S-FM 353: Death Nominations

[bakermir]

-vote scumbot5679

I can hammer lol if necessary. I need time and I need answers from people who TR scumbot and SR lol

[bakermir]

or SR tutuu while TRing scumbot

[bakermir]

@Vittae where is your mind at? I find it strange, even scumbot mentioned voting lol today and you promised content

[Wiml]

I argue the contrary: You would self pres if you're a villager, since you can still see yourself being voted by wolves by some godforsaken reason.
You don't self pres if you're not there or unaware of what's going on, or you have a layer of security (wolves).

Before you say hipocrisy, in Richard's case, it's self pressing on an extremely niche scenario that is incredibly difficult to coordinate and requires a scumread on both me and baker, AFTER declaring you aren't particularily worried about death as well.

I get what you're saying but I disagree.

I think the reasons she gave for the lack of self pres at the time (strongly believing in the deadline extension because the lack of activity was both draining her desire to play and making the game seem unwinnable) are fine and make sense from her perspective as a villager who valued the time extension over mitigating the chance of her flipping.

Whereas for tutuu as a wolf I don't think she'd be in a position to be secure in her survival against inactive slots who hadn't outed their reads and who could easily pop on and self pres onto her unless those slots were exactly her wolf partners (which obviously isn't the case).

[lol]

Well seems like tutuu is immortal so i pray you're right on them being town

[Wiml]

@Vittae where is your mind at? I find it strange, even scumbot mentioned voting lol today and you promised content

What do you want me to talk about outside of what's already been said?

My head's at scumbot > lol > tutuu from wolfy to towny but I'd like to finish ISOing tutuu and at least skim the ISOs of the other two quickly.

[lol]

Well seems like tutuu is immortal so i pray you're right on them being town

Just to prove my credibility just lost a turbo game where i had one of the wolves nailed down after being afk an entire ingame day but proceeded to taunt him in f3 continiuously until i got voted instead. My powers are obscene

[Wiml]

-vote scumbot5679

[Wiml]

Finishing my tutuu ISO before EoD was a lie.

[lol]

That's fair enough I need a certain mood to actually read ISO's and actually pay attention properly

I don't think i'm gonna vote scumbot It could give me life and there's like 30% chance hes mafia from my POV but also if he's town then i'm dead for sure and i can't even dictate where the game goes post mortem and that's not fun the only reason to do it would be to brag that i got away with death twice by just talking shit

[Wiml]

I'm not as confident on scumbot being a hit any more but I think there's still a fair bit more there leaning towards him being a wolf than there is for anyone else.

[lol]

Fair enough if village loses this one comes down to we couldn't find the villagers well at all
Don't think there was a good chance to begin with when atleast 3 had a bad start to begin with and first impressions are very important

[bakermir]

I don't mind losing to wolf tutuu. I am playing for fun anyway.


I would be disappointed if I lost to scumbot though and I hate the fact that tutuu refused to reeval scumbot when I asked

[scumbot5679]

bake has your scumread on me progressed beyond "omh im being insulted"?

[scumbot5679]

but we aren't going to vote 100% town over lol sorry thats just dumb

-vote lol

[bakermir]

@lol I can vote you if you promise nominating one from vittae/ikarus and one from tutuu/martin

I still don't know why do you want to nominate CRichard

[bakermir]

bake has your scumread on me progressed beyond "omh im being insulted"?

Can you tell me why are you town and who do you think are mafia?

[Wiml]

@lol I can vote you if you promise nominating one from vittae/ikarus and one from tutuu/martin

I still don't know why do you want to nominate CRichard

Why that specific combination? Why not scumbot when you've just been confidently calling him a wolf?

[bakermir]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-Fooling-Party

scumbots recent town game

[bakermir]

Why that specific combination? Why not scumbot when you've just been confidently calling him a wolf?

Obviously I would want to see scumbot there instead of CRichard

[scumbot5679]

ok so no. lol

I'm town for the same reason that anyone is ever town in a game of mafia-its the pm/dm I received. I don't think I've been any different than my other games so I'm not sure why you or anyone suspects me.

scum is vit/martin and 1 of lol/richard/ika/bake

[scumbot5679]

also scum is currently voting me rn so...

[bakermir]

also scum is currently voting me rn so...

lol (4):
tutuu, CRichardForumLies, MartinGG99, scumbot5679

tutuu (2):
lol, ikarusdk

scumbot5679 (2):
bakermir, Vittae


let's assume "scum" are podracing here to vote you. why do you vote lol with your third scum martin?

[bakermir]

why do I even bother

I hope lol flips mafia, so I don't have to care about their nominations

[scumbot5679]

Well, i have to vote somewhere right? I'm not voting myself and I think tutu is town. its very possible that this was just all town and scum is vit/martin/richard or ika

[bakermir]

Well, i have to vote somewhere right? I'm not voting myself and I think tutu is town. its very possible that this was just all town and scum is vit/martin/richard or ika

p#372

tutu your town but you need to stop attacking other town (ika)

[bakermir]

Why is ika mafia now and tutuu still town?

[scumbot5679]

kinda a dumb q, sorry not sorry. I mean in a normal game I vote vita or Martin but in this setup where I'm given a choice between someone I town read and someone that I didn't really think is scum... it's just a rotten position. But there's always the slim chance that I'm wrong on lol

[bakermir]

I have your entire ISO open in tabs. You have no real progress on anyone since D1 when you were almost getting chopped.

I really really hope you didn't rand town and played like this after our previous game.

[scumbot5679]

math?

I mean, I pushed both MM and varacon as scum but both were town. There's 3 scum in this setup. If we assume that im right on martin/vita then that means the last scum HAS to be in ika/lol/richard. seems like common sense to me

if you want to make the argument that tutu is where im wrong at then fine but from my POV suggesting that the last scum has to be in the remaining players is just normal?

[scumbot5679]

lets assume that martin/vita are both scum. Who is the third scum and why?

[scumbot5679]

and why a town rock that knows that there's 3 scum should not realize that he's wrong and think the last scum has to be in ika/lol/bake/richard?

[bakermir]

math?

I mean, I pushed both MM and varacon as scum but both were town. There's 3 scum in this setup. If we assume that im right on martin/vita then that means the last scum HAS to be in ika/lol/richard. seems like common sense to me

if you want to make the argument that tutu is where im wrong at then fine but from my POV suggesting that the last scum has to be in the remaining players is just normal?

It isn't normal because you just dropped ika from your townreads into the PoE with no reason.

what do you mean math? do you just chop people randomly all of a sudden??? you had more concerns as town last game, more than just math.

You called tutuu ika baker town and you were confident and provided some surface level reasoning. You thought I am polarized from my scum game and tutuu x ika was tvt violence in your eyes. People saw these reads town, I didn't but I still respected others reads.

You called Varcron scum because of their lack of input and sheeped Vittae's initial scumread on them in a gamestate where you were the leading wagon. People ended up voting MM because tutuu/crich were unhappy about being cw to your wagon.

All I can see is you wanting to survive since D1 instead of solving the game. Tell me how you didn't pocket tutuu etc or appealed to Vittae somehow?

It is a shame if you are not chopped today or not nominated this game.

[Wiml]

I'm here.

[Wiml]

Not much more that I feel like I need to say before seeing the flip.

[bakermir]

yeah two minutes left

i hope lol flips mafia or at least reconsiders their nominations. this is a team game.

stop the salt and ego

[Wiml]

Hopefully this just flips w and the game becomes a lot easier to solve.

[bakermir]

i am on 90% scumbot 70% lol and 50% tutuu

[scumbot5679]

ok follow me bake.

there are 3 scum in this game

lets assume martin/vita are 2 of them

this means that the last 1 has to be in lol/bake/ika/richard

this seems so simple and im not sure why you aren't getting it? ubless you do get it and then are just pretending that you don't.

[Wiml]

i am on 90% scumbot 70% lol and 50% tutuu

Is that your top 3 wolfreads?

[powerofdeath]

lol (4):
tutuu, CRichardForumLies, MartinGG99, scumbot5679

tutuu (2):
lol, ikarusdk

scumbot5679 (2):
bakermir, Vittae

[powerofdeath]

lol was lynched. His role is Town.

You have 24 hours to nominate three players that will be up for lynching tomorrow. Day 4 will begin immediately as soon as you lock in your nomination. It could start in 5 min or 24 hours. I will ping everyone on Discord when Day 4 begins.

In an event that all 3 nominations are town, I will just immediately end the game with Mafia victory.

[powerofdeath]

Day 4 has begun!

lol nominated:


tutuu; CRichardForumLies; MartinGG99


Day 4 end on Wednesday, 5:10 PM EST. Click here for reference to when Day 3 end.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to DMs me on Discord or via the website.

Player List:
1. MartinGG99
2. Marshmallow Marshall - Lynched Day 1
3. Varcron - Lynched Day 2
4. ikarusdk
5. tutuu
6. scumbot5679
7. Vittae
8. bakermir
9. lol - Lynched Day 3
10. CRichardForumLies The Scarlet Letters (Nancy/Italiano Hydra)

White = Alive, Color = Dead with alignment reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

[bakermir]

Is that your top 3 wolfreads?

my confidence level in reading them


doesn't matter anymore

[ikarusdk]

It's tutu Richard and baker

[Wiml]

Ok, before ANYTHING else we need to discuss voting and consolidating into two wagons.

Half the game isn't even showing up after the first 12 hours of the phase so if people have their votes on all three wagons and then don't show up to change them before the phase ends then this game becomes mechanically unwinnable unless the wagons are exactly w/w/w as the wolf team can just stack votes and win.

[ikarusdk]

Seriously, baker has been disrupting the EoD votes every single time(minus day1), ensuring the votes to cause a definite mislynch on towns in situations where tutuu and Richard both almost went over.

[Wiml]

It's tutu Richard and baker

Why baker?

[scumbot5679]

lets lynch scum already

-vote martin

[Wiml]

Nvm you answered