S-FM 355: Nonstandard Roles 3

[Dark Magician]

But I was the protective myself.
I was the one that prevented my own death by killing myself forst.

[MartinGG99]

In other news, where is @Mizery and her claim? She's just sitting back and letting the world burn rn. Should've listened to myself and waited for her to claim. Had I known half the game would go crazy lol...

why would Mizery's claim change anything

like litterally anything

[Dark Magician]

MM should vote Mizery though if they haven’t already.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I trust Lily more.
I called out a Cape/MM/Mizery team day 1 and I was attacked night 1.

Meaning at least 2 of Cape/Mizery/MM is correct and we know Cape is a wolf.

That's an immense leap in logic. There are reasons other than being correct that lead to mafia kills, such as being widely townread (which you kinda were, iirc).

Also, aside from that... how did you live N1?

[Dark Magician]

MM could just have that read on Mizery for distancing.

[Mizery]

This is seriously stupid and whoever is pushing for me to die over cape is a wolf becayse there's no guarantee that 1) varcron pays attention enough or that 2) he hits the right person for it to be worth it

I'm out with my gf today so I'm not really around

[MartinGG99]

I was attacked night 1 after I called out a You/Cape/Mizery team.

Sapling is last in order of operations, in all likelihood if you are attacked while transitioning, unless someone else is protecting you, you die.
@powerofdeath

If a sapling chooses to turn themselves into a tree, but is attacked the same night, then notwithstanding any other mech shenanigans they die?

[Dark Magician]

That's an immense leap in logic. There are reasons other than being correct that lead to mafia kills, such as being widely townread (which you kinda were, iirc).

Also, aside from that... how did you live N1?

I bet Bolded was the same question on why mafia attacked me again last night.
Called killing myself and becoming Deathproof.

[Dark Magician]

Sapling is last in order of operations, in all likelihood if you are attacked while transitioning, unless someone else is protecting you, you die.
@powerofdeath

If a sapling chooses to turn themselves into a tree, but is attacked the same night, then notwithstanding any other mech shenanigans they die?

You sure?

[Dark Magician]

This is seriously stupid and whoever is pushing for me to die over cape is a wolf becayse there's no guarantee that 1) varcron pays attention enough or that 2) he hits the right person for it to be worth it

I'm out with my gf today so I'm not really around

Helz is the one who wants to push outside of Cape.

[MartinGG99]

MM could just have that read on Mizery for distancing.

he isn't mafia

though I do realize you have evil teacher reserved for me so brain's gotta cope somehow ig

[powerofdeath]

Sapling is last in order of operations, in all likelihood if you are attacked while transitioning, unless someone else is protecting you, you die.
@powerofdeath

If a sapling chooses to turn themselves into a tree, but is attacked the same night, then notwithstanding any other mech shenanigans they die?

Order of Operations:
1. Release the Cat
2. Fancy Lady Visit
3. Fabricator/Parrot/Night Watchman/Tough Guy/Soul Mate/Monk
4. Mafia/Werewolf/Evil Teacher kills
5. Blackmailer/Gambler/Door Salesman/Teacher/Bounty Hunter
6. Corruptor
7. Sapling Grow into Trees/Grave Robber Reverts back

Kills are #4 in Order of Operation, Sapling is #7. So Sapling will die before they can successfully grow into a big beautiful tree.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Luka, DM, and Baker have all vouched for Lily on meta or whatever at one point or another. I kinda can't ignore that.



there's one

And Porscha has vouched for my case against her....... you're also ignoring LITERALLY EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE and ignoring my obviously genuine scumhunt.

... also wait a minute, are you justifying your choice by saying you're sheeping a D1 metaread, a supposed illumination from DM, and a meta read from a guy who's in the PoE (Luka) and whose meta tell pretty much goes against what a meta dive in Lily's past game indicates (she was active and all in that game, there is a difference with here)?

........ ummmm, that's pretty abysmal, actually

[Mizery]

This eod is stupid why are we not literally killing the outed wolf
If there was a day to not do that it was yesterday after he claimed flower child. Not today.

[Mizery]

Did lily and mm really both claim the same role

[MartinGG99]

You sure?

I'm preety sure.

Once you become a tree, you cannot vote, and you will become deathproof


7. Sapling Grow into Trees/Grave Robber Reverts back

[Mizery]

I didn't see that in my catchup

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Okay so I'm actually being voted because I claimed lol???





Sapling is literally vanilla townie. Are you saying 2 vanilla townies in a 15p game is impossible...?? That's silly.

Also, IN WHAT WORLD IS LILY TOWNIER THAN ME, SERIOUSLY. If you thought that there should be just 1 sapling, you should AT LEAST be voting Lily the openly useless nonsolving slot (not personal Lily btw, no hate meant, just an activity/involvement fact).

I said that, bit Magician says mech stuff go brrr, so we go you

[Dark Magician]

This eod is stupid why are we not literally killing the outed wolf
If there was a day to not do that it was yesterday after he claimed flower child. Not today.

Helz had a good point.
We should try to get rid of an unknown wolf then finishing off the outed one that we can easily kill whenever later.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I bet Bolded was the same question on why mafia attacked me again last night.
Called killing myself and becoming Deathproof.

My point was exactly what Martin brought up. I know since, you know, I AM THAT ROLE and thought about it, wondering if it could be used as a strange variant of a vest.

If you were indeed attacked on N1, you were protected, beca--

Or you're evil teacher... actually, is there anything going against this possibility lol? Hm. I... hmmmm. I looked at your vote history, and you literally never voted in the game, so that tells us nothing. I don't know anymore, actually.

[MartinGG99]

And Porscha has vouched for my case against her....... you're also ignoring LITERALLY EVERYTHING I HAVE DONE and ignoring my obviously genuine scumhunt.

... also wait a minute, are you justifying your choice by saying you're sheeping a D1 metaread, a supposed illumination from DM, and a meta read from a guy who's in the PoE (Luka) and whose meta tell pretty much goes against what a meta dive in Lily's past game indicates (she was active and all in that game, there is a difference with here)?

........ ummmm, that's pretty abysmal, actually

this is the end of the world and I know it

this is the end of the world and I know it

this is the end of the world and I know it

and I feel fiiiiiinnnnnneeeeeeeeeee



Sure. Abysmal. Whatever. I'm just trying this game and finding neutrals is hard. Can't use mafia associatives to solve for that.

[Dark Magician]

Anyway, I trust Lily 100% and I’m not really sold on MM, I think both can be town.

Also means town had an absolutely terrible rand.
Wolf Sided Rand.

But we can still pull through as long as neither of us mess up.

MM and Lily need to work together for the time being and never use their Deathproof no matter what.

[Dark Magician]

We should just vote out Mizery since they clearly don’t have a claim ready.

[MartinGG99]

But since MM is flailing so much

-vote Mizery

I owe them that much.

[Mizery]

Helz had a good point.
We should try to get rid of an unknown wolf then finishing off the outed one that we can easily kill whenever later.

This is logic that literally only applies if we have a vig and we don't confirmed have a vig

[Dark Magician]

My point was exactly what Martin brought up. I know since, you know, I AM THAT ROLE and thought about it, wondering if it could be used as a strange variant of a vest.

If you were indeed attacked on N1, you were protected, beca--

Or you're evil teacher... actually, is there anything going against this possibility lol? Hm. I... hmmmm. I looked at your vote history, and you literally never voted in the game, so that tells us nothing. I don't know anymore, actually.

Again, Helz can just confirm me by using Bride on me.

Also are you honestly trying to sus me right now? Lmao.

[Mizery]

The fact that everyone is trying to kill two villagers instead of the outed wolf is a topic for tomorrow after either of us flip

Lily is more likely lying about her role than mm imo

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

I'll vote whatever helz decides

[Mizery]

We should just vote out Mizery since they clearly don’t have a claim ready.

That implies I need to prepare a claim

I've died for it before and I'll do it again but I'm not gonna claim

[Dark Magician]

The fact that everyone is trying to kill two villagers instead of the outed wolf is a topic for tomorrow after either of us flip

Lily is more likely lying about her role than mm imo

Your wolves with MM.
Nice.
Or you’re trying to pair yourself with MM.
Nice.

[Dark Magician]

That implies I need to prepare a claim

I've died for it before and I'll do it again but I'm not gonna claim

Yeah because you don’t have one other then Mafia.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I said that, bit Magician says mech stuff go brrr, so we go you

@Huo Huo and Mr Tail so because Magician says "mech stuff" WHILE CLAIMING LITERALLY VANILLA TOWNIE, you believe him? Okay.

I INVOKE THE POWER OF "MECH STUFF" TOO AND SAY DM IS SPOUTING BULLSHIT. I HAVE MECHANICAL EVIDENCE THAT SAPLINGS CANNOT HAVE MECHANICAL EVIDENCE APART FROM KNOWING WHAT'S IN THE SETUP.

There you go Huo, you're free from his evil spell and can now think for yourself about how much sense that makes. Like... saying the word "mech" doesn't magically make one right lol.

[Mizery]

Starbucks reserve roasters espresso martini flight kinda sucks all around ngl

[MartinGG99]

this is the end of the world and I know it

this is the end of the world and I know it

this is the end of the world and I know it

and I feel fiiiiiinnnnnneeeeeeeeeee



Sure. Abysmal. Whatever. I'm just trying this game and finding neutrals is hard. Can't use mafia associatives to solve for that.

FRICK I GOT THE LYRICS WRONG

its "as we know it" not "and I know it"

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

That implies I need to prepare a claim

I've died for it before and I'll do it again but I'm not gonna claim

-vote myzery

[MartinGG99]

welp the 1 time martin cites song lyrics shall forever exist in shame

[Helz]

This eod is stupid why are we not literally killing the outed wolf
If there was a day to not do that it was yesterday after he claimed flower child. Not today.

This job is taking longer than I anticipated but I’m trying to wrap it up so I can jump in full time.

We have a small PoE of players with a high chance of hitting scum plus a ghost who can kill cape and is likely anti-mafia win con and a vengeful who can target on Cape.
If the vengeful targets cape and the evil teacher targets Oliver then cape dies. Also strong potential for teacher to bridge someone in the PoE with Oliver for a potential triple kill which would eliminate 2 scum and 1 town fitting their objectives.

Lots of advantages to going off cape. If I had the time I was intending on digging through cape to see alignment indicators. Given his play I was actually going specifically look for if there were some players he avoided while pushing at everyone else.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

@Huo Huo and Mr Tail so because Magician says "mech stuff" WHILE CLAIMING LITERALLY VANILLA TOWNIE, you believe him? Okay.

I INVOKE THE POWER OF "MECH STUFF" TOO AND SAY DM IS SPOUTING BULLSHIT. I HAVE MECHANICAL EVIDENCE THAT SAPLINGS CANNOT HAVE MECHANICAL EVIDENCE APART FROM KNOWING WHAT'S IN THE SETUP.

There you go Huo, you're free from his evil spell and can now think for yourself about how much sense that makes. Like... saying the word "mech" doesn't magically make one right lol.

Is not just that, by logic you are in poe anyway

[Mizery]

Yeah because you don’t have one other then Mafia.

Literally adding you to my blacklist on games because you literally latch on to a tunnel and never re eval and it literally makes me want to kill you or myself

[Helz]

Again, Helz can just confirm me by using Bride on me.

Also are you honestly trying to sus me right now? Lmao.

You don’t need confirming. Stop asking. You are town

[Dark Magician]

This job is taking longer than I anticipated but I’m trying to wrap it up so I can jump in full time.

We have a small PoE of players with a high chance of hitting scum plus a ghost who can kill cape and is likely anti-mafia win con and a vengeful who can target on Cape.
If the vengeful targets cape and the evil teacher targets Oliver then cape dies. Also strong potential for teacher to bridge someone in the PoE with Oliver for a potential triple kill which would eliminate 2 scum and 1 town fitting their objectives.

Lots of advantages to going off cape. If I had the time I was intending on digging through cape to see alignment indicators. Given his play I was actually going specifically look for if there were some players he avoided while pushing at everyone else.

He avoided Mizery.

And a bit of MM.

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

But saying mech stuff go brrr is funnier

[Dark Magician]

But MM isn’t a for sure like Mizery.

[Mizery]

You're going to look really fucking stupid here I hope you know that

[Dark Magician]

Literally adding you to my blacklist on games because you literally latch on to a tunnel and never re eval and it literally makes me want to kill you or myself

I don’t usually do it but I have high confidence in the read.

I just REALLY didn’t like Cape’s day one read on you.
It felt like Cape was reading a Partner.
And then your hesitance on voting him made me irritated and I determined your wolf for sure.

[Lilypetal]

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

i don't think marshmallow is particularly wolfy but isnt too towny either

on the flip side i think magician is towny and is claiming a role that seems to make marshmallow's claim, plus 2 of my useless role seems kinda wack

so yea

[Helz]

Has anyone received a cat this game?

I feel like it would be an odd claim for scum given it’s utility is confirmable while it has an evil pairing but I do not Remeber hearing anyone mentioning getting a cat

[MartinGG99]

But saying mech stuff go brrr is funnier

wholeheartedly agree

idk why but I've also been in, like, a for-funsies mood

saw it as that when I read it

[Dark Magician]

You're going to look really fucking stupid here I hope you know that

Your town aren’t you?
I fucked up didn’t I?

[Huo Huo and Mr Tail]

Mizery instead of going with her gf or w/e is still here, instead of talking about what decision to make he is ateing.