I don't think there's anything missing here. But umm... is there anything left to actually do at this point lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wisp

Quit insulting Wisp, he's nice
no DM i dont forgive you for your playstyle this game lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

honestly idek how im alive today
if we already have 2 neuts dead there is no evil teacher coz there is bounty hunter? so why did we have 2 deaths every night so far?

@oliverz144 I had the same brain bug lol. Wild Card can act as any role, so it acted as bounty hunter to make us believe it existed, basically. There's no BH, and there is an evil teacher, who is very likely to be Mizery (who is controlled by pro-town ghost).

Also, I think scumbot is more likely scum than you, you're kinda towny so

-vote scumbot5679

[MartinGG99]

-vote scumbot5679

whatever happens I'm p sure we'll all figure it out

[oliverz144]

and i can't help you do anything. I'm nothing. I don't exist. I am a shell simply talking and thinking and unable to act. I am a spectator in a game i signed up play.

You grew into a tree ¦>]

[Marshmallow Marshall]

For our trees in this town please stop becoming trees. Hold your vote power. It’s what we need right now

You don't accept me as I am!


(but yes obviously lol)

[oliverz144]

@oliverz144 I had the same brain bug lol. Wild Card can act as any role, so it acted as bounty hunter to make us believe it existed, basically. There's no BH, and there is an evil teacher, who is very likely to be Mizery (who is controlled by pro-town ghost).

Also, I think scumbot is more likely scum than you, you're kinda towny so

-vote scumbot5679

oh ok
yeah scumbot pocketed me guya over the course of the game, i always noticwd this
he was there when i was pushed the strongest
ut was cozy and warm
now i will burn it
arghhhhhh

-vote scumbot5679

heard you got conf towned??

[Marshmallow Marshall]

oh ok
yeah scumbot pocketed me guya over the course of the game, i always noticwd this
he was there when i was pushed the strongest
ut was cozy and warm
now i will burn it
arghhhhhh

-vote scumbot5679

heard you got conf towned??

I got evil-teacher'd with Huo, according to Mizery, and we're alive, so Huo and I are aligned

Actually, just read Martin's summary lol, it's clear

[oliverz144]

I'd rather he used that on Martin or oli. Because it's really just martin/oli likely, but possible luka/oli hoenstly which would explain the lack of any kills.

yeah go and f
im a such a bad player that my team is winning and you got caught by a read sod2 xD haha
meanwhile i never even got checked and never will
hahahaha go and take a walk

[Marshmallow Marshall]

yeah go and f
im a such a bad player that my team is winning and you got caught by a read sod2 xD haha
meanwhile i never even got checked and never will
hahahaha go and take a walk

Mizery is in a pretty.... miserable situation rn, and she didn't exactly play into it, so no need to be rude lol. She's not even aligned with anyone else

[oliverz144]

I got evil-teacher'd with Huo, according to Mizery, and we're alive, so Huo and I are aligned

Actually, just read Martin's summary lol, it's clear

yeah i will read chronological
just a question tho.
(if) since all kills every night have beem done by mizery
how can she not kill when you two huo and mm had the same alignment? every night miz was killing, no time to find two samies.... amirit?

[oliverz144]

Mizery is in a pretty.... miserable situation rn, and she didn't exactly play into it, so no need to be rude lol. She's not even aligned with anyone else

yeah but shes rude to me :cry:
tellin scum!me wouldnt get a kill done

[oliverz144]

It CANT be MM and anyone other than Huo

if ur not gonna listen to me on that then fine, but you can see i didn't kill anyone N1 and it was because i checked between MM and Huo

oh tru there is no kill n1
lol i found my answer to a question rn in a post while readin up haha

[oliverz144]

Most wolves are afraid of me so they listen to me for town Cred.

bro
they are afraid you are contagious

[oliverz144]

Oh i have an idea, we could lynch oliver, if he is true town vengeful he kills martin

And we go from there on targets for me and evil teacher

If he is scum vengeful well shit i probably die

Tbh only reason i thought oliver could be wolf when he claimed vengeful was that he wanted to be brided instead of mizery iirc

oh yeah
we had a plan.i was gonna die
im still alive since 2 phases

[Mizery]

Oh wow Illwei’s never been a wolf once in FOL according to their sheet.

My personal sheet or like an fol stats list

Also dm isn't wisp wisp knows mizary

[Mizery]

Just because I stopped updating my sheet like over a year ago I think

[Mizery]

yeah but shes rude to me :cry:
tellin scum!me wouldnt get a kill done

Well you haven't, so....

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

-vote scumbot5679

[oliverz144]

also since all my MU friends are dead I can just stop acting :3

hello! it's a-me Rem!

do we konw eachother? i think so....

[Dark Magician]

Quit insulting Wisp, he's nice
no DM i dont forgive you for your playstyle this game lol

Hey I’m not trying to be mean I am just trying to ensure my team wins!

[Mizery]

Who tf is wisp
Dm can't be wisp

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I've been thinking, what's the mafia plan here?

and a few scenarios came to mind

Mizery could be lying about being evil teacher, giving us a bunch of fake input, ergo, if they kill me you guys think MM is town for sure, so remember this if Mizery turns out to not be evil teacher

the only one that knows for sure if they controlled evil teacher!mizery is the ghost, that can't comunicate with us


other thing is that they are banking on getting helz to bride a town, and kill with vengeful?

hide the evil teacher for today?

other than that I think they are done-so

summary mizery could be roleswapping with scumbot eh @Varcron in case you didn't hit the evil teacher, consider this

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

also, I have no idea why people are hatting on Mr' Magician's gameplay

I think there's worse performances by far this game smh

[oliverz144]

So Oliver gets executed and Venge kills Scumbot.

im town dude

[oliverz144]

this is like the 15th time i need to open discord and chanhge targets

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

like no offense but I would rate Mr Magician > Marshmallow

regardless of alignment

[oliverz144]

No, the cat will mourns and go cry somewhere

[oliverz144]

I’m more confident simply lynching Scumbot hits mafia.

Really not about lynching a town to kill another player. We just kill that player instead and keep our townie.

thank You!
<3

[oliverz144]

Okay so I think I got this down into one post.



this makes sense actually, as otherwise it'd be very likely one of Martin/Luka/Helz/Huo would've died

therefore one of us must be town, or both, we just don't know that yet

Therefore, if there are no red flips in Oliver/Scumbot, the only realistically possible team is MM/Huo -- supposedly Mizery, the evil teacher, tried killing MM/Huo on n1 and since it didn't happen they're the same alignment.

If there is a red flip, that clears MM. This narrows things down to

Luka/red flip
Martin/red flip
DM/red flip

With that knowledge, we can figure out exactly which by doing the following:



The evil teacher will detect if I am mafia -- we already know MM is town if there is a red flip from lynching Oli/Scumbot -- and if I am indeed mafia I get one too many stab wounds alongside MM.

The teacher check on MM + Luka will tell us if they're the same or not. If they're not, Luka is just outed since we know MM is town from the hypothetical red flip.

In the event that neither MM or I die, and Luka is revealed to be the same as MM, we can conclude that every one of us is town.

Which then reveals the final and only possibility:

DM/red flip



Since ghost is town-siding and controls evil teacher, only way to fuck with this plan is either not following the plan, Mizery lying to us (I doubt it), or the mafia NK. That is why by protecting Helz (as in, both me AND luka) we can ensure Helz lives through the next day to force a bride and instantly solve the game (or get extremely close to, I didn't math every possibility).

i dont get this