I'm waiting for a response from MM because he said nothing about lily when lily came back kid
Also enlighten me why is my voting "the path of less resistance"?
The guys voting poor Huohuo is saying i'm voting the path of less resistance?!?!?
Laughanle completely laughable
-Mr Tail
I think Lillys early game when she wasn't posting and porsha posting made them pretty easy and safe vote, As soon as lily starting posting you hightailed it out of there and despite calling Cape (and maybe MM scum) you voted porcha.
Also not loving the reaction to my vote on you.
Are you saying that I'm a hypocrite or what did you mean?
I don't care about your vote, you can do you, i'll do me
-Mr Tail
And me is waiting to see what comes from Bwc and MM next
-Mr Tail
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Respectfully, I hate this take with a burning passion.
As much as historically you two have been on different teams it seems like a very low hanging scum reason to throw out there almost like a hail merry? Thought you're probably trying to bait for reactions like mine so I guess it worked lol
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
honestly there's not many posts really that deserve a proper response here tbh. Also could definitely see a fabricator making life incredibly annoying for us if one exists just off of principle.
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
clear town: helz baker
towny: dm lily varcron scumbot
null/leans: auwt proscha mr.tail luka mm martin huohuo
wolfy: oliverz144 cape90 mizery
-vote oliverz144
K I made it to page 2 and dont have time for more, be back sometime tomorrow
Kinda got screwed last minute on my personal time I had planned
While lily's response to me may have been uninspiring, most people's were uninspiring. So to use the idea that her response was both unfunny (how dare she) and uninspiring to vote is like. Lol.
Just say you didnt like that she hasnt posted anything but those posts. Because that's where the real scum lean should come from, I think.
So. Didnt love lily's presence or MM read on lily
From Luka's interaction with Martin about how I should use my role I am very confident they are not teamed. Very low chance of that interaction did not feel like a puppet show. I felt like a few points are worth talking about though.
For context I do felt they truly believed I could reveal their role and they encouraged it. Its also of note that the take they had on valuing having 2 confirmed townies with the night WIFOM over the risk of a double kill feels to me unlikely to come from an evil player. I would expect an evil player to be more conscious about both encouraging a situation where they can double kill as well as pushing night actions in such a way. Then there was a lack of understanding of how exactly the confirmation worked. I would expect an evil player to both have a drive to look into exactly what I can do after my public reveal (which would leave less room for such a misunderstanding) or if teamed for it to be mentioned in a team chat and talked about. Then there was a comment about me using it to sort a wagon. While I disagree with the thought that it would be good to tie my life to someone who is about to die I would again expect a wolf to not speak so freely. I 'think' the hosts did intend for this role to be used as semi investigative and I very much did understand its potential but I find myself questioning if a wolf would voice such a view to push for a potential double kill. This puts them between being a non-evil neutral or a town player for me.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Thanks, but I don't think that question in itself is you scum hunting outside of maybe gut reads. Some people are going to take what you are up to as AI but I will just say I am less confident. If you are up to what I think you are its clever.
Do you normally start off games with such a question?
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Small town lean on Martin for his side of the interaction with Luka. Im not expanding on my reasoning for that right now.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
So just a bit on Neutrals for this game.
There is potential that there is as many of them as there are Mafia. Given there are 9 Mafia roles and only 7 Neutral roles with 3 having potential to align with town I would consider it more probable that a neutral role exists than a Mafia role. This also translates to a need for us to not over depend on hunting through alignment tells.
I would also like to convey to any Ghost, Monk, or Wild Card that I could Marry you essentially joining you to the town and that I am not opposed to having such a conversation moving forward if you see value in throwing your lot in with us. The risk always comes with a neutral trusting the town and a town trusting a neutral but a bit of mutually assured destruction solves such trust issues.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
1. I was being facetious on the whole "I am gonna make up some thoughts" thing. I thought about witholding the thoughts til later because they just were whatever, who cares.
2. I mentioned the claim because it was a thought I had since I took note of this Helz post
Which felt like there was something fishy going on with Helz because obviously if this were in fact true, they would probs just privately contact host i would think.
Helz' role is now publicly confirmed to be a thing though meaning he's just town because there is no mafia equivalent acc to first post.
I knew it "didn't matter" but I really wouldn't have a lot of thoughts about the game if I didn't include it
3. I townread Miz off of them seeing what I saw in MM and also
This post specifically being sad nobody is around, which is rand>v from my experience.
Mizery is an alt of an account you would know, I know from turbos that fluffposting is pretty NAI for Mizery and I will leave it there for you to interpret.
4. Dark Magician keeps on insisting that Porscha's inquiry totally means something and that she can read players off of that when I thought...
When Porscha said this it was partially a joke
But I suppose not?
Also technically refusing to answer a prompt is technically a response to the prompt. I just wonder what inspiring answer Porscha was looking for? Like what was the expectation?
-I found ur response to Porscha's follow up to her question towny, specifically when u put
in small text"yes, you" is not a valid answer
-I felt like ur lilypetal push was towny despite me not being on board with the reasoning since I know lily is a good player, but the push made sense, at least for an early call to action-y type of thing.
-I found ur performativeness charming, though this is a lesser reason.
Sidenote: I do recall in your scumgame recently, the one where u had like 1 post or something, that that post just kinda spewed the person who blew me up as town. I am gonna probably take Luka as spewed from
this if ur mafia ;)
I'm not sure that denying Helz proposal was the good choice, Martin.
I understand that you would not want to potentially make 2 townies down at a time, yet I believe that having Helz back you up automatically make two auto confirmed town.
This would definitely reduce the current wide scope of possibility we have due to the amount of players being in-game.
For the record, I don't know if Helz can propose once again, but I would personally accept if they decide to do so.
Also, considering the quantity of Town role that could save players (Night Watchman, Though Guy, Soul Mate,...) and the number of TPR within the game, it's highly likely to have at least one of them able to save confirmed townies.
I'm not saying you are scum Martin, but auto-denying is what a scum would do, because Helz has the opportunity to instantly find a scum if you are one.
If I'm not chosen, I would like to ask Helz to demand Martin once again.
Should Martin refuse once again though, I would switch my vote to him.
Note that this can only be beneficial :
- Martin is scum : Confirmed Helz can tell us instantly.
- Martin is not scum : Confirmed Helz can confirm Martin instantly.
At worst (for you) you are voted off if you are scum, at best (for everyone) you are automatically confirmed if you are town or friendly neutral.
Helz - Top town for obvious mech reasons, no evil equivalent to Bride.
MartinGG99 - For a person who said they were gonna lay back until day 2, that actually ended up not exactly happening and I think his contributions have been solvy/pro-town so far. Liked the read on Luka, biased, but like his defense of me.
Marshmallow Marshall - Explained this earlier and don't have anything to add here.
Mizery - Explained at least Mizery's early game, their point about not catching that MM said lily was frozen early game and then lily unfreezing herself isn't something MM should TR lily off of is a point I kinda just don't agree with on like a level 0 type of way. (the post is #180, linking it for clarity). Other then that, nothing that makes me strengthen or weaken my light TR here.
Luka - I like his solving energy, even though it is a tad on a baseline level.
Varcron - I feel like saying that there aren't many posts worth responding to is rand>v for as """late""" in the game as post #222 is. Hating the Auwt vote on MM feels towny to me for some reason.
scumbot5679 - I see where their sus on Huohuo is coming from in that Porscha is easy to point fingers at around this moment. I think I need a bit more before I really decide if this is town or not though but I am almost leaning that way. IDK just isn't enough there for me yet.
Dark Magician - The more Dark Magician doubles down on the whole Porscha inquiry thing, the more I felt better about it, oddly enough. I find Dark Magician to be particularly "jumpy" (like kinda posting like "AH HA" things without thinking too hard about it) which idk how to feel, my gut scumreads it but also knows that it could be a personality thing.
Huo Huo and Mr Tail - Have picked up this isn't a hydra, but like a partial roleplay type of thing. I am kinda drawing a blank when I read their content. Their post supporting the lily push felt not great to me, same with their subsequent changing of their mind on lily. Been prodding people which is good to see I suppose.
Auwt - Early push on MM was... whatever. I will say the problem with Martin deciding to take the bride's offer is that he would only be confirmed for a day (assuming he is indeed town) before mafia likely NKs one of Martin/Bride, and for town PRs, I see 3 possible town healing power roles I believe, but there could only be one and if so, how would they know who to protect? (unless night watchmen, but to protect both bride and whoever bride loves, that will be 2 out of the 3 uses for that role, which isn't super great IMO and it also is a gamble whether the role is here or not here, and soul mate would create a whole nasty chain of events if solo). (Sidenote: I am aware this has nothing to do with a read on Auwt but it's more a response to their recent content).
oliverz144 - The pairing of me and helz off an arbitrary thing is classic oliverz i think so idk how to read into that in terms of alignment for him. Other then that I have nothing to add.
Porscha - Don't have a lot to say, pretty fluffy, also scumleans lily though
Lilypetal - I don't see why anyone should TR this though. Like I feel like their micro posts feel off, like idk how to describe it, like when lilypetal questioned why a Mizery post was phrased towny, also nobody said anything about that. I know Mizery last game on here suspected me when I was town pretty hard so I died really really early so I can see their paranoia. #181 feels off in like a shruggy type of way. Only thing is their Luka read seemed kinda towny I guess.
bakermir - Their posts feel pretty devoid of substance/underwhelming despite being game related.
-vote bakermir
Obligatory boring vote for now
Why did Cape give Mizery the following read?:
This post specifically being sad nobody is around, which is rand>v from my experience.
Lol.