S-FM 353: Death Nominations

[bakermir]

Baker, please explain yourself.

I'm struggling to see how any of this is real from you.

I am actually in a hurry and juggling this with other stuff I am doing so I got carried away with the voting rules. I am used to votes being locked and it skipped my brain

[Wiml]

Which is absurd and I absolutely want to hear his explanation for even if the hammer logic was faulty.

[Wiml]

I am actually in a hurry and juggling this with other stuff I am doing so I got carried away with the voting rules. I am used to votes being locked and it skipped my brain

Less the voting rules, I want to hear why you thought that the wolf team would be throwing.

[MartinGG99]

Did I forget to mention that Baker hasn't finished introducing himself yet?

Because he hasn't.

Very normal baker, although I'm shocked he didn't read my post earlier quoting him about the hammers.

[Wiml]

To such a confident degree as you were expressing ^

[bakermir]

Which is absurd and I absolutely want to hear his explanation for even if the hammer logic was faulty.

I mean it isn't anyway because it follows up my read and progress on the gamestate anyway. doesn't matter if the hammer/locked votes aren't there. tutuu hasn't done anything to clear the associative from scumbot. you vs martin is something I am willing to look into after seeing tutu chopped. I have been wanting a tutuu and scumbot chop all this time and no one is responding to my questions about why both of them are somehow dodging the chops?

I am not complaining to you, after all you voted scumbot with me but I don't get why do you stay silent and then come at me like this

[tutuu]

Martin pls dont vote me if ur town and u cant afford to come back

I am town

[Wiml]

I mean it isn't anyway because it follows up my read and progress on the gamestate anyway. doesn't matter if the hammer/locked votes aren't there. tutuu hasn't done anything to clear the associative from scumbot. you vs martin is something I am willing to look into after seeing tutu chopped. I have been wanting a tutuu and scumbot chop all this time and no one is responding to my questions about why both of them are somehow dodging the chops?

I am not complaining to you, after all you voted scumbot with me but I don't get why do you stay silent and then come at me like this

No I completely understand the logic of why you scumread those people in the first place.

Why would you be so confident that you would believe that the only possible worlds would need a wolf to be gamethrowing instead of reconsidering anything first?

[tutuu]

I mean it isn't anyway because it follows up my read and progress on the gamestate anyway. doesn't matter if the hammer/locked votes aren't there. tutuu hasn't done anything to clear the associative from scumbot. you vs martin is something I am willing to look into after seeing tutu chopped. I have been wanting a tutuu and scumbot chop all this time and no one is responding to my questions about why both of them are somehow dodging the chops?

I am not complaining to you, after all you voted scumbot with me but I don't get why do you stay silent and then come at me like this

Baker pls.

[Wiml]

Like, atm your reads themselves don't matter Baker, I just want to hear your mindset.

[Wiml]

I'm more just on high panic mode because you

1. Asked Martin to do something that would mechanically be highly likely to lose the game on the spot if he's town (vote Tutuu after splitting the wagons).
2. Completely double down on a world that should literally be impossible from your perspective to justify it.

And I want to either shut it down immediately if you're town or catch you out on it if you're a wolf.

[bakermir]

No I completely understand the logic of why you scumread those people in the first place.

Why would you be so confident that you would believe that the only possible worlds would need a wolf to be gamethrowing instead of reconsidering anything first?

I don't think the entire team is gamethrowing unless I am misunderstanding what you mean here. I think there is a disconnect in logic here. We have been chopping people around scumbot/tutuu. I say we chop tutuu and scumbot and see where the game takes us. Are you guys willing to take that?

I will post scumbot iso soon.

[tutuu]

Im town coz ive been chaotic, some of my posts have been nonsensical, i dug myself in a hole, my emotions have been pure at least imo

Like ive no idea what id do as wolf its been so long. But im a lot calmer and methodical as wolf and i dont allow myself to fall into the poe as wolf. Im town and i just did dumb shit this game

[Wiml]

I don't think the entire team is gamethrowing unless I am misunderstanding what you mean here. I think there is a disconnect in logic here. We have been chopping people around scumbot/tutuu. I say we chop tutuu and scumbot and see where the game takes us. Are you guys willing to take that?

I will post scumbot iso soon.

I'm not willing to vote Tutuu today (and mechanically speaking, trying to split votes onto another wagon is going to cause a lot of issues after we already agreed between the other two wagons) but I agree with always chopping scumbot assuming we make it to the F5.

[tutuu]

I am actually in a hurry and juggling this with other stuff I am doing so I got carried away with the voting rules. I am used to votes being locked and it skipped my brain

Wait if u thought votes were locked why did u ask martin to change his vote? U thought that he cant?

[Wiml]

I think tutuu has some extremely strong reasons to justify her being town whereas Martin and CRich don't.

[ikarusdk]

@bakermir

why is scumbot outed?

[bakermir]

I'm more just on high panic mode because you

1. Asked Martin to do something that would mechanically be highly likely to lose the game on the spot if he's town (vote Tutuu after splitting the wagons).
2. Completely double down on a world that should literally be impossible from your perspective to justify it.

And I want to either shut it down immediately if you're town or catch you out on it if you're a wolf.

1. Why do we cross votes between martin/Crich here? It should be martin/tutuu or tutuu/crich here. Why do we have to follow Martin/Crich here and act like tutuu doesn't exist in this game???
2. Read 1, step back and tell me why have you been holding on to your reads all this time? I appreciate your desire to chop scumbot with me but I don't understand why are you dodging tutuu today?

[Wiml]

But for my question on hand: how could the team be slowrolling a hammer after everyone checked in and not be throwing the game in allowing people to switch votes?

[Wiml]

1. Why do we cross votes between martin/Crich here? It should be martin/tutuu or tutuu/crich here. Why do we have to follow Martin/Crich here and act like tutuu doesn't exist in this game???
2. Read 1, step back and tell me why have you been holding on to your reads all this time? I appreciate your desire to chop scumbot with me but I don't understand why are you dodging tutuu today?

1. As a group while we were all online we decided to go with a Martin/CRich crossvote yesterday. This was preference but also something we decided as a consensus as well.

2. I haven't held onto my reads, I expressed my desire why I wouldn't want to chop tutuu today last night.

[bakermir]

Wait if u thought votes were locked why did u ask martin to change his vote? U thought that he cant?

i didn't think they were locked. I thought there were hammers. I mentioned the locked votes on the side as in a standard that I am used to lately.

i like that you keep ignoring what has been posted yesterday and my question about why you and scumbot dodge each other and dodge chops entire game

[Wiml]

I only said I was holding onto my reads between Martin and CRich until others (namely, Tutuu) voted.

[Wiml]

Baker, please read what's been discussed before you try to influence who's voting where like this.

[bakermir]

@bakermir

why is scumbot outed?

@ikarusdk

1. I have played a game with them recently and they are polarized.
2. This is obvious in their progression and reads so far.
3. Their treatment of tutuu is obviously teamed.
4. Ask yourself how does tutuu/scumbot keep escaping the chopping board since D1 early wagons? Martin might saved them yesterday and Vittae potentially saved them on D1.
5. If you consider yourself town, please read above wagonomics and wait for me to finish ISO scumbot.

[tutuu]

i didn't think they were locked. I thought there were hammers. I mentioned the locked votes on the side as in a standard that I am used to lately.

i like that you keep ignoring what has been posted yesterday and my question about why you and scumbot dodge each other and dodge chops entire game

What have i ignored lol? Also im literally ignoring my teacher to try to salvage the game out of guilt for the lol misread. Fortive me if my atrention a bit split

Didmt i post on the last page thwt im suspectible to falling for ate and i always townread it?

As for dodging chop - im just town man im being honest and postong whats on my mind. Townies townread me and scum are tming me. Why r u hating on me for doing my job properly?

[tutuu]

Pls stay calm and let me return home and i can read isos and make Good Posts

Like the game isnt ending right this second. I cant fully focus on game rn

[bakermir]

Sorry for the quick posts, I am unable to sit down and write out my thoughts well. I will get to do it soon

[Wiml]

A Martin/Tutuu crossvote always ends with Martin flipping anyway because Tutuu has to self pres vote onto him in that circumstance.

[Wiml]

A Martin/Tutuu crossvote always ends with Martin flipping anyway because Tutuu has to self pres vote onto him in that circumstance.

@bakermir

[Wiml]

So we always want to leave the wagons between him and CRich to at least allow another option that we can decide between later.

[Wiml]

And this all assumes that CRich even returns to the thread which is... not necessarily going to happen anyway?

[Wiml]

Hopefully that at least explains the mechanics behind why we can't do what you're suggesting Baker.

[tutuu]

Martin richard crossvote is good because i know at least one of them is wolf mechanically

[CRichardForumLies]

If there's a reason why Martin can be town, it's because our PoE as a whole has been massively wrong at some point and there have been miscleared mafia.
Do we have time to get Martin/tutuu to cross vote instead?

[CRichardForumLies]

But for my question on hand: how could the team be slowrolling a hammer after everyone checked in and not be throwing the game in allowing people to switch votes?

Because we don't have locked votes. If we had locked votes with Martin and I as town/town this game would be over already.

[Wiml]

Oh, CRich is here at least.

[Wiml]

Because we don't have locked votes. If we had locked votes with Martin and I as town/town this game would be over already.

Baker thought that there was a hammer though.

[bakermir]

A Martin/Tutuu crossvote always ends with Martin flipping anyway because Tutuu has to self pres vote onto him in that circumstance.

This is just avoiding tutuu chop again.

I thought you would be in favor of this. I am still unsure why did you support Martin x CRichard all along. I did multiple reeavals and decided tutuu should never escape the chop today and either martin or Crichard should cross votes with them.

crich vs martin was quite underwhelming too, as martin pointed out the same thing. Maybe time for everyone to rethink this tie?

I mean, I am trying and if no one is going to do a thing about it then so be it.

[Wiml]

Hence why I'm asking him this.

[Wiml]

This is just avoiding tutuu chop again.

I thought you would be in favor of this. I am still unsure why did you support Martin x CRichard all along. I did multiple reeavals and decided tutuu should never escape the chop today and either martin or Crichard should cross votes with them.

crich vs martin was quite underwhelming too, as martin pointed out the same thing. Maybe time for everyone to rethink this tie?

I mean, I am trying and if no one is going to do a thing about it then so be it.

Please read my posts on tutuu.

[CRichardForumLies]

I should ask everyone how confident they are that tutuu is town. As there's a non-zero chance that I've miscleared them the entire time, and we're about to lose with Martin and I being in a town/town cross vote.

[MartinGG99]

I've come to the conclusion that my vote stays on Richard for pragmatic reasons. It's best for me to hope that Richard is mafia rather than hope Tutuu is mafia.

I do think Scumbot is mafia though. Ikarus is someone I would look at again if I had more time because he didn't really hesitate in voting between me and Richard. Seemed odd for someone who (I think) invests themselves a lot into the game. But that could just be relatively nothing. Idk. Felt worth looking into a bit at least.

To whoever the wolf is between Richard and Tutuu, well played. While I was looking at parts of Richard's ISO they seemed non-w/w with Tutuu so I think its just one wolf between them.



However, I will note that there will be 2 times between classes I can pop in here with my phone before EoD to change my vote if changing my vote to tutuu helps resolve the issue that vittae spoke of (wherein not completely consolidating votes in a f5/f7 gives wolves more chances to win). Outside of that, no matter how convincing the argument, I'm not changing my vote for today.

[bakermir]

If there's a reason why Martin can be town, it's because our PoE as a whole has been massively wrong at some point and there have been miscleared mafia.
Do we have time to get Martin/tutuu to cross vote instead?

With you and/or @MartinGG99 voting tutuu, we can make it a reality. It's not too late

[Wiml]

That goes for anyone advocating for a vote on tutuu: please read what I've said about her and engage with me on it???

[CRichardForumLies]

This is just avoiding tutuu chop again.

I thought you would be in favor of this. I am still unsure why did you support Martin x CRichard all along. I did multiple reeavals and decided tutuu should never escape the chop today and either martin or Crichard should cross votes with them.

crich vs martin was quite underwhelming too, as martin pointed out the same thing. Maybe time for everyone to rethink this tie?

I mean, I am trying and if no one is going to do a thing about it then so be it.

I'm here and I'm reconsidering tutuu as one of my town leans, mainly because the PoE has been obviously wrong and that's definitely the case from my perspective with all D2 nominees as town.

[MartinGG99]

Wish I could've spent more time on this day. It got really fun here as of late.

Cya.

[Wiml]

That goes for anyone advocating for a vote on tutuu: please read what I've said about her and engage with me on it???

^^^

[bakermir]

Martin richard crossvote is good because i know at least one of them is wolf mechanically

mechanically?

[MartinGG99]

(make sure to read my recent post about what I'm doing in full)

[CRichardForumLies]

I've come to the conclusion that my vote stays on Richard for pragmatic reasons. It's best for me to hope that Richard is mafia rather than hope Tutuu is mafia.

I do think Scumbot is mafia though. Ikarus is someone I would look at again if I had more time because he didn't really hesitate in voting between me and Richard. Seemed odd for someone who (I think) invests themselves a lot into the game. But that could just be relatively nothing. Idk. Felt worth looking into a bit at least.

To whoever the wolf is between Richard and Tutuu, well played. While I was looking at parts of Richard's ISO they seemed non-w/w with Tutuu so I think its just one wolf between them.



However, I will note that there will be 2 times between classes I can pop in here with my phone before EoD to change my vote if changing my vote to tutuu helps resolve the issue that vittae spoke of (wherein not completely consolidating votes in a f5/f7 gives wolves more chances to win). Outside of that, no matter how convincing the argument, I'm not changing my vote for today.

You might want to reconsider this, as there's a chance you and I are both town and we'll lose without switching to tutuu.