@Helz
You also don’t understand.
You are NOT night immune anymore, it wears off tonight.
@Helz
You also don’t understand.
You are NOT night immune anymore, it wears off tonight.
I was wondering if you were death immune forever that’s why I asked the host last night and he said no that when the bounty expires so does your death protection.
Okay so I think I got this down into one post.
this makes sense actually, as otherwise it'd be very likely one of Martin/Luka/Helz/Huo would've died
therefore one of us must be town, or both, we just don't know that yet
Therefore, if there are no red flips in Oliver/Scumbot, the only realistically possible team is MM/Huo -- supposedly Mizery, the evil teacher, tried killing MM/Huo on n1 and since it didn't happen they're the same alignment.
If there is a red flip, that clears MM. This narrows things down to
Luka/red flip
Martin/red flip
DM/red flip
With that knowledge, we can figure out exactly which by doing the following:
The evil teacher will detect if I am mafia -- we already know MM is town if there is a red flip from lynching Oli/Scumbot -- and if I am indeed mafia I get one too many stab wounds alongside MM.
The teacher check on MM + Luka will tell us if they're the same or not. If they're not, Luka is just outed since we know MM is town from the hypothetical red flip.
In the event that neither MM or I die, and Luka is revealed to be the same as MM, we can conclude that every one of us is town.
Which then reveals the final and only possibility:
DM/red flip
Since ghost is town-siding and controls evil teacher, only way to fuck with this plan is either not following the plan, Mizery lying to us (I doubt it), or the mafia NK. That is why by protecting Helz (as in, both me AND luka) we can ensure Helz lives through the next day to force a bride and instantly solve the game (or get extremely close to, I didn't math every possibility).
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
@Helz
You THINK you are doing the right thing not checking me but your WRONG.
People are going to sus me late game.
It is UNAVOIDABLE.
You NEED to Green Check me so everyone knows I am Town 100%.
If you don’t believe me, ping everyone alive and ask how confident they are that I am town.
You will understand not everyone is 100% sure I am town.
99.5% chance sure DM is town
0.5% chance of me doesn't give a frick to care
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
There might also be a time where I end up voting and realize I forgot I can’t vote and people become sus and I don’t want that to happen.
@Marshmallow Marshall
Whole bunch of posts at SoD4, so I've got the important bits down into one post I think. This post I made should help you wrap your head around it. Also Mizery is Evil Teacher for context.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Plus I’m also trying to get this town win so I can say I won a game as Town without voting Once and link that person to this game here.
I think I've won a game somewhere voting only one time.
I've completely forgotten which one it was and how'd I end up doing that despite living for a while lol.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Also Mizery was that you that called me Evil Teacher last day phase?
Lol.
Clearly Mizery wanted me as their partner.
Become their Evil Student.
@oliverz144
we're planning to vote you off so you can vengeful kill scumbot
this works so we can clear both you guys in one day, which leads to auto-win --- see the above quoted post
MAKE SURE YOU TELL THE HOST THAT YOU'RE TARGETING THEM -- YOU DON'T KILL THEM AFTER DEATH, YOU KILL THEM UPON DEATH.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
If we come up with a near total mechanical crunch I will get behind this and push for it. Otherwise I really do townread Oliver and would put him very low in the PoE for elimination.
Would rather have him vengeful target and have our ghost push an evil teacher paring on him after a side lynch without looking at the numbers. Haven’t really dug into it and I’m half in drunk mode now but that feels more optimal than a lynch especially if I set up a if/then scenario.
I have only been wrong about very small details in this game so far and I think our ghost will follow my lead.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Just realized there is ofc one more way to frick the plan, which is mafia vengeful killing Helz.
But I don't think that breaks the plan. In the end, that allows Scumbot to do a check with his cat since he wasn't killed by mafia Vengeful. Regardless of Scumbot being town or mafia, it'll cause the resulting PoE to shrink by one so that there's a 1v1 thunderdome by next day phase.
See the logic below:
Because then Luka and I just need to do this:
Commit to protecting helz, and if Oli murders Helz, we commit to protecting Huo Huo. If mafia doesn't NK Mizery, we get full alignment checks on Me/MM/Luka and leaves game at Oli/DM and Oli/Scumbot as possible teams.
If mafia does NK Mizery, then that opens things up to
Martin/Oli
DM/Oli
Scumbot/Oli
However, since we're assuming a mafia vengeful DOES NOT kill @Scum bot5678 , we can just send the cat to one of these people and force a check via cat regardless.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
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@scumbot5679
Basically please send your cat to one of Martin/DM. If Oli is mafia vengeful he may try to kill Helz in which case that leaves you open to do a check.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
I'm preety confident in this plan. I'll type up a better formatted one probably sometime tomorrow IRL.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
@Helz
Reads can be wrong.
Despite my fantastic read accuracy on Lily and Cape I was wrong on what evil Mizery was.
Mechanically Oliver and Scumbot both dying today makes town’s chance of winning basically almost 100%.
Not killing Oliver and them being wolf loses us the game or has a damn good chance to, you understand this right?
It’s like you are just make optimally bad plays today.
Like I don’t know why in the actual fuck you think not using your ability at all is better then targeting me.
If you want to use your ability on someone else you should do so today.
However, perhaps there is something I’m not seeing.
If the Protectives can 100% protect you tonight without issues then yes ok I can understand not using it on anyone today and makes sense why you don’t use it on me.
But let me go over that.
Ok I checked.
Martin and Luka can protect you without issue.
@Luka
@Martin
The way I see it there is no reason to check Hau because if wolves kill Hau then it just confirms MM as Town.
to protect Hau*
The best protection is Helz so um yeah.
Helz is right they don’t need to use their ability until tomorrow.
We also can do Scumbot instead of Oliver as even if they are a wolf if we get rid of them last.
Technically it is more optimal to do like:
Scumbot Execution Today.
Oliver Execution Tomorrow.
So forget what I said, Helz is right.
Helz cannot die tonight as long as both Martin and Luka is on them.
Hau dying tonight confirms MM as town.
Hau gets a check off tonight, I recommend Martin and Luka.
Varcron chooses MM and Martin tonight.
We execute Scumbot today.
We use Helz ability tomorrow to get a confirmed and Oliver can also be used as a Vengeful or just execute him then just in case.
This game play should be game winning
@Helz
I am sorry for
1)Doubting your Plan.
2)Pinging you so much.
Example even if Tau dies and let’s say somehow Scumbot flipped town.
Oliver
Helz
MM
Martin
Luka
MM and Helz are confirmed town.
Oliver is confirmed mafia.
One of the Protectives (Martin and Luka) are mafia, however at that point if we trust Varcron to go with the plan it would just be Luka meaning:
Luka and Oliver would be the team.
Again, Game Winning Strat.
Plus if Oliver is Mafia Vengeful we just kill Helz. So it is best to deal with Oliver after the other mafia member when Helz does their thing tomorrow.
Also BTW Helz you were night immune, Helz takes the ability they don’t fake the ability.
Wild takes the ability*
Not Helz lol, sorry spelling error.
Also sorry guys for speaking so much lol, all I can do this game!!
This entire time I didn’t realize Genshin Impact was a Mobile game
But I now know it is as it’s made by the same makers as Honkai: Star Rail
idk yet how its auto but i trust you
Praise the Lord!
Oliver change of plans, we are going with Helz plan.
We are killing Scumbot.
Better to do that in the case your a wolf so you don’t Venge kill Helz.
Your alignment should be sorted easily tomorrow and if not you will have a Venge shot on a confirmed wolf.
As even if you are town, it’s better to save your Venge shot for tomorrow where it matters allot.