Page 4 was a pain to read
Lily made some points + clearly shows townie thoughtbnD thinking
Tbh I didn’t read martins walls but I’m just gonna effort clear them
Scumbots posts were kinda bad therr
/vote varcon
Doing some catch-up.
Where are you going with this post? I'm not even sure what you think of my post or of Lilypetal. Did you mean "but" instead of "because"? Otherwise, I'm very confused xD.
Dixit the guy who gives a list of reads on post #99 without prompt and without really having it back anything up. Grrrrr. Also
how dare you
Um, sure. Explanations could be nice. Are you invoking some kind of meta read here?
Also, this... interesting entrance prompted me to read your ISO (which consists of 4 posts atm, one of them being "g'day" and another being this one). Regarding Martin's bride rejection, I agree with his choice, tbh, especially since Helz was pretty much asking for him to reject. Forcing people to accept the bride is going to be more relevant on D2 with actual suspects: considering how pretty thin and nonserious the pushes have been so far, it would've been quite the waste for him to accept imo.
I also find it very strange that you said "If I'm not chosen, I would like to ask Helz to demand Martin once again." Why would you be chosen? I don't think anyone had ever said anything hostile about you (especially not at the post of your post), so I don't get where this self-consciousness would come from, unless it's because you're nervous scum (especially after not having played in a while).
Cape is effort cleared + I agree with the logic
Auwt had a mm with me on the reveal so >.< townie
Um my brain cells are kind of fried and I'm having a hard time mentally keeping track of some of you and the reads, since I'm not familiar, but like
Idk
Aurn aurm auxx?? Meh
Huohuo - meh
Cape - undecided, posts were making my eyes glaze over cuz trying to read on mobile in car before work too tired, need to actually read them to see if make sense. BUT if cape is a wolf he is probably the one putting in the most effort so far. This thought gives me the ick
Lily - not blatantly scumreading her, kinda townreading tbh
Mizery- can be tr for now but I dont think I've seen her wolf before so I'll probs keep tinfoiling for a while if I had to guess
Helz - is like. Ok I guess. Think my brain is mixing up some of his stuff with MM, would need to relook, but I think townlean is ok
Dark magician - if you're only on FoL then I'd be surprised if you knew my meta well enough to make such arguments in defense of me that early but idk you clearly miss social cues a bit lol makes me think of 1 specific person but my brain keeps thinking I've seen that main account on here before, ergo unsure who you are. Idk what to do with you. You're a little alien. Best I can do is a null read I think
Baker - like... start serving I guess? Not enough serve. Requires more serve. Shrug yeetable
Oliverz - yeh I dont remember your early posts which were probably more ai than the ones I saw last page idk null
MM - just clear soooooooo
Um
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Sorry to whoever I cant remember. It's not you, it's me. No amount of couples therapy will fix this, though
Oh luka. Me boy. Lil guy who says the opposite of everyone else. Dunno what it means. Willing to take the risk and call him town lean
Cant remember having feelings on varcon posts zz
Omg I literally thought of Martin while making my list and forgot to include him
Um I feel like I recall seeing posts I did and also did not like from him but would need to re read and cant do that rn so null at best
Actually I think calling huohuo "meh" is being kind of generous lol I definitely dont tr them and specifically recall posts I did not like
But uwu hyper posting players be like:
Like with huohuo I'm willing to give some leeway that *maybe* some of it is just type clash but idk lol. Just remember reading some of their posts and saying "ew" more than once which is much more than anybody else, so
-vote Huo Huo and Mr Tail
K I'm workscha rear of the day and I've already been a naughty employee to catch up, I'll try to pop in every now and then but doubt I'll be here for eod
Those posts are all in a streak
This is a bad (wrong and not terribly productive) post, but I feel like it's coming from town acting "thug life style", so to speak. I am annoyed, but kinda want to give DM a small townread.
Deus ex machina read, especially on Cape (your read on me also kinda is, but you said I wasn't mean enough or something lol); if anything, he was tonally towny imo but that's pretty much just gut - and I'm not sure how you could really accuse him of literally anything whatsoever at that point in the game
This progression is super loose and unconvincing lol (why in the world would the guy who called Helz/Cape a team, whoever that is, be scum for being wrong?). That said, it's so unconvincing I don't think it's a scumpainting attempt XD. It looks like a genuine attempt to read people, just a kinda crappy one
see the "thug life style" posting I referred to earlier
Summary: DM is probably town but also annoying xD
W...what? I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS
- Helz is the bride, i.e. confirmed town, not me
- Assuming "aurn aurm auxx" is Auwt, what explains your "meh"?
- Explain townread on Lily, because I don't see it, and honestly don't see how anyone could townread her (may have some catchup to do, but still, this take requires explanations)
- Kinda good point on Baker, actually, he's been laying low and I didn't notice him, he's not entirely gone nor is he useful
I'm aware that you're busy so I don't expect an instant reply, but I do expect a reply eventually @bwcPorscha
Oh no luka I loved scumbot
How could I forget scumbot
Love scumbot
can we not vote huohuo? it is their first game here, lets be nice
Lol remember how I said I was mixing up posts from you and helz
Yikers. Soz
My bad helz is cleared and you're just a squishy guy. Um. Idk I dont have. Like. Idk. Idk what to do with you yet. Hand wave
Idk lily just like showed initiative and gave some push back in her posts and said some stuff I find believable
Okay so those posts from Lilypetal just seem so... off
Ehhh, maybe. I'm not convinced and don't particularly like the tone of this either (and yes, I'm aware this is not something you can really argue against, but that's just how it is, sorry)
That's Mizery for you, definetly not out of their meta here
This (and to some extent, the post before, but especially this one) feels like scum trying to find a reason to hate on someone, trying to replicate a reasoned scumread on people to look useful.
I don't think town would seriously comment that way on "make up some thoughts" unless they were previously tunnelled at the target player. It reads like "Hey, this is something that could look weird, I should point it out, it would give me a reason to scumread someone", and this just resonates with a scum mindset.
I was gonna comment on the other lines but actually realized it was the same feeling and analysis throughout the entire post, so just ^ the same thing to various extents for the entire attack on Cape lol
-vote Lilypetal
(My vote was already on her, but this is a more serious vote and I wish to renew it, be it just for the sake of vote history)
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Considering this, I reaaalllyyyyy want to hear reasons from those who said they townread Lily (such as Porscha, not sure if anyone else said it).
this is influenced by my meta with her but lily is a strong town and i wouldn't worry about them until later
DM is also towny according to meta and no need to sus them today
luka didn't ping me so far
porscha is fine on her own(mostly) but cape's treatment of porscha and oliverz has been pinging me
(This answer is directed at MM, but can also be used as a follow-up to the discussion about Bride we've had with Helz.)
The part about the oppositness of our roles is mostly to see if the box is gonna checked once again, nothing says you are scum, it just a trend I've observed from the past games up until now.
By saying "If I'm not chosen..." what I meant was, I would totally accept a proposal D1.
Once again I don't see how you can feel such demands to be scummy, considering how strong this role is D1, Helz anyway already drew a mark on his back by revealing, and the Mafia are aware of who the other Mafia are, thus having Helz claim "My target is clean" will give almost literally nothing worth of info (apart that one may have been granted Helz's trust) to the scums while allowing a strong advantage throughout the game.
Of course there is this downside that one death would cause the other one, but what I meant was I'm ready to take the risk, something that a scum would not.
I reiterate, I would gladly accept it, and I believe that not doing it, just like Martin did (on behalf of Helz' direct demand to refuse), was probably not the correct play here.
And also, in what world would a scum even ask the Bride to do so? I personally would not do it as a scum, because losing 1 town for a scum is not really worthy, ya see.
Voting the uwu spam slot into oblivion on D1 seems like a good way to have very little information because it's not the kind of slot that will create very interesting or analysable interactions imo, so I'm not against the concept, even though I don't particularly townread them
That said, what are you doing? You basically just exist afaik
Lol no problem
As for Lily... I mean, no, she did not show initiative AT ALL tbh lol, she mostly reacted to my post and then proceeded to try to push someone, seemingly to appear active/useful, and it felt artificial (see my last post; tbh there's a lot of gut in this read but still). Not sure where you're seeing the initiative
Hm, saying you would be willing to accept the proposal and kinda inviting the bride to propose to you is indeed pretty towny in a vacuum, actually.
Also, I understand your post better now, but what you wrote absolutely didn't mean you would accept a proposal on D1, it implied Helz could do it tomorrow and you'd accept, which would've been weird because you weren't being suspected, like, at all, so there would be no reason to propose to you (since proposing basically = cop check).
As for the part about myself, /shrug, I'm confused and you seem to also be, since you're basically saying "I'm waiting to see if I read you that way or the other" lol
LMFAO like... kind of I guess, I dont think I got tr'd much for it though, I did get voted a few times I saw though so idk. I dont think huohuo needs white knight either? Unless my vote made any real wagon, I just dont actively recall that. And they clearly arent a new FM player so like. They can probably handle their situation themselves regardless
ladies and gentlemen , we got em
-vote bakermir
catch up for yall:
Bakermir scumreads cape
bakermir scumreads me, Oliwaz144 because I " scumread " cape
bakermir votes me.
this all happened in one post!!!!
i point it out
he claims he never scumread cape
WOLF CATCHED IN PERSON AT PLACE OF CRIME
he forgot what reads he fabricated, forgot the playbook
Praise the Lord!
I sincerely disagree on this. I think Helz will be stuck in a loophole of nobody wanting to accept it.
I think wolves first goal is to get Helz to connect to another townie instead of them for a double kill.
In fact, I can only see pack wolves accepting this proposal if they are pushed into it and in the end get a potential 1f1 if something goes wrong.
My prayers are for Helz, I hope there will be a protective alive tonight to save our IC.